>>4807 I don't watch or like 80s cartoons. I have a little to say about Transformers. I don't get the hype. Yeah yeah cool toys but people are so autistic about this franchise & the absolute production mess that is G1 that I expected to get something out of it. I tried watching some episodes when that alcoholic cunt Craig was streaming it. The bad animation, dumb plots, & a billion "characters" kept me away for most of it. The movie itself is cool but it has all the problems the series has.

>>4810 For me is just dumb fun. I grew up with Transformers and watch the movie every Christmas. I never try to take it too seriously and just enjoy watching the good robot aliens kicking the bad robot aliens's ass.

>>4814 There's just nothing for me to grab onto. No interesting plots, characters come outta nowhere, & didn't have anything to really say other than "freedom good". Which is a good message in of itself but not enough to carry a toy commercial for me. Stuff like Bionicle, Gundam, Kamen Rider, & Ultraman show you can easily do a lot of great things with shows primarily marketing toys. I will admit I also have a bias against cars. They just aren't cool to me. Bikes, jets, & any sort of animal though make great transformation options to me.

>>4816 Maybe try the new Transformers: War of Cybertron Siege show. I think that is more straight forward (Is on Shitflix though so better pirate it). And if you like videogames give Transformers Devastation and Fall of Cybertron a try. Some say Beast Wars is pretty good but i have never watched it. There is also a discussion on /v/ about the lore which is pretty weird >>>/v/74747.

>>4818 No I tried that Netflix show. It's terrible. Like I not even G1 nostalgia hungry fans would like it. I did play Fall of Cybertron years ago. Two good games there. Wish I held onto them. Beast Wars is one of those shows that aged like fruit. Meaning is very very quickly rotted. Writing quality I have no idea but the CGI is absolutely awful. Even worse in Beast Machines where they get more detailed uncanny faces.

>>4810 The Transformers G1 cartoon is for a very young audience and is riddled with animation errors. The movie at least has better animation and a good soundtrack, though. But your complaints about the story and characters are all pretty much fixed in the G1 comics. I highly recommend those. The original comics published by Marvel in the '80s. Not any of the other ones that might call themselves "Generation 1," which are all different things. The original comics had much more fleshed out characters and complex and interesting plots. >>4819 >shitting on Beast Wars naw. Season 1 is a bit iffy with some of the animations, but Mainframe was mostly good at knowing their limitations and working around them. Season 1 also isn't as strong with its plots, but 2 and 3 get much better, and Season 3 has much better animation. The stories and characters in Beast Wars are also both excellent. A high point for the franchise. Nothing else later has come close.

>>4836 Back when Marvel could actually write good stories, I'd imagine. I hear that Japan has an even sillier japanese dub for not just G1 but the whole franchise then an exclusive continuity season plus a manga. No idea how their quality is. >>4836 It's the animation that doesn't hold up even if the writing does.

>>4837 I'd say the animation in Beast Wars (and other Mainframe shows, like ReBoot) holds up a lot better than almost any other CG, not just from its era, but from a long time after. It does get significantly better in Season 3, though. Mainframe typically made much better designs and worked within their limitations much better than even modern CGI. It's a hell of a lot better than the Japanese Transformers CGI shows that came out years later. I might even go so far as to say it is more appealing than Prime. I know I'll catch flak for that. But then 1v1 me, motherfuckers. >Back when Marvel could actually write good stories, I'd imagine. Their downfall was very recent and very sudden, and the '80s was arguably their peak. The '80s Transformers comics are what almost everything later is based on, moreso than the cartoon. Though the movie is sorta canon to both the cartoon and the comics. >Japanese Transformers Oh boy. Well that's a whole rabbit hole, with much more material than American Transformers. I tried to explain it to someone on /v/ a while back, and the post is still up, so I'll copy it here... In America, there was always at least two continuities, the comics and the tv show. And also there were smaller continuities, like the bios on the back of toy packages, as well as "micro-continuities," like one-off storybooks or whatever. The continuities were mostly pretty similar, though, enough that Beast Wars just sort of considered it all canon and it wasn't really a problem. Also, there was the UK, where they published extra comics that were considered canon there in addition to the US comics, which were also published there, but with slight edits to make the UK exclusive stuff fit into it. After Beast Machines, the whole franchise got a hard reboot with Robots in Disguise, originally made in Japan and called Car Robots, which is a new continuity, as far as the west is concerned. Then after that there were a series of three more animes that were originally not in continuity with each other, but the english localization mashed them together and said they were the "Unicron Trilogy." There were convention exclusive comics and text stories and even live script readings that were all canon and tied together. They began in the Beast Wars era and continued a little after Beast Machines and took the story a little bit further, but it got cancelled in the middle of a big story where a bunch of the best warriors from throughout the multiverse were fighting Unicron, because oh yeah, Unicron is actually only one guy in every continuity, and he goes from universe to universe wrecking shit. Same with Primus, I think. I'm not clear on this, but I assume each body in different universes is its own thing but he inhabits all bodies at once, because obviously we see Unicron (his body at the very least) get destroyed in multiple continuities). Also, I don't think they ever explained how the fuck Unicron could be the same guy in every continuity when the G1 cartoon, the most prominent continuity of all, gives him a wildly different origin than everything else, and his origin in all the other versions is really important to the entire idea that he's one multiverse-hopping guy in the first place. Anyway, more convention exclusive stories that now focused on the Unicron Trilogy characters had them join the fight against Unicron that began in the post-Beast Machines-focused convention exclusive comics, and the characters from the G1/Beast Wars/Machines continuity sort of just fizzled out as basically their final story got stolen by guys from a different continuity, and that's the end of the original Transformers continuity. It just fizzled out. Or you can ignore all the convention exclusive stuff and just count the end of Beast Machines as the end, but actually the convention exclusive comics are really cool, so it just sucks they never got a good ending. In Japan, they went in the other direction. Fuck multiple continuities, everything is canon in the same universe. At least everything that was actually published in Japan. So all those comics don't count. But the G1 cartoon does, except for the last couple episodes, because they never aired in Japan, and instead Japan made their own sequel series that disregarded those episodes, and then made a bunch more sequel series, as well as manga, and sometimes important shit that explained how all these series could possibly be connected was actually only explained in like one-page promotional manga published in the Japanese equivalent of TV Guide, or things like that.

So Beast Wars happened and it was a bit comedic, but Japan basically did a gag dub of it. Also, they made Airazor male instead of female, so when she started a romance with Tigatron, they basically just made them gay, for laughs. Also the eventual dub of Beast Machines, which was years delayed, basically made Silverbolt and Nightscream gay (again as a joke), and Blackarachnia made fun of them and called them "gayboys." Anyway, between seasons of Beast Wars, Japan just needed more, so they made their own Beast Wars anime. Two of them, in fact. But they aren't about the same characters, or even take place at the same time. They take place in the far future or something (even compared to Beast Wars). And the two of them are about two different sets of characters, none of whom are at all related to the regular Beast Wars series. But they do transform into animals. Airing Beast Machines was delayed in japan, they didn't bother airing it at first. Instead they did a series called Car Robots, which was dubbed as Robots in Disguise in English, and was used a reboot. But not in Japan. In Japan, Car Robots takes place in the original continuity. The Optimus and Megatron in that series are not the original Optimus and Megatron, nor are they the ones from Beast Wars. Also there was another guy called Galvatron in one of the Beast Wars anime, and he's not this Megatron either, or the original, or the one from Beast Wars. They're new guys who just have similar names. Anyway I guess Car Robots takes place in the present? Which would place it before Season 3 of the original cartoon? I'm not clear on this. Anyway, I don't know why I wrote all this because in the end, I still can't comprehend how they tried to say that the Unicron Trilogy was all supposed to be in the same continuity as everything that came before, when they weren't even made to take place in the same continuity as each other, but that's where Kiss Players comes in. Not only does Kiss Players put the Unicron Trilogy together, it tries to make sense of the entire fucking mess that came before, and connect the Unicron Trilogy series to that, too. Later, they even published an official timeline that tried to say even everything that came out later, including the live action movies, was somehow the same continuity as G1. I think everyone just fucking disregards that though because that's just plain bullshit and they never did some sort of Kiss Players story to try to mash it into making sense. Meanwhile, in the west, they accidentally got themselves into the same conundrum of trying to say everything was the same continuity when they tried to say there was only one Unicron across all continuities. But this got fucked up when they did that one game that mixed the War for Cybertron continuity (which they tried to make the "main" continuity, saying it was the same as Prime, Rescue Bots, the second Robots in Disguise cartoon, and a bunch of comics and novels) with the Bayformers universe. That fucked everything up so much that they had to do a whole comics event where they did some DC Comics style shit that rewrote the entire fabric of the universe so they could say that Unicron was actually a different guy in each universe again. But it's not like it made things any better, since by this point the comics had gone full SJW and tried to argue that somehow a race of asexual robots could be trannies, and on the other hand you had Bayformers. The cartoons are still okay, I guess, but I just can't bring myself to give a shit about them. Oh yeah, also I should mention how despite Beast Wars kind of combining all G1 continuities and just saying they all go together, there are also a bunch of comics that go with the G1 Marvel US comics but say they don't go with each other. So there were also Marvel G2 comics, which are pretty much a straight continuation of Marvel G1, but Marvel UK comics, which were basically filler (but good filler) to the Marvel US comics, aren't canon, even though they were written by the same guy who wrote the end of US G1 and all of G2. Then many years later there were things like Regeneration One, which is another sequel to Marvel G1, written by the same guy who did G2, but now he says G2 isn't canon to this. In the middle, there's a text story called Alignment which is again written by this same guy, and functions as a link between G2 and Beast Wars, but in the process mentions elements from UK and even Japanese stuff, clearly for fanservice more than anything, but it just shows how stupid it is to say things like this aren't canon. Alignment was a convention exclusive story, but it wasn't at the official Transformers convention, so unlike a bunch of other convention exclusive stories, it's not technically canon, even though it's by far the most important one and is basically the closest you'll get to an ending to G1, in addition to showing how it connects to Beast Wars. None of this is even getting into how the Movie is sort of canon to both the cartoon and the comics, but they say it isn't, even though it's quite heavily referenced, especially in the UK comics, but the UK comics have tons of different alternate future timelines that characters keep going back in time and erasing and replacing with new timelines, resulting in two different Galvatrons (who is future Megatron) running around at the same time as two different Megatrons. Keep in mind though, these UK comics are by far the best piece of Transformers media that exist, so don't think I'm saying they're bad. Just that they're complicated as fuck. I just realized a guy in this thread already linked to the /v/ thread I copied this from, but fuck it.

>>4807 >What are you anons currently watching? jap shit but every once in a while I go back to watch Exo-Squad

>>4858 >>4859 Man I gotta be honest. This is all retardedly complicated.

>>4896 That's what makes it so good. Personally, I don't give much of a shit about anything that isn't in the original continuity. Or rather, "continuity family," which is what they call it when a bunch of technically distinct continuities are basically considered the same thing. Like how in the '80s there was the G1 cartoon, the G1 comics, the toys (with bios), storybooks and stuff like that, and they're all technically separate continuities, but fuck it. Close enough. And Beast Wars and Beast Machines also count in that family. But on the other hand, I also like to take a broad view approach to continuity. I like to consider as much canon as possible. Like technically the Marvel UK comics are not considered canon to the Marvel G2 comics, but that's bullshit. Yeah, there are slight differences, like the story where they meet GI Joe is different because GI Joe had a different comic in the UK, but there are also bits from the UK comic that are referenced in the US comic, including the G2 comic. Fuck it. You might as well squint and count it as canon. But if you read the G1 comics, both US and UK, and watch the G1 cartoon, and Beast Wars and Beast Machines, then the next step is to watch the anime up to Car Robots. They're all still pretty much G1 continuity, and they don't wreck the continuity too hard, if you squint. And they get light references in the convention exclusive comics, implying that they're canon there, albeit they would require slight differences to make them fit perfectly. The convention exclusive comics are the last piece of the puzzle in the G1 continuity family. Everything after Car Robots and Beast Machines (or rather the convention exclusive stories based on Beast Machines) are a different continuity (family) and can be disregarded. Except later a hentai manga named Kiss Players did some time travel stuff to make the next three anime series technically considered the same continuity, at least in Japan. And then later American comics would establish stronger rules for the makeup of the multiverse, tying things together in that way, but you don't need to worry about it. Oh yeah, also there's an official Facebook Page that acts as if it's run by Alpha Trion or one of the other godlike near-omniscient Transformers, and what it says (in character) is considered canon. So that's a clusterfuck and I just pretty much ignore it since it's literally the equivalent of counting the Sonic the Hedgehog twitter as canon, and as funny as that would be, you can't rely on it for consistent canon, especially since it isn't even in any particular continuity.

>>4807 Mysterious Cities of Gold (1982), though I'm currently a few episodes into season 3 (2016) season 2 (2012, yes 30 years after the original it got season 2) was pretty good, if a bit more laidback and childish than the original; they aren't exploring dying empires anymore (S2 is China, which was fairly prosperous in the early 1500s) and there's no one overtly threatening their safety for the most part like Pizarro or the Olmecs did (aside from minor arc villains the only major villain actually wants the heroes to find the cities), but it's still ADVENTURE as fuck the children are more fearless as a result of their experiences, and Mendoza kind of went through the bulk of his character growth in season 1, but this kind of removes personal conflict as a story element, so the writers had to create some less organic drama; Mendoza disappears from the story sometimes so he can do shit that makes it look like he's supporting the villain, Tao decides he's sick of Esteban's chosen one-ness (he's mostly butthurt about Esteban's secret origins), and Esteban's father is alive and trying to make anti-cancer meds but gets kidnapped at the end of the season season 3 has them in Japan (ostensibly much more dangerous than China at the time) and they run into an old friend (Gaspard from season 1, who's training soldiers in the use of rifles). Local lords are trying to wage a war around them and want their cool flying machine >>4864 any idea where I can find good quality rips of Exo-Squad? I only ever seem to find trash quality

>>4898 >season 3 has them in Japan (ostensibly much more dangerous than China at the time) and they run into an old friend (Gaspard from season 1, who's training soldiers in the use of rifles). Local lords are trying to wage a war around them and want their cool flying machine Do they meet William Adams and help him battle youkai?

>>4899 unlikely; MCoG takes place starting in 1532, William Adams was born in 1564

>>4810 G1 was good in bursts, sometimes it came off as good but yeah as mentioned its mostly just a childrens show. Some episodes were fun and gave interesting ideas; and probably were the final turning point in regards to whether transformers should just try proper stories rather than a giant mess of whatever. But it really is just incredibly inconsistent, you'd think Fire in the Sky saying Starscream was a scientist would be ignored or kept; but the show seriously just keeps on swapping back and forth. Season 1/3 are probably the higher points; both have a higher consistency to whether they're really trying at all. Too bad that doesn't apply to season 3s animation; which is usually the worst the show has to offer. All and all, i think ideas and backgrounds are the best the show has; not exactly worth it to watch much of it. The movie is a pretty fun romp even if it is almost incoherent due to how much of it was just cut out. >>4858 >After Beast Machines, the whole franchise got a hard reboot with Robots in Disguise, originally made in Japan and called Car Robots, which is a new continuity, as far as the west is concerned. It should be pointed out, Car Robots was officially a part of G1 and western dub wise its wasn't super distinct. >Then after that there were a series of three more animes that were originally not in continuity with each other, but the english localization mashed them together and said they were the "Unicron Trilogy." Fun fact about this, the unicron trilogy was pre-planned and armada-energon were a part of the same series even in japan. It seems like the japs really didn't want to follow the outline that was made in the west and constantly ignored it till the point of galaxy force where they just made it detached; except even in japan this was retconned into it being the sequel to energon. The english version of armada actually uses earlier versions of episodes, and energon has a dub thats practically nonsense and the only episode they cut is a major character one. Like seriously, the armada toyline had shit that a leaked version of the clear "energon linking point" actually integrated into the show but it is nonexistent in the final. They wanted to use classic characters around the time of unicron arriving, so you have shit like Terrorsaur in the toyline.

>>10404 Actually i misremembered, it was the outline for energon; not the end of armada. I could post all of it but instead i'll just post what i remember rather than digging it up. They find "classic" transformers in unicrons insides(one thing this actually shows is that armada wasn't actually meant to have a fight against unicron); they get mutated by staying in unicron gaining combination abilities(something the autobots in energon retained). And minicons becoming "Omnicons" which also did make it into energon but i don't even remember what the final show really gives as an explanation in regards to them. Basically the outline calls this process unicron turning them into drones, megatron thinks if he finds unicrons spark he can control him so he touches it and begins to mutate rapidly and becomes "galvatron"; the whole "megatron tries to control unicron and it backfires" exists in the final show. Primus was also a part of the outline so it seems that while the final shows are pretty fucking detached they did loosely follow them; though the bios make me think they sometimes very intentionally went in the other direction like with starscream just getting mind wiped. A lot of the bios seem to be reliant on something that isn't the show; starscreams reflects what you would think he'd do in the show so i have to think his armada character arc was actually something planned from the start. The english bios make it pretty clear that the random extreme design changes for some of the armada characters wasn't intended; in fact Demolishor got a third repaint for the cybertron line. Galaxy Force/Cybertron notably feature a really weird continuity in the bios, there's this pretty fleshed out minicon conflict so i have to imagine it was an outline thing; Thunderblast is randomly noted to be friends with Sideways so i have to think the starscream allegiance was planned from the start though was probably intended to last. The black hole focus in the bios makes it seem like it was always intended for unicron to become one after he "died", even if the insanely stupid way they attached it to energon is now reliant on it. Though unicron got a totally new design and toy so who knows.

Reviving this thread because I decided to start watching the original Transformers cartoon, and it's actually very good. I have no nostalgia for it as the earliest TF media for me was Armada and Energon, but I'm surprised how much more serious and violent the tone of the show is. What the Hell happened?

>>20776 >What the Hell happened? Can you be more specific? But the answer is probably Transformers: The Movie, where the execs once again proved how pants-on-head fucking retarded they were.

>>20801 >Can you be more specific? Looking at the show, there are real stakes or problems that occur as a result of Deception's actions or someone else's. And, all the "silliness" (Like the planet of giants or time traveling to Camelot) are few and far between. >But the answer is probably Transformers: The Movie, where the execs once again proved how pants-on-head fucking retarded they were. How so? Just finished the first two seasons early this week, pulled out the movie, and just reveled in the 80's power metal mixed with top-budget Nip quality animation. That's also beside the fact that the movie does feel like one big pay-off for everything that happened over the previous two seasons.

>>20776 I could never get into the series once it rebooted. I like the original continuity best. With that said, I should admit that the one that got me really autistic as a kid was Beast Wars, not the original (though I did watch the original a lot, but it's not like it had enough continuity to get the autism going). If you think the original is dark, you gotta see Beast Wars and Beast Machines. I could never get into the ones after Beast Machines, since it was a full reboot and therefore I didn't care anymore, but I'm shocked to hear that somehow it's more lighthearted than even the original series. But yeah, The Movie is awesome. Not that there's much of a plot. And they killed all the characters you cared about. But the music is awesome. And the animation looks awesome, despite significant errors (clearly Thundercracker and Skywarp were supposed to become Scourge and Cyclonus, and the Insecticons were supposed to become the "Armada" and "Sweeps," but they fucked it up and the "Armada" disappeared and an Insecticon became Cyclonus). The movie is basically a cool feature length music video. And the regular series does have cool episodes, don't get me wrong, but too many are "filler," and the cool ones feel too far apart for my tastes now. Though as a kid I did like it a lot. But later, Beast wars has proper arcs and characters contemplating suicide over complex moral dilemmas. It's way better. But the original Marvel comics are the best version of Transformers anyway.

>>26728 On a related note, is there any difference between the different versions of Devastation?

Once in a grand while, I'll dig into my archives and try to suffer my way through shows I liked when I was 6 years old, but Kidd Video and ALF are kinda' rough most of the time. >>26729 None that I'm aware of, but I just have the PS3 version.

>>26729 I mean they're both mediocre.

Transformers: Rise of the Beasts trailer just dropped! https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WWWDskI46Js

>>30714 Didnt Acree die in the second one?

>>30715 Bumblebee is a reboot. This has no connection to the Bayformers movies.

>>30714 So it's Beast Wars characters but not the Beast Wars story? Why would I give a shit, then? They've tried this before and never seem to understand that it defeats the point. >>30716 Except it was only called a reboot after it was already made, because they realized everyone grew to hate the earlier ones. So really it's not a reboot, it's just a point at which they said "okay after this, you can ignore earlier continuity." It's even lazier and dumber than a reboot.

>>30714 What's the point of turning into animals whilst being massively bigger than the animal? You can't disguise yourself as a Cheetah whilst being 5 times the size of one.

>>30718 This is why it was a plot point in Beast Wars that Transformers went through an era where they all became smaller, to save energy. Because obviously a gorilla isn't the same size as a truck.

>>30717 It literally doesn't work in the Bayformers timeline so it was always a reboot to begin with.

>>30720 Nothing after Dark of the Moon works in the timeline. Age of Extinction introduces the dinobots and "Transformium" (The latter never seem again), establishing they're extremely important to Transformers existing, and that Transformers were made by a creator instead of the Allspark. Then The Last Knight throws things for an even bigger loop establishing that Transformers have been deliberately fapping about with Earth's history since the Fall of the Roman Empire (Which contradicts everything from the previous films), that there's a secret society of Templars working with the Transformers (That, at some point, initiated Sam despite him not knowing anything about his grandpas ramblings beyond being just that), and bringing Cybertron into Earth's orbit (Despite being destroyed in DotM, and managing to cause zero gravitational disturbances). I know the cartoons weren't exactly keeping things straight when it came to their time travel scenarios and origin stories, but at least there was some leeway where nothing directly contradicted itself.

>>30722 >It was a cartoon to sell toys <Its now movies to sell toys

>>30722 >I know the cartoons weren't exactly keeping things straight when it came to their time travel scenarios and origin stories, but at least there was some leeway where nothing directly contradicted itself. The original cartoon has tons of blatant contradictions, even if you discount things like animation errors. For example, the constructicons are given multiple different origin stories. There was no leeway, and it was a much more blatant contradiction than anything you described about the movies. The comics and Beast Wars were legit, though.

>>30724 >For example, the constructicons are given multiple different origin stories. Their origin, that I remember, was that they were original Autobots, until they experienced Megatron's brainwashing and became evil. But, that's only from watching G1, haven't progressed in Headmasters or later.

>>30722 Well yeah. They just made it up as they went along. It's why every movie the character designs changed & new characters were added with no explanation. Well bad on the fly writing AND the want to sell toys. Anyway, it's pretty blatant Bumblebee & TRoTB is doing it's own thing. I just hope they don't try to tie it into the Bayverse by saying the Maximals come from the future of that timeline where Unicron awakened.

>>30714 https://archive.ph/KzUnD >In terms of how the seventh installment will elevate the franchise, Ramos feels the new characters, especially with Black and Brown people in leading roles, will play a factor.

Transformers G1 is just loved by people that grew up in the 80s. Nerds of a certain age are obsessed with it

>>30798 Can't have just simple fun entertainment anymore.

>>30798 >calling Optimus Primal a nigger just because he's a gorilla

>>30798 Having a film with no human characters would greatly elevate franchise.

>>30824 >black and brown >no human characters Congrats. You're getting what you wanted.

>>30825 If I wanted to see a film about animals and advanced technology I'd watch Wakanda Fornever. But jokes and quips aside, the human-transformer relationship gets old fast. Which is why I can't bring myself to endure the first Bayfomer film. As the human characters start to make the whole thing campy.

>>30826 It's why Beast Wars is the best Transformers series. No humans. Those "Proto-Human" little monkey men were 1) funny little monkey men, and 2) only in a couple of episodes anyway.

Here's your new Wheeljack.

Are there any GOOD /co/ related films coming out? I'm tired of talking about shitty ones.

>>30881 >sunglasses >no light up ear muffs IT'S SHIT

>>30883 They're not sunglasses. They're NERD glasses.

>>30881 I hate it.

>>30882 no.

>>37043 I guess we could say that Jem is coal

Jem has as much chance of coming back as /pol/ has of being right. Even Hasbro has conceded & moved on. >officially licensed product

>>38154 So you're saying Jem's coming back then?

Studio Trigger did an animated tribute video for Transformers 40th anniversary. Files too big so have a catbox link unless someone wants to post it smaller. It's just chocked full of detail. https://files.catbox.moe/c2stjv.mp4

>>38154 >Even Hasbro has conceded & moved on. Too little too late. Hasbro really dropped the ball when it came to gen4.

I grew up in the 80s and watched those cartoons as a kid. I tried watching some of them recently, and they are completely unwatchable. As a general rule, 80s kids cartoons suck utterly. Surprisingly, the girls' cartoons aged better, but even they were bad. Occasionally, there were some gems mixed into the slop. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles has aged better than others, which is a bit surprising given how rooted in the 80s the characters were. It does the action anime thing better than The Transformers did. He-Man is campy enough to be good for a laugh, and the setting was unique if silly. The Smurfs had the occasional moment of genuine witty humor. Thundercats had a neat style to it. The original My Little Pony was surprisingly metal in the early-80s sense. It reminds me of another 80s cartoon--Heavy Metal. Speaking of which, the 80s cartoons for adults were often spectacular. Heavy Metal was dark, edgy, and brutal as befitting a film with that title. It also gave us Taarna. The Last Unicorn, The Secret of Nimh, and Watership Down were vicious and made no bones about trying to upset and disturb their audiences, which is strangely refreshing from the perspective of this boring-ass era. Oh shit, Watership Down was from the 70s. It sure felt 80s. >>38154 Jem could work as a modern kids show. It's practically already that idol shit that the Japs and Koreans love. It's no surprise that Hasbro has no idea how to use their own properties. >>41212 Hasbo loves to take unique worlds and radical ideas and just piss them down their legs. The whole company is run by the marketing department, and it shows.

>>41235 Hasbro is a toy company. They don't care about the stories and characters. They include them begrudgingly. They would much prefer to have a whole new cast of Transformers every year, or every episode, so that kids would have to buy more toys to get all the characters they like from the show. You're lucky that Jem didn't join the 27 club at the end of Season 2 and get replaced with a new singer. She probably would have if the backlash against the death of Optimus Prime wasn't so significant.

>>41238 >Hasbro is a toy company. They don't care about the stories and characters. Which is a crying shame, because they have had some gems lel dropped in their laps. They could have made bank on the intellectual properties if they had bothered to develop them instead of relying on the toy department for its profits.

>>41246 They make bank anyway. How many Transformers movies do we have now?

>>41253 And so they will never change. God, I wish that entertainment creators would be compensated according to how good the products that they create are instead of according to how they leverage intellectual properties for profit.

>>41254 That's what "good" means. It's the only objective means of measurement. If you want to reward people based on how good you personally think something is, then get rich and become a patron. That's how it used to work.

>>41255 Why should we need objectivity when determining the worth of entertainment, a thing which is inherently subjective?

In retrospect, I & the world were too harsh on Transformers One. It's actually a decent movie that's surprisingly serious. It's just Key B that's incredibly annoying through the whole thing in a not even funny way. Had he at least had a better younger voice then maybe he'd be more endearing instead. I also think the black guy voicing D-16 doesn't have a tough growly enough voice to do it. Especially when he truly becomes Megatron. The trailer's really didn't do this movie any favors by front loading them with the terrible comedy instead of the action with 80s rock music. It's kinda too late to save it at this point but with nothing else good to watch, fuck Wild Robot, maybe people should give it a chance.

>>41482 >The trailer's really didn't do this movie any favors by front loading them with the terrible comedy instead of the action with 80s rock music. It's kinda too late to save it at this point but with nothing else good to watch, fuck Wild Robot, maybe people should give it a chance. To be honest, I've just checked out of having any interest in Transformers (Like much of the rest of modern media) due to them shoving Queer theory into the comics and shows. If they legitmately did make a good movie, I don't care because of how they're doing everything possible to antagonize people over the past several years, and then wondering why companies cannot release a successful movie even if their future depends on it.

>>41485 That is also likely a factor to why people didn't care. Burnout from Bayformers then the reboot universe with Bumblebee dropping the ball just as bad in it's sequel. Plus like you said everything with IDW & Earthspark turning the series into a soapbox for gender identity bullshit. Paramount producer Lorenzo is also not helping by continuing to say contradictory shit about how Bumblebee first & now TF One were/are part of the Bayformers continuity. Even though it's impossible logically in every way. But that kind of thing just makes people confused & avoid it all further.

If the "easter egg" background images on the box art for the GI Joe SDCC Cold Slither action figure set is any indication, any modern Jem stuff is not going to use the "Misfits" band name, not unless they pay a licensing fee to the real band. I guess the old episodes on streaming or DVD do not have to censor it but new media is barred from the name. That will probably make someone seethe.

>>52262 I'm upset about that, but I get it. If they ever did some follow up to the show, they could have a joke where Eric somehow lost the rights to the name and they had to change it. But honestly, it could be worse.

we had it so good in the 70s, only for trashformers and the retarded turtles to ruin it for everybody. Not that it matters much, animation is dead nowadays, you are going to have fun regardless. I have realised that even if it's full of stinky hot shit, if you have taste, you are going to appreaciate it anyway, as long as is not weird shit like hotrod or the 10th million scooby spinoff.

>>52268 Which decade they all started hiring dykes and ruined everything?

>>52268 >70s >peak cartoons You acknowledge yourself it's full of constant clones & ripoffs. It was also a lot of mindless gag cartoons that largely are not remembered even on nostalgia. The 80s & 90s tried more real plot shows with characters that aren't just ways to rehash gags. It wasn't all great but it was an era that put more effort in.

>>52301 considering how everything has been completely destroyed so far, i'll say 2020. No decade is perfect, but holy fucking shit what the fuck happened >>52304 >>70s >>peak cartoons i haven't said anything of the sort. It was heavily regulated by parent associations and is when "saturday morning cartoons" were well established and the flinstones couldn't be considered for everybody but children exclusively. You could see the change of tone and writing in real time watching super friends and comparing it with the comic counterparts. Still better than the toyetic era in which cartoons weren't allowed to just be cartoons, and now everything had to sell toys. >The 80s & 90s tried more real plot shows with characters that aren't just ways to rehash gags. which TF wasn't an example of. TF precisely is the perfect example of a good getting destroyed destroyed by execs. The 90s were absolutely peak however, and the closest we got to the long gone golden era both quality wise, writing wise and artistic wise.

>>52303 He's got a point, in the 70s: Many cartoonists still had their last chance at spitballing to see what it sticks but also it was the beginning of strict TV norms (blame Fred Rogers for that I guess), even the Flinstones was considered controversial for having a couple sharing the same bed. Did the 80s era of cartoons have its fair share of controversies besides crunching animators overseas? >>52328 >TF precisely is the perfect example of a good getting destroyed by execs. You can also throw in the ninja turtles, how the hell it didn't get its ironic status nowadays? Is it because of the Nickelodeon reboot that won the hearts of many tumblrinas? >90s was definitely a renaissance But at what cost? The growth of a mafia of animators who personally blacklists anyone who doesn't fall in line or refusing to give sexual favors in return (e.g. the many CalArts creations that coincidentally share the same showrunners)

>>52328 I disagree. While 80s TMNT is heavily still a comedic show, Transformers tried much harder telling more serious stories with characters. There was more points to it. Toyetic shows are not the issue. Everything is meant to sell a product. Surprise surprise kids like toys & they like it more if you can sell them toys of characters with life to them.

>>52328 >Still better than the toyetic era in which cartoons weren't allowed to just be cartoons, and now everything had to sell toys. You never watched shows from the 50's and 60's, did you? Where the actors and characters in the show devoted screen time of the show towards being a commercial for some product. Advertisements have always been an aspect of television. The only "difference" is how they were implemented each era. This is true even in Japan where majority of a show's money comes from advertising and merchandise sales, yet I don't think you'd ridicule anime for the same practices. >which TF wasn't an example of You haven't watched the show, have you? Otherwise you'd know about aspects like the three Cybetronians wars. How the robots came to transform. Even why the "only" Cybertronians who are female are all Autobots. Or how the entire last season of the show is about Decepticons being lead by literally and unironicly mentally-handicapped Galvatron. >The 90s were absolutely peak however Aside from the DCAU, what else was there? The Marvel shows were an absolute joke, especially Spider-Man as he was literally prevented from directly hurting anyone as a mandate from Fox and so spent majority of the episodes dancing. Also I would like to point out that America was receiving localized anime since the 60's. With shows like Astro Boy, Kimba, Speed Racer, Gatchaman (Which had Shaggy's voice actor), Robotech, Voltron, etc.

>>52341 Are you seriously ignoring Ren & Stimpy? Imagine how much a relief that was after watching so many shitty cartoons with has-been celebrities or flavor of the month slop that plays it safe only catering to hedonists.

>>52336 i really don't understand the turtles appeal, i just assume people like the merch and silly costumes rather than actually liking them, probably the purest raw form of a toyetic cartoon, because i honestly don't get it. About the mafia, that's kinda what always happens, HB went to shit because of it. CN is dead nowadays but you just know we are going to see more shitty adventure time spinoffs, but in the end none of that will matter. I think is more likelly that someone else kickstarts something new, probably amazon idk i don't follow anything new anymore everything is just so fucking bad man >>52340 >>52341 the issue i have with TF was that it always bends the knee to execs at some point no matter what. I think Toyetic is a bigger cancer because whatever intention they had at world building and story telling was going to get shut down the moment they wanted a new toy on the shelves to sell. And this happened in the Unicron movie, and were not subtle at all, and people hated it, but they learned, and every TF material afterwards follows the same trent of masquerading more toys in the form of content. I just can't take anything seriously anymore. This isn't just an 80's thing sure, BW suffered for it. Animated getting axed for a bootleg cheaper show, even the japanese TF is victim of this cancer. even the freaking bayformer films which have almost as much movies as the xmen, yet nobody cares because is obviously just more toy shilling with zero substance and fake hype about george washington knowing GI Joe or whatever the fuck. TF as a franchise, as well as the turtles, exists only to sell toys, regardless of the talent invested onto the series. This is the big difference with what cartoons were in the previous decades. >>52340 >Surprise surprise kids like toys sir these are cartoons. Why everything has to be about the freaking toys, i want to enjoy the craft and for people to tell stories, with that said i doubt is kids the ones buying 300 USD toys these days. >>52341 >You never watched shows from the 50's and 60's, did you? >You haven't watched the show, have you? why are you like this >Aside from the DCAU, what else was there? The Marvel shows were an absolute joke, especially Spider-Man as he was literally prevented from directly hurting anyone as a mandate from Fox and so spent majority of the episodes dancing. how about you watch something beyond super heroe shows my man. Ren and Stimpy as that other anon said would be a good start. And about the anime getting localized, i was discussing western productions only.

>>52357 >>52364 >Ren and Stimpy Anything else? >And about the anime getting localized, i was discussing western productions only. You cannot discuss Western cartoons, and the environment they were produced in, without bringing up anime. The shows I mentioned up above have become major culture icons here in the America. And series like Transformers and half of WB's 90's "renaissance" shows were animated by Japanese studios for Western consumption.

>>52364 I mean, even Gundam suffered from that, hence why THE original Gundam is bright white with primary colors, it was designed to be turned into a toy that would appeal to kids.

>>52383 yeah and tomino is still pissed off to this day, he wanted a realistic mecha for the Gundam not a toy. Funnily enough gundam fags are convinced their guy with a suit are realistic weaponry.

>>52388 >yeah and tomino is still pissed off to this day, he wanted a realistic mecha for the Gundam not a toy. Citation fucking needed.

>>52390 couldn't find a better source like an interview but here is a random text from wikipedia >The White Base, the mothership of the protagonist crew members, is designed with a 3 plane view method by Kunio Okawara, however, it is not specially designed for the anime series Gundam, it was actually a salvaged design from the anime Invincible Steel Man Daitarn 3.[5] The idea of having a space carrier from Tomino is partly inspired by the earlier science fiction anime Space Battleship Yamato, which he claimed to be a fan of.[5] It was intended to be in a more realistic black color, but was changed to white by the order of Sunrise, who similarly ordered the main mecha, Gundam, changed from a grayish white to white, red, blue and yellow. Director Tomino showed great disgust in the color change, also noticing the unrealistic non-aerodynamic design of it after the show was on air, said in an interview that such design would never appear in the real world, since it would be a sitting duck from fighter aircraft. Tomino still held a grudge 10 years after the show aired and stated in an interview in Newtype 1989 April issue that the imaginary enemies of Gundam are Sunrise, sponsors and television stations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam In the early days Clover was pushing toyetic shit and even cancelled the original anime after poor sales. Tomino and Clover were in constant war, and the fuckers didn't even delivered good toys, which is why switching to bandai was a blessing for the company. G-3 is more or less what Tomino originally had in mind.You can also see a bit of it in this artwork.

>>52407 That's just a color change Tomino didn't like. Biggest design issue was it not being aerodynamic enough. Whatever that means for a mecha.

>>52412 you are ignoring his reasoning for disliking the color. You are disregarding what is a valid complaint about the design of a machine in what is meant to be a serious, realistic setting

>>52414 It's just Star Wars with mechs. Having a white, blue, & red color scheme is the least of it's problems for realism.

>>52426 >It's just Star Wars with mechs I'd say that description is more appropriate to Macross. Also, you guys are leaving out that, because of the success of Gundam, he was practiclaly given free reign on his next project, which was Ideon. A series that's infamous for have everyone die. In addition to that, he's since gone on to do other mecha anime like Xabungle, Dunbine, L-Gaim, Brain Powerd, Gainer, and Rean no Tsubasa (His most recent original work). So if the guy hasn't done a "truely realistic mecha" series at this point, I'd say the blame lays squarely on him. He's had more than enough chances to do it. And even if he hasn't, I don't think any company would really turn him down for the prospect of working with such a "legendary" creator, if not the guy being able to fund the series himself by this point.

>>52429 It's got lightsabers, space telepathy, binding mysterious power that connects everyone, a masked rival/antagonist to overcome related to a protagonist, & a super laser they have to destroy. It's Star Wars. The better than Disney's attempt at Star Wars. But yes Tomino's own lack of realism is on himself.

>>4807 I've been getting into alot of Ruby Spears kino lately. Silverhawks and Rambo mostly. Gobots has been a treat aswell though it isnt RS, irs HB. Superfriends is fun aswell.

>>52429 On the contrary, Macross is more Star Trek with mechs.

Why do most 80s toons have the most toxic fanbase imaginable? The cartoons themselves were basically toy commercials first but the toons tried to be fun, lighthearted & have strong moral messages, you could tell when the writers cared to put in a decent story(or when they did not, some were clearly out for a paycheck). The fans though? An unhinged mess so bad that the Batman rogues gallery comes off as stable by comparison. >"The animation was PERFECT" Um, no. Churning out 65 episodes a season on thise budgets? You rarely see consistent character designs or smooth animation. The budget needed for 1 decent animated movie was stretched thin for these cartoons and it showed. >Villain worship Stop that. The villains only got likesble when made into goofy caricatures but they were still genuinely awful. They were generally selfish fascists with few redeeming qualities and even if somehow given a backstory to justify why they were that way(honestly rare), it never justified their behavior >pretending the franchise is a timeless classic Transformers & TMNT only stayed big due to cinstant reboots & presence. Most every other 80s property fizzled out hard & attempts to revive them have floundered. They inevitably fail to get any new fans because putting the old cartoon on streaming doesn't get it a new audience. A few toys come out with poor hype and don't sell enough copies because the few nostalgia buyers can not support a brand >"You have to like it this specific way!" Just let me watch the cartoon without endless "episode X is crap" or "ignore season y". Getting pissy that a fan of X might like your thing? Seriously. >Those moral lessons did not take Genuinely shitty people in these fandoms that will bite your head off for nothing. I guess kids weren't listening, were they? Transformers fans are crazy. Pony fans get furious over FIM existing. MASK fans act like their franchise is Superman-tier famous. Jem fans either disavow Hatsune Miku's existence or get snippy if you mention her(have been yelled at by them for suggesting a crossover happen officially, guess they hate Miku printing money while their show is forgotten). >IP owners refusing to modernize Pumping out reruns & nostalgia merch is not bringing these properties back, but somehow someone in the process can't grasp that. They refuse to reboot or improve the flaws with a new cartoon. Too stubborn for their own good. I dare anyone to name a single 80s cartoon better than Batman TAS with a straight face, and yet TAS fans can admit when the show had its flaws

>>53949 Nostalgia even newer generations have the same problems.

>>53949 this has little to do with the 80s and everything to do with the internet enabling echo chambers to exist. Some people have lost all contact with reality and use cartoons as escapism. They are literally living under rocks.

>>53949 Damn nigger, that sure is a lot of words just to say you love the taste of uncut Aryan cock down your throat.

>>53949 >Why do most 80s toons have the most toxic fanbase imaginable? Can you actually provide examples of which shows you're talking about specifically? >Most every other 80s property fizzled out hard & attempts to revive them have floundered You do realize that you just describe content from ANY era, right? To provide an example as someone who grew up in the Aughts, where is the love for series like The Buzz On Maggie, Dave the Barbarian, and Get Ed? Or does anyone even remember that Speed Racer revival Nick did a couple decades ago? >Pumping out reruns & nostalgia merch is not bringing these properties back, but somehow someone in the process can't grasp that. Somewhat repeating myself, you do realize that you're describing media franchises in general, right? Earthbound is the classic example in relation to vidya, where Nintendo treats all the fans of the series as red-headed stepchildren that only exist as an infinite source of money as they will buy merch without question. >I dare anyone to name a single 80s cartoon better than Batman TAS Does it have to be American or can it be Japanese since TAS is animated in Japan. If it "has" to be American, you have all those films by Don Bluth like The Secret Of NIMH, The Land Before Time, and All Dogs Go To Heaven. If you'll allow anime, half of Tasunoko's catalog is killer. If it has to American AND a TV series, then I don't quite have an answer for you, probably the closest would be The New Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh, which I remember always being a good series. I haven't really seen much of 80's TV outside of Transformers, Scooby-Doo, The Smufs/Snorks. and Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends. I know the 80's Jonny Quest revival was absolute trash, especially when compared to the original series from the 60's.

>>53949 >name a single 80s cartoon better than Batman TAS with a straight face Did Batman TAS give us Penny?

>>53984 It gave us Roberta, Annie, & Baby Doll.

>>53958 >does anyone even remember that Speed Racer revival Nick did a couple decades ago? I do, only saw the first season though, parents hated how modernized it was then compared to the cartoon they grew up with. I didn't get it then and still don't think Next Gen is as bad as what we've gotten recently. >I haven't really seen much of 80's TV Well what about... <Double check <Never actually watched anything in the top 80s lists I could find <My knowledge is mostly 70s 90s and 2000s To be fair Batman TAS is also a very high bar to compare to. Even good cartoons like Jem and 13 Ghosts or anime like Dirty Pair and Dragon Ball can't compare.

>>53994 >To be fair Batman TAS is also a very high bar to compare to. Not really. It depends heavily on what you're looking for as far as "quality". BTAS is a great show, but I throw it in there with X-Men as being a show that people praise more for the nostalgia than anything else. The animation is undeniably well made, but, as I said, that is because the show was largely animated in Japan. And a lot of the shows that were coming out of Japan ALREADY look great. And as far as the quality of the episodes, I found both the sequel (Batman Beyond) and the immediately following "inferior" reboot (The Batman) to be far better in tone and storytelling. Also, if I may, I think part of what made BTAS so "beloved" for many people was the D2V movies it had, that received far more attention than the actual cartoon itself. Keep in mind that I'm speaking from my own memories growing up. Even to the point that the Superman crossover episode were compiled into and released as their own "movie". And because of what happened with live-action releases of Forever and Batnipples & Throbbin', people focussed more on the cartoon and made it out to be a far bigger deal than it actually was. Again, not saying the series is bad, just think that people vastly overrate it.

>>52373 >Anything else I would bring up The Simpsons and Beavis and Butthead but that falls into another category. >>53984 >Penny Who cares about Inspector Gadget besides the AVGN meme?

>>53039 This, thank god for metoons i aint seen silverhawks since it first aired. Back in that day the only place i could find the toys for it was in some weird store in the deep ghetto my mom didnt want to go to the major stores didnt carry them for some reason.

Pfft >Huge announcement about Jem coming back at SDCC >Amounted to Loyal Subjects saying they MIGHT make a few more dolls eventually, selling an exclusive set that cost so much no one really bought it & dragging the aging actress who sang in the cartoon on stage with some d-lister metal musicians cosplaying as Cold Slither from GI Joe, of which they had to play a bunch of Black Sabbath songs to get any attention Why are they bothering if they aren't going to put in effort on a forgotten franchise? Is it to fail on purpose so they can shrug & say "we don't get it"? And why would Jem be hanging out with a band from a terrorist group?

>>55024 >Jem >Quality

>>54004 >doesn't like Penny Disgusting

Hasbro is the "well, we tried" company. They have 2 core brands left & licenses. Of their other brands MASK- relegated to Loyal Subjects for the new toy line MLP- probably dead, might get another shitty reboot no one watches COPS- handed to another toy company that's making 1 figure, so it'll sell like shit & no more get made Jem- see COPS above. 1 new doll in February, nothing since. No new media either for anything, at best the rerun the old shit for these brands. They have not had an original idea in who knows how long. But then again SDCC this year was 99% old shit. No one does new IPs now.

I think Jem fails to resonate with new audiences for reasons >Stuck in the 80s. Onky the 80s kids can relate to the setting >Rich person with advanced tech, no one can be her Walter White does the alter ego better, he's more relatable. Anyone could go down his path. Heisenberg could be anyone. He didn't need impossible tech. Besides Jem never had moments like this because she's a doormat who let a whiny bitch & a creepy German sexual predator walk all over her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0KgYo96BpM

>>55062 >They have not had an original idea in who knows how long. To be fair, they don't "need" an original idea. A lot of Hasbro's properties is basically a license to print money, but the people in charge of the company are more focussed on pushing their politics. With everything from wheel-chair orcs in D&D to genderfluid robots in Transformers. But then again, I cannot exactly blame them when a third of the company is unironically and literally owned by Vanguard, BlackRock, and Capital Group. >>55063 >Rich person with advanced tech, no one can be her Wouldn't Jem actually sort of "work" in the modern day with the advent of vtubers and AI? Especially since all you need anymore is a halfway decent computer that will run Stable Diffusion, a Kinect that you can get off of Mercari or eBay for $20, and access to the internet.