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Total commercialization of loli/shota-artists and community Anon 11/27/2024 (Wed) 17:21:07 No. 18725 >>19399
My text will seem provocative, even radical. But this is a cry from the heart. It worries me that in the last few years, most loli/shota artists have become driven solely by monetizing their talent. Love, sincerity and passion have long been pushed aside by them. This is extremely destructive to the unity of the loli/shota-community. Many of us have more than once encountered the sad and disappointing situation when you write to your favorite artist about some interesting characters, but do not receive any response. They evaluate characters not in terms of their attractiveness and uniqueness, but in terms of profit and popularity. So many cute loli and shota unfairly remain in the shadows, but artists, following the hype, are churning out Naruto, Killua, Hilda, Bridget, Pomni and Luz by the thousands! And when you sincerely try to convey this to them, they react aggressively. Almost everyone is familiar with cases when a modest and kind artist, having acquired money and fame, turned into a greedy and arrogant one. The transformation (more correctly, deformation) of many of them reached the point that they completely lost the habit of drawing for pleasure and inspiration, because it is free and will not bring in income. They may not paint for months if they don't have orders. Their motivation to draw has become unlearned to come from incentives other than financial ones. Terrifying! It sounds like a nightmarish dystopia, but, alas, this is a frequent reality and a sad example of degradation. When you don't have money (and many of us are from poor countries, including me), artists don't even look at you. And when you are rich like Croesus, they greet you with curtsies and run after you almost at a skip. Those of us who are poor have become poor relatives to the rich, who dissociate themselves from him in every possible way. We, like the little match girl from Hans Christian Andersen's sad fairy tale, can only admire from afar. Another shocking revelation is that some of them are not loli and shotalovers, but came to drawing because it is a lucrative topic. "Money doesn't smell." They declare with cynical frankness that they hate what they draw and those they draw to, but they tolerate it because of the big money. "You're a broke, balding, fat, sweaty, old jerk who stinks of cum!" - a true loli/shota-bro will never say such words towards his brother. An excellent marker that allows you to determine whether this or that artist is bro or not is AI. Bro ardently supports AI, knowing what great happiness AI brings to brothers. But the non-bro, who is in the community only for mercantile reasons, begins to writhe from the AI like a vampire from a holy crucifix. They start screaming about “capitalism and evil corporations depriving them of income,” although they themselves, like Scrooge, recently humiliated the poor man who was naive to turn to them. I do not want to say that artists should selflessly sacrifice for the sake of society and devote themselves to serving it, fulfilling everyone's dreams, never taking a penny, completely forgetting and rejecting their own interests. I want artists to be well-fed and live in abundance, without worrying about tomorrow. I’m just for balance, when sincere creativity and creativity for the sake of earning money are shared equally, without a bias in one direction or another. Twitter before Musk's arrival created a dangerous illusion among loli/shota artists that they were now in a legal field. They forgot how fragile their position is. They must remember who they are and that they are in the same boat with their poor bros. If this continues, we will turn into a disgrace like the furry-community, which has long been said to have become a club for the rich.
>>19319 He >>19328 is either some kind of troll shotahater, or, most likely, a profiteer who is furious that he and others like him have had their masks ripped off in this thread. This is how they, not being pedosexuals themselves, actually treat those who order drawings from them. They fawn, feign friendliness, but in reality they hate us with a vengeance. And when we write to them asking for help for free, thinking that they are our brothers, they, seeing no need for pretense, show their true colors. Therefore, the best we can do is simply ignore him. Let him rage in impotent anger at his exposure, his inadequacy serving as the best proof of the theses about pseudo-artists from the thread header.
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I am the kind of person who always gives a "credit of trust" to the person I start communicating with. Until the very end, I believe that the person will be adequate and will make peace. But here (screenshot), as almost always (it feels like all these pseudo-artists are churned out on a conveyor belt, they are so similar to each other), this is not the case. Not only did he not want to part peacefully, but he also blacklisted me, although at the end I openly hinted that I was ready to make peace and say goodbye without holding a grudge against each other. I was ready to admit that I was wrong, and he would turn out not to be a huckster, but our brother, and we simply misunderstood each other at first. But, alas, no, he really is a 100% huckster. Well, I wish his shitty loved ones to die in agony; I'm sick of bastards justifying their vileness by caring for their loved ones. If he thinks that my politeness, restraint and apologies are weakness, then let him pay dearly for it. I am one of those who try to solve everything in a good way, but, having exhausted all possibilities, become merciless like Tsar Ivan the Terrible. Well, as expected, this asshole, as expected, turned out to be another Latino who came to the community to make money on "stupid perverted gringos".
>>18725 (OP) Well, well, well, what do we have here.... The thread of an autistic guy who just wants free drawings using stupid excuses. Go learn to draw or get yourself a job mama's boy, and if you can't do either, there's always the trusty AI to bring your ideas to life.
>>19399 What kind of kindergarten-level rhetoric is this? You simply have absolutely nothing to counter with on the merits, so you resorted to such a banal method as reducing all the facts that are inconvenient for you to nonsense. For you, the main thing in the drawings is not their content, but whether they were paid for or not. Thus, you only confirm the problem that I voiced in this thread.
>>19413 Pick up a pencil.
>>19414 Are you all created with this "take a pencil" in a clone factory? Take a pencil? So that at my age (I'm already over 20), absolutely unable to draw and never having had a craving for drawing before, I can scribble something like a chimpanzee dragging a stick through the sand? A great way to mock people, stroking your ego, you came up with, right? This is the shit we want to finish with you, expelling your gang of swindlers from the community once and for all. Let me outline your near future, profiteer. Given the rapid development of neural networks, your drawings will soon be of no use to anyone, even for free. It will not be people who ask you, but you who will ask them to at least somehow appreciate your drawings. And therefore, the only way to remain interesting to people is to be sincere and create from the heart and for the soul, to see in those who write to you not freeloaders, but brothers. And only in this way you can be useful to them and even get donations from them. Why do I, having access to the capabilities of AI, continue to write to artists? I already voiced the reason above in the thread - revenge. Revenge for what they did to our community. I figure out those of them who are pseudo-artists, and then, after a while, having coordinated with dozens of people like me, avengers, we strike at their accounts (PayPal, Twitter/X, Patreon/Busti). If I were indifferent, I would peacefully enjoy myself with AI, but I am a passionary and a person who deeply hates lies. So I repay them for everything they have done.
No wonder people think all vatniks are insane
>>19416 How can I be a vatnik if I hate Putin and the war he unleashed? But I also despise the West. For their indecisiveness in helping Ukraine and the hypocrisy of the so-called left (I wrote about them in this thread). Trump won because people were tired of the cowardly Biden and the lying SJW. I told how the SJW (pseudo-artist Honeyshot, for example), who preach help to the poor and oppressed, refused me, rudely demanding money from me. If I were an American, I would vote for Trump. He had just come to power, and Putin was already shaking in his boots, and soyjaks were hysterical. The Russian opposition is very disappointed in the West. It believed that NATO would strike the Kremlin in the first weeks of the war, thereby saving not only Ukraine, but also freeing Russia from Putin and the vatniks.
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>>19417 Your country needs a new fucking flag.
>>19399 >autistic guy I can't tell that from "ADHD."
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Today in the correspondence I found another example of a respectful and caring refusal. Why can't all people be such sweethearts? They are so insanely greedy and fixated only on money that they get so mad that someone asked for them for free, like a brother to a brother. Instead of politely and caringly refusing, avoiding sharp corners, they push the issue of money, they are so twisted with anger that they consider even a pauper like me as lost profit, blaming me for the fact that I can't pay. They see us not as brothers, but as profit, and they value not ideas/characters, but as profitability. >>19421 I am not Ukrainian, I am Russian and I live in Russia. And I do not need this unfortunate Ukraine, which the psychopath Putin has dug into with all his claws, sowing death and destruction. But a nuclear strike would look good in the place of the Kremlin. The Russian hinterland hates Moscow, which sucks the life out of the rest of the country. While Moscow grows rich, the provinces wither and become depopulated.
>Claims AI is better than real art >Stills begs for free shit to artist
>>19328 I didn't ask you. Now neck yourself, fucktard.
I want to emphasize a couple of important points. Unlike a real sholicon, pseudo-artists are always given away by the extremely limited pool of characters and the list of cartoons/anime presented in their drawings. A real sholicon is always happy to meet some new loli/shota character. Yes, not every character may appeal to him, but in general, you can tell from the person that he is not against discovering some new heroes. Well, and just talking to you, like brother to brother, he will only be glad. Well, here are a couple more "red markers" that indicate that you are dealing with a huckster: a pseudo-artist will never ask you to tell him about other characters if he did not find the one he was initially offered interesting, and he will also react aggressively if you yourself suggest someone else for him. The second point. Some people here have the impression that I am fixated on Evan. This is not true at all. I just did not talk about other characters. And there are many! For example, pseudo-artists met Nanachi and Nata with exactly the same coldness. Just remember: no matter what interesting, original and sexy characters you offer, a pseudo-artist/huckster is not interested in them, because the only thing that attracts him is money and only money. >>19428 In the thread I already explained >>19415 why, despite AI, I continue to write to artists.
>>19436 >Nanachi and Nata Nat *fixed*
>>19432 >No u >>19436 Kys faggot, you're a blight on this world, you sow only ruin wherever you go out of spite for being born as such a pathetic loser
>>19438 Mmm... this butthurt is delicious! I feel like Cartman, drinking in the tears of his enemies. Someone blew up your Twitter/Patreon that you've been so to nurture for years? Cry, huckster! Cry! For you, who have become a sarcoma for the sholicon community, it's all (retribution) just beginning. The trumpeters of apocalyptica are already sounding!
This is so autistic. Please continue, I find so little that amuses me these days.
>>19439 I'm not even an artist, but I despise piss poor fags that are jealous of the talent of other people. Keep coping thinking that anything you do actually matters.
>>19440 I suspect you're trying to put a good face on a bad game. When a person has butt hurt, but he's trying his best to show that he's calm, but from the outside it looks so strained and ridiculous that it looks worse than hysteria. >>19441 I've never envied talent. I've always admired and respected it. But my admiration and respect for talent should not be confused with servility. No one is irreplaceable. And if a talented person starts to be too proud of himself and considers others to be shit, he needs to be brought down to earth. Many, unfortunately, still profess the naive Pushkin maxim: "Genius and villainy are incompatible", considering talented people infallible. Whereas reality is expressed in the caustic phrase of the incomparable actress Faina Georgievna Ranevskaya: "Talent is like a pimple - it jumps up on any ass." With these words, she conveyed with her characteristic sarcastic elegance that talents, unfortunately, often go to very disgusting people and therefore one cannot respect a person only for talent. Well, I admit that you are not an artist. Then it is worse. You are a cuckold. Do you think that the profiteers will appreciate the fact that you defend them? You are nothing and nobody to them, a grain of sand in the sea. You are like that person from the meme who defends capital without having any capital himself; and no, I am not a communist, I think that both capitalism and communism are sort of shit. You are like the black manager from "Django Unchained", where he was a devoted servant of the plantation owners, mercilessly exploiting his fellows, being almost crueler than his master
>>19446 Ok honest question, you're poor but how do you manage GOOD SHOTA content then? Genning locally isn't cheap you know and I have to know how to do it myself.
>>19447 *manage to generate
>>19447 For generation with excellent quality and high speed, NVIDIA 2060S almost six years old and ComfyUI software shell are enough. I also used to think that generating locally is very difficult and expensive due to the cost of the computer components required for this. I assembled my computer from components from the secondary market (flea market), keeping within only 300 dollars (if you convert the amount in rubles to dollars). I saved up for four months, putting this amount aside from small side jobs. While, just a minute, a hand-made drawing of at least a somewhat acceptable level costs 80-100 dollars. And some (cynical scum OkYumir, for example) prices start at 200 dollars. Bastards do not understand that what is a throwaway amount for a North American and Western European, for second and third world countries is impressive money. Because of the profiteers, a destructive and humiliating segregation has arisen in the community, where everything is available only to those who can pay. I don't hold a grudge against the rich, it's not their fault that (pseudo)artists are so greedy. Moreover, they also become victims of profiteers. How many people were deceived out of money when a huckster (and not some one-day account, but one with a solid reputation), having collected an advance payment from a bunch of people, disappeared. And when a person, having paid a lot of money, discovered that the drawing was much worse than other works of this same pseudo-artist. Drawings can be unforgivably delayed for almost years, and for any reminders a person receives reproaches and even rudeness from the (pseudo)artist. Sometimes (pseudo)artists even publicly, yes, not in personal messages, but by posting correspondence publicly, ridiculed customers whose ideas seemed strange, funny or boring to them. There are many such stories in this video and in the comments below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YGgxv44F4k
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It is not surprising that the author of the video claims that she is happy about the emergence of AI, although she used to be very loyal to artists. I am accused here of only complaining and destroying. But I am also engaged in "preaching" (proselytizing) about neural networks, opening up their capabilities to everyone, increasing the number of brothers liberated from the dictate of narrow-minded pseudo-artists. Literally (quoting the lines of a famous song): ''Arise, those who are branded by the curse, All the world's starving and enslaved! Our outraged minds are boiling, Ready to lead us into a deadly fight. We will destroy this world of violence Down to the foundations, and then We will build our new world. He who was nothing will become everything!'' Those who were previously a grain of sand for pseudo-artists now find their voice. And these voices merge into one, thundering like thunder over the heads of yesterday's tyrants.
>>19450 Really nice gens anon. I feel tempted to ask for your discord but I don't want my name to appear here haha... And even if not I don't know if we share the same chemistry other than liking shota
Man, drawing is not an easy task, it requires time and talent, people only draw for free when it's things they want to do, expecting all artists to draw you whatever you want for free is nonsense. If you really like art, then pay the artists who do it, if you're not going to do it, then be happy with what they post for free on their social media or websites. If that's not enough, there's still the option of learning to draw and doing it on your own, instead of begging for drawings via DM. When you see the time and dedication it takes to make a good drawing, you'll understand why they don't just accept any request from a random person via DM, and believe me, you're just one of many idiots who think artists are their employees, not counting the scammers and offended people who also write to them daily.
>>19452 Thank you. But I have no merit in these generations. All thanks to those people whose genius made all this possible. I am only a humble user of these incredible technologies. Unfortunately, I am not the kind of person who is suitable for communication and friendship. All because of my slowness and rare appearance online. But I can very happily in this thread tell you and everyone else in detail how to realize your fantasies with the help of neural networks. Believe me, it is really very, very simple. It is even easier than figuring out a video game of the Total War series. I can also generate some character for you, if you wanted it. But please keep in mind that neural networks are not yet absolutely omnipotent and I myself am far from being a luminary, but a newbie. >>19458 It seems that you read the thread diagonally and therefore did not understand the essence of the problem I raise. Because I have especially and repeatedly emphasized that I do not in any way imply that artists should draw everything for everyone. If I expected artists to unquestioningly draw everything I want, I would be no better than the profiteers I condemn. The point, as I have already said, is not in the refusals, but in how they are expressed and what they are based on. I have given examples. Regarding the fact that "drawing is work". One of my friends, an artist who does it from the heart and not for money, saw how one person asked "How can I get into drawing?", asked him the question: "Do you consider drawing work?" Having received the answer "Yes", he answered: "Then drawing is not for you." And he added: "Drawing is the image and meaning of life. I draw every day, for several hours. I draw even when I'm sick. Because I can't not draw. For me, drawing is almost a physical need, on the level of sleep and food. I get the same thrill from the process of drawing as a gamer gets from a game. If you consider drawing as work, a duty, a difficulty, and not as a passion, constant self-improvement, a search for new challenges and expression of thoughts that attract you, then you will quickly burn out and quit. Look for something, a business, in which your soul will sing." To be grateful only for the fact that they publish their drawings? This is exactly the same as if an artist were peremptorily ordered to draw something he does not like. There is a great Russian proverb: "It is impossible to love through force (Насильно мил не будешь). You can't be grateful for something that doesn't resonate in your heart and doesn't resonate with your dreams and experiences. Not to mention that such gratitude would be completely hypocritical and false. Respect the hundred thousandth drawing with Gwen, created only for the motivation of earning money and pleasing the masses? Respecting this is devaluing art, reducing it to a conveyor stamping. The artist publishes drawings primarily for himself, wanting to show himself to the world and find those who will not remain indifferent to his work. He does not run after people like an annoying traveling salesman, demanding respect only for the fact of publishing his drawings.
>>19467 That's good with me, I'm also slow and kind of asocial. At the very least we could release at least once and then move on with our lives.
>>19500 You can write to me on Pixiv, I visit it relatively often, unlike Discord, where I can go for weeks without visiting https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/86378952
>>19467 In fact, if you drawn for *yourself*, you're drawing for passion, but, if you're drawing *for others*, you're drawing *for work*, because is drawing that other people like, not what you like. So, if you expect to others to draw your shit, then pay the price. If instead of understand that, you send to the artist a long passive aggressive text about how they are not real artist for not drawing your shit for free, what do you expect? The time of people have a value.
>>19654 I wanted to tell you to read the thread carefully to understand what exactly it is that upsets me about the rejections, and not slander me with insinuations until I saw that you literally call loli and shota shit. After that, I have no choice but to give you a juicy kick in the ass, huckster, accompanied by a spit in the back of your head. Get out of here! A true pedosexual would never call loli and shota shit! You, hucksters, have become so brazen and out of touch with reality that you allow yourself to openly insult those and those on whom and how you make money. Look at the neural network-generated images attached to my posts. All of you, pseudo-artists, have six months left! However, I know what the reason is, that you, without even trying to pretend to be a pedosexual, rip off your mask and freak out in public. Because you can clearly see the imminent collapse of your business, built on exploiting the dreams of pedobears. Cry, worthless one. Soon the community will be finally free of you, parasites.
>>19742 yeah those look like shit >pedosexual LMAO
>>19177 Colombians are groomed because the bankers use their land as a base of operations. They are the most sour humans. Never trust anyone non-awoken colombians
>>19764 Wokeniggers are the most resented shits on this planet thoughbeit.
>>19746 >shit Well, that's what I'm talking about: for you, pseudo-artists, shotacon and lolicon are not a passion, but shit, and those who love loli and shota are "perverts" for you. Thank you for serving as proof of my theses. You hate us, pedosexuals, but you make money off of us. More precisely, you used to make money, because at the present time your earnings have come to an end. Very soon, you parasites will be forgotten; you will remain in the history of the community only as a tiny stinking spot. And now take a sip of urine and get lost. For me, a special kind of pleasure is reading the whining of pseudo-artists on Baraag about how neural networks "infringe" on them. >>19764 Thank you for enlightening me about the Colombians. Once upon a time I knew little about South America and treated it with benevolence and interest, but after I learned that Latin Americans occupied Sholikon to make money on it, I perceive this region with extreme hostility. Of course, there are true bros there too, but they are a minority and they themselves suffer from pseudo-artists.
>>19785 >loli Anon... Do hags now.
The paths to profit off either lolicon or shōtacon are very few now. I'm talking Subscribestar & Unifans, that and one other Japanese platform I'm not remembering the name of, and that's literally it. So either everyone flocks to those for-profit subscription platforms, or failing those platforms, Shōtacon will either cease to exist (it's already been banned from 99.99999%+ of the internet) or Shōtacon artists will produce content for free. Those who don't produce content for free don't love Shōtacon anyway and are merely Shekel seeking opportunists. By the way, a bit off topic but this thread has images of Nanachi. Has Nanachi's gender/sex been revealed yet? At least his/her sex before being transformed unto a usagi-like creature. After all these years, Made in Abyss and its creator should have revealed Nanachi's (former) gender by now. I haven't kept up with the show or the manga, but it's been many years since I looked into it. If Nanachi"s gender still hasn't been revealed, not only is that ridiculous, there's no insensitive in me returning to the series.


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