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Anti-loli cringe and Bad News General Anonymous 11/29/2023 (Wed) 02:37:46 No. 6172
This thread isn't much of an image dump thread as it is one to keep tabs about happenings in the loli art world, particularly bad news such as TOS changes and legal cases which make our fine art appreciation hobby a little bit harder.
>>9446 And also... >>9425
>>9444 >I mean, it is retarded. For one, 16 is the AoC in Japan If you want to bring up AoC, you can't consent to porno in Japan until you're 18. Not that that's a real argument for banning fictional nipples. >>9446 Use context clues, retard.
>>9446 replace "read:" with "that meaning" or "aka" and maybe it'll help >"global standards" (read: western neoliberal faggotry) <"global standards" (that being western neoliberal faggotry) You're welcome, "friend" (read: fag)
>>9502 Ha ha; now back to the previous question... Am I going to have to use a VPN and/or the Wayback Machine in the future? Because...
>>9444 >Hate to say it, but I definitely think it has to do with anime going global and thus getting chopped down for "global standards" It was this and has been this for years now, but the problem is worse and more multi-faceted than just this. This is going to be long so bear with me. First, almost all anime is now made available on various streaming platforms, as you pointed out. If any of these services are on the production committee for that anime or the committee wants the anime on that platform, they can directly interfere with it. For example, if producers want bilibili to pay for streaming rights for a series, they may demand the show is made with China's draconian censorship standards in mind so the bilibili broadcast version doesn't have to be further censored. Second, self-censorship by staff themselves is also rampant. Many nowadays don't see any harm or even active good in censoring without being asked, simply to shield themselves from potential issues. Or worse because they have an agenda. I just recently saw an interview with the anime scriptwriter for the Bocchi the Rock adaptation here: https://kai-you.net/article/93374/page/2 Highlights of what she says include how "sexualization of minors in official work is a problem" and "we decided to eliminate 'noise' such as unnecessary fanservice in order to ensure the anime would be more popular" "whether or not I could show it to my own child is an important standard for me", etc. She bases all these arguments on the idea that because anime is now easily available on streams, it's accessibility demands 'zoning' for audiences as anyone could see it. Third, there's simply less money entering the industry from enthusiasts. Many otaku have stopped buying anime goods in favor of spending more money on gacha/soshage properties, vtubers, etc. The 'carry an anime on disc sales' model popular in the 2000s is essentially dead. Mostly because of streaming but it's also because the potential consumer base has changed. At the same time, there's far more money entering from both overseas and casual domestic viewers because of widespread availability. I don't need to say any more about the sensibilities of Western audiences, everyone here knows how much of a cancer such people are already. What all this together means is an "ecchi ghetto" where a small minority of works are allowed to be more extreme while everything else is heavily sanitized. Gone are the days where restrictions were lax just because of shows airing on a night-time slot. This line drawn between works for a wide audience and niche will inevitably given all internal+external factors pressing the industry result in more and more shows trying to stay 'widely appealing' and drain more money and talent from niche projects until eventually there's nothing left. I find it unlikely the anime industry will maintain any idiosyncracies that made it deeply appealing for much longer.
>>9503 Yes, but likely there will be a push within a few years to either make VPN usage illegal outside enterprise use, or mandate government backdoors. The UK is probably going to experiment with this very very soon given the age verification drama going on over there, and anything they do is just a testing ground for the rest of the world: every other government is salivating at the prospect of copycatting actions shithole countries like that are taking to deprive their citizens of civil liberties. I also think there will be pushes soon to remove 'problematic' content from archive.org and similar projects.
By the way, the Texas bill scare about loli has actually produced some kind of tangible harm already: JAST (that publisher of eroge and other VNs along with occasionally things like manga) was banned from running a booth at a San Antonio convention: https://x.com/jastusa/status/1961855148655042739 The irony is JAST doesn't even touch that much loli stuff (although they did just put out an uncensored release of Onii-chan Asa made Zutto Gyutte Shite), so clearly there's fear R-18 2D content is going to come under fire in the US in a much broader sense than just controversial subsets like loli.
>>9512 So anime is going the way of Hollywood and the rest of the western film industry where everything is produced for the lowest common denominator instead of dedicated niches (with a likely macro dose of pozz on top of it because gotta reinforce the state ideology). Great. >What all this together means is an "ecchi ghetto" where a small minority of works are allowed to be more extreme while everything else is heavily sanitized. Gone are the days where restrictions were lax just because of shows airing on a night-time slot. This line drawn between works for a wide audience and niche will inevitably given all internal+external factors pressing the industry result in more and more shows trying to stay 'widely appealing' and drain more money and talent from niche projects until eventually there's nothing left. I can attest this has already happened across the video game industry since 2018 at the latest. Ecchi is almost entirely reserved for mobile skinner box slot machines now. And the few legacy otaku-oriented developers left, their output is getting worse and worse. Like, just look at the absolute state of Compile Heart today compared to what they were in 2017. It's fucking depressing to see. I think they're very veering close to bankruptcy now. All of their recent games have performed extremely poorly. To an extent, it's deserved, they're even more gimmicky and janky than what they put out during the Vita era, on top of being completely neutered, but you can tell it's at least partly because they don't have the budget or talent that they used to before Sony came down on them. Fun, A/AA-budget level otaku projects like Senran Kagura and Gal*Gun are virtually unthinkable in today's industry. Even qureate got a lucky break with Bunny Garden getting shilled by VTubers, but look how badly their newest game is getting butchered on Switch. At least it's untouched on Steam, but even then, Steam is the reason they don't do lolis or petites any more after the Duel Princess fiasco.
>>9654 >Duel Princess fiasco
>>9655 The only qureate game that got banned from Steam, and the last one with lolis/petite girls, so clearly qureate got the memo. Also got pulled from the Switch store globally a couple weeks later under "mysterious circumstances". This was back in 2022, and Seven Pirates, an arguably even more risque game that also has lolis and flatties, released completely uncensored only a couple months later, so no one knows exactly why Nintendo pulled it. But it's clear that Duel Princess's deplatforming taught qureate a hard lesson. They ended up later releasing it on a bunch of alternative storefronts including even fucking Epic Game Store (extremely rare Timmy W), but evidently, and not surprisingly, those didn't make up for the loss of Switch/Steam sales.
https://xcancel.com/mainichiphoto/status/1974352634154029087 sanae takaichi just like shigeru ishiba before her is on record wanting fiction censored especially anime/manga/etc with sexualized under 18 characters. I believe this may finally be the end. We just got Shoujo Ramune back and now it's possible we won't get ep7 with komako.
Edited last time by xXxHeadxXx on 10/04/2025 (Sat) 15:54:40.
>>9736 >We just got Shoujo Ramune back Quality was ass though. Full length animated hentai in general is just dead. >Direct linking
>>9736 >I believe this may finally be the end There's still a very long road ahead. I also edited you link, and here's an auto-translation of the post, >The final round of voting for the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) presidential election has been held, with former Minister of Economic Security Sanae Takaichi elected as the new president.
>>9736 >sanae takaichi just like shigeru ishiba before her is on record wanting fiction censored especially anime/manga/etc with sexualized under 18 characters Cou7ld you provide a source for that?
>>9737 >Full length animated hentai in general is just dead. Dead as in 2012 dead, Adobe Flash Player dead, or dodo dead?
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/pixiv-expands-list-of-regions-affected-by-obscene-content-restrictions-australia-canada-new-zealand-and-eu-join-the-uk-and-us/ https://x.com/pixiv/status/1982697523971231999 Pixiv is extending their R-18 "obscene content" ban to the entire west (up to now it was just for the US and UK). You'll have to set your account to Japan to see anything on Pixiv now. I expect they will eventually start closing loopholes and blocking VPNs as well. Japanese entertainment going mainstream has been an absolute disaster. I doubt you'll ever be able to freely browse Japanese erotic content from the west like you could in the 00s and 10s ever again.
>>10016 >I expect they will eventually start closing loopholes and blocking VPNs as well <Blocking VPNs They don't even require a VPN I can browse loli on Pixiv right now with my IP set somewhere in the USA. You can set your country to Japan and prefecture manually in your account settings. Given the kinds of people they want to keep out and satisfy, and the kinds of laws those countries have, it's makes less sense that Canada and Autralia weren't banned from the start. New Zealand feels like an afterthought.
>>10018 >You can set your country to Japan and prefecture manually in your account settings That's what I mean by "loopholes". I expect they will eventually patch that out and make you have to use a VPN, and then doling out bans for users suspected of using them.
>>10019 They don't want to lose users, just satisfy the people attacking them. It's right there in the announcement >These terms apply to users whose "Language and location" settings on pixiv are set to any of the countries or regions listed above. >If your settings do not fall under these regions, you can continue to post and view works as usual. It's exactly as toothless as the last country ban. Just like when DLsite censored the tags and descriptions for the English site only, rather than ban the tags the content those tags describe on the EN site. It's lip service, not an actual gaijin ban. A nothingburger. If they wanted to do something, they'd ban all IPs from English speaking countries, or all IPs outside Japan, from viewing contentious content. They have no intention of closing any loopholes because they're there by design.
>>10021 Using DLSite as an example doesn't help your point because DLSite did eventually close that "loophole" and banned all contentious content from non-Japanese IPs, now requiring a VPN to Japan to view and purchase them. So if they're any example, Pixiv will eventually close their "loopholes" as well.
>>10016 I know that already.
>>10023 >and banned all contentious content from non-Japanese IPs But they're not even doing that despite what your cap says? I'm looking at a ton of contentious content from an American IP on the English site right now. I can still see all the censored tags. >Loli -> Tsurupeta >Lolibaba -> Petite baba >Incest -> Relative matter Et cetera. Shota isn't even censored because it wasn't bitched about. I'm starving here because all you got are nothingburgers.
>>10031 The lolig was name-shifted a while back to Petite (~64000 total works), not Tsurupeta (~9000 total works). Loli is a character tag as opposed to tsurupeta, a physical trait tag (it's not a sub-tag of loli either, you can have totally flat non-loli characters). The lolig https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/fsr/=/genre/207/from/work.genre is most definitely hidden from non-JP IPs and has been for around a year. Tsurupeta wasn't also affected likely because the ones making compliance demands know next to nothing about sites they're trying to regulate. Unlike >>10023 though I'm less pessimistic because DLSite is pretty obviously trying to leave as many loopholes as possible since some related tags like that are still viewable, 'banned' tags are still viewable on the English locale of the site as long as the IP is JP, 'banned' items are still viewable and downloadable even on a non-JP IP if you own them, and it's still trivial to buy points as a gaijin even using a regular credit card. It's a fact though that these measures are a chilling effect and have actively discouraged loli-releasing circles from pursuing English releases for their works, if that's something you care about. Shockingly given their past and even current actions, Steam is actually a better option for releasing a loli h-game in English at the moment, due to the 'gut the game and release an R-18 patch on the publisher website' strategy used by Kagura et al.
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>>10033 >'banned' items are still viewable and downloadable even on a non-JP IP if you own them I'm not logged into anything and I can still see tons of loli though? You're about the petite tag though. However you still search petite on the EN site and get a fraction of the results (~7200). >Steam is actually a better option for releasing a loli h-game in English at the moment, due to the 'gut the game and release an R-18 patch on the publisher website' strategy used by Kagura et al. That's only if it flies under the radar, I thought? Like Key To Home was banned on Steam even after censoring itself, going so far as to get ESRB rated, and even though it was never explicit in the first place, just because it had a loli on the cover and an English release.
>>10039 >I'm not logged into anything and I can still see tons of loli though? Tons of loli content isn't tagged or hidden on DLSite (because tags aren't officially moderated in the first place as far as I know and, again, they don't actually care about 'banning' content), and in fact since the block was implemented I've seen some cases where I suspect the circle didn't tag the work as loli on purpose to keep their English version more visible (like https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01228542.html for example). I'm not sure what you're even disputing at this point when the fact is a huge swath of content got hidden. >That's only if it flies under the radar, I thought? Like Key To Home was banned on Steam even after censoring itself, going so far as to get ESRB rated, and even though it was never explicit in the first place, just because it had a loli on the cover and an English release. You're actually much more likely to get slapped by one of their piece of shit content reviewers in a case like that. Suggestive works that shouldn't need any kind of patch have been notoriously difficult for years to get past Steam (for example it's almost 100% impossible that Oyari Ashito will get Machine Child https://www.dlsite.com/home/work/=/product_id/RJ01432103.html on Steam when it comes out in English without cleaning it heavily for a patch, even though that game is also all-ages). The level of your pics is already enough to come under fire. Meanwhile though just in the last several months you have things like https://store.steampowered.com/app/2529520/Magical_Girl_Konoha/ or https://store.steampowered.com/app/3470170/Queens_Casino/ or https://store.steampowered.com/app/3421080/Island_Life_With_Mayalala/ or https://store.steampowered.com/app/3155290/Hold_Me_Tight_All_Night_Oniichan/ or https://store.steampowered.com/app/3721950/Yordas_Quest_A_Lighthearted_Magic_Fantasy_RPG/ etc. Essentially, the anti-Japanese bias on Steam is still absolutely real but adaptations can be made and some publishers seem to be getting more or less a free pass if they play by the bizarre 'rules'.
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>>10040 >I'm not sure what you're even disputing at this point when the fact is a huge swath of content got hidden. I accidentally a couple words. I was just trying to show that even thought they've made such efforts, they are half-assed, because as you say, they're not actually trying to ban things. I was agreeing. >I've seen some cases where I suspect the circle didn't tag the work as loli on purpose to keep their English version more visible (like https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01228542.html for example >SORRY... >You cannot buy this product from the country/region you live in lol >Yorda's Quest >That Steam page >Screenshot 2025-10-29 193116.png Is that fucking art by GoldMondsel/Galaxy Ginga? I need that shit right now. >Essentially, the anti-Japanese bias on Steam is still absolutely real I think there's also still a big roulette factor with who at Valve ends up looking at a game for approval, and the fact that they're swamped with games like this and probably aren't giving them all the same scrutiny as when adult games were first trickling onto the site. Also, I have a theory that after the first dozen or so games some landwhale banned from Steam, the presumed fat bitch got "traumatized" by having to comb through such content and requested to no longer be a part of the team reviewing h-games for approval.
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>>10042 >You cannot buy this product from the country/region you live in Well shit, I'm on a JP IP almost 100% of the time so I didn't actually check, but I swear some months ago at least it wasn't hidden. It definitely doesn't have the Petite tag on it, for what it's worth. I guess the incest tag was what flagged it? Pic related >Is that fucking art by GoldMondsel/Galaxy Ginga? I need that shit right now. Yes, and in fact he's done several h-games. https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG22889.html The one which is getting the Steam release that I linked to is https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ01019612.html and was particularly good, it's a Mahoujin Guruguru parody which follows a lot of the same beats/character types/sense of humor. It also got a solid fan TL a while back, which is here: https://mega.nz/file/CFJBCIaZ#Yh3U8SViKt3n6nWQGvdyHGqL5UnUQQkI11qsRGHCWQk
>>10059 >mega Thanks a fuck ton, you just made my day.
>>10059 >>10065 Oh wait, it's just the translatoin files. Can't find the game on nyaa or fapforfun, and I have yet to set up a good anonymized way to buy things on DLsite.
>>10079 Nevermind, found it. Had to grab the JP title to search with, which meant changing my VPN so I could see it on DLsite.
>>10059 Patch doesn't work. Game loads fine without it. After applying the patch, I get >Failed to load img/pictures/std/STD_yoda_us.png The file is there in the folder when I look for it. Game is version 1.06, the only version available on nyaa. All the files in the std folder have an underscore in the filetype extenstion ".png_". Tried removing that to no effect, and it seems those files have the underscore before patching anyways.
>>10081 I've also applied the patch to copies of the game from two different torrents, one which is a compressed archive and one that's the plain folder of everything. Same results.
I think FisticuffsClub's Pixiv might have disappeared.
>>9503 If we are still here in a year's time then those Acts are obviously unenforceable. And I'm going to ignore them, whatever they were.
Does anyone know what's happened to cutefunny.art the matrix channel? I'm getting a cloudflare tunnel error. Hopefully its just temporary but its been like this for a few days now. starting to think the worst.
cutefunny is currently down. Owner said their data center's motherboard needs replacing and unfortunately could take to up to this week. They're emailing status updates frequently but for now we can only wait. Perfect timing for me since I've just discovered this matrix today.


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