>>18725 Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>>18725 Long story short?

>>18725 >Many of us have more than once encountered the sad and disappointing situation when you write to your favorite artist about some interesting characters, but do not receive any response. Have you ever thought that some simply don't know/care about that particular niche character? >Almost everyone is familiar with cases when a modest and kind artist, having acquired money and fame, turned into a greedy and arrogant one. I think you're severely overestimating the amount of people that actually engage in some sort of meaningful way with an artist... especially the ones that draw shota/loli NSFW content >They may not paint for months if they don't have orders. This already happened (and continues to happen) even before monetization became popular >Another shocking revelation is that some of them are not loli and shotalovers, but came to drawing because it is a lucrative topic. "Money doesn't smell." They declare with cynical frankness that they hate what they draw and those they draw to, but they tolerate it because of the big money. "You're a broke, balding, fat, sweaty, old jerk who stinks of cum!" - a true loli/shota-bro will never say such words towards his brother. This is just simply dishonest, and makes no logic sense. Shota and loli is hated/feared by most normalfags in the internet. So if an artist already has a following it makes no logical sense, from the purely economic point of view, for an artist to take a risk at alienating most of their followers by simply trying to expand to a niche fanbase as loli/shota. In fact I argue the opposite is more likely to happen, and I've seen many examples of that already. >An excellent marker that allows you to determine whether this or that artist is bro or not is AI. Bro ardently supports AI, knowing what great happiness AI brings to brothers. But the non-bro, who is in the community only for mercantile reasons, begins to writhe from the AI like a vampire from a holy crucifix. Now I'm beginning to think you're just plain stupid... But maybe you just have some rose-tinted glasses outlook of the past. The fact is that nowadays we have a lot more shota/loli content (even ignoring AIslop and 3D renders) that we had before and most likely it is because of monetization.

>>18738 >>18737 Is it hard for you to read such a short text? Or are you from the TikTok generation, unable to concentrate on something that requires more than 10 seconds of attention? >>18741 >Have you ever thought that some simply don't know/care about that particular niche character? They don't say they don't know this character or that they're not interested in him. They don't respond to messages at all, considering it "beneath their dignity to honor a plebeian with an answer." >I think you're severely overestimating the amount of people that actually engage in some sort of meaningful way with an artist What do you mean by "meaningful interaction"? I knew people who communicated and became friends with artists when they were just starting out. But when the artists gained fame, they turned away from those who were with them at the beginning of their journey. >This is just simply dishonest, and makes no logic sense. Shota and loli is hated/feared by most normalfags in the internet. What do Normi ​​artists have to do with when I'm talking about Shota-Loli artists? Wake up, they are no longer marginalized, content with ten rare visitors in six months. Look how many subscribers TripleVexx and DevilTokyo have on Twitter. Hundreds of thousands! Drawing lolis and shotas has become very profitable. Try writing to them (TripleVexx and DevilTokyo). You won't get an answer from them. And they were rude to me and blacklisted me. Their pride is akin to Everest. Your "experience" of trying to contact them will be the best illustration of what I'm trying to convey by creating this thread. >Now I'm beginning to think you're just plain stupid... The fact that you are rude in response to a passage about AI gives you away as someone whose business plan was ruined by AI. I don't have a naive view of the past. Because it really was glorious. The community was small back then, but very friendly and sincere. I remember how artists were happy if at least one person noticed their drawing. You could contact them (the artists) without any difficulties. They were very responsive and welcoming, almost never refusing anyone. I sat on many imageboards and forums, now long forgotten.

The most rotten type of artist: those who promise and then start ignoring. Even people who make paid orders also face this. If the artist does not keep the promise of a free drawing, then he will also cheat you out of money.

>>18747 Note that she expresses hatred (DNI MAP) towards pedosexuals while drawing shotacon. The most unmistakable marker of a pseudo-shotacon artist.

>>18745 >Wake up, they are no longer marginalized Nigger please... U might just have the stupid

>>18749 When did "marginals" start gaining hundreds of thousands of followers on Twitter? Loli-shota artists used to be marginals, when they sat on forums with barely a hundred members. Even taking into account the spokes put in their wheels by "morality fighters", sholicon artists now have opportunities that their predecessors never dreamed of. >Nigger Not only are you greedy, you're also a racist.

Are there any real sholicons left on this board? I only see hucksters and trolls here.

>>18754 >hundreds of thousands of followers pics or it didn't happen

>>18755 Looks normal on the outside.

Artists are just human beings. They have their own life. They can draw whatever and interact with whoever they want. If you want to see more drawings of YOUR favorite characters, then learn to draw YOURSELF. Stop bothering people when all you can do is yapping and contribute nothing else.

>>18761 Were you too lazy to google the nicknames I gave above as examples? Here are the screenshots. >>18763 That's the thing, this board seems normal from the outside, while in reality there are practically no adequate and active people left here. I even think that thematic threads with images being bumping by script. >>18765 Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you answer without reading? Because I'm conveying that the problem is not that they don't draw the characters I like, but that they've gone into pure commerce, become arrogant and rude, and that many of them aren't even sholikons. And you've presented everything in such a light, as if I'm selfishly and capriciously whining because they don't draw me what I want.

>>18768 Judging by the your own printscreen you seem rather annoying and more likely than not artist like them get nutjobs like you daily, so it is a rather normal response to just block these kind people. Secondly I don't see those guys drawing the ol' shit that you claim they are (at least not for TripleVexx) > I even think that thematic threads with images being bumping by script. I can only assume by that, that you yourself are not really posting anything of value, but rather are just posting bitchy rants about you not getting free gibs. >as if I'm selfishly and capriciously whining because they don't draw me what I want. But you are... You can try and rationalize your behavior all you want, but at the end of day you're just frustrated that you don't get free shit.

>>18769 I can tell from your hostile reaction that you are one of the pseudo-artists. Are you talking about this >>18747 screenshot? If so, are you deliberately not noticing how much time has passed since each of my messages? I waited patiently and respectfully, without reminding you of myself, for several months, although they promised to draw me in the coming days. And when I finally, carefully reminded you of myself, they did not answer me. For the sake of decency, I waited a couple of weeks and wrote again. And again I was ignored. I did not pester in private messages every day, I was patient like few others. But for you, pseudo-artists, such concepts as honor and loyalty to your word/promise do not exist. >free shit Which is what needed to be proven. Sholicon is shit for you, not love and passion. I will take a screenshot. You simply cannot find a better proof of my words that you draw only for money, and hate us, sholicons.

A striking example of a pseudo-artist.

>>19004 You deserve to be blocked ya autistic fucking chimp

>>19014 Huckster, don't freak out. You don't have much time left to shamelessly profit off our community. More and more brothers are gaining freedom through AI.

>>19004 I couldn't help but notice that you said you would politely say goodbye and leave were the artist to refuse your request, only to press them further when they refused

>>19041 In the thread header I clearly voiced the idea that I do not consider those who draw only for money to be sholikons and artists. For me, they are like dirt from under my fingernails. Parasites who have attached themselves to the sholikon community. I call for their decisive boycott, cancellation and the harshest ostracism, letting them know that they have no place among us. He should be grateful that I responded to his shameless greed not with rude insults, but only with reproaches. "Pressing", haha. That's the point, I only gently pressed on his conscience, while they need to be CRUSHED like cockroaches.

>>19024 >>19050 Could you kindly fuck off? If you like AI so much, go chat with an AIbot, maybe it will stand your autistic behavior and won't call for the insignificant little shit you are

>>19051 You're mad because I came to ruin the comfort of hucksters like you, conveying to the brothers that they are not the only ones who are tired and angry about what the sholicon community has become because of people like you. But no matter how mad you are, you will not be able to cancel, let alone delay, the inevitable. I see how the number of those who join the AI ​​is growing, sweeping away the privileged bastards like you, who have been reveling in their power for years. When I created the same topic in /delicious, the dealers, scared by HOW MANY people expressed their anger at the pseudo-artists, achieved the deletion of the thread that was inconvenient for them. I almost forgot about this piquant detail about this character (DenSekkusu) >>19004 : he sends the AI ​​to hell, he himself saves it in his bookmarks. Pathetic hypocrite and liar.

You are watching artists grow, and grow old as well Most young people vote left of center, most old people right of center. It's natural when you start making money and paying taxes and doing a business that your worldview changes. Also many artists work full time on the side (or will soon once they are done with college), so now they have two jobs, upping prices makes sense to make it more lucrative and to spend precious free time to get us all gooning material It's a cycle, it repeats itself consistently, there is no use to whine about it when upcoming artists "make it" and can use the effect of their own hard work to benefit themselves

>>19074 Age and political vector mean little. I have met both sympathetic and kind older artists and inexpressibly greedy young beginners who, without really having subscribers and a full gallery, were already rolling out a price list with exorbitant prices. It was especially disgusting when people positioning themselves as representatives of extreme left views, whose profiles are completely decorated with rainbow flags, hammers and sickles, preaching help to the poor and oppressed, harshly demanded impressive money from me, knowing full well that I do not have it, and what country I am from. It is clear why the left is failing all over the world, and the USA elected Trump. People are tired of the lies and duplicity of the left. The right is also crap, but at least not so hypocritical. What? Sholicon is a business? Not love, not passion, not the meaning of life, but a business? Do you even understand what a monstrous thing you just said? We value art, not cold, calculating business. Pseudo-artists accuse AI of having no soul, while in fact there is no soul in their drawings, created not out of passion, but for a fee. We do not need such "art". In addition to the spiritual aspect, there are other reasons why considering sholikon as a business is madness. Sholicon (its creation, storage, payment for it) is in the zone of criminal prosecution in many countries. There are fewer and fewer platforms where it can be monetized. Most of the audience is not rich, the number and reach there are not as big as furries. I remember the old days when the sholicon community was small and cozy. When there were no barriers between ordinary sholicons and artists. People drew not for the sake of earning money (they didn't even think about it then, considering it a threat to their own and others' safety, as well as blasphemy, because love is not for sale), but out of love for cute lolis and shotas, and also wanting to find those who would share your feelings. When each participant was remembered and known, and people began to worry if he disappeared for longer than a month. Then everyone was one of their own, and not one of faceless thousands. It was impossible to imagine then that creative sholicons would become a separate caste that would look down on their brothers and demand payment from them.

And one more important note. Probably many have noticed that most of the current sholicon-pseudo-artists/hucksters are from South America. The savvy South Americans saw in this a profitable way to make money on, as they call Europeans, Slavs and North Americans, gringos and pendejos. They hate us and sholicon, considering us perverts, but "money has no smell". Before, without knowing about it, I sympathized (knowing that South America is a poor region) with South American artists, thinking that sometimes, in addition to drawings for the soul, they draw paid orders, as a significant addition to their main work. But it turned out that they COMPLETELY turned sholicon into a business. Now I hate them as much as the greedy Western rich hucksters.

>>19112 >>19113 Because the entire world and its culture have gone to shit. Until we un-fuck the world, this will continue, just like everything else that has gone to shit. >People are tired of the lies and duplicity of the left. The right is also crap, but at least not so hypocritical. If the right would stop it's blatant hate for sex, nudity, "dirty words," fantasy, video games, cartoons/anime, and just overall FUN, the left wouldn't win (m)any elections in the first place. The right is now in power in multiple European countries, Japan, and soon to be the U.S. They would be wise to stop shaming people for having fun, or that rise to power will be very short-lived.

>>19117 That the world is heading for the abyss is an indisputable fact. But I will not regret it if it perishes. With a few exceptions, I no longer believe in humanity. The right, unlike the left, does not wear masks, immediately revealing its aggressive totalitarian essence, so the threat emanating from them is obvious. Whereas the left promises freedom, equality, brotherhood and justice, but in reality builds exactly the same tyranny as the right. Therefore, people, disappointedly waving their hands, went to the right, arguing that if there is a dictatorship, then without false decorations depicting happiness and freedom; if there is to be a death, then without deception and false hopes. Here the artists Honeyshot and JohnBlack was a striking example of such a lying leftists.

I would like to especially note this Latin American scum (he is from Colombia). In his profile he writes about himself "Cuddly ✖️ Shy ✖️ Good boi ✖️ pats ur head ~ Summer Camp island ⭐️". But in personal communication he is extremely cold and aggressive, always throwing those who write to him in PM. I have heard complaints about this two-faced bastard from more than one person. With all my heart I wish him a painful death, one day falling into the clutches of one of the gangs that are actively in charge in his country. Yes, I do not take back my words. People like him are enemies to me on the level of the FBI and "morality fighters".

Nobody cares Ivan, go rape some orphans or something

>>19177 Post ethnic dk.

>>19178 And when were you authorized to speak on behalf of everyone? YOU personally don't care, not everyone. Secondly, I am a stranger to violence. And no, I am not one of those hypocritical pseudo-sholicons who distance themselves from pedosexuals by posting DNI MAPS in their profiles. It's just that reciprocity is important to me. And I also understand that my fantasies and reality are different; hentai doujinshi plots and scenes are extremely rare or impossible in life. Regarding my "reconquista" against pseudo-artists, I am not alone in my struggle. >>19179 I don't quite understand what you mean? If you're talking about my dislike for Latin American (pseudo)artists, then earlier in the thread I voiced the reasons why I have an extremely negative attitude towards them. They share first place with North Americans in my anti-rating

>>18725 Did you post this simply because Twitter was dying or because AI was growing?

>>19181 Not here of course but post your dick.

Now I will tell you about the rarest case of a caring and sympathetic refusal. I take off my hat in respect. People like Mystic Hobo, I, hand on heart, call TRUE SHOLICONS. At such moments, it especially hurts me because I am poor and have no money, because I really want to thank such people with a generous donation as a sign of my appreciation. Appreciate and take care of people like Mystic Hobo. They are our last bastion. >>19186 Did you even read the text of the thread header? >>19191 Why should I do this? I am not a cute 2D shota-boy, but a grown sullen man.

>>19204 I would like to have a fellow shotacon (boy)friend to fap with. >grown sullen man Better.

>>19214 And horny aside how the fuck do you survive as a shotacon during wartime?

>>19214 Unfortunately, I am not the kind of person who is made for relationships. There are many people in the world who can become your partner. Whereas, due to the peculiarities of my personality/psychotype, I am not at all suited for constant communication and relationships. This is not feigned modesty, I just know myself well. >>19217 To protect myself, I do not live on Russian sites and use a VPN. Posting shotacon on Russian sites is akin to suicide. People are arrested even for completely innocent drawn images with lolis and shotas. They are even persecuted for erotica with adult characters: gazeta.ru/social/news/2024/12/03/24533684.shtml Russia is turning into some kind of Iran. And that is why, when I am rudely refused help in the outside world, it becomes so painful. Many of those who live in first world countries do not understand that for me paying is not only impossible due to lack of money, but also dangerous. I remember when the community was small and cautious, everything was different: everyone valued each other. To talk about money in those days was blasphemy and recklessness, such a person was looked upon as a suicide bomber who decided to voluntarily surrender himself into the clutches of the police.

"Commodity-money relations" have a detrimental effect on the relationships between community members, introducing inequality. Some become superior to others. Many ideas and characters are rejected and forgotten, because creativity is on the rails of the mainstream. A barrier appears, ease of communication disappears. Someone who can draw begins to see you not as a fellow with whom he can discuss ideas and characters, but as a beggar. And someone who cannot draw, in turn, begins to be afraid to write to the one who draws, thinking that he will consider him insincere, wanting only to receive a drawing. The principle of asabiyya/commune is the only option if we want sholiсon not to disappear. You must remember that, unlike other communities, we walk under the sword of Damocles. You have forgotten the times when finding a fellow sholiсon on the Internet was considered an incredible rarity and happiness. You have forgotten that fear and loneliness. People are what matter, not money. Once the sword falls on our heads, you will understand what a mistake you made by trading your brothers for money and glory.

>>19258 Very well said. Much better written than anything I could've written and with a better temperament and mood than mine. My own assessment or preliminary diagnosis is that sholicon (that is, both shōtacon & lolicon) is veering toward extinction. Most of the sholicon resources I know of are gone (Little Angels Hentai, Flatchan, you name it), as are nearly every single personal artist website (save for Incognitymous) are likewise gone. Sholicon has been nearly universally banned everywhere. Sholicon can't even be marketed or profited from on Pixiv. Hell, if you have your country settings to USA on Pixiv, you're not even allowed to view Sholicon. France banned access to ATF entirely, then ATF disappears. Of all the world's worsening woes, the United Nations General Secretariat decides to waste time and money on an international universal ban on Sholicon. I'm also not encouraged by the fact that of the Sholicon artists I've had the displeasure of interacting with, the only one who wasn't an asshole was Funnibizness. Alas, he's disappeared. Which is something else I should mention, the disappearance of so very many Sholicon content creators. When two of the last places for Shōtacons, last places on Earth, that I could refer them to is here at 8ch.moe/sm and at Shotaworld, the situation is far beyond apocalyptic.

>>19256 > I remember when the community was small and cautious, everything was different: everyone valued each other. To talk about money in those days was blasphemy and recklessness, such a person was looked upon as a suicide bomber who decided to voluntarily surrender himself into the clutches of the police. Bullshit, shotacon became a thing only because of money, cause in Japan people could openly sell their artwork, almost all of the modern shotacon artist were influenced by the original shotacon artist from Japan, that surprise surprise, sold their work and made some buck and thus kept drawing and slowly the community grew. If not for them we would only have shitty comic book style shota content. Whether you like it or not, it is only because of money that the community grew so much, same thing happened during the renaissance, IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.

>>19259 How happy and touched I am to finally see a response that understands and shares my fears and sadness. Before this, no one wrote here except for trolls, hucksters and just bots, as if confirming the now popular theory of the dead Internet. I too noticed an extremely disturbing trend that those who were sincere with us and understood us as a brother understands a brother are practically gone online. Their accounts have long been abandoned. Today's (pseudo)artists are filled with such off-the-scale arrogance that even the most odious of aristocrats would envy their narcissism. We are experiencing a catastrophe. >>19261 You are so mad with greed that you are talking complete nonsense. According to your insane logic, it turns out that people become sholicons not because they were born that way, but because of money. Unlike you, the profiteers who profit off of us, WE WERE BORN PEDOSEXUAL! WE LOVE LOLI AND SHOTA, not money! Your logic is akin to homophobic stereotypes that claim that gays are not born, but made. People drew sholicon because they were driven by FEELINGS, the DESIRE to visualize their fantasies about their favorite characters. You are simply bursting with greed and anger. You are so furious that people like me, old-timers, do not let you, profiteers, destroy the memory of the old days, when the community was built on the principles of solidarity. I remember how artists used to draw because they wanted to share their love with others and find a response. They were always open to communication and ideas. I remember the old days and old artists. And you can't take this memory away from me! You, a profiteer, cannot understand the ESSENCE OF ART. An artist paints not for money, but because he likes the process of painting itself!

Well, this is just a COMBO huckster!

>>19292 You never dealt with the crop/shinji fag did you.

Recently, an old friend of mine expressed himself wonderfully on this whole situation. For him, those who draw sholikon solely for money are like those Jews who traded the lives of their fellow tribesmen in the Warsaw Ghetto, knowing full well that they too would suffer the fate of those they betrayed and sold. He also added that he does not understand those who compare sholikon with regular hentai and regular art in general and claim that sholikon is created only for money. Sholikon, as he says, is in a gray area, comparable to the life of underground partisans. And partisans fight not for money and glory, but for their beliefs. Anticipating a possible political squabble: neither I nor my friend are anti-Semites, but at the same time we are not Judeophiles. >>19292 When you have nothing to say in response, you stoop to banal insults.

>>19295 Oh, I've dealt with him, this is just so condensed in a single thread, that's a good thing at least. >>19296 >What is shitposting?

>>19297 Do you have some kind of trauma related to autism? Do you want to talk about it? By attributing autism to me because I created and am bumping this thread, you are clearly showing how mad you are that someone has demonstrated your essence as leeches sucking on the sholicon community. Do you think I am a loner and can only toothlessly post appeals and warnings? I am with a group of those who are angry at pseudo-artists, punishing them by destroying their Twitters and Patreons. For example, Harmarist, Honeyshot and RISUKOYAMA (https://x.com/risukoyama) lost their accounts because of their arrogance. We are preparing a new wave of crushing attacks on those who betrayed their brothers.

>>19292 How do you know this is "autismo?"

>>19314 I suppose it could be dementia too, but I'm more inclined to think it is autism >>19313 Kys faggot

>>19317 You're beyond delusional and your posts don't contribute whatsoever to this thread. No one takes you seriously and I, for one, don't care an iota about your input on anything. You're not qualified to diagnose Autism spectrum or anything else. Yet you think "kill yourself, faggot" (on a niche yaoi subforum, no less) is some sort of original snapback that anyone would find serious. Absent taking it seriously, which no one will, it's not even funny. You're delusional because you continue posting (pointless garbage, mind you) thinking your input is welcome or in any way valued.

>>19319 Didn't ask Kys faggot

>>19123 >The right, unlike the left, does not wear masks, immediately revealing its aggressive totalitarian essence, so the threat emanating from them is obvious. Whereas the left promises freedom, equality, brotherhood and justice, but in reality builds exactly the same tyranny as the right. Pretty much, yeah.

Another striking example of a pseudo-artist.

>>19319 He >>19328 is either some kind of troll shotahater, or, most likely, a profiteer who is furious that he and others like him have had their masks ripped off in this thread. This is how they, not being pedosexuals themselves, actually treat those who order drawings from them. They fawn, feign friendliness, but in reality they hate us with a vengeance. And when we write to them asking for help for free, thinking that they are our brothers, they, seeing no need for pretense, show their true colors. Therefore, the best we can do is simply ignore him. Let him rage in impotent anger at his exposure, his inadequacy serving as the best proof of the theses about pseudo-artists from the thread header.

I am the kind of person who always gives a "credit of trust" to the person I start communicating with. Until the very end, I believe that the person will be adequate and will make peace. But here (screenshot), as almost always (it feels like all these pseudo-artists are churned out on a conveyor belt, they are so similar to each other), this is not the case. Not only did he not want to part peacefully, but he also blacklisted me, although at the end I openly hinted that I was ready to make peace and say goodbye without holding a grudge against each other. I was ready to admit that I was wrong, and he would turn out not to be a huckster, but our brother, and we simply misunderstood each other at first. But, alas, no, he really is a 100% huckster. Well, I wish his shitty loved ones to die in agony; I'm sick of bastards justifying their vileness by caring for their loved ones. If he thinks that my politeness, restraint and apologies are weakness, then let him pay dearly for it. I am one of those who try to solve everything in a good way, but, having exhausted all possibilities, become merciless like Tsar Ivan the Terrible. Well, as expected, this asshole, as expected, turned out to be another Latino who came to the community to make money on "stupid perverted gringos".

>>18725 Well, well, well, what do we have here.... The thread of an autistic guy who just wants free drawings using stupid excuses. Go learn to draw or get yourself a job mama's boy, and if you can't do either, there's always the trusty AI to bring your ideas to life.

>>19399 What kind of kindergarten-level rhetoric is this? You simply have absolutely nothing to counter with on the merits, so you resorted to such a banal method as reducing all the facts that are inconvenient for you to nonsense. For you, the main thing in the drawings is not their content, but whether they were paid for or not. Thus, you only confirm the problem that I voiced in this thread.

>>19413 Pick up a pencil.

>>19414 Are you all created with this "take a pencil" in a clone factory? Take a pencil? So that at my age (I'm already over 20), absolutely unable to draw and never having had a craving for drawing before, I can scribble something like a chimpanzee dragging a stick through the sand? A great way to mock people, stroking your ego, you came up with, right? This is the shit we want to finish with you, expelling your gang of swindlers from the community once and for all. Let me outline your near future, profiteer. Given the rapid development of neural networks, your drawings will soon be of no use to anyone, even for free. It will not be people who ask you, but you who will ask them to at least somehow appreciate your drawings. And therefore, the only way to remain interesting to people is to be sincere and create from the heart and for the soul, to see in those who write to you not freeloaders, but brothers. And only in this way you can be useful to them and even get donations from them. Why do I, having access to the capabilities of AI, continue to write to artists? I already voiced the reason above in the thread - revenge. Revenge for what they did to our community. I figure out those of them who are pseudo-artists, and then, after a while, having coordinated with dozens of people like me, avengers, we strike at their accounts (PayPal, Twitter/X, Patreon/Busti). If I were indifferent, I would peacefully enjoy myself with AI, but I am a passionary and a person who deeply hates lies. So I repay them for everything they have done.

No wonder people think all vatniks are insane

>>19416 How can I be a vatnik if I hate Putin and the war he unleashed? But I also despise the West. For their indecisiveness in helping Ukraine and the hypocrisy of the so-called left (I wrote about them in this thread). Trump won because people were tired of the cowardly Biden and the lying SJW. I told how the SJW (pseudo-artist Honeyshot, for example), who preach help to the poor and oppressed, refused me, rudely demanding money from me. If I were an American, I would vote for Trump. He had just come to power, and Putin was already shaking in his boots, and soyjaks were hysterical. The Russian opposition is very disappointed in the West. It believed that NATO would strike the Kremlin in the first weeks of the war, thereby saving not only Ukraine, but also freeing Russia from Putin and the vatniks.

>>19417 Your country needs a new fucking flag.

>>19399 >autistic guy I can't tell that from "ADHD."

Today in the correspondence I found another example of a respectful and caring refusal. Why can't all people be such sweethearts? They are so insanely greedy and fixated only on money that they get so mad that someone asked for them for free, like a brother to a brother. Instead of politely and caringly refusing, avoiding sharp corners, they push the issue of money, they are so twisted with anger that they consider even a pauper like me as lost profit, blaming me for the fact that I can't pay. They see us not as brothers, but as profit, and they value not ideas/characters, but as profitability. >>19421 I am not Ukrainian, I am Russian and I live in Russia. And I do not need this unfortunate Ukraine, which the psychopath Putin has dug into with all his claws, sowing death and destruction. But a nuclear strike would look good in the place of the Kremlin. The Russian hinterland hates Moscow, which sucks the life out of the rest of the country. While Moscow grows rich, the provinces wither and become depopulated.

>Claims AI is better than real art >Stills begs for free shit to artist

>>19328 I didn't ask you. Now neck yourself, fucktard.

I want to emphasize a couple of important points. Unlike a real sholicon, pseudo-artists are always given away by the extremely limited pool of characters and the list of cartoons/anime presented in their drawings. A real sholicon is always happy to meet some new loli/shota character. Yes, not every character may appeal to him, but in general, you can tell from the person that he is not against discovering some new heroes. Well, and just talking to you, like brother to brother, he will only be glad. Well, here are a couple more "red markers" that indicate that you are dealing with a huckster: a pseudo-artist will never ask you to tell him about other characters if he did not find the one he was initially offered interesting, and he will also react aggressively if you yourself suggest someone else for him. The second point. Some people here have the impression that I am fixated on Evan. This is not true at all. I just did not talk about other characters. And there are many! For example, pseudo-artists met Nanachi and Nata with exactly the same coldness. Just remember: no matter what interesting, original and sexy characters you offer, a pseudo-artist/huckster is not interested in them, because the only thing that attracts him is money and only money. >>19428 In the thread I already explained >>19415 why, despite AI, I continue to write to artists.

>>19436 >Nanachi and Nata Nat *fixed*

>>19432 >No u >>19436 Kys faggot, you're a blight on this world, you sow only ruin wherever you go out of spite for being born as such a pathetic loser

>>19438 Mmm... this butthurt is delicious! I feel like Cartman, drinking in the tears of his enemies. Someone blew up your Twitter/Patreon that you've been so to nurture for years? Cry, huckster! Cry! For you, who have become a sarcoma for the sholicon community, it's all (retribution) just beginning. The trumpeters of apocalyptica are already sounding!

This is so autistic. Please continue, I find so little that amuses me these days.

>>19439 I'm not even an artist, but I despise piss poor fags that are jealous of the talent of other people. Keep coping thinking that anything you do actually matters.

>>19440 I suspect you're trying to put a good face on a bad game. When a person has butt hurt, but he's trying his best to show that he's calm, but from the outside it looks so strained and ridiculous that it looks worse than hysteria. >>19441 I've never envied talent. I've always admired and respected it. But my admiration and respect for talent should not be confused with servility. No one is irreplaceable. And if a talented person starts to be too proud of himself and considers others to be shit, he needs to be brought down to earth. Many, unfortunately, still profess the naive Pushkin maxim: "Genius and villainy are incompatible", considering talented people infallible. Whereas reality is expressed in the caustic phrase of the incomparable actress Faina Georgievna Ranevskaya: "Talent is like a pimple - it jumps up on any ass." With these words, she conveyed with her characteristic sarcastic elegance that talents, unfortunately, often go to very disgusting people and therefore one cannot respect a person only for talent. Well, I admit that you are not an artist. Then it is worse. You are a cuckold. Do you think that the profiteers will appreciate the fact that you defend them? You are nothing and nobody to them, a grain of sand in the sea. You are like that person from the meme who defends capital without having any capital himself; and no, I am not a communist, I think that both capitalism and communism are sort of shit. You are like the black manager from "Django Unchained", where he was a devoted servant of the plantation owners, mercilessly exploiting his fellows, being almost crueler than his master

>>19446 Ok honest question, you're poor but how do you manage GOOD SHOTA content then? Genning locally isn't cheap you know and I have to know how to do it myself.

>>19447 *manage to generate

>>19447 For generation with excellent quality and high speed, NVIDIA 2060S almost six years old and ComfyUI software shell are enough. I also used to think that generating locally is very difficult and expensive due to the cost of the computer components required for this. I assembled my computer from components from the secondary market (flea market), keeping within only 300 dollars (if you convert the amount in rubles to dollars). I saved up for four months, putting this amount aside from small side jobs. While, just a minute, a hand-made drawing of at least a somewhat acceptable level costs 80-100 dollars. And some (cynical scum OkYumir, for example) prices start at 200 dollars. Bastards do not understand that what is a throwaway amount for a North American and Western European, for second and third world countries is impressive money. Because of the profiteers, a destructive and humiliating segregation has arisen in the community, where everything is available only to those who can pay. I don't hold a grudge against the rich, it's not their fault that (pseudo)artists are so greedy. Moreover, they also become victims of profiteers. How many people were deceived out of money when a huckster (and not some one-day account, but one with a solid reputation), having collected an advance payment from a bunch of people, disappeared. And when a person, having paid a lot of money, discovered that the drawing was much worse than other works of this same pseudo-artist. Drawings can be unforgivably delayed for almost years, and for any reminders a person receives reproaches and even rudeness from the (pseudo)artist. Sometimes (pseudo)artists even publicly, yes, not in personal messages, but by posting correspondence publicly, ridiculed customers whose ideas seemed strange, funny or boring to them. There are many such stories in this video and in the comments below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YGgxv44F4k It is not surprising that the author of the video claims that she is happy about the emergence of AI, although she used to be very loyal to artists. I am accused here of only complaining and destroying. But I am also engaged in "preaching" (proselytizing) about neural networks, opening up their capabilities to everyone, increasing the number of brothers liberated from the dictate of narrow-minded pseudo-artists. Literally (quoting the lines of a famous song): ''Arise, those who are branded by the curse, All the world's starving and enslaved! Our outraged minds are boiling, Ready to lead us into a deadly fight. We will destroy this world of violence Down to the foundations, and then We will build our new world. He who was nothing will become everything!'' Those who were previously a grain of sand for pseudo-artists now find their voice. And these voices merge into one, thundering like thunder over the heads of yesterday's tyrants.

>>19450 Really nice gens anon. I feel tempted to ask for your discord but I don't want my name to appear here haha... And even if not I don't know if we share the same chemistry other than liking shota

Man, drawing is not an easy task, it requires time and talent, people only draw for free when it's things they want to do, expecting all artists to draw you whatever you want for free is nonsense. If you really like art, then pay the artists who do it, if you're not going to do it, then be happy with what they post for free on their social media or websites. If that's not enough, there's still the option of learning to draw and doing it on your own, instead of begging for drawings via DM. When you see the time and dedication it takes to make a good drawing, you'll understand why they don't just accept any request from a random person via DM, and believe me, you're just one of many idiots who think artists are their employees, not counting the scammers and offended people who also write to them daily.

>>19452 Thank you. But I have no merit in these generations. All thanks to those people whose genius made all this possible. I am only a humble user of these incredible technologies. Unfortunately, I am not the kind of person who is suitable for communication and friendship. All because of my slowness and rare appearance online. But I can very happily in this thread tell you and everyone else in detail how to realize your fantasies with the help of neural networks. Believe me, it is really very, very simple. It is even easier than figuring out a video game of the Total War series. I can also generate some character for you, if you wanted it. But please keep in mind that neural networks are not yet absolutely omnipotent and I myself am far from being a luminary, but a newbie. >>19458 It seems that you read the thread diagonally and therefore did not understand the essence of the problem I raise. Because I have especially and repeatedly emphasized that I do not in any way imply that artists should draw everything for everyone. If I expected artists to unquestioningly draw everything I want, I would be no better than the profiteers I condemn. The point, as I have already said, is not in the refusals, but in how they are expressed and what they are based on. I have given examples. Regarding the fact that "drawing is work". One of my friends, an artist who does it from the heart and not for money, saw how one person asked "How can I get into drawing?", asked him the question: "Do you consider drawing work?" Having received the answer "Yes", he answered: "Then drawing is not for you." And he added: "Drawing is the image and meaning of life. I draw every day, for several hours. I draw even when I'm sick. Because I can't not draw. For me, drawing is almost a physical need, on the level of sleep and food. I get the same thrill from the process of drawing as a gamer gets from a game. If you consider drawing as work, a duty, a difficulty, and not as a passion, constant self-improvement, a search for new challenges and expression of thoughts that attract you, then you will quickly burn out and quit. Look for something, a business, in which your soul will sing." To be grateful only for the fact that they publish their drawings? This is exactly the same as if an artist were peremptorily ordered to draw something he does not like. There is a great Russian proverb: "It is impossible to love through force (Насильно мил не будешь). You can't be grateful for something that doesn't resonate in your heart and doesn't resonate with your dreams and experiences. Not to mention that such gratitude would be completely hypocritical and false. Respect the hundred thousandth drawing with Gwen, created only for the motivation of earning money and pleasing the masses? Respecting this is devaluing art, reducing it to a conveyor stamping. The artist publishes drawings primarily for himself, wanting to show himself to the world and find those who will not remain indifferent to his work. He does not run after people like an annoying traveling salesman, demanding respect only for the fact of publishing his drawings.

>>19467 That's good with me, I'm also slow and kind of asocial. At the very least we could release at least once and then move on with our lives.

>>19500 You can write to me on Pixiv, I visit it relatively often, unlike Discord, where I can go for weeks without visiting https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/86378952

>>19467 In fact, if you drawn for *yourself*, you're drawing for passion, but, if you're drawing *for others*, you're drawing *for work*, because is drawing that other people like, not what you like. So, if you expect to others to draw your shit, then pay the price. If instead of understand that, you send to the artist a long passive aggressive text about how they are not real artist for not drawing your shit for free, what do you expect? The time of people have a value.

>>19654 I wanted to tell you to read the thread carefully to understand what exactly it is that upsets me about the rejections, and not slander me with insinuations until I saw that you literally call loli and shota shit. After that, I have no choice but to give you a juicy kick in the ass, huckster, accompanied by a spit in the back of your head. Get out of here! A true pedosexual would never call loli and shota shit! You, hucksters, have become so brazen and out of touch with reality that you allow yourself to openly insult those and those on whom and how you make money. Look at the neural network-generated images attached to my posts. All of you, pseudo-artists, have six months left! However, I know what the reason is, that you, without even trying to pretend to be a pedosexual, rip off your mask and freak out in public. Because you can clearly see the imminent collapse of your business, built on exploiting the dreams of pedobears. Cry, worthless one. Soon the community will be finally free of you, parasites.

>>19742 yeah those look like shit >pedosexual LMAO

>>19177 Colombians are groomed because the bankers use their land as a base of operations. They are the most sour humans. Never trust anyone non-awoken colombians

>>19764 Wokeniggers are the most resented shits on this planet thoughbeit.

>>19746 >shit Well, that's what I'm talking about: for you, pseudo-artists, shotacon and lolicon are not a passion, but shit, and those who love loli and shota are "perverts" for you. Thank you for serving as proof of my theses. You hate us, pedosexuals, but you make money off of us. More precisely, you used to make money, because at the present time your earnings have come to an end. Very soon, you parasites will be forgotten; you will remain in the history of the community only as a tiny stinking spot. And now take a sip of urine and get lost. For me, a special kind of pleasure is reading the whining of pseudo-artists on Baraag about how neural networks "infringe" on them. >>19764 Thank you for enlightening me about the Colombians. Once upon a time I knew little about South America and treated it with benevolence and interest, but after I learned that Latin Americans occupied Sholikon to make money on it, I perceive this region with extreme hostility. Of course, there are true bros there too, but they are a minority and they themselves suffer from pseudo-artists.

>>19785 >loli Anon... Do hags now.

The paths to profit off either lolicon or shōtacon are very few now. I'm talking Subscribestar & Unifans, that and one other Japanese platform I'm not remembering the name of, and that's literally it. So either everyone flocks to those for-profit subscription platforms, or failing those platforms, Shōtacon will either cease to exist (it's already been banned from 99.99999%+ of the internet) or Shōtacon artists will produce content for free. Those who don't produce content for free don't love Shōtacon anyway and are merely Shekel seeking opportunists. By the way, a bit off topic but this thread has images of Nanachi. Has Nanachi's gender/sex been revealed yet? At least his/her sex before being transformed unto a usagi-like creature. After all these years, Made in Abyss and its creator should have revealed Nanachi's (former) gender by now. I haven't kept up with the show or the manga, but it's been many years since I looked into it. If Nanachi"s gender still hasn't been revealed, not only is that ridiculous, there's no insensitive in me returning to the series.

I remembered a couple more assholes (see screenshots). Tell me, would you pay these people? Do you think that those who pay are protected from ghosting/fraud and banal rudeness? There are thousands of dramas when people paid a lot of money to pseudo-artists, and then they were ignored for months, and sometimes they were left with nothing. Remember: those who treat the poor like this will treat the rich no better. These are deeply cynical, heartless businessmen, completely devoid of empathy and love. ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR MONEY. And the drawings are just a screen covering their main desire. >>19794 Sorry. I just posted this image as an example of HOW FAR the progress of neural networks has come. This is a new iteration of SDXL, called Illustrious-XL, freed from the lion's share of problems (glitchy hands and strange poses, for example). >>19797 Thank you for your post. It's not often that people write here who are able to comment on the situation on the merits, sensibly, without aggression and bias. Regarding the reduction of sites for publishing sholikon and earning money on it. Once upon a time, such a feast in terms of monetization and mass, as there was in the mid-2010s, was unthinkable. Sholicons huddled on tiny forums and imageboards with a couple of hundred people at best. And despite this, new content appeared in abundance. Creativity was even more active then than now. It's just that a considerable part of the content layer created in those days has not reached us. When the migration to Twitter began, which for some reason began to turn a blind eye to sholicon, the old-timers warned that such a holiday would not last long. But few listened to them; almost everyone believed in the illusion that sholicon was now in the legal field. The normies were furious and under their pressure the sites started deleting lolis and shotas. Sholicon is now returning to its origins, where there were no extra people (traders). Only those who came to sholicon to make money are moaning and complaining. No one and nothing can forbid real pedosexuals to love lolis and shotas; they will always draw the images that attract them, sharing their feelings with their brothers. Regarding Nanachi's gender. It hasn't been revealed yet. But Tsukushi said that Nanachi's gender was left a mystery on purpose so that everyone could choose it (the gender) according to their view of the character. I see Nanachi as a boy.

I recently learned that Baraag.net (by the way, what kind of idiotic name is that for a platform about lolis and shotas?) is in crisis. From a platform that used to be a home for pedosexuals, it has long since turned into a club for pseudo-artists/hucksters, closing registration for ordinary people. I watch its collapse with glee.

A familiar "pattern": a warm greeting, a promise, and then ghosting (ignoring). When I couldn't stand their behavior and reproached them, saying that machines replace artists because they don't betray or deceive, I was blacklisted. Pathetic nonentity. P.S. Pay attention to the time intervals between each of my messages. P.P.S. Respect yourself and sholicon, don't order anything from such people. Don't support liars and profiteers.

You're such an insufferable fucking faggot Kill yourself already

>>20472 Well, let's say I killed myself. But what does that give you? My death won't stop the AI. Knowing that you can't resist the neural networks, you made me the personification of your hatred for them, as if I were SHODAN or Skynet. You're furious that I remind your gang of pseudo-artists that your parasitism is coming to an end.

>>20505 I won't have to see your shitty thread here anymore, so I see that as I win, that's how little your life is worth

>>20525 I am flattered that I am causing such fury in you and your tribe of pseudo-artists. It means that I am doing everything right, and my efforts to educate the community and reveal to them the true nature and motive of so-called artists are not in vain.

>>20525 fuck you ass hole.

>>20472 you go first fucktard

I won't do commissions for cash or try to sell art that's based on a cartoon or anime character. I don't need the extra money and it's wrong to bust a copyright. And let's face it...a lot of shota/loli artists hocking their work don't deserve any cash.

I think OP enjoys arguing.

>>20549 That's ok, nobody would pay for that shit anyway >it's wrong to bust a copyright Might as well stop posting here and consuming any media outside their original official sources, after all it is all copyrighted... So go back to Twitter

>>20549 Glad to hear it. You've noticed a very important aspect that I kept forgetting to mention here. All these pseudo-artists shamelessly exploit (steal) other people's intellectual property, trampling on the very concept of FAN art - a selfless, sincere expression of love for a character. They're just lucky that copyright holders and authors have no time to search for and sue those who used the images they created for commercial purposes. I can't be called an apologist for copywriting, but I find such shameless borrowing of someone else's intellectual work for one's own enrichment outrageous. After this brazen theft, the cries of pseudo-artists about neural networks "stealing" their drawings look especially disgusting; as they say in Russia on such occasions: "A thief stole a thief's hat."

and here I thought you couldn't be any more idiotic

>>18725 >pic This is a girl

Dude, you really need a life

A good friend of mine recently shared a great thought. "For many, Sholicon acts as escapism, a refuge from the real world, a safe space. A realm of dreams and fantasies, where your soul can rest from problems and adversity, being in the company of dreamers like you. That is why the rudeness, greed and arrogance of pseudo-artists are especially painful. They rudely destroy the crystal castle where you and others are trying to relax and immerse yourself in your dreams. They, deliberately trying to hit you harder, poke you in the face with shit (your poverty, for example) from the real world, which you tried to forget at least for a while. They are not like us. For them, drawing is not a process of experiencing feelings and the magic of transferring fantasy from a vague mental image to reality. A real bro will never allow himself to behave like this, because he knows from himself what aspirations drive you, he will not be able to behave like this, because it is deeply contrary to his nature, for him it is the same as hitting himself. Let these scammers and destroyers of unity get the hell out!" >>20754 Lol, no. Nanachi's gender, according to Tsukushi, is intentionally made unknown so that each fan can choose who they see Nanachi as - a loli or a shota. >>20774 It's weird to see advice to "live a real life" on a board created for fans of fictional characters.

I decided to write reminder to one pseudo-artist to see what would come of it. His answer is simply a brilliant example of segregation and wild capitalism. Reminds me of the infamous segregation sign "No entry for lower ranks and dogs" that hung on the doors of restaurants during the time of Tsar Nicholas II. I don't want such crap in the sholicon community. I am deeply disgusted that people like him exist.

How many layers of postmodernity are you on and how much you hate it

You're the reason why people hate us

>>20836 I don't understand your sarcasm. It's inappropriate. >>20853 What kind of people? Are you talking about pseudo-artists? In my very first post in this thread I wrote that they are not sholiconists, they hate us and sholicon, but they draw it because it is profitable. Furries have exactly the same problem: their community is overflowing with those who are not furries, but came for the money, having heard that you can easily make money on yiff. Their hatred does not make me cold or hot, their impotent anger only makes me happy. The process of cleansing the sholicon community from mercantile parasites has begun. Neural networks, American conservatives, SJW, European leftists, banks and payment systems with such an unexpected alliance are carpet bombing the mold of commercialization that has entangled our once friendly community. We are returning to the old days, when this was a small space only for our own, where there was no place for pride and money. As a pioneer of sholicon, I remember the old days when everything was built on the principles of love for loli and shota and unity in this feeling.

>>20853 You are trying to justify yourself to those who don't care about you or any of us. They only want your money. You are like someone who defends capitalism without having any capital yourself. OP is too harsh in his wording, but he is right.

>>21335 Lefty niggers deserve the rope Go be a hippie somewhere else

>>21335 OP has a point, there are "artists" who only care about money. I can agree that artists who paywall their shit and only draw what they're paid to draw care more about money than about shotas, and I'm not a fan of those people either. But OP isn't right. He's complaining because people don't take his requests for free. What I want from shota artists is that they draw shotas, that I can see those drawings, and that they actually draw because they want to, even if it's only between commissions. That's what makes a shota artist to me. When you want an artist to draw some specific character doing something specific, you don't want a "shota artist" anymore, you want someone who works for you for free. Nobody owes you shit, and refusing to draw some obscure character they don't know doesn't mean they don't really like shota, it only means they don't care about those characters. To make it simpler, in a world where all the artists only drew because they want to and where paid commissions didn't exist, it would still be entirely possible that nobody drew these characters, ever, simply because they don't want to. That's pretty much the point behind commissions, you pay someone to do something because otherwise nobody would do it. It is rude that some people told him that they were going to draw his boys and ended up ghosting him, but that's just rudeness, completely unrelated to the point of "people who don't care about shota."

>>21336 Hucksters deserve a rope. Be a business shark somewhere else. You don't have to be a leftist to hate hucksters and understand the fatality of the cult of profit at any price. Savva Morozov, Henry Ford, John Keynes, Franklin Roosevelt, Clement Attlee and William Levitt were not leftists, but they did everything they could to make people live better. "In 1947, the first house built by Levitt & Sons was completed - a modest standard mansion with two bedrooms and the possibility of making two more in the attic. In 1950, "Levitt houses" were built en masse in the suburbs of megalopolises. They were rented and sold primarily to war veterans for a symbolic price, they were raffled off in national lotteries: they were the ones that started the rapid development of suburbs in the USA. William Levitt believed that he was fighting communism with his houses: a person who has his own house cannot sympathize with the destroyers of private property. But the Levitts' most significant contribution was to demography: it was in these houses, cheap and uniform, that the baby boom began" It is ironic that the most ardent opponents of neural networks are the leftists, and they are also the greediest of pseudo-artists. I have already written about the duplicity of the leftists in the thread. >>21338 I have already explained in this thread several times that I complain not because they do not draw for me for free, but because of the way they refuse me. I will demonstrate two answers. "Sorry, but the character did not interest me enough for me to draw him for free." "Go to hell, you poor scum! I do not draw for free!" I think I do not have to explain that people who answer like the second option should not exist in the community. I could believe that they are not interested in my characters specifically, seeing other little-known characters in the artists' galleries, which would show that they also sincerely love, just not my characters. But surprisingly, all the characters in their galleries are the most hyped/popular (Gon, Killua, Oliver, Chilchuck, Tokiyuki Hojo, etc.) and the publication date miraculously coincides with the start of the hype train and challenge/flash mob for these characters. I am not fixated on Evan, Hans and Nanachi. Walter Sullivan, Hugo de Rune, Esteban, Cikapasi, Enu, Taiho, Aleksha, Giovanni and many other, different races and nationalities, - they were all rejected by pseudo-artists. Therefore, it is clearly visible that the matter is only in the greed of pseudo-artists. There were cases when people told me with cynical frankness that they liked the characters I told them about, but they wouldn’t draw them, because they don’t draw for free, even for themselves, because “you can’t pay yourself money.”

Nice images. Not related but it sucks to be a /truebrainlet/.

stfu you retarded fucking nigger you deserve all the hate you subhuman vatnik

Even though I have gained freedom thanks to neural networks, I continue to write to artists, purely out of sporting interest and social experiment. Look at this pompous privileged North American bastard. Look how he starts a dialogue. Not a single word about the characters and his attitude towards them and the idea. He is obsessed only with money and all his speech is only about them. Instead of a warm greeting, he starts with attacks on me. Crazed with greed, he demands 300 dollars, which is an absolutely unaffordable amount for 70% of the world's population. His thinking and incentives for drawing are so dislocated and perverted by greed that he does not understand or has completely forgotten that an artist always draws first and foremost for himself, if he has found interest in the idea. He does not realize that others do not demand or ask from him, but tell, in the hope that he will like the characters. Because he does not know the feeling of inspiration, when a creator creates regardless of circumstances and especially some coppers. He thinks from a one-sided point of view (that an idea can be important only to the one telling about it, and not to the creator), not finding involvement and reciprocity, denying himself the fact that he himself might like the idea. He considers everything exclusively from the position of profit, he no longer knows what true love and community of feelings are, and is not able to evaluate an idea from the point of personal interest and sympathy, because now he does not even draw for himself because it does not bring money. Drawing has turned from a way to express his feelings into a tool. Boys and men have ceased to be objects of passion for him, but have become exclusively subjects and a way to earn money. The one who retained love in himself would see in me the same as himself, driven by the impulses of the heart. But he has become hollow, a shell in which there is no soul. If he were alive and sincere, his answer, even in case of refusal, would be full of understanding and kindness. Looking at such people, you understand that from time to time the rich need to be brought to their senses by the guillotine or by firing squad in the basement of the Ipatiev House. The Prague defenestrations, the Bosin War, the American War of Independence, the French and October Revolutions, Florian Geyer's Black Squad. As Thomas Jefferson said: "The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." And Lenin wrote: "You can knock on the gates of justice only with rifle butts." I have already emphasized here that I am not a leftist, but like the wise Plato I hate extremes when wealth obscures a person's reason. But this time we will not have to go to the barricades to bring the presumptuous monopolists who have usurped fan art down to earth. Neural networks and intelligent capitalism will do it for us. Under their pressure, pseudo-artists are losing their privileges and hegemony. "Revenge without mercy on all enemies! To all parasites of the working masses! Revenge and death to all plutocratic tsars! The triumphant hour of victory is near." https://youtu.be/igqH-Orcprg?si=vQbhx31OREw6XVjg&t=72 We are the Geyer's Black Host, Hiya ho ho! And we want to scuffle with tyrants Hiya ho ho! Spears Advance! Forward march! Raise the red flames[a] upon the cloister roof! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoF_s5Sj_SU In some ways, I'm even grateful to Putin. Because he reminded gays and lesbians how fragile their freedom is. Having found it, they thought that now everything is allowed to them, they turned away from their poor brothers, like that rich faggot (you can’t call this creature gay). I want the same thing to happen in the USA for a while as happened to Putin’s Russia. For American gays and lesbians to understand the price of their freedoms and that money means nothing, and solidarity means everything. It’s time to repeat the lessons of history. They forgot what an incredible happiness it once was to be found by someone just like you. Now for them another gay is not a brother, but only a wallet. I, being not gay but a pedosexual, watch with bitterness how they betray their own. Like the Judenrat in the Warsaw Ghetto, who served the Germans for money, but ended up like those they betrayed.

Look at what has happened to the gaming and film industries. Look at and compare the art in Company of Heroes 2 and 3, Civilization 5 and 7 (the screenshots below are from there, this is the kind of wretchedness that they are now asking for thousands of dollars in salary for), Age of Empires 1-2-3 and 4. Look at this shameful level of 3D graphics in expensive blockbusters, which is inferior to the CGI movies from the games for the first (!) PlayStation. Look how their (games and film) budgets are swelling with falling quality. And all because we have fattened up (pseudo)artists. Their appetites have already crossed all boundaries. Creative tools are becoming simpler and more accessible, and the demands of (pseudo)artists are becoming more and more brazen and greater, as if they were painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, ruining their backs in a lying position on scaffolding, and not sitting at a cozy table with a tablet. When previously for a hundred dollars an artist would give his all, creating masterpieces, now a (pseudo)artist will lazily throw you a miserable picture for a thousand. Stop feeding parasites! Have respect! And before you thank an artist with money, find out if he respects you and others!

>>21353 Instead of getting closer to people, toning down your arrogance, you bury yourself even deeper. Don't squeal because the future has stepped on your balls. Your destiny is to accept the inevitable and learn to RESPECT YOUR AUDIENCE. People leave, and there are no new ones. The new ones are having fun with the neural network. That's why you hiss so jealously, because new blood will not come to you, pseudo-artists. You have been cultivating your flock for decades. Hold on to them, because there will be no others. People like me, who wrote to you, were the last birds; soon no one will write at all. And the new freeloaders who decided to roll in and make money on fan art will not be able to gather the same active members. It's like rolling into the emo subculture in 2009. Without an audience for your work, you are nobody. For too long you, pseudo-artists, have treated us like empty space, not giving us a voice, refusing to interact with us, trampling on everything our community was based on before. The hour of reckoning has come. You are not an artist, but a pathetic stencil artist who has found a convenient way to earn money by parasitizing on other people's feelings for anime and cartoon characters, while not having such feelings yourself. You are driven only by money, while an artist is driven by the desire to create, love, self-expression and a sense of community (dialogue) with those for whom he paints his pictures. Artists will remain, you - not. Artists are artists for a reason, because there have always been few of them, the title of artist must be proven and earned. For too long this title has been given to anyone, devaluing itself. Look at the drawing "Look, Mom, I've become old ...", attached to this post. This is the creation of an ARTIST. His work touches the depths of the soul, to tears. Contemplating this picture, I experienced catharsis and then walked around under the impression for half a day. And you will disappear, drown in the sea of ​​​​neural generations, and no one will remember you. Neural networks, as paradoxical as it may sound, came to the aid of real art and true creators, sweeping out all the sucking lice and fleas that cared only about profit; real creators will shine even brighter. No one will support a dead old sick horse. And you are exactly like that. You are not a thoroughbred stallion (a true artist), but decrepit sick nags, whom they would disdain even to send to dogs for meat. A herd of mediocrities who managed to bite off a piece of free pie, grimacing in disgust, but holding back for the sake of money, drawing "vile wankers" their "perversions". But that's it, the shop is closed. The network gave people free fast content. Look how they despise and hate you, how people everywhere greet your whining with hoots, how they try to kick you - you've gotten on everyone's nerves with your duplicity, arrogance and greed. And only the thrown-out garbage whines from the neural networks, because they are offended and their asses are burning. That the freebie is over and no one needs them, even for free. And that was all the showing off... ugh. After all, you don't stand a chance against the network. And the network is also upgrading. Now the focus is on VRAM. When the cards get fatter, the models and generation will upgrade again. And no howling will stop this. Already 90% of art everywhere is neural. Drills, pens, games, screensavers - all generation with editing. They are already making videos. Soon this niche will be occupied by the network. Accept it, worthless. Everything you've created is created only for the sake of hype, there's nothing and no one (from the characters) unique there. For many of us, all of you, who only draw the super-popular Bridget, Tokiyuki Hojo, Link and Ash, have long since ceased to exist. Your work does not resonate with our dreams and feelings, you do not see us as your brothers, and we do not see in you those who once were. And if your drawings disappeared even before the era of AI, we would not have lost anything. >>21352 Liked what I generate, right? Before neural networks, these cute boys (Esteban, Lavender Fox and Nanachi) were of no use to anyone, because they were little known. When I tried to tell artists about Esteban (the boy from the anime The Mysterious Cities of Gold), they told me to go to hell, calling me a poor Mexican or Brazilian trash, although I am Russian, probably because Esteban is Spanish. They spat in my heart, mocked my feelings, ridiculed my favorite heroes, betrayed my faith in art and the shota community, devalued the sacredness of the artist's title. And after such treatment I should not harbor a thirst for revenge towards pseudo-artists? I wish that Los Zetas would dismember them along with their families and throw their remains into the sewer.

>>21387 I forgot to add: >and we do not see in you those who once were. and we do not see in you those who generally love shota and loli, and do not wear a mask, pretending to be one of us.

>>21384 >Completely ignores the the well placed points the artists makes The only thing your shitty screenshoots prove is how much of a nuisance you are, and how fucking disinterested are in the artist himself You're just trying to justify your shitty behavior as the typical lefty shithead with empty arguments about greediness and shit

There is no place for money and politics in the loli/shota community! We are too vulnerable to create barriers that divide us! We must stick together or we will cease to exist! There is an old Chinese proverb: "A piece of rice brings gratitude, a bushel of rice breeds enmity." >>21389 Of course, you will defend your "colleague" pseudo-artist in every possible way, because one crow will not peck out another crow's eye. Your bitchy tribe only cares about money and all his words were only about it. So I do not understand what kind of "correctly placed remarks" you are farting about; I will remain silent about the fact that my remarks were completely ignored by both you and him, even in this thread it is clear how verbosely and reasonably I write and how briefly, spitting insults (I also switched to them, seeing all the lack of adequacy on your part), you squeak. A sincere person, driven by love for boys, in his place would have answered like this: "I am flattered that you decided to trust me with your dream. But, unfortunately, the characters did not find inspiration in me to draw them. I understand that this sounds disappointing, but I cannot draw without feeling passion for them." And your fixation on blacks is becoming something clearly unhealthy. Were you a black male's sissy bitch in prison? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04eHgw6XTIo[Embed][Embed] And give me your nickname on the platforms so I know who to avoid, and can also warn others that you are not really a bro, but a bastard businessman. And to top it all off, just die. The world doesn't need you, pseudo-artists.

A good friend of mine also mentioned something else, which I didn’t exactly miss, but didn’t convey so clearly. "All those to whom you wrote and who treated you rudely do not understand or do not want to understand one simple idea: an artist draws not only for the one asking, but also for himself first and foremost. A drawing does not go into the void, but appears in the artist's gallery. No one alienates it from him. A drawing is never in vain, each work is always a step towards improving the skill and expanding the audience, people see that in front of them is a free master, not limiting himself to narrow themes and a thin deck of characters, and not a hype-eater and profiteer, driven only by someone else's wallet and trends. Those who do not understand this are not creators. Deep down, these traders understand that you are right, they even find that they have an interest in your idea, but these bright feelings cannot break through the barrier of cynical calculation that they have built over the years, which killed in them who they used to be."

the most rotten kind of person is one that makes demands from others when they can just ai their way for all the art they need. why waste peoples time because you have zero talent 3rd world scum

>>21417 You literally confirm my theses about pseudo-artists. You evaluate a drawing only by time and cost, and not by the feelings invested in it. You do not understand that there are artists who love shota with their hearts, who are always in search of new characters, images and ideas, and will be happy to discover new cute boys. You, whose heart is rusty from greed, do not know this, you do not really love boys for a long time, if you ever did. Shota/loli community has always exchanged new interesting characters and shared fantasies with each other, and artists drew them, both on their own initiative and at the request. I remember the times when you could turn to an artist and he would welcome you warmly, seeing in you a brother, driven by mutual love for shota/loli. Money and social networks killed this sincerity and community. That's why I brought up the topic of artists becoming hucksters: to tell those who have recently realized themselves as shotacon artists that our community once valued each other, not money. I won't let the memory of the past and the principles that united us be killed! That's why I continue to write to artists, because not all of them have sold their souls. Among them, there are still those who are not pseudo-artists, but those who are glad to see me as a brother.

Lol, I got linked here because the OP wanted to gloat after he got bullied on ATF for the same reasons here. Entitlement and narcism wrapped in a wannabe villain monologue of superiority. Long story short for people. He goes to random artists asking for free art and when he doesn't get it he becomes self pity party to create a gap the size of the grand canyon to make himself feel better for his berating and harassing artists. He creates a narrative that he is some low peasant and artists live in noble castles. Since AI had taken off and he no longer needs artists, he will just steal their stuff to make lots and use it berate the artists he so despise. He has already harassed me in my pixiv to just taunt me he has my "art" Anyways, love reading everyone here who calls him out for his bullshit. Here is some free art.

>muh feelings in art >contents himself with literal soulless AI I guess you have twist your own logic so backwards in order to not just kill yourself on the spot Pathetic

>>21453 How does a (pseudo) artist who draws only for money differ from a soulless machine? As expected, there will be no answer to this question. Because I asked it to many people and each time they avoided the answer, putting me on the blacklist. As I already wrote, neural networks will not make me stop loving human art. And in this thread I emphasized that for those who draw at the call of the heart, the advent of neural networks will be a blessing: the huge murky mass of insincere people who came to drawing only for money, who previously obscured the real creators, will subside. One more question, before the advent of AI, what did you offer to those who have no money? To remain on the sidelines? To deny themselves their dreams? To try to collect unbearable sums, sacrificing already meager resources, which are barely enough for the bare necessities? No drawing deserves such a sacrifice. Art is always unconditional, it inspires, pleases, and does not demand or evaluate you by your wallet. While you denied thousands of people and a whole layer of characters dear to them the right to find their happiness. It is noteworthy: all pseudo-artists who pretend to be fans of loli and shota are surprisingly familiar only with the most popular characters. If they were true connoisseurs, then their list of favorite heroes would definitely include at least one little-known character, say, Conan from Future Boy Conan. Also, no less strangely, they are unfamiliar with loli and shota from video games. Hugo de Rune, Enu, Walter Sullivan, Jack Marston and others. Why, having acquired neural networks, do I continue the campaign to expose pseudo-artists, although I could calmly enjoy the miracle of technology? BECAUSE I LOVE LOLI AND SHOTAS, I LOVE THEM SO MUCH THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE FAKES LIKE YOU IN THE FANDOM! I protect what I love from people like you! >>21449 I knew you'd respond to my invitation, you're so predictable. Answer the question you cowardly avoided on Pixiv. Are you a pedo? All pseudo-artists who only care about loli and shotas for money start twitching when asked about their pedosexuality, like the devil from a holy crucifix. It's not clear what's worse: pretending to be a shota/lolicon for the sake of money or being a pedo, but selling your soul to Mammon and furiously pecking (all those MAP DNI signs) at open pedos. How pathetic and disgusting it is to fight against your nature and your brothers who are not afraid to be brave. And I explained to you at ATF what the problem with your refusal is. And you were the first to start our little war when you took our correspondence to Twitter, offended by my words about pseudo-artists from rich countries; I didn’t know that you were from the USA, but thought that you were from South America, and that’s why I even apologized and already left, considering that the dialogue was over. I can find screenshots of this correspondence. And I can also show screenshots of people who refuse CORRECTLY and TACTICALLY, one of such examples >>19204 is already in this thread. And by publishing Ben X, you only confirmed everything I’m talking about. There is never a place for other, non-trend characters in your drawings, because no one pays for them. All your so-called “art” is created with the expectation of maximum audience reach and profit.

>>21449 And you deliberately kept silent about the fact that there were people at ATF who agreed with me.

Just because you speak like a villain doesn't make you smart, makes you a loser who literally thinks himself as a victim. Nobody agrees with you because you go off the deep end, any points you have are lost because of your attitude and INABILITY to even recognize any talking points besides the ones you made. Your a "one true Scotsman" fallacy made real with a helping of delusional victim. You write long form essays thinking it helps you, pretending to be Alexander Hamilton with mental instability but in reality you just gish-gallop a bunch of nonsense hoping to overwhelm who ever your targeting. This is the third place you have run off too to seek validation because everywhere else the people turned on you because you go to far and speak like soap opera villain. It's even evident here, you have people literally seeing your over the top bullshit and probably half these people who even agree with you are you pretending to be someone else because unlike you, I didnt hide my name behind a anon. This is the last reply I'm giving, because you are so pathetic to waste even more of my time with, harassment over the last several years all because I said no when you asked me to draw your stupid shota for free you made a self-pity tantrum (which I have done for others since). Any time you go to another one of my socials to call me out, I won't even dignify you with a response but a block. Your arguments are weak and padded with nonsense, you are butt hurt, and need to move on. Stop wasting my time playing the victim and seeking attention, TLDR for others: He is a loser who keeps harassing artists because they won't give him free art, and keep running around community to community looking for validation and just find more people to annoy. He has already threaten me by using AI to "steal my style" yet he won't leave me alone because he needs to have a villain to make himself feel victimized. Just ignore this guy, or else he will bury you in zero calorie words.

Remember to sage the thread, so he doesn't even get the fulfillment of having his shitty thread bumped up

I really don't like communist rhetoric and turning to its propaganda images for examples, but before the advent of AI, poor pedos were literally under the heel of pseudo-artists, doomed to never know the happiness of seeing their dreams with their favorite heroes in a drawing. Literally "Death under the heel of capital", like on the poster. >>21470 The question of whether you are a pedo or not has been ignored by you for the second time. I'm not even talking about how you collected donations on Twitter, pretending to be a victim of a fire in which your house burned down and your relatives died, but did not provide any evidence of this. A common practice among pseudoartists: to swindle people out of money, making up sob stories. I write in such detail because I justify and explain my principles, showing that behind my actions there is not impulsiveness and momentary resentment at a refusal, but a long-standing and chronic problem that is eating away at the community. What kind of people are against? The same aggressive pseudo-artist, easily recognizable by the way he pounces with insults. I have always spoken out against such a low technique as sockpuppet (when a person writes posts in support of his point of view on behalf of another), because it devalues ​​the struggle and the principles on which I stand. But this does not mean that I am a noble paladin, waging war chivalrously. In all other respects, I do not follow any rules, aiming at the complete destruction of pseudo-artists as a phenomenon. Quoting the lines of Varshavyanka (revolutionary song): "Revenge and death to all plutocratic kings!" You call/consider me a loser? It turns out that you knew perfectly well that I was poor/a loser, but at the same time you demanded money from me, knowing that it was impossible for me. Intending to prick me, you have once again given away your nature. A classic example of a "Freudian slip". >>21479 You can freak out as much as you want, but you cannot stop the march of time and progress.

I honestly think you should follow the other user's advices and just kill yourself. I bet there's no one in your life who wants to deal with you and your deranged behavior anymore. Just give them release and end your life.

>>18725 Dude people gotta make a living. What's your problem

>>21510 You should see how well you swim with cement shoes, AI faggot.

Please, just kill yourself

In a sarcastic tone: I am glad to welcome you, who came from /delicious. >>21514 But you will soon go to the pond with a cinder block on your neck, realizing that AI has had you and your whole bitchy tribe of pseudo-artists, and has given freedom to your brothers, like Prometheus gave fire. And I am cheerful, happy and full of optimism, my life has never been so joyful; paraphrasing the words of the commander Suvorov: "We are a generation of neural networks! What a delight!" For some reason, those who attack me think that I am a loner, whose theses are the delirium of a marginal and a renegade. When almost everywhere the question of returning art to its roots, where solidarity and sincerity were the basis, is being raised. AI has accelerated these trends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tId2ckfrONg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tGnVWjI-z4 >>21513 Since ancient times, people have noted that often all kinds of vileness and meanness are justified by the pretext of earning a living. Thieves and drug dealers also "earn a living." I am sure that you are well aware that there are things that are blasphemous to make money on; Christ, who drove the merchants out of the temple, is a textbook example of the scourging of such a vice. But because of your greed and cynicism, you trample on sacred principles and the unity of the community. That is why you are so angry, immediately switching to insults, because you clearly understand your guilt and this awareness is unbearable for you. >>21512 >>21515 Thank you for confirming with your behavior every word I say about your essence, "artists".

The prices that pseudo-artists charge (for example, these two bastards: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/21831558, https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/56738864) are unaffordable even for Poles. And Poland is many times richer than Russia. Now imagine how insanely expensive it is for a Russian, if even Poles find such amounts impossible. It is especially disgusting, as was already written in this comment (from the screenshot), when a pseudo-artist from a poor country sets American prices for his drawings and then gets outraged when his compatriots say that this is ruin for them. Pseudo-artists in Latin America are especially guilty of this. I have repeatedly seen complaints from Mexicans, Venezuelans and Brazilians about the attitude of their fellow countrymen towards them. This is truly a global problem. And, as in the song, let's strike at it, hand in hand, across seas and continents: https://youtu.be/zZqVOFSYRWI?si=vOawH4Mlh69FoDAA&t=140

>>21532 Okay retard no one gives a shit about your dumb essay posts, go throw yourself in front of a Ukranian tank and put some sunflower seeds in your pocket so some good came out of your wasted potential

>>21532 >Christ, who drove the merchants out of the temple, is a textbook example of the scourging of such a vice Jesus wasn't real retard and artists can't draw bread to eat. >>21532 >But you will soon go to the pond with a cinder block on your neck, realizing that AI has had you and your whole bitchy tribe of pseudo-artists, and has given freedom to your brothers, like Prometheus gave fire If that were even a little bit true, then why are you so goddamn unhappy? Your magic plagiarism machine hasn't managed to generate you an iota of happiness.

Kill yourself

kill yourself

>>21537 If you had read the thread carefully, you would have known that I am against the war in Ukraine. This war is "the merit" of not only Putin, but also the West. It all started with the cowardly Obama and Merkel, who left the annexation of Crimea and the downed Dutch plane without consequences. So soon you will have to throw yourself under Russian tanks when Putin, Un and Xi rush to the English Channel. >>21538 What delightful cynicism and shamelessness. Lolis and shotas are not objects of adoration for you, but only a tool for making money. It's as if your parents conceived you not out of love, because they wanted a child, but in order to force you to work as an underage prostitute, bringing them income. Get it into your head - love is not about money. Don't poke your businessman's snout into sacred things! Yes, I am really happy. All my fantasies, with a few exceptions, come true thanks to the miracle of technology. I am glad to live in the neuro era, and also proud to wage a victorious war against pseudo-artists. After many years of depression, I have risen and am full of energy as never before. >>21539 >>21540 You wish me death too unconvincingly. Without frenzy and genuine hatred. Let me give you a reason to hate me as much as AM (Allied Mastercomputer) Harlan Ellison hated humanity. I said back at ATF that my war against pseudo-artists is not limited to texts. I destroy their accounts; no, I am not a hacker, I just find loopholes. Thus, Honeyshot's Twitter was destroyed, and recently the Pixiv accounts of Mixterious and DenSekkusu >>19177 >>19055 were erased. They are just some of several dozen that I have annihilated. Ah, the sweetness of revenge!.. And yes, I do not act alone. I know many who were angry with Mixterious, and together we ended his account. You, pseudo-artists, have made very dangerous enemies for yourselves.

kill yourself

>>21544 Retard, you're so fucking incoherent. If oyu got a problem with people using money for (reads) food, you should take that up with capitalism, not the people subjected to it you dumbfuck.

>>21544 >So soon you will have to throw yourself under Russian tanks when Putin, Un and Xi rush to the English Channel. American so, good luck with that, also, that tanks? LOL Russia doesn't have any. Blew through their arms firghting a stupid war for three years. If I were Xi I'd annex Siberia because there wouldn't be a goddamn thing you could do about it tardnik.

I've read through your thread on atf, and it was the mental equivalent of willingly cutting my wrists to the hypodermis. There's no shame in asking for help. It may be difficult to find proper resources from where you're from, but you can at least try talking to someone or getting a hobby before you shoot up a building in the name of your favorite shota to spite artists who won't give you free shit or who won't bend over backwards and apologize and explain why they can't give you free shit because their entire family died in an explosion, but they still recognize that the shotas and lolis you're into are sent from Jesus Christ personally. Maybe one day you can heal, and look back at all of this with embarrassment.

>>21558 great. Now I gotta go back to ATF to find out what hilarious shit he said there

>>21558 what's his username there? I can't find it, I really wanna read some more

>>21558 What's the thread, could you link it? I want to see more people shitting on him

>>21574 I remember https://allthefallen.moe/forum/index.php?threads/total-commercialization-of-loli-shota-artists-and-community.55728/page-5#post-21264317 He got bullied so hard that he got his account deleted for having such bad takes. He does this all the time, comes in and thinks he gonna be right but ends up just making a fool of himself.

>>21581 I left there myself, deleting my account, because I can't stand censorship (a number of my posts were deleted due to the squeals of those who were hurt by my words). Here is the entire thread, without deleted posts: https://gofile.io/d/GkhAlS >>21558 The building has been captured and its former inhabitants have been thrown out into the street by raiders (pseudo-artists). It is impossible to take it back, so all that remains is to destroy it and build a new one, just like the lines of the Internationale: We will destroy the whole world of violence To the ground, and then We will build our new world, Who was nobody - will become everything! >>21556 For you, loli and shota are just a way to fill your belly. I don't understand, are you pathetic or disgusting, or both.

>>21558 And yes, if they can't master the basics of "The ABCs of Politeness" (picture book), then they shouldn't have a place among us. Learning the most basic principles of diplomacy and tact is not that difficult.

>He actually arquived his shitty posts lol, lmao even

>>18725 >>18747 If I may give my opinion as an artist that's been drawing lolis for free for several years... 1. Drawing takes time and effort. If you want to make profit out of it (which is understandable), you will obviously prioritize characters/themes that pay better. As an example, if you own a restaurant and clients prefer fish over meat, you won't keep buying meat out of the goodness of your heart for those few that like it, since it's a bad investment that costs you money/effort and doesn't pay as well. If you in your free time want to draw for free, that's okay too, but no one forces you to and it shouldn't be the norm. When you see drawing as a job, (mangaka, illustrator, renaissance painter, etc.) you obviously do it for money regardless of whether you liked drawing in the first place or not. It's a job, they work for money. In my case, I have an external source of money (a different job), therefore drawing is for me a hobby that I don't charge for. I draw what I want, when I want, for whoever I want. However, you can like drawing and still want to make a job out of it because well, what's better than working on something you like. 2. Regarding AI. Personally I'm not against it when it comes to creating art. Knowing how to use prompts and refining the technique so hands don't have seven fingers or look like stumps (for example) takes time and effort as well as drawing. Wether it takes more or less effort, I won't dwell on that matter. I won't dwell either on art "having soul" or not since I don't believe in none of that. For me it's as simple as "I like this drawing/drawing style, or I don't." 3. Artists denying your requests. As I see it, they haven't been rude at all. It's understandable they work for money (see section number 1. above) but it also may be the way you address it. To me, it seems you're being too pushy. Again, drawing takes time. You don't know how long someone's commission list is, they may have 20 drawings queuing before yours and will take one, two months or even more until they do yours, if they do it at all. (They have the right to refuse to work for free, just as a plumber has the right not to fix your water leak if you don't pay him.) Reasonably, commissions (paid requests) go before free ones because we all need to eat, and if you push someone (this also includes reminding them that you "keep waiting", they already know you're waiting, don't rush them or they'll inevitably ignore/avoid/block you) all you achieve is that they get tired of you and think twice before accepting free requests. (Also, they/we have to deal with a good deal of weirdos/harassers, and if your messages give off the impression you're one of them, you're most likely going to be blacklisted right away.) As free requesters, we (I include myself as I have occasionally asked other small artists for drawings as well) need to keep in mind they have no obligation to grant our requests, and we have no right to demand nothing of them. Nor speed, nor quality, nor attention. 4. As an advice on how to proceed when approaching artists with your requests would be for example: >Hey, I know you charge but but I'd like to know if you'd be willing to do something very simple for free. If not, that's okay. (Keep it as simple and concise as possible, keep in mind they may have tens of other requests/commissions. Try not to sound pushy or be annoying.) >Answer from artist: Yes, I'd do it for free/No, I won't >Your answer if they agree: Oh, that's great, I'd like this and that, and I'll wait as long as it takes. If you change your mind, (which is okay too) please let me know so I'm not waiting pointlessly. >Your answer if they refuse: That's okay, thank you anyway. / No problem. / Alright, I understand it. (And you proceed to leave without lecturing them on why they should do work for free, since other ways it's soulless and how AI, which has nothing to do with the conversation you were having, is better or not.) Still, that's my opinion, and I don't mean this like an attack. I'm just trying to help. I'd really like to know how it went in case you decided to put my advice into practice and proceed with artists as I suggested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aulQbV58qQ&lc=UgyYfNV_xma8aVINhr94AaABAg The day before yesterday I came across a comment from a pseudo-artist, where she shamelessly admits what she thinks about NSFW and her customers. "As an NSFW artist who is a member of many chats and communicates with colleagues, I can say that in fact, almost all NSFW artists do this exclusively for the money and do not receive any pleasure from it or develop their skills. And then we just collectively cringe at the requests of customers (and sometimes even at the customers themselves) :D It's cruel, but this is essentially the same business as everything else." >>21653 I apologize for my short response to your post (I don't want to give you the impression that I didn't pay enough attention to your words), but that's because each of your points in this thread has already been analyzed in detail and more than once. So I'll only analyze your advice to write briefly. Many people insistently ask that the essence of the message be conveyed to them immediately, without preludes like "Hello. Can I ask you a question?" or even a fragmentary "Hi!" Those who write briefly are rightly taken for either spammers or idle curiosity seekers. And secondly, dialogue with inadequate pseudo-artists is impossible even if you are a charismatic of the highest level, like the ancient Roman and Greek orators. Only in video games can you start a dialogue with an intractable NPC by throwing points into the charisma skill. In real life, the most intellectual, heartfelt and penetrating speeches are not able to pierce hardened hearts. So it doesn't matter how short or long the text is if the recipient is a complete asshole.

>So it doesn't matter how short or long the text is if the recipient is a complete asshole. Oh the irony...

>>21586 Whiny bitchlike typing detected >I left there myself, deleting my account, because I can't stand censorship (a number of my posts were deleted due to the squeals of those who were hurt by my words). Here is the entire thread, without deleted posts: https://gofile.io/d/GkhAlS

>>18725 >Muh my beloved shota >Posts exclusively straight/non-shotas even Kys mentally ill delusional faggot, it's great that you have always been and will always be despised and you will soon die/go to jail

>>21770 Are you hallucinating? Where did you see straight content in my posts, except for one image with Komekko?

>>21788 All your bitching and whining is pretty heterosexual coded, tbh

OP has been at this for months now i respect the dedication and passion tbh

>>21839 If you meant it like you respect the crazy guy that eats his shit on your street on the same exact spot, then yes

>>21857 Oh no it's for sure a crazy dude eating his own shit in the private alley behind your flat kind of respect and not a "Yes, this person has principals and is a paragon of morality" respect

For a long time, I couldn't destroy the Discord channel of one two-faced Japanese bitch. And a week ago, I succeeded! She paid dearly for her commercialism and hypocrisy, losing her channel, which she had been nurturing for many years. She boasted with feigned modesty about how easily and quickly she managed to master drawing at a late age, without persistent, exhausting classes, without clubs and mentors. Drawing is not her main source of income, she comes from a rich family. But she is so greedy that she is ready to hang herself for a cent. Privileged scum. How unfair this world is that talents go to such rotten people, and not to people who could please their brothers. She treated me coldly and indifferently, who hoped to find in her a response to my love for Nanachi (human form), despite the fact that she, according to her, is also a fan of the Made in the Abyss. I didn't see the slightest sign of fan solidarity and community from her. And what's more, she silently kicked me from the channel. And then, when I wrote to her on Twitter again, not understanding why I disappeared from the channel, she feigned surprise, saying that it was a bug of Discord itself. Her ego is such that she forbade everyone except herself from posting images in her channel, disabling this option in messages. Arrogant cunt, cringingly pretending to be modest. >>21839 Thank you for not being afraid to express support for my words. I really appreciate it. >>21838 It's ironic to hear this from someone who came here from the loli section.

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>>21884 Virgin with rage.

>>18725 >Almost everyone is familiar with cases when a modest and kind artist, having acquired money and fame, turned into a greedy and arrogant one. OP, that's because they always were. Money and power doesn't "change" anyone, it just shows people true personality and mindset. And that's a big reason why a lot of wealthy individuals spend so much time teaching about personal development before even really advising you on how to increase your wealth. Because there's also the possibility that they're not being "greedy and arrogant", but just don't know better. You see it with a lot of people where they're struggling to make money, fall into something that allows them to make even more money, and then (Despite living large) repeat the entire process all over again except on a new level. And essentially sabotage their own success because they don't change their habits or lifestyle. >The transformation (more correctly, deformation) of many of them reached the point that they completely lost the habit of drawing for pleasure and inspiration, because it is free and will not bring in income. They may not paint for months if they don't have orders. Their motivation to draw has become unlearned to come from incentives other than financial ones. That's also true of a lot of people. Where they are genuinely talented, but you don't ever see them really using that talent except when they need another check. And to a certain extent, can you really blame them? Talent and happiness are not necessarily synonymous with each other. I could be someone who is talented and learned enough to make really beautiful marble sculptures, but I would honestly rather spend my time playing video games or just driving my car through the countryside. And there's nothing really wrong with that. >When you don't have money (and many of us are from poor countries, including me), artists don't even look at you To be fair, artists also have bills to pay, too. >They declare with cynical frankness that they hate what they draw and those they draw to, but they tolerate it because of the big money Yes and? I despise doing janitorial work, but I'll gladly do it if the pay is high enough. In fact, the Irish and the Scots became so prominent in American culture entirely because they did the jobs no one wanted to do, like being a fireman or a police officer. >They start screaming about “capitalism and evil corporations depriving them of income,” although they themselves, like Scrooge, recently humiliated the poor man who was naive to turn to them. I'll agree with you there, the artists that bitch about AI can get fucked. Because at the end of the day, AI is just a tool and nothing more. A very powerful tool, but still just a tool. The people that complain about how it will "displace" creators really have no frame of reference about the world and the various advancements that have taken place. Programs like Vocaloid didn't displace music artists and singers. The camera didn't displace the painter. And further, AI will not replace people no matter how much the elites desire it to do so. >If this continues, we will turn into a disgrace like the furry-community, which has long been said to have become a club for the rich. The reason people hate the furfags is because the furfags turn being a "furry" into their entire existence. The fact that they're often rich is an entirely different issue. While somewhat "related", the entire reason that they spend millions of dollars on such content and a community is that they want to keep the kind of furfag content that they enjoy always available. And it's not just prominent with furfags. You see this with more degenerate and niche fetishes, and why boards like >>>/vore1/, >>>/abdl/, and >>>/tkr/ are so high up. Remember that >>>/interracial/ and >>>/2dblacked/ entirely exists as one autistic cuckold's personal home. Hell, NTR is only as prominent as it is because you have a lot of people paying for that content to be available. Meanwhile generic erotic content that you'd find over on >>>/h/, and even >>>/futa/ funnily enough, is much more common, and therefore in less demand, and why you won't see people as often commissioning such material.

>>21884 I'm bisexual faggot

>>21900 replying to yourself? A bold stradegy from a huge retard.

>>21884 >OP is a deranged slav Yeah that checks out. Enjoy the war.

>>21933 Don't suck on crazy.

>>21933 My favorite bit is that he doesn't understand how someone could possibly be bisexual. Hope Putin finds out he's gay, straight into the Dnipro

God Lord, I just read the entire thread because I was genuinely curious as it touches some topics I'm interested. OP with all respect, I'm worried about your mental health, all this hate and spite you have developed is just not good on the long run. First off, I read part of your ATF thread and in page two you said: "But I was not prepared for the fact that out of 50 people, none (!) would respond with interest. I was completely demoralized." Such number probably increased by the time I'm writing, but I don't think I need to remind you this is arguably one of the least effective ways to pitch your ideas as many would consider it unsolicited spam in DMs. Probably the screenshot that left me the most perplexed was your interaction with the Japanese artist Yuki2, they expressed concerns about copyright, mentioned Skeb for speeding up the process, no motivation for Nanachi R18 and how difficult it was to draw Evan. Despite all of that you managed to get a sketch, but you still got angry and called it crude??? Second, I partly agree with your sentiment towards mainstream fanart. There are certain fan artworks that simply don't feel genuine and even more so if the artist in question is known to be constantly chasing the flavor of the month. I'd say my least favorite kind of artist is the one that does trendy crossovers on a regular basis due to how pandering it can look, I have no clue if the main intention behind said crossovers was money, clout or legitimate liking, whatever it is I don't care, mute the artist and move on with my day. This bring us to the question, are mainstream fan artists ruining the so called "community"? I don't know, for me such term has lost meaning in today's age. The internet now is simply too big and you have terminally online individuals that it often ends up creating cult-like behavior in almost every corner of the internet. You also have to keep in mind things change, people come and go be it for the best or for the worst. Personally I simply do my own thing. OP, focus on yourself and your ideas, express the love you have for Evan and the niche gang with drawing, 3D, rig animations, generative AI you name it just don't get bitter.

>>21900 It is true that money does not change people, it simply reveals their true essence. But the removal of masks sometimes happens so unexpectedly that it is very difficult to be ready for it. It is difficult to get used to the new realities, where yesterday's sympathetic merry fellow now looks down on you. Having talent does not mean that a person will develop his gift and devote himself entirely to it. It is not for nothing that there is a saying "He buried his talent in the ground." That is why art critics and I are against calling just anyone an artist. An artist is a combination of many qualities. It is a calling, a way of life. And now this status has begun to be handed out to everyone who has simply picked up a pencil, thereby devaluing the sacredness of this concept. The artist's title has been devalued so much that people now react to any post with problems of "artists" with mocking comments, not sparing the poison: https://pikabu.ru/story/kak_v_29_let_poteryat_sebya_a_potom_vnov_nayti_v_iskusstve_12786449?cid=354218039 People have stopped seeing creators in those who draw, suspecting them of self-interest. People have seen the light. No neural networks would have caused such damage as "artists" provoked with their behavior. You missed one important point. Those we are talking about have not liked lolis and shotas for a long time, if they ever liked them at all. Their behavior and reactions reveal them to be people who are completely indifferent to cute girls and boys and real lolis/shotalovers. That's why drawing is hard for them, they simply have nothing to express, their hearts are empty. I remember how true bro react to an attempt at dialogue - cordially and responsively, with a vivid interest in characters new to them, expressing a desire to get to know them and learn more about them. Whereas pseudo-artists don't even half-say a word about/evaluate the characters you tell them about, because for them it's not love. There was an example above in the thread - Honeyshot, avoiding answering the question of whether he is a pedosexual. Previously, artists flatly refused any donations, considering it blasphemous to take money from their brothers. Offering an artist money meant insulting him and his love for lolis and shotas. Today's pseudo-artists are raging, trying to suppress those who remember the old days, trying to portray us as a bunch of freeloaders, impudent people and communists. >>21933 What country/region are you from? Russia is shit, of course, but other countries are rapidly sinking to its level; the trend of degradation of living standards and people's character is marching all over the world. The America and Europe that I enthusiastically watched in the movies as a child are long gone. And Japan has recently joined the list of my disappointments. >>21929 >>21941 If you were truly bi, you wouldn't accuse me of supposedly being heterosexual. >>21930 In your insults you are already sinking lower than a clown, moving on to the most primitive insinuations, accusing me of such a low technique as claque (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%91%D1%80). >>21946 My hatred and anger are not a problem for me. This is a problem for pseudo-artists: they feel the consequences of their duplicity and greed, which are brought to them by the hatred of those whose trust they betrayed. Moreover, my anger has long passed the boiling phase, now it is cold contempt. When you hate furiously, it means that some feelings still remain, some attempt to get through, but when icy disgust comes, this is the final point, where the object of anger is dehumanized without a trace, to the level of dust. >Probably the screenshot that left me the most perplexed was your interaction with the Japanese artist Yuki2, they expressed concerns about copyright, mentioned Skeb for speeding up the process, no motivation for Nanachi R18 and how difficult it was to draw Evan. >Despite all of that you managed to get a sketch, but you still got angry and called it crude??? Yeah, she's a bitch and a scumbag. It feels like you were very biased at this point. Because it's impossible not to see how sweetly she cooed at me at first, promising to draw Evan in the coming weeks. And when I wrote after three months of waiting, it was as if she had been replaced, her answer was sharp and displeased. She demanded money from me, betraying her promise. And then she began to shamelessly and absurdly lie about copyright, taking me for a complete idiot who does not know the legal subtleties and realities of Japan regarding fan art. By the way, by now I have become very disappointed in Japan. Behind the loud words about honor lies an empty shell and discouraging stupidity. The Japanese are actually very narrow-minded people. Their cultural horizons are amazingly narrow. The best time of this country is long gone. The Japanese were simply very lucky with Emperor Mutsuhito. Otherwise, this would have been another shithole on the level of Cambodia. I am glad to hear that you share my words about the mainstream having dealt a huge blow to the community. Even the attacks from pedo-haters were not as destructive as the pursuit of the mainstream. Thousands of characters were left behind, diversity was devastatingly thinned. I will correct you, I am not writing about only Evan and I love not only him. Pseudo-artists rejected dozens (!) of characters. For example, they met Alice from the cult Soviet cartoon "The Mystery of the Third Planet" with such coldness and hostility, as if it were about necrophilia with a dead homeless woman. Heidi from Heidi's Song, Ellie from The Wizard of Oz - all were rejected. After all, these are not the mainstream Luz, Kanna Kamui and Hilda, who signify profit.

Another shining example of a pseudo-artist. A real standard. He radiates such arrogance and greed that it is comparable to a stream of gamma particles. I always expose pseudo-artists, but now I have a question for those who order from them. Do you not respect yourself at all when you turn to people like him? >>21946 Oh, and I forgot about her "sketch" with Evan. Look at how offensively carelessly it is drawn. Like a pathetic handout, arrogantly thrown to a beggar by a rich person to humiliate him. And how it is covered in an anti-AI filter. As if I would use these deliberately lazy scribbles to train AI. >>21929 >>21941 And it was you who did not realize that I was bi when you accused me of being straight.

Genuine question OP Why are you still alive? Why do keep forcing yourself to live on this shit world? Why not just end it all?

>>21976 Um, why? Now is the best time of my life. AI embodies almost all my fantasies, and the monopoly of pseudo-artists is collapsing under the mighty blows of neural networks, banks and haters, whom they have raised with their disdain for the target audience. I savor their sobs, watching how history is made before my eyes, and the community is freed from parasites. Literally like this song, where the guillotine can be replaced by AI, and nobles - by artists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqRaYBJtoho

>>18754 >Not only are you greedy, you're also a racist. And proud.

>>21974 >If you were truly bi, you wouldn't accuse me of supposedly being heterosexual. How the fuck does that make any sense you entitled whiny little bitch baby?

>>21977 Then why don't you take your retard ass over to grok and ask it to make your shitty art instead of whining about people who are trying to make a living selling their art at the value it's clearly worth? I think you're just pissy because you're a poor piece of shit honestly.

>>22030 OP has the typical lefty mentality, it's best to just ignore him, cause they have their heads so far up their own asses that it's impossible for them to understand their hypocrisy

>>22034 Dude, I'm a huge leftist. He's not a lefty, he's just a retard. Like a fucking moron. He knows as much about socioeconomics as an ant knows about trigonometry. He's been taught some sanitized version of communism that somehow jumps from "Capitalist Dystopia" to "Fuck you everything is free now"

>>21996 I suggest all apologists of the superiority of the white race go to Russia and see the "best of people" up close. All this stupid nonsense about "white greatness" will immediately disappear. However, there is no need to go to Russia, there is plenty of white trash in the USA too. If I write to someone, asking for help as a "white brother", I will be declared crazy. Blue-eyed blond Evan is rejected. So there is no such thing as "white solidarity". >>22030 Because I don't want such people in our community to BE! I don't want to play "guessing game" (who is in front of me: a sincere pedobear or a huckster), when I write to those who publish their drawings with loli and shota. I don't want to run into assholes who only pretend to be pedobears! I don't want my sincere heartfelt desire to find those who love the characters that I like, as well as the desire to introduce people to cute heroes unknown to them, to be called begging and imposition, thereby spitting in my heart! I don't want this mercantile mold to destroy and distort fandoms, turning selfless fan communication into commodity-money! I don't want hundreds of characters to be deprived of attention! I want it to be like before, like in the early 2010s, when it was unthinkable for a sholicon artist to charge his brothers; they knew from their own experience what a rare happiness it was to find their own, like themselves, who loved loli and shota; they knew that most of us were not oligarchs. The community was very small, but very active and welcoming. Every newcomer was a dear guest, everyone was appreciated and remembered. Any like, comment, letter or request was met with delight and gratitude. Now everyone is spoiled by the availability of content and platforms (Twitter was then in its infancy, and only the Japanese knew about Pixiv and sat on it) and do not know this feeling of joyful trepidation and goosebumps, when you suddenly find brothers; when a thousand people on the forum was considered an incredible number. I remember the now defunct Shotachan in its early years and that unique atmosphere of unity and accessibility. And I want it all back! For you, sholicon is measured only in money! You shamelessly parasitize on what is dear to us! You are a tumor on the body of our community. But, glory to progress, the tumor did not have time to destroy us completely, because a panacea appeared - AI. You are just dying metastases. Imagine that your parents brought you into the world not out of love and the desire to have a child, but in order to make you a slave-prostitute and make money on you. Is the analogy clear? If you do not understand, then I will convey to you as if you were stupid: THERE ARE THINGS ON WHICH IT IS BLASPHEUS AND EVEN CRIMINAL TO MAKE MONEY! Now the profiteers have become so brazen that even in this practically dead thread https://8chan.moe/sm/res/864.html of free requests for shota-drawings, they brazenly came to PR themselves, but not to draw. CasyTay is the nickname of one of these bastards. Spit in her face if you meet her. >>22035 >>22034 I have said more than once that I am not a communist, but a centrist. You don't have to be a Bolshevik to hate and despise the mercantile, for whom everyone else is not people, but wallets. Luigi Mangione and the Russian Decembrists, who loathed the rich, came from noble families and were not communists. Franklin Roosevelt and Adolf Hitler, who demanded in an ultimatum that the magnates share their super-profits with the people, were not leftists either. The ardent anti-communist and fascist Ivan Ilyin wrote: "An owner who lacks a sense of responsibility and a sense of supra-class solidarity, who disposes of his property to the detriment of others and acts antisocially, must be convinced that his way of acting is reprehensible, that his property enjoys less protection, that such management turns out to be economically, legally and morally disadvantageous for him, so that he himself would want to take a different path, etc."

All this blahblahblah to say that you don't want to work, and just receive wellfare money You're parasite, end your life

>>22115 You.

>>22110 >I have said more than once that I am not a communist, but a centrist. Yeah, like we said, you're a fucking retard

Pseudo-artists have devalued the concept of art and deprived it of its sacredness so much that now the word "artist" makes people grimace with hostility. Any post where a person declares that he draws is met not with admiration or interest, but with skepticism and ridicule. Because drawing is now firmly associated not with creativity, but with commerce. This is how "artists" are "warmly welcomed" on the Russian analogue of Reddit: https://pikabu.ru/story/kak_v_29_let_poteryat_sebya_a_potom_vnov_nayti_v_iskusstve_12786449 And this despite the fact that she did not openly advertise her commercial orientation. Those who directly postulate their mercantilism are cruelly bullied by the people: https://2ch.su/o/res/80618.html Earlier, when you revealed a new character to someone, you were thanked. Now they react as if you came not with a cute loli, but dragged a dead rat. It was impossible to imagine in the old days that you, telling about a character, would be looked at with hostility. Another red marker of a pseudo-artist. "I don't know this character" in response to your story. Not "He/she didn't catch my attention, didn't seem interesting", but "I don't know". Which clearly reads as "Why did you bring me a loli/shota, I'm not uninterested in this! Bring me money!" How do people even get to know characters? You accidentally saw a picture and liked the unfamiliar character depicted in it and you start searching for information about him. Because we all love with our eyes first and foremost, and only then begin to learn about the biography. A true sholicon would evaluate a character from the point of view of visual triggers and only then would he say whether it made his heart beat faster or did not shake him at all, not finding in him a desire to get to know him. The Huckster does not evaluate in any way, he does not linger on the picture for more than a second, because the only thing he is interested in is money, and therefore he lies so artlessly and monosyllabically, completely giving away his essence. On 4chan, I often see posts like "Why are artists so stupid and draw the same thing and follow not ideas and discoveries, but trends and hype!" And indeed, you are amazed at how limited pseudo-artists are in their mass, how narrow their cultural baggage is. Let's take, for example, a character like Marisa Kirisame. What do they draw with her? How she flies on a broom, drinks tea with Reimu, or just stands or sits. And there are tens of thousands of such similar drawings. They don’t even try to create something special, their brains are frozen like jelly, they copy the same pattern, without trying to show even a little originality. When you write to them, they get angry not only because you can’t pay them, but also because your creativity and imagination are like a blow to their pride, sharply reminding them how bad they are with ideas. Why do you think there is such a position as an art director? Because most (pseudo)artists can only draw, but not invent and think through. And the job of an art director is to give them ideas and direct them. >>21974 Also, if anyone hasn’t seen it, this cunt, among other things, also lied that she needed money to treat sick animals. As if I don't remember her previous accounts (@sameppp, now banned), where she posted photos of her rich life. She is one of those morbidly greedy people, like this Polish millionaire and his wife, who stole a cap with an autograph from a boy at the US Open: https://mel.fm/vospitaniye/sovety/8261950-privet-eto-mama-srochno-nuzhna-tvoya-pomoshch-kak-zashchitit-rebenka-ot-obmana-v-seti?infNews=true. I wish her a personal Hiroshima. In conclusion, a fresh screenshot from a furry artist channel, where they admit that they have long lost the ability to feel, and now their only incentive is money. The audience is also largely to blame for the fact that artists have become impudent. They have been overfed with adoration and honor, out of naivety, of course, from the belief in the community of thoughts. It is not for nothing that biblical wisdom says "Do not make yourself an idol!" People have forgotten that a creator without an audience is nothing and no one. That without those who can appreciate his work, his work loses its meaning. People were embarrassed to remind them that without them he is simply no one. Now is the time to destroy the ivory towers and force the arrogant little gods to come down to earth. Either they will remember where, where and with whom they started, or artificial intelligence will crush them along with censorship.

This short and emotional video will say it best for me, about how blind worship of authorities is humiliation of oneself, denial of one's right to a voice and opinion. FUCK AUTHORITIES!

>>22140 God you're the most verbose retard I've ever seen. Jesus fucking christ, go write your manifesto and get shot while doing your retard mass shooting.

>>22142 Pfft, it would be strange to expect any other comment from a pseudo-artist. You and your gang have a brain the size of a grain of barley. Therefore, a text longer than a couple of words causes a BSOD in your nanobrain.

All talk and still no muh BSC.

>>22143 Nah you're just a retard that thinks that writing a bunch of words makes somehow intelligent and sophisticated, while your entire point is quite simple and moronic You put to shame any crooked politician in that regards, you should work in the Putin regime I bet they'll love to have someone like you