Dorontabi, a well-known digital loli artist (the "rape correction" guy), just had his Twitter and Pixiv accounts closed indefinitely. This is despite following content and tagging guidelines. A Korean anti-loli activist group took responsibility for forcing either platforms' hand via mass reporting and bad-faith "whistleblowing" to authorities over the supposed hosting of illegal content. One claim cites Dorontabi's earlier works (4), which were in part referenced if not traced from U15 photo models. These radical Korean anti-loli brigades have been coordinating raids and reports on any loli artist drawing the Blue Archive girls' butts. This is a reactionary solution to the Korean government threatening to penalize companies who don't use their legal strength to cease the production of illegal lines of characters owned by these devs. So it's not moralfaggotry, it's just the gacha addicts doing dirty work on behalf of Nexon so the government doesn't take their game away.

>>6173 >So it's not moralfaggotry, it's just the gacha addicts doing dirty work on behalf of Nexon so the government doesn't take their game away. Jesus Christ.

>>6172 I wouldn't say make it a bad news general. Just a legality news general. Some places actually get better loli laws some times. I think a study in Finland found it to not be harmful. The news usually is bad though. Spaghettiland just ruled it illegal, but their court systems are messy, so it's a real coin toss.

What is sphagetti land?

>>6184 Use your thinker and reply link posts you're responding to. What land do you think spaghetti come from?

Well, there's always the collection of antis who virtue signal about how cartoons should be a crime only to end up getting caught diddling real kids. The antis seethed so hard a this post it got deleted from imgur, but luckily the archive is still up, so make your backups: https://archive.is/Ia5ZH

>>6191 The archive cuts off a little over half way. Is the original list reposted anywhere?

I hate moralfags. That is all.

>>6193 It doesn't cut. It derps out if you scroll too quickly or try to skip to the bottom. If you scroll gradually, it will end up loading all the images. It's some sort of measure archive uses to save up bandwidth but it breaks easily with such an enormous page.

also, is there no drawthread here?

Actually, what's stopping me from just opening a drawthread? Are there any artists on this board?

>>6256 There would have to be people on this board for there to be artists on this board.

[b]e621, massive Furry+kemono booru, soft-deletes all loli and shota human art[/b] Citing legality, all posts erotically involving loli or shota sized characters who aren't anthro or feral animals have been marked as deleted and can not be viewed by users. Luckily, wherever e621 is hosted, spitroasting small helpless animals is more legal than seeing a drawing of a little girl's bare chest, so furry cunnies of any shape and size are still open for viewing. If she has fur covering most of her body, she's allowed to stay; ears and a tail no longer cut it. The files for the removed posts and their associated tagging data remains hosted on the server for the sake of correcting faulty deletions, and it is stated that if the legal situation were to change, all the loli and shota would be reinstated.

Sad. Cunnychads will do nothing as soyciety threatens the purity of loli.

>>6667 >[/b] Welcome newfriend!

>>6667 Is e621 hosted in a country outside of the US or something?

>>6720 no they are based in US

>>6722 So how in the hell are they citing legality when it's not even illegal in the US? They're bullshitting one way or the other.

>>6728 What does the 'S' in U.S.A stand for? Baka.

>>6173 Translated

It should be no secret that Youtubers are antis in general, especially those from the cartoon "commentary" community. Both Meatcanyon and Saberspark have come out and said those who create lolisho content are just as bad as the real criminals. Meatcanyon is getting torn for his hypocrisy through his video on the topic. Saberspark, through his Kyle Carroza video, came out and demonized a lolisho artist who was a CSA victim and threw her traumatic life-ruining experiences at the hands of Kyle and his cronies under the bus, calling it "just internet drama", even saying that he believes a therapist's recommendation to draw lolisho content as a coping mechanism is "not the best way to deal with trauma." Not really surprising, since Saberspark defended Black_Gryphon on Twitter, the one who married the voice of Sweetie Belle who supposedly groomed her before she was of age. Why do I get the feeling SS is hiding some skeletons in his closet?

>>7014 Given how consistently it happens with them, it's safe to assume by default that all antis are hiding skeletons.

>>7015 Also doesn't help that Saberspark also defended Rebecca Sugar's Ed Edd and Eddy porn stash, probably because he loves Steven Universe to death (gee, I wonder why?). So much so that he's willing to set this double standard just for her. Which is also typical of anti behaviour

>>7019 My favorite is when antis use that dumb "meme" with DBZ characters with the words, "The age of consent is 18". Not only refering to drawings of course, but more ironically not realising that Dragon Ball has had plenty of its own lolisho content.

>>6173 >So it's not moralfaggotry, it's just the gacha addicts doing dirty work on behalf of Nexon so the government doesn't take their game away. Sounds like it's indirect moralfaggotry stemming from the government.

>>6778 Socialist. No freedom of speech allowed. Only paying taxes to feed niggers.

>antis PEDOS GET OUT! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE! YOU AREN'T WANTED, OR WELCOME, THIS ISN'T A GOOD PLACE FOR YOU TO BE, YOU ARE IN DANGER.

>>7083 I'm suspicious of those using the word too, but I've seen on social media that lolicons there tend to use the term to just mean anti-loli, not anti-pedo. A lot of groups use the term "antis" to mean different things depending on what they like, not just pedoniggers. Though I definitely feel like there's usually a leftist bias among people that use the term regardless of the group they're from. The first post to use the term "antis" in this thread instead of the full "anti-loli" or "anti-lolicon" used it in reference to an archive of anti-loli retards being caught as hypocrites and pedos.

>>7083 Talmudic Mapwork save me from this ironig...

>>7084 While it can apply to different things. I both use and see it used the vast majority of the time when refering to anything anti art (usually lolicon). If anything though, I see it used against leftists far more than I've seen it used by them... actually I don't think I've ever seen a leftist use the term.

>>7101 I've mainly seen it from those talking about anti-trans, seconded by anti-weeb, then anti-pedo, then nothing else particularly stands out. The point remains that its meaning is highly contextual.

>>7106 Yeah, must just be what parts of the internet people have been on then. I've pretty much only seen anti used in terms of art. Again, usually lolicon, but also just any sort of "this correlates to x harmful thing in reality" bs.

Was in random youtube video where random comment make comparison of actor shown get compared as being better discord mod. Scroll down to comment of someone saying not having underage wife. So I go to this profile and find Lucky Star video. Hypocrisy I swear. I would post it to r/hypocrisy if I wasn’t banned there

>>7298 >Using reddit >Ever Well, this is the cringe thread, so I guess it's expected. Are you ESL, or is it your zoomer nature to type a barely coherent grammatical mess?

>>7300 ESL is the correct answer.

>2024-12-13 - Extended downtime due to DDoS attacks >Due to repeated DDoS attacks pulling the sites down, I've now decided to pull the plug until I feel confident that future attacks could be mitigated. >I can not give any ETA when ATF will be back, depends how much time I can find to work on this, could be anything from couple days to weeks. >And no, I don't want to 'just use CloudFlare'. >In the meantime, enjoy what the other sites out there have to offer and contribute to their growth, there's strength in numbers! >If there's something important to discuss, I can be reached on baraag.net as well as via admin@allthefallen.moe :'(

>>7449 Looks like they're trying to fix it. Though the new DDOS protection isn't letting me check the site. Maybe cause of my vpn?

>>7449 Tell them to shill this board

>>7449 What's wrong with DDOS-Guard?

>>7456 CuckFlare is a brand of DDoS protection that will stop working the moment they detect their services are protecting wrongthink. It's a very temporarily solution at best, and it's entirely possible it won't last even a day if used.

That's a bit of a sleight of hand. It's not the wokies yanking Cuckflare's chain This occurred just a month before the 8Chan takedown. OG gaymurrs will remember the HK independence movement having organised concurrently with Gamergate, and members of each "digging" into Kapor-Klein and Tencent associations Basically ESG is only "half the answer," some companies are paid to cuck themselves (ie Blizzard) so the CCP equivalent can become the successors. I presume the real reason they finally "came down on 8Chan" is because they were told ahead of the next protests they'd lose their servers if they didn't

>>7463 The issue is the same in my eyes. Cuckflare does not allow loli, and if it finds out its services are used for loli, among other kinds of wrongthink, it will pull the plug.

>>7449 And now it even refuses to connect... Probably unrelated but LAH is also down; under maintenance.

>>7475 >LAH I don't recall this acronym. What was it?

>>7475 Connects for me. The down page has been updated. >The site known as allthefallen.moe will be down until further notice due to persistent DDoS attacks. >Will likely have to switch hosts. >There's two physical servers I own that would need to get colocated. >I'd rather not rent as fast storage is quite costly. >Open to suggestions for hosts that tick the boxes: >[ ] country where loli/shota is kosher >[ ] affordable unmetered 10 Gbps/s connection (1.5 PB+ / mo) >[ ] large enough to offer DDoS protection of their own >As for the budget, at the moment ATF costs around 1500 EUR/mo to run, I can't afford to pay more. >If this doesn't work out, I'll try to find someone I can trust to inherit the site, or a way to share (anonymized) data of it. >Maybe during the weekend I set up a chat or something, somewhere, for us to hang? >My contacts: >https://baraag.net/@Vistarrr >admin@allthefallen.moe >(please don't ask about alternative sites or where to find a specific mod for a game or anything of the like...) >For donations: >Fanbox: >https://visigoth.fanbox.cc/ >BTC: >bc1qxaaxms4yd9cesatdyxlmwytfa2s2xpe6770ys4 >XMR: >86BUk2XK42pPZxztDVsLxBh1MgNryw77p3NjKhVVQTxNPPf4xWLVy5hJQHZFM8WFjxZ8ioQ6o1afPb99UQrgFWWhMc4QhCx These are dark times.

>>7478 Little Angels Hentai. Pretty old lolisho-focused forum. lah.li

Sooo any alternatives for ATF?

>>6173 They would've banned the korean fags instead of the artist himself like any sane platform does if they actually have no hand in this. The way I see it they just use koreanfags as scapegoat to deny responsibility even though it's Japanese fucking platform. The reality is both has infinitely cucked themselves by opening up their stock to western shareholders, and we all know what that means

Down page updated again to show what limited section of the site still work. Booru still down.

ATF is down now what tf do i do is there any other sites?

>>7500 Oh thank you, at least now we can access the blog and directory.

>>7501 There's already a news thread discussing this. Merging thread.

Booru is back up! Praise loli!

>>7511 Site's back up, too

>>7511 Is there a section of the site where I can donate money to the site?

>>6173 >This is a reactionary solution to the Korean government threatening to penalize companies who don't use their legal strength to cease the production of illegal lines of characters owned by these devs. So it's not moralfaggotry, it's just the gacha addicts doing dirty work on behalf of Nexon so the government doesn't take their game away. What the actual fuck?

ATF had been attacked and downed by salty soy sharty's. Use Opsec as there was a lot of doxxing too, staff included. Play some games, get some fresh air or do something else worthwhile as ATF is neutered once again by haters and might still be attacked again later on by the soy sharty's, so have fun but watch out for those fuckers.

>>7580 >as ATF is neutered once again Looks like it's just the forum and chat. Those are gay anyways. >Soytards are behind it Sasuga.

>>7581 Forum and chat are pretty much ATF. The booru is more image based and only rocket scientists go to the ATF Git. Direct hit from the sharty mafia.

Don't pretend that ATF is not the epicentre of shota and loli. If they go down then there's little hope ahead for the "community". Even 8chan idiots will be affected and its clear this place is a horrible alternative.

>>7585 What the sharty's have done is vandalism. > This is terrorism If they can do this to one, they can do this to all. 8moe included. But no one cares because it's just as load of Lolicon and shotacons, right? But it was more than that. It was more than lewds and eroticism. ATF is / was a powerhouse of massive rebellion against the system. Guess I'll have to look for other ways to stand up to bullies, terrorists and white knights by expressing myself freely elsewhere against them.

>>7580 Anyone has good animated visual novel with delicious cake like Shiny days?

>>7584 >Forum and chat are pretty much ATF Never once touched them. Only ever made an account to get access to lewd mods, and then, those were not of great quality.

So is lah.li gone forever? It's not coming back?

>>7593 Mods section was locked down for ages and barely updated. But that doesn't matter anymore as signups to most of ATF are currently suspended.

>>7601 The ATF forum is like a nuclear fallout zone now, even if you can get into the forum, the DDoS scanner boots you out again after a short time, like a pack of radioactive zombies hunting you down and chasing you out.

>>7600 Got DDoS'd, apparently.

>>6728 Might be something with the host itself or they're lying about the reasoning.

I can't be the only one who noticed that there haven't been any new loli hentai anime releases right? Sure they weren't exact super common before but at least we could expect to get one every one to two months but i'm pretty sure it's been well over a year at this point. Wonder why that is?

>>7617 Okay checking again the most recent one to feature a loli came out last November but the one before that was June of 2023.

>>7618 >>7617 It's been said for over a decade. The thing is, hentai anime in general has been dying out over the same period, and what little comes out is horribly low quality "animation", if you can even call it that half the time. The result is, loli is dying out first not because of a lack of interest in, or stigma against, loli, but because it was always niche in the medium and the medium hardly exists now.

>>7621 Well shit, now i'm sad.

>>7621 Don't worry, AI art is generating a fuckton of hentai loli.

>>7621 Have you noticed that so much ecchi is now borderline-H, though? Is hentai dying part of the reason why? I miss ecchi where there was a lot of nudity but no sex, and that also seems to be dying out.

>>7649 >Have you noticed that so much ecchi is now borderline-H, though? But that comes at the price of nipples no longer being shown regularly in ecchi. It's the reverse now. Less explicit nudity, more sex.

>>7027 The retarded part is that the age of consent isn't even 18 in most of the United States, only 3 states have it as 18. and in most countries its far lower.

>>7083 > Implying We're lolicons though, not pedo's. I'm a lolicon anyway. > They are drawings, not real life pics. There is a difference and always will be.

>>7681 It's 18 in 12 U.S. states. Actually do research before you post.

>>7083 This, lolicons hate pedophiles more than anyone. They will never be welcome in our community.

>>8080 >our [lolicon] community Bruv, it's a fetish. Don't start behaving like furfags.

>>8101 >just like all cartoon obsessed manchilds. Why are you here then, Mr. Reddit spacing? This a pretty obscure place for someone who isn't a weeaboo faggot to be.

Lolicon, the sincerest form of art for those with a predeliction for very young girls

>>8126 Please do not push rule 1.

>>8126 Go back to kiwi farms or reddit.

>>6191 Found another for the collection! >Constantly accused lolicons of pedophilia >Gets caught drawing a canonical 14 year old naked >Tries claiming it wasnt sexual, but then claims he regretted it (why regret it if it wasnt sexual) >Tries claiming sega removed her age so it's ok (antis that get caught love using the "shes actually a thousand year old dragon" excuse) >Gets called out for calling an actual posting on /leftypol/y >Says it doesnt matter since it was "4 years ago" >according to him loli con is pedophilia but actual pedophilia "doesn't need to be brought up because it was a few years ago" Every fucking time

>>8144 Why did this auto correct to leftpoly? I dont give a fuck about peoples political views

>>8144 >>Gets caught drawing a canonical 14 year old naked When he was 15. That's totally consistent with normalnigger morality where 2D=3D. The only thing wrong with it would be posting it online, just like they'd see it as wrong for a couple of under 18s fucking to upload themselves. Him being lambasted for hypocrisy here is no different than those retards that feel like an age gap between consenting adults is pedophilia and accuse themselves of being evil sex pests. >>8145 Retarded global wordfilter to prevent fedbots from flagging the site when people try attacking the site by spamming common pedo terms. I think it might actually be pointless now that there's a splash page.

>>8146 The ch1ld he admitted to calling sexy wasn't Blaze. I'm not stupid enough to yell at a teen for liking another teen. (Also blaze is a drawing, not a child. She was only brought up to point out the anti's hypocrisy for insulting lolis while drawing a character some could call a loli) The point I was making was that not only did he call lolicons pedos despite drawing a young character too, but he also admitted that he called a child something provocative and admitted he was too old to be talking that way about a child. An anti basically admitted hes a pedo, that's why I was insulting him. Am I being clear? Sorry about the confusion if my wording got fucked up

>>8149 Some of the confusion was probably my fault as well.

Is atf down again? Another soyjak raid?

>>8156 Both the booru and forum are fine for me.

Does anyone have any thoughts/info on the whole Texas SB20 thing? The long-short of it was about a month ago, some faggot politicians from Texas introduced a bill that aims to outlaw any form of imagery that depicts "childlike characters" in sexual or suggestive situations -- including fictional, as stated in the bill's description. But I haven't seen any other big chatter about it for a few weeks now.

>>8161 Haven't heard it passed, if it does pass, it'll affect not just rorikon hentai, but even most shonenshit, and thus won't stand up to scrutiny and be enforced for long. There's been fearmongering that a dozen other states (and some countries) have quietly already passed similar bills, but no one making these claims provided sources beyond a single Scandinavian nation doing so. Seems like a nothingburger.

>>8162 to my knowledge It was nothingburger, the "law" only updated the only texas law to include AI, that's it, the same law stands but now it includes AI on its text,

>>8180 That was my initial belief too, but then someone quoted another part of the law that pretty explicitly stated it would effect all fictional depictions of minors, realistic, identifiable, or otherwise, in sexual situations.

>>8150 You good. I mostly blame 8chan's auto correct

Dorontabi is back up isn't he Dead thread

>>8156 >>8160 Been having trouble accessing the site and booru the last few days as well

>>8161 The operative word in every case is "obscene". Nothing can be considered obscene if it has artistic value. Things are art when they are an expression of human creativity with the purpose of being appreciated for their emotional power. Porn has an emotional power, and that emotion is lust. But AI slop doesn't satisfy the "expression of human creativity" part of the definition of art. This bill was intended to stop the creation of AI deepfakes. Since AI isn't art, it can be considered obscene. By comparison, a drawing or animation made by a human can't be considered obscene.

>>8565 Then all you have to do is edit the AI generated image in some way that isn't using AI. Bam, it's art again. Which is true of any AI that has had it's deformities polished out of it.

ATF's booru now requires login to view any art that isn't rated G in anticipation of various new laws coming about in the USA. Login does not require any info, not even email. However, the codemonkeys FUCKED UP, and many people, myself included, are being auto-logged out any time a page is loaded, making the site FUCKING UNUSABLE.

>>8745 Figured it out. You have to delete cookies. Just like with the sad panda, attempting to access the site before logging in gives you a bad cookie that prevents you from properly logging in. >Open any site page >Go to login page >Delete cookies >Login It's even worse than the panda, since you can't avoid picking up the bad cookies, so you'll have to delete them every time.

>>8745 Laws? What laws?

>>8747 There's a bill that just passed in Texas, and lots of other states are allegedly passing similar legislation. The Texan bill technically makes things like Evangelion illegal, but will most likely only be enforced against easier targets.

https://baraag.net/@satori/114093081299192717 A storage provider suddenly cucked out, possibly due to new laws, without giving Baraag any time to transfer what was stored. To make matters worse, their backups failed and a large amount of media going back to August 2024 was lost. Site admins reaffirm their dedication to keeping the site going.

>>8180 You're completely wrong. >A person commits an offense if the person knowingly possesses, accesses with intent to view, or promotes obscene visual material containing a depiction that appears to be of a child younger than 18 years of age engaging in activities described by Section 43.21(a)(1)(B), regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software. https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB20/id/3238681

>>8144 Post ARCHIVES. Screenshots don't mean anything.

>>8757 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

>>8757 >March 2025 this is old news

>>8768 No one here had yet mentioned it.

>>8765 >>8769 Whew.

BTD's paypal cucked so they folded and deleted their Fanbox content, apparently will delete their baraag, and almost all of their gallery on pixiv is deleted.

>>8779 Shit, is there any other way we can help him or he's toast?

>>8748 What is the law in question and what does it says?

>>8826 https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/analysis/html/SB00020I.htm >Provides that a person commits an offense if the person knowingly possesses, accesses with intent to view, or promotes obscene visual material containing a depiction that appears to be of a child younger than 18 years of age engaging in activities described by Section 43.21(a)(1)(B) (relating to defining "obscene" to mean material or a performance that depicts or describes certain sexual acts), regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software. This is separate from existing laws that stipulate for such an image to be illegal, it must be indistinguishable from a real identifiable minor, i.e. photorealistic and of a real person. This laws contains no such stipulation.

>>6172 Xhitter bait thread. OP is the real cringe.

>>8746 When's the "codemonkeys" going to revert the site back to 2023?

>Can't search loli on gelbooru it may be over bros

>>8918 It works for me. Did you search incognito and forget to turn on the setting to view all site content?

>>8918 Go to settings and enable fringe content, dumbass. Everything is OK. For now.

>>8921 It's been this way for a while, a few other boorus do the same. Law enforcement seems to generally be ok with this approach, because their victims basically "incriminate" themselves by checking the box where not legal.

the anti digital cp bill in texas has been passed https://archive.ph/Vlc3l#selection-37723.0-37773.152 https://archive.ph/nFjCN

>>8951 Let's see how selectively it's enforced. Technically loli and a great many other things are already illegal due to obscenity.

>>8952 My money is on it being used to bully twitter artists

Wasn't the bill already a proven nothing burger that was refering to things like AI images that are literally indistinguishable from real kids rather than cartoony drawings? Or is this something new completely?

>>8956 >that was refering to things like AI images that are literally indistinguishable from real kids rather than cartoony drawings That's the existing law. You need only scroll up a little to find the difference laid out in bold text in this very thread. >>8830

>>8959 Ah. If I had to guess though, this is one of those things that will pretty much never be enforced. It's technically already "illegal" in a few states as well as some European countries and such, but it's clearly not enforced on the whole. Usually when it is, it's in addition to other crimes. It's still very stupid indeed, but I also wouldn't worry to much for now.

>>8951 >>8951 By Texas passing this, it could very well have a spillover effect on other red states and even a few blue ones. Don't forget to archive your lolicon games, pics, and vids folks. Don't assume they'll always be online esp when censorship can become rampant. For those who wanna buy physical doujins/h related content, now might be the last chance.

>>8965 >By Texas passing this, it could very well have a spillover effect on other red states and even a few blue ones. Exactly. This is not the only law we'll see.

>>8951 The simple solution: stop being retarded and use a VPN or Tor

>>8978 Porn ID laws are incoming as well.

>>8979 They wont matter for shit if you're technologically literate. Not every porn site will enforce it in the first place, and those that do won't enforce them worldwide. Connect to a non-US server on a VPN and have fun.

U.S. Supreme Court backs age verification laws for porn https://archive.ph/Jyt7y

>>8987 And? Most of the good stuff isn't hosted in the US. Just literally use a VPN to get around this nonsense.

>>8987 This is the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Coalition,_Inc._v._Paxton

>>8988 I wouldn't be surprised if Japan follows suit eventually.

>>8998 Don't you dare put that curse on me Bobby Joe

>>8998 I really can't see it happening tbh

>>8952 >Technically loli and a great many other things are already illegal due to obscenity. Technically all porn is illegal due to obscenity.

>>9017 >Technically loli and a great many other things are already illegal How many people have you seen being arrested for drawing or sharing loli hentai? That's right: NONE! Meanwhile lots of people get arrested over "hate speech" memes and posts. But SOMEHOW anti-loli fags still make "hate speech" post while they lecture you about loli "being illegal".

>>8988 You have no foresight.

The UK has now implemented age verification for porn sites, and the EU has given one year to its member states to enact similar laws. https://archive.ph/fGdgx https://archive.ph/uMRel https://archive.ph/oRzux 25 U.S. states already have age verification laws, as does Australia and France, and New Zealand and Canada are considering passing them as well. South Korea bans porn entirely. But just use a VPN, right, guys?

>>9182 >https://archive.ph/fGdgx >France is the second-largest online pornography audience in the world No fucking way. I know they're infamously perverts, but the the amount of porn they consume per person can't possibly be so high as to compete with nations that have 5 to 10 times their population. >But just use a VPN, right, guys? I understand your concerns about the direction the world is heading, but there is nothing I can do about them. I'm surprised this didn't happen 20+ years ago. Given you're required to show ID to access adult stores when in meatspace, it just seems like the law was lagging behind in catching up to the internet. It's not hard to come up with a system that'll convince normalfags it's totally okay, even if it's not. They already dox themselves online regularly. Privacy oriented people are in the vast minority. Here's how it'll probably go. >You need to verify your age for age restricted online services with a real ID. Merely claiming you're 18 doesn't count. <But that would mean giving my personal info to porn sites, and I can't trust all these sites with my info! >Not to worry, citizen. You don't have to give random websites any personal information! Instead, just pop on over to this government website and enter your government ID. It will generate a unique key with no personally identifiable information on it which can then be used to access all adult websites that have adopted this verification system, which they are now legally required to. <Oh, that's not so bad. Kind of annoying, but now I don't have to click "how old are you?" and "are you 18?" on a bunch of different sites, so it's actually more convenient! Of course, the government will use this to spy on you. But you, Joe McNormalnigger, already know the government is spying on you and have stopped caring or never cared in the first place.

>>9186 >Here's how it'll probably go. Yeah, it's going to START like that. But then it will keep expanding to include things that are not legally questionable. >Oh, you want to access this website for ordering liquor? Sorry, but you need to provide your ID to do that. <Oh, you want to access this website for ordering gun parts? Sorry, but you need to provide your ID to do that. >Oh, you want to access this website for reading about political issues? Sorry, but you need to provide your ID to do that. <Oh, you want to access this website to read about science? Sorry, but you need to provide your ID to do that. >Oh, you want to access this website for getting involved in stocks? Sorry, but you need to provide your ID to do that. And it just goes on and on from there, to the point where you cannot access anything without providing an ID. And it's exactly that type of situation that cause Prohibition to be revoked. Because it began making everyone practically into a criminal. And when "everything" is illegal, nothing is and society begins to break down.

>>9186 That's my point. Everyone is saying to just use a VPN, but when we get to the point where almost every jurisdiction in the world requires age verification, VPNs won't mean anything anymore. >>9187 Absolutely. This isn't stopping with porn, everything is going to require this.

>>9183 How long is the time bomb set for? Does anyone have a BIIIIIIIIIIG whale-sized archive? >>8745 Did they fix this problem as well?

>>9189 >How long is the time bomb set for? What? What are you even saying? I explained everything in my post. 25 U.S. states, the UK, Australia, and France already have these laws in effect. New Zealand and Canada are thinking about passing them. South Korea has banned all porn sites since at least 2009. What are you confused about?

>>9189 >Did they fix this problem as well? Pretty sure. I haven't encountered it again. >How long is the time bomb set for? Negro, what are you on about? Tons of places are already implementing laws or have already implemented them. The bomb is already going off as we speak. Some places are already full of shrapnel. If you're asking about how long they have to implement these laws in the EU, it's 1 year from the announcement of the new EU guidelines, which I think were released about a month ago.

https://anime2.blog.jp/archives/37876822.html Yet another fanservice aggregate (RIP Animepantser*) is set to be gone forever due to the dearth of fanservice in general and the possible dawn of AI. Not precisely loli but there's a fair amount depending on the series covered .Even then it missed pics related but it'll suck to see it gone. Is there an easy-ish method of image scraping? *yes I know the sadpanda has a bunch of galleries but they've yet to be organized

>>8988 I hate that attitude. We're on the same fucking boat, we should care that it's not OUR part that is getting filled with water because it will eventually fuck us all.

>>9196 <no archive Man, you suck. https://archive.ph/8P297

>>9196 Hey, I was going to say that!

>>9196 At least the anime bath one is still up.

For anyone worried about vpn, the only way to be anonymous these days is connecting to a vpn > tor and disabling java on about:config, even them if you connect to a website containing google or cloudflare script even if blocked you get busted (its not limited to those 2 either), javascript is not the only way to identify a person these days windows registers every file name and its thumbnail, keylogs, read txt files, and makes a list of programs you use, not so sure if blocking every connection to microsoft related works so use one of open source os that dont call home constantly (looking at you fedora) there is a reason most of those boorus get attacked until they add trackers into them if anyone know a method to securely connect to these sites let me know

lol xD LOOOOOOOOOL anyway..

>>9304 >VPN + Tor Can be useful if adversaries are using pattern recognition to identify you. Leaves you at the mercy of your VPN provider though. How "no logs" are they really? >disable javascript Sure this is a darkweb meme at this point, if you want to break functionality of any website go ahead and disable it. It's a vulnerability that only state-level actors would be able to exploit, unless you're important to the foreign policy goals of another country and would be a target for blackmail this is overkill. >windows telemetry Use Tails then, it's disposable.

Where do you guys see the future of the current view on loli? Right now it's just extreme pedo-hysteria, and artists being harassed. I don't necessarily want people to be positive about it, maybe just thinking its weird but not caring. I feel like its ramped up in recent years coinciding with the Epstein panic. I'd like to think it's at the peak, but it could get worse if people actually start getting arrested for it, or vigilante murders, if 5 years in prison is deemed "not enough" Do you think the hysteria around the topic has peaked, or is the peak still not there yet? I thought it would be good to bring up a discussion of societies view on it, since all the discussion here is about potential/upcoming laws.

>>9337 I'm totally blackpilled, but will continue to peruse the naughty drawings by any means necessary.

>>9337 I don't know. Normal people might as well be aliens to me.

>>9337 >but it could get worse if people actually start getting arrested for it this just in, guy got arrested for it

>>9356 >Source: dude trust me This all I could find quickly, but it's from January. https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/sumter-county-man-arrested-obscene-visual-representations-child-sexual-abuse

>>9357 This could be AI. There has been some cases for realistic AI Generated stuff recently.

>>9360 I looked more into it, and found other pages of him being charged with sexual abuse/ exploitation of minor. Maybe the obscenity charge was chosen because its easier to convict or something.

>>9361 >I looked more into it, and found other pages of him being charged with sexual abuse/ exploitation of minor. Maybe the obscenity charge was chosen because its easier to convict or something. Many such cases.

>>9183 Been following this for about 2 years now. Basically Australia started this mess(I'm guessing still feuding with Elon over that church stabbing incident) and started this whole crusade on "protecting the children online" and proposed forced IDs to the UN. Their idea was outlandish too because the first thing they mentioned in this proposal was also getting around VPNs as children will be smart enough to download and purchase a VPN. I have no clue how they mean to do this but VPN's are definitively on their hit list and been a lot of articles on attacking VPN providers. This started a huge chain reaction of retarded shit going on online where the UK soon followed suit and for some reason half of America wanted to be special snowflakes and enforce their own ID checks for porn site(just the PornHub ring of sites so far which is even more dumber) last year. Germany wants to ban ad blockers, Texas banning anime, lots of sites both sfw and nonsfw are bending a knee to these forced ID checks from the UK even sites outside the UK, etc. The craziest part in all this is nobody is saying anything about this, let alone even know what's going on.

>>9363 >Texas banning anime This is not true, and has been discussed many times on this site (mainly in the GG threads on /v/). Everything else you said is correct, but you undermine your argument with false statements like this.

>>9363 >>9365 In fact, I'll explain it again, just so I can have an easy post to reference for the future. SB20 states: >A person commits an offense if the person: (1) knowingly possesses, accesses with intent to view, or promotes obscene visual material containing a depiction that appears to be of a child younger than 18 years of age engaging in activities described by Section 43.21(a)(1)(B), regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software. https://archive.ph/1IkOz What does Section 43.21(a)(1)(B) say? >(B) depicts or describes: (i) patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or (ii) patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs. https://archive.ph/mkIr8 So, does the overwhelming majority of ecchi anime contain content that would break this law? No. This basically bans hentai (or ecchi that is extremely borderline) with underage characters. Is it a retarded law? Absolutely. But did Texas just "ban anime?" No, not at all. >>8748 >The Texan bill technically makes things like Evangelion illegal Just to make it perfectly clear, this statement is completely false.

>>9365 >This is not true, and has been discussed many times on this site (mainly in the GG threads on /v/). >Everything else you said is correct, but you undermine your argument with false statements like this. It's an oversimplification of what's happening, but it's not entirely false for him to say Texas is banning anime when the law as written, technically outlaws some non-hentai anime, like Ishizoku Reviewers to make the easiest possible example. He just didn't specify "all" or "some", which could be interpreted as intentional sensationalism, but the phrase "banning anime" would be interpreted by common sense to mean some anime rather than all, because then you have to wrap your head around why the hell they'd have a blanket ban on it instead of some fringe shit they don't like which the much likelier scenario. >Just to make it perfectly clear, this statement is completely false. I don't think a teenager masturbating to another comatose teenager would fly if questioned in a court of law under these stipulations, just because it wasn't explicit. I doubt the law would go after it in the first place, since it wouldn't look good to ban a massively popular property, but it can easily be argued to >promote obscene visual material containing a depiction that appears to be of a child younger than 18 years of age engaging in patently offensive representations or descriptions of masturbation Sure, it might have "meaning and purpose in the story" or some shit, but you're trying to convince people in court of this, not weeaboos that have seen much worse without flinching.

>>9368 And let me phrase it another way. The way this law is worded, anything that wouldn't fly in a modern live action show wouldn't fly in anime. So showing an underage teenager with (potentially fake) cum on his hand and the bare chest of an underage teenage girl in the background would land you jail time immediately. >inb4 Cuties Pretty sure that didn't have explicit underage breasts. Not to mention I bet everyone who worked on that is probably under the protection of certain people who can get away with things normal people can't

>>9368 >I don't think a teenager masturbating to another comatose teenager would fly if questioned in a court of law under these stipulations, just because it wasn't explicit. I doubt the law would go after it in the first place, since it wouldn't look good to ban a massively popular property, but it can easily be argued to >Sure, it might have "meaning and purpose in the story" or some shit, but you're trying to convince people in court of this, not weeaboos that have seen much worse without flinching. True. I didn't consider a scene like this. I concede that this would be problematic. >>9369 >So showing an underage teenager with (potentially fake) cum on his hand and the bare chest of an underage teenage girl in the background would land you jail time immediately. >inb4 Cuties >Pretty sure that didn't have explicit underage breasts. It's worth noting that bare breasts are not illegal under this specific statute. In fact, in most U.S. jurisdictions (including federal law), it's not considered chïld pornography to begin with. You're right about the cum part, though.

>>9370 >>9371 >>9372 >>9373 >Hit with the global filter twice >Then noticed a typo on the third attempt Wew laddy.

>>9374 My kingdom for an edit button.

>>9365 >>9366 Since you seem to know what you're talking about here, I'd like to ask; would you say classic or Vita-style Japanese moe ecchi console games, like say, Senran Kagura, Dungeon Travelers or pre-2020 Compile Heart games, as was relatively common before the great Sonypocalypse of 2018, would fall under this law?

>>9390 Probably not, but it would depend on the context. I don't see something like Senran Kagura ever being effected.

>>9403 Well, 4/v/ is making it out like every single Japanese game with even mild ecchi got banned. I'd really hate to see America become the new Australia or UK, these games have historically faced few restrictions here and the ESRB is pretty much as impartial as you can get from a rating board. Alas, I suppose it doesn't matter that much because this pseudo-genre of games is already on death's door due to escalating platform restrictions and it's unlikely we'll get anything like the Vita age again unless Sony/Valve/Nintendo get slapped by legislation or a lawsuit over their constant censorship. Seriously, how long do we have to put up with them just being able to pull the rug out from your release with no warning and not even reimburse you? It reeks of pure maliciousness.

>>9408 In short...?

>>9414 How much shorter am I supposed to make it?

>>9416 Explain it like I care about Internet censorship in America and don't need to use the Wayback Machine for porn and hentai all the time.

>>9408 >Well, 4/v/ is making it out like every single Japanese game with even mild ecchi got banned. They're idiots. Unless it violates Section 43.21(a)(1)(B), it isn't banned. Even if the games being mentioned showed uncensored nipples, they wouldn't be banned. Moreover, this is one state in a country of 50 states.

Latest crashout coming from rev and the reason: japanese TV doesn't want to show 16 year old nipples

>>9440 >Latest crashout Yay, latest zoomer slang just dropped, ong ong fr fr no cap.

>>9440 Also, Marin isn't a loli. Wake me up when they're bitching about Juju.

>>9440 I mean, it is retarded. For one, 16 is the AoC in Japan, so what's the problem there? For two, as others pointed out, Mahoako had no problem showing nipples. Yeah, it mainly aired on late-night stations, but so did My Dress Up Darling. For three, this isn't just a MDuD problem. Anime adaptations of manga have been getting censored left and right. Even adaptations of outright ecchi aren't safe, see the whole fiasco with 2.5D Seduction. There is definitely a trend of censoring anime of any "provocative" content nowadays, not just nipples, and I don't think broadcasting standards are fully to blame here. Hate to say it, but I definitely think it has to do with anime going global and thus getting chopped down for "global standards" (read: western neoliberal progressive norms). This is also the likely reason why loli fanservice is virtually nonexistent in anime now. Whenever a manga with loli fanservice scenes or risque outfits gets adapted to anime, you can bet your ass it'll be the first thing that gets censored. Even Mahoako, the golden child of modern ecchi anime, shies away from lewding Nero Alice very much. You can't deny that modern anime is massively censored and neutered compared to what it was a decade ago let alone two. It is virtually impossible to imagine anyone attempting even something like Ro-Kyu-Bu now let alone Kodomo no Jikan.

>>9444 >"global standards" (read: western neoliberal progressive norms) I've seen something in quotes followed by the word "read" in parenthesis a lot of times since freaking 2016, WHAT THE HELL'S IT MEAN?

>>9446 And also... >>9425

>>9444 >I mean, it is retarded. For one, 16 is the AoC in Japan If you want to bring up AoC, you can't consent to porno in Japan until you're 18. Not that that's a real argument for banning fictional nipples. >>9446 Use context clues, retard.

>>9446 replace "read:" with "that meaning" or "aka" and maybe it'll help >"global standards" (read: western neoliberal faggotry) <"global standards" (that being western neoliberal faggotry) You're welcome, "friend" (read: fag)

>>9502 Ha ha; now back to the previous question... Am I going to have to use a VPN and/or the Wayback Machine in the future? Because...

>>9444 >Hate to say it, but I definitely think it has to do with anime going global and thus getting chopped down for "global standards" It was this and has been this for years now, but the problem is worse and more multi-faceted than just this. This is going to be long so bear with me. First, almost all anime is now made available on various streaming platforms, as you pointed out. If any of these services are on the production committee for that anime or the committee wants the anime on that platform, they can directly interfere with it. For example, if producers want bilibili to pay for streaming rights for a series, they may demand the show is made with China's draconian censorship standards in mind so the bilibili broadcast version doesn't have to be further censored. Second, self-censorship by staff themselves is also rampant. Many nowadays don't see any harm or even active good in censoring without being asked, simply to shield themselves from potential issues. Or worse because they have an agenda. I just recently saw an interview with the anime scriptwriter for the Bocchi the Rock adaptation here: https://kai-you.net/article/93374/page/2 Highlights of what she says include how "sexualization of minors in official work is a problem" and "we decided to eliminate 'noise' such as unnecessary fanservice in order to ensure the anime would be more popular" "whether or not I could show it to my own child is an important standard for me", etc. She bases all these arguments on the idea that because anime is now easily available on streams, it's accessibility demands 'zoning' for audiences as anyone could see it. Third, there's simply less money entering the industry from enthusiasts. Many otaku have stopped buying anime goods in favor of spending more money on gacha/soshage properties, vtubers, etc. The 'carry an anime on disc sales' model popular in the 2000s is essentially dead. Mostly because of streaming but it's also because the potential consumer base has changed. At the same time, there's far more money entering from both overseas and casual domestic viewers because of widespread availability. I don't need to say any more about the sensibilities of Western audiences, everyone here knows how much of a cancer such people are already. What all this together means is an "ecchi ghetto" where a small minority of works are allowed to be more extreme while everything else is heavily sanitized. Gone are the days where restrictions were lax just because of shows airing on a night-time slot. This line drawn between works for a wide audience and niche will inevitably given all internal+external factors pressing the industry result in more and more shows trying to stay 'widely appealing' and drain more money and talent from niche projects until eventually there's nothing left. I find it unlikely the anime industry will maintain any idiosyncracies that made it deeply appealing for much longer.

>>9503 Yes, but likely there will be a push within a few years to either make VPN usage illegal outside enterprise use, or mandate government backdoors. The UK is probably going to experiment with this very very soon given the age verification drama going on over there, and anything they do is just a testing ground for the rest of the world: every other government is salivating at the prospect of copycatting actions shithole countries like that are taking to deprive their citizens of civil liberties. I also think there will be pushes soon to remove 'problematic' content from archive.org and similar projects.

By the way, the Texas bill scare about loli has actually produced some kind of tangible harm already: JAST (that publisher of eroge and other VNs along with occasionally things like manga) was banned from running a booth at a San Antonio convention: https://x.com/jastusa/status/1961855148655042739 The irony is JAST doesn't even touch that much loli stuff (although they did just put out an uncensored release of Onii-chan Asa made Zutto Gyutte Shite), so clearly there's fear R-18 2D content is going to come under fire in the US in a much broader sense than just controversial subsets like loli.