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where did the time go
I updated to forge after I was using NAI for so long but now hopped to using Illustrious. Any quick rundown on some of this integrated stuff that might be good? Like FreeU or Kohya fix? Or don't bother?
>>27037 freeu is sort of a meme, longer gens for sometimes somewhat nicer results but it's very case by case so really how much A/B testing do you want to do when you could just gen more
yeah, this first bake is a bust. I'm gonna have to re-tag and reduce the image count for sure. This is probably the only good image I got while testing
>>27026 MOMOURA NO, STOP
>>27039 NTA, but have you upscaled dataset? There like 80% of images below 1024x1024 threshold
>>27041 I didn't, that's likely a result of kohya upscaling, which makes a lot of sense now. I should be able to get it once I look through the dataset closely
never forget that dataset is king if you do forget and train on the entirety of danbooru you're gonna poison the model by default because the approvers and contributors (and other ranks that can skip the moderation queue) are uploading shit like this non-stop https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8255735?q=-4koma from their own wiki: "Danbooru [dahn-boh-ruh] (noun): 1. (on donmai.us) A repository of high-quality anime-style art and doujinshi. 2. A taggable imageboard, with sophisticated features for keeping, organizing and finding pictures."
>>27042 That's the first thing to check after xl starts to be a thing. I'm upscaling most of the images with dat, it's not so slow as the more recent archs, but enough quality to not bother further
>>27045 >most of the images Most of the images that is below 1024 or equivalent threshold of course
Is Illustrious good at tonguejobs? (with long tongues)
>>27026 > 230 images x repeat 4 x 10 epoches = 9200 steps > CAME optimizer, 8e-5 lr for both unet and tenc > Still have to crank the weight up when there's more than a few tags It's safe to say most Illustrious lora up to now are underbake
i suppose its because im retarded and dont know how to actually use it properly but i do not really care for adetailer is there any advantage to using it instead of just inpainting images afterwards?
satou kibi got a pretty cute style, the mega with the artist names is kinda neat
>tested fifty artists >changed samplers >most of them are wildly different now i miss when everyone had the same five samplers and that was it
>>27051 same, wonder what "broke" samplers with illus in regards to this
When in doubt blame Momoura
>>27049 >is there any advantage to using it instead of just inpainting images afterwards? convenience, cleans up the face without you having to mask anything manually I prefer inpainting everything myself and cherrypicking the result
>>26870 If you use Hydrus, I made a downloader that gets all the catboxes from a thread (separate links and catbox script friendly filenames), which also gives each image thread/post numbers as tags. There's also an alt parser that will download everything else that doesn't have the catbox script filename, so you can get them separately and check if they have stealth metadata. I also made the same for archiveofsins and some other 4cuck archives if you're interested.
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>>27026 Thanks
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>>27048 What's interesting to me so far, and arguably one of the greatest strengths of the model for autist bakers, is that it seems to learn detailed subjects much, much faster than it does styles. The Zankuro LoRA also took a longer time than it should have and feels slightly underbaked on settings that would have fried it on Pony. But all the characters I've done so far have completed in significantly less steps than those while using the same settings aside from lower rank. Pony learned styles fairly quickly, but it didn't really "learn" them "properly" since the model's underlying style was so overpowering. So you didn't have to train them as long to get an OK semblance, but it wasn't very accurate to the discerning eye. On the other hand, it learned characters way too fast, frying fine details and style bleeding even with fairly style-diverse datasets. Some people are experimenting with Fishmonger which seems to learn faster and on more details than CAME, so we might see the meta shift to using Fishmonger for faster style bakes while sticking with CAME for characters. Ultimately I'm a layman surrounded by much smarter people, so I'm waiting to see more results before trying to dive in myself but it seems very promising. >>27056 God I love Alpaca.
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>>27039 I haven't been able to reply because I've been troubleshooting my computer's ram issues but sorry about the trouble
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https://mega.nz/folder/ctl1FYoK#BYlpywutnH4psbEcxsbLLg added abe tsukasa (frieren mangaka) (illustrious)
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>>27058 >that second image fucking incredible. >>27060 Excellent work. Can't download right now, but out of curiosity was this trained with character tags?
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>>27062 >was this trained with character tags? yeah, not that it really mattered anyways since illustrious recognizes basically all the popular frieren characters
>>27045 I've trained at least 200 lora for pony, so I know how to train sdxl lora, I just sort of hoped I could put it in without actually editing it.
>>27059 Not an issue, I should have done proper dataset prep in the first place, but I didn't have time to so I just tried to bake it without any editing
>>27057 I definitely see no benefit to using fishmonger, an optimizer that takes 3x the vram as came and is slower is not really a good deal to me
I'm still on pre-experimental Forge and apparently the current version is up to date with base webui now. What's the difference between Forge and Reforge now? Gradio version and compatibility? I still don't even know what's new in webui since 1.8, I'll have to find the time to read the changelog.
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is it normal for reforge to use up so much ram before even generating anything
>>27068 I should add that I have 32gb of ram
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>>27057 Now you mention it, I do remember most Pony style loras failed at replicating the skin texture of the artist There's exceptions like the ushiyama ame lora and the one fdy lora that's on civitai for a brief moment (picrel) but they were rare
>>27070 What really opened my eyes was training the Fishine LoRA on Illustrious and looking back at the same results on Pony. It made it clear just how fucked it was, Illust flawlessly learned the faux-pencil details and scratchy lines, Pony would tend to make them smudgy and harder. I would post A/Bs but I unironically deleted everything I had related to Pony.
>>27070 >fdy lora that's on civitai for a brief moment NTA, but I was investigating why that lora was working way more better than any other existed atm at regularizing with the rest of the model, and was trying to repeat that >>25990 and only after training on a small dataset from autism weights and literally just burning in the dataset it starts to work properly with that shiroko prompt there
>>27071 to me the ugly "pony" look has always been very visible, it was weird seeing people discuss how "well" some pony loras replicated styles while to me it looked genuinely bad. but yeah I kinda avoided mentioning this to avoid spoiling the fun for others
>>27060 Neato
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>>27073 I think (hope) we all noticed it to some extent. Personally it was 100% cope that we had something barely passable, NAI had both created and destroyed local and I was endlessly bummed about it. It's so immensely satisfying to have something half decent to work with again.
>>27075 >destroyed local I'm not seeing how they "destroyed" local tbh, maybe they poached some talent but I doubt changed much, we'd likely still experience similar drought and pony would still be shit even if v3 never released. yeah nai existing caused a lot of spite on halfchan but that's whatever
>>27076 No, they literally broke into my house and smashed my computer with a sledgehammer. Then kurumuz, that bastard, turned a gun on me and demanded I pay up $25/month for unlimited* generations.
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>>27060 This is nice but I can't fap to this.
There's an artist I wanna make a lora for. He essentially only draws two characters, which are not recognised on the boorus (since not a single one of his illustrations has ever been uploaded for some godforsaken reason). Do I stand a chance of the lora not having the two characters hard-baked into every gen if I add a new tag for them in the training materials?
>>27080 is this the guy who draws the size difference yuri couple
wait nvm all of m k's stuff is on danbooru...
>>27081 Well, it is size difference, but no.
>>27063 something something eating dick joke idk i didn't read/watch dungeon meshi (i did)
>>27075 >NAI had both created I don't think they wanted the model to leak even if it was "just" v1. >and destroyed local Yeah they did with V3, the salt was unbelievable and hilarious.
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name a more iconic duo than posse+wamu+healthyman
>>27086 uooh puffy, I do wonder what zankuro+ponsuke would look like on illustrious.
>>27087 The model's inherent knowledge of Zankuro has the same problems I experienced when I tried NAI where it's overfit on his gremlin proportions so it can be overpowering at >0.5 weight. 0.7 ponsuke + 0.3 Zankuro looks good though. Have some more posse+wamu+healthyman pussy too.
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>>27088 We're so back, uoh. I'll play around with this later, thanks
>>27086 this mix is very good cunny indeed, playing with adding some cromachina in
harada takehito + zankuro also good, naturally >>27092 oh god not this shit again I'm having easyfluff flashbacks
https://mega.nz/folder/OoYWzR6L#psN69wnC2ljJ9OQS2FDHoQ/folder/ekp3wTCK added koishi chikasa, last style I had planned unless something catches my eye. like 90% of what I want to do style-wise just works on illustrious, or I don't really care about artist accuracy because I'm mixing them anyways. it's fun.
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>>27095 I think weight scaling token sequences is relative, so the influence doesn't have a point where it completely drops off. It's not the same as changing a LoRA's weight.
>>27095 Weighting tokens is not the same as weighting model weights (like LoRA). I think there was a good explanation for this somewhere I can't seem to find again.
>>27096 >>27097 that makes sense but it's still funny
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I can smell the underbake from here Also the new wd-eva02-large-tagger-v3 somehow cannot detect tears, gens are tearful no matter what I prompt Back to oven you go
>>27101 Please share the lora when you're done
>>27091 Do you have a catbox for this one?
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The new wd-eva02-large-tagger-v3 is genuinely bad at detecting bodily fluids other than cum, it can't do saliva or tears Or maybe threashold of 0.35 is too high for this model I'm not sure
>>27106 4cucks pointed out that it's already starting to get sepia (and washed out colors) from the e621 dataset and I regretfully have to agree from what I've seen nice hag btw
>>27108 It's not from the e621 dataset specifically, but from the fact they're using the webp compressed versions of both the Danbooru ans e6 datasets which demolish the color range.
>>27109 >webp as if I didn't hate that format enough already
>>27109 so I guess the issue will persist with their future bakes
>>27112 Unless they change out for the uncompressed versions of the datasets, yeah. I don't have a whole lot of faith in this project as it is.
>>27113 Is there any reason why they'd use a compressed dataset other than terminal retardation?
>>27114 They seem to be pretty naive and stumbled onto a large amount of compute since some of the team members have okay-ish finetune attempts. The model that got posted was supposedly just them testing their cluster, if they were smart I would say they used the webp sets because they're smaller but I'm not convinced that is the case.
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>>27110 Kuro erotic... >>27116 kek
>>27095 >>27097 >>27098 Found what I was thinking of again. The problem doesn't exist in up-weighting, only in down-weighting. Check the dropdown here for a better explanation. Weighting methods like compel are supposed to fix this. https://github.com/BlenderNeko/ComfyUI_ADV_CLIP_emb#weight_interpretation
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>>27116 Let me guess, you NEED more?
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>>27119 Nope, but I quite like this mix I have going now but I will keep cooking. I need to experiment more with artist tags as well.
>literally every kill la kill picture is tagged "living clothes" fuck offffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
>>27121 does putting "kill la kill" in negatives not help?
>>27122 the impact isn't bad, it's just some really myopic misapplication of a tag
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Girl with short messy white hair at a destroyed factory returns. I still don't know how to properly use the model.
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https://mega.nz/folder/ctl1FYoK#BYlpywutnH4psbEcxsbLLg added ireading didn't finishing messing around with making previews but seeing as my power is about to die..
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>>27118 Practical example using the prompt from >>27096 >[blank] >(hakkasame:1.0) >(hakkasame:0.3) [comfy/a1111] >(hakkasame:0.3) [compel down-weighting]
>>27109 >training on images compressed to webp format like just fucking why
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I wonder how the model worked out the back side of these characters
>>27130 Because a source quality dataset is unnecessarily huge and the compression artefacting can be unlearned with a few hours of tuning.
>>27132 I refuse to believe you save enough on storage to justify the extra compute. also >lossy compression on a mostly jpeg dataset yeah, good luck unlearning that.
>>27132 Current Danbooru is like 15TB and you're realistically going to have like 2/3rds of that being usable since there's a lot of absurdres images with bad aspect ratios or "absolutely everyone" shots. >>27133 People don't seem to get that the compression process fucks with color data as much as it does. Yes, a lossy webp has the same bit depth as a jpeg, but the compression process causes information to be lost aside from just details/noise because of how the compression algorithms compare/calculate pixel data. The webp datasets on HF also do 90% compression. Not 98%, not 95%, but 90%. On all images. Including jpegs which may already be as bad or worse as 90% compression.
>>27132 >>27134 >Current Danbooru is like 15TB and you're realistically going to have like 2/3rds of that being usable since there's a lot of absurdres images with bad aspect ratios or "absolutely everyone" shots. yeah 15tb is like nothing today. i have more than double that in my media server
>>27132 8TB NAS-tier drives are 200€ at worst, remove all the 4komas, manga panels, gifs, flash content, furry/tumblr shit the approvers are uploading to sabotage the site and especially all videos and it's gonna be significantly less than 15TB
>>27131 These look really good but they make me notice there's some intrinsic "glossiness" to NAI that Illustrious doesn't have. Illustrious is still a bit glossy, many common artist mixes have a sort of slight metallic sheen that's especially noticeable in hair. It's a good thing for some styles, less for others.
>>27137 probably due to the additional dataset they trained on. i'm sure it's been attempted before on other models but has anyone tried training an illustrious lora on nai gens?
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experiments...?
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>>27084 you're a genius anon and i feel ashamed i didn't think of this sooner. now i need to make the food more schizo shit
>>27141 god i'm hungry, wish i could eat
god illustrious is so fucking good at cunny artists but so bad if I dont prompt any artist at all
>>27139 whats the lora?
MY WIFE IS SO GOOD THEY MADE A WIFE 2 MOMOURA GET TO BAKING, I'M TOO BUSY DYING https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=shoebill_%28ex%29_%28kemono_friends%29&z=1
>>27145 It's a lokulo no mawashimono LoRA I threw together because I realized Illustrious doesn't recognize it, probably because the images all got pruned from the dataset for being 400x400. I just did NN upscale 3x on the dataset and then have it set to gen at 1024x1024 and downscale to 400x400. I'll toss it up as an experiment on my MEGA later. >>27146 I saw her on twitter, prolly gonna have to wait a week or two until she has some more fanart. I can do it with ~20 good pics.
>>27147 >a week or two i'll either be dead or be able to bake it myself by that point, hmm


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https://mega.nz/folder/OoYWzR6L#psN69wnC2ljJ9OQS2FDHoQ/folder/XhgX0Qxa Lokulo no Mawashimono for Illustrious. Intended workflow is to generate at 1024x1024, do not use an ancestral sampler. Nearest neighbor downsize to 400x400 for best results. Alternatively you can just do whatever you want. >>27148 I'll see what I can do. It's going to require some trickery to pull off.
>>27150 uooooh
>>27150 this looks way better than the 10 image came+rex bake I tried, nice. mine learned the tail way too hard
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>>27154 decided to run that prompt (with some changes to match the version I baked) and with some cherry picking (good hand + sword rng is so hard that I just gave up after a while) I got this
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>>27155 this one was with smoothftspo
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https://files.catbox.moe/lsufr1.safetensors here's my crack at it because fuck it, but my impression is basically: dataset too small to properly generalize without style bleed, and too many white backgrounds causes a lightness bias. but for 10 images? I can't say it's too bad.
>>27157 didn't resize it, will probably update with the resized one when i'm not being lazy, but https://mega.nz/folder/fEJzmazB#OKTg2m3BkZxfbYKaH9VA-Q there's my completely under-tested version that I made because I was bored
Did anything come out of that onono imoko lora?
>>27161 oh right, honestly sort of forgot, I didn't put it in my "work in progress" folder, so it wasn't on my radar, i'll prune, retag, and bake it again to see what I can do with it
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How come Illustrious doesn't know namako? I thought it was trained on danbooru2023
>>27158 THAT'S PRETTY GOOD
>>27163 If _(takorin) doesn't work try _daibakuhatsu
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Cute bird.
>>27166 UOOH
>5070 >12GB >5080 >16GB the more you buy the more they save (in vram)
>>27163 I believe lowres images were pruned instead of NN upscaled, same issue with it not knowing lokulo no mawashimono. Thankfully styles are easy to retrain, and for namako it gives you the choice of maintaining the pixels or smoothing them. >>27168 They're just actively spitting on local AI hobbyists now, they aren't even pretending.
>>27168 every day i'm glad i bought a 3090
Verdict on NoobAI prototype?
>>27172 washed out and made by certifiable retards
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>>27170 Oh this explains why eroge artists like gayarou are mapped to their modern style, 25 years' worth of 800 x 600 game CGs were filtered out from the database
anyone know what the loli channel tag was? I'm going through banned artists and it looks like a group or something. I tried looking it up but google threatened me.
>>27177 loli_channel no idea why my autocorrect decided to correct it the moment i hit send
>>27178 ah nvm it's a board thing apparently, how odd it's the name of that book
>>27176 Danbooru corrects to "loli_channel", you can still see their generic gangbang garbage on gelbooru.
>>27181 Corrects to "loli_channel", I meant to post.
>>27182 Wordfiltered. Add a "ta".
loli
>>27184 hell yeah brother
>>27184 Can't even type the name of a famous nabokov novel here.
so which illu you guys like the most? base illu is the most creative but least stable
>>27187 i'm just using smoothspo, seems cleaner
>>27181 >their generic gangbang garbage
>>27187 I don't see much of a difference but still prefer smoothspo bacause of slightly more accurate hands
>>27191 UWOOOOOGH MUYU
>>27194 oh shit nice, she was on my radar but I was more debating whether to do erina or nasa next.
>>27173 >made by certifiable retards I don't care about Discord drama. please explain
>>27197 catbox for the first one?
>>27196 e621 and danbooru dataset... ...in webp. the sepia is already burned in
>>27198 Workflow is a fucking mess, sorry in advance. Most important thing is just the prompt and usage of kohya deepshrink. https://files.catbox.moe/1jtaaj.png
>>27197 mari/ss/a my beloved
after over a week of 40c fevers, liver-poisoning antibiotics and everything tasting deathly bitter i'm finally ready to build
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>>27194 not sure how to explain it but this lora seems really finnicky to work with
>>27203 Can you post the lora you used for this?
>>27202 have a reward to celebrate not dying: https://mega.nz/folder/OoYWzR6L#psN69wnC2ljJ9OQS2FDHoQ/folder/q4gwTCDL some more pics of her were posted in the last 24 hours so it's much more stable though it still chokes a bit on not making the entire scarf yellow (or rendering the scarf from behind at all since there's no from behind shots of her out there)
>>27206 Thanks, it was a shit week and a half. Rather the 40c fever(s) than the bitterness, I still can't actually taste sweet but at least it's not just either salty or deathly bitter anymore.
https://colab.research.google.com/github/R3gm/SD_diffusers_interactive/blob/main/Stable_diffusion_interactive_notebook.ipynb?authuser=2#scrollTo=atmx0PNQ78Wa Any of you able to run Illustrious on this? I want to know if I'm getting skill issued by not prompting correctly or if it's actually an issue I need to report because it's not loading the model correctly
dear anon who was asking for the onono imoko lora: i finally finished prepping the dataset and did a test run, was wondering why the fuck it barely had any effect. I then realized i trained it with 1/10th of the intended LR. I will rebake overnight please look forward to it.
>>27209 thats great news, thank you anon
bananachi
tried prompting mika pikazo... mistake
>>27214 seems to work well on illust, is the mistake that you proceeded to break your dick?
>>27215 define well
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What is this position called, must be a thing if Illustrious can gen it with this level of consistency
I guess I'm into spanking now.
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Feel like I've discovered hidden sovl in Noob. Absurdly high CFG with traditional media. NAI seems to have been fintuned too clean to create gens like this and base Illustrious creates a fried mess at this high CFG. I'd welcome recreation attempts in both because I'm not exactly fond of Noob otherwise.
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>>27219 Interesting. These are the results I get on reforge with similar settings, 11CFG and 0.35 rescale. Noob, SmoothFT, and base in order. None of them seem to fry, but noob paradoxically has the most vibrant colors at high CFG.
Speaking of traditional media (my beloved), what's with the golden border? It doesn't have a tag but I like it when it shows up
>>27221 It's common to apply a gold border to a finished watercolor painting, either with acrylic or gold leaf. I'm not sure exactly sure if there's a tradition behind it besides it looking nice, but it's done frequently enough that it's generalized into the tag.
>>27222 I only ever see it on Japanese traditional media, odd. Looks really nice though.
>>27223 It seems to date back to the Rinpa school of Japanese painting: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinpa_school which heavily used gold leaf, hence why you see it so much on Japanese watercolors.
>>27224 The more you know. Wish it had its own tag just to force it to show up, really sells the "traditional media, {{millipen (medium)}}, marker (medium)" bit.
>>27220 Odd, here Noob looks the worst to me. However none of these are pushed to the extreme like some of mine were. These have the more common/safe look. Will need to play around with it more.
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>>27227 BASED
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>>27227 Amazing
>>27229 nice.
>closed like 150 tabs related to pony >deleted 100gb of loras feels good, man
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>>27227 nice finally, i always love mixing his style
TAKORIN:0.3, CSRB:0.3, FIZROT:0.3 I'M COMING HOME
Has anyone made an Encore lora for Illustrious?
>>27219 >NAI seems to have been fintuned too clean to create gens like this Would be weird considering it can into oekaki/lowres. But yeah, NAI traditional media/oil painting only worked with certain artist tags for me and the texture still didn't look as nice as it does with noob here.
>>27236 noob's some new model tune of ilustrious or? Wish I still had the energy to bother with local considering how much simpler NAI is to mess with
>>27237 https://civitai.com/models/833294/noobai-xl-nai-xl >model tune of ilustrious yes haven't tried it myself yet but it seems like it's not strictly better than illu, some prefer it, some use base/spo illu >Wish I still had the energy to bother with local considering how much simpler NAI is to mess with I'd say it's worth looking into it if you got a good gpu
planasex
>>27238 I've a 3070 its more than enough for sdxl. Was getting fucked up results on illust and still required loras so gave up. Its technically better than NAI since its clearer and lowres sovl/more working tags but the annoyance of model being all over the place bothered me
>>27240 noob and smoothspo are way more stable
>>27240 usually gens get fucked because 1) a1111 is a piece of shit sometimes, have to do some no norm emphasis, prevent artifact plugin, don't look at your gpu wrong 2) more generally, high cfg is frying it, try euler/ancestral at really low cfg ~ 1.5-4 with beta scheduler for it just works. also make sure you use expected resolutions. being all over the place is a known issue due to being undercooked if you mean some artist/chars working better than others but if it's composition you literally have controlnets with local Requiring loras being a downside does make it sound like you're the target audience for NovelAI's ui/ux which isn't a bad thing, it's an underrated part of their product and why they're in business
>new message in the announcements channel >how to use v3 for absolute retards REEEEEEE WHERE'S V4
>>27242 >Requiring loras being a downside does make it sound like you're the target audience for NovelAI's ui/ux it IS a downside no matter how you look at it spo is much easier to use without any loras though
>>27244 v3 was in november, wouldn't expect v4 any earlier later if anything
>>27246 fiiiiine
it turns out that the 7000d isn't THAT heavy when you take off the side panels...
>>27242 im not new to local, I just burned out around XL days, pony score prompting was retarded. Might look into noob if it's stable as >>27241 says
>>27249 >pony score prompting was retarded i wish this was the only retarded thing about pony
>>27244 i fully expect them to cook slop considering their erato fail but if v4 is a new imagen revolution i'll be happy with that too
>>27251 i don't think they even put any effort into textgen anymore
>>27248 sitrep: i have procrastinated for nearly 11 hours whoops
>>27253 building computers is fun, stop being gay
>>27254 building computers is fun, getting sucked into symphony of the night while you wait for the media creation tool to do its thing is even more fun
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total 24 pin connector death it took a butter knife to the eye and nearly 2 hours of wiggling and prying to get it out
>>27257 i had an asrock mobo for years and the atx connector felt a little cheap, every time i had to plug/unplug it it felt like the PCB was going to snap
>>27258 not sure whose fault this is but that 24 pin was holding on with the strength of a thousand men, i genuinely thought i'd end up either breaking some smd or just snapping the entire connector off, i mangled the plastic quite noticeably thanks to all the prying but the socket seems fine hopefully i can just file the plastic down gonna blame it on ANUS just in case
>>27257 >>27259 use pliers to grip the pin and use your other hand to keep pressure on the mobo. then wiggle it horizontally and pull
>gave noob a go but it's still too annoying so back to NAI Meh. At least I discovered tsurui, tsunako, [[[[asura (asurauser)]]]] goes hard, asurasloppa's surprisingly useful
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>>27256 disabled noise offset (oops) and tweaked some params, should be a cleaner bake. https://files.catbox.moe/4kmgtw.safetensors
>>27260 i'll keep that in mind but pliers seem a bit excessive
>>27263 just need some light needle nose pliers to get a good grip on it. better than yanking on the thing with your hand full force and bending the mobo excessively
>>27264 ah yeah, i keep forgetting that needle nose pliers are a thing my fingers still hurt, those release tabs are fucking bullshit
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So this is the power of v-pred, not bad, not bad at all
>>27267 still my favorite movie, 4ever got btfo'd hard
>Site I use for free image gen has an option for ComfyUI >Click on the ComfyUI option and do add node >Immediately regret my decision after being assaulted with a context menu that has 100 items in it Whoever named this "Comfy" had to be feeling full of irony and sarcasm that day
>>27269 it's GIMP syndrome
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https://mega.nz/folder/ctl1FYoK#BYlpywutnH4psbEcxsbLLg added whoopsatro (illustrious) >>27269 calling nodes a "ui" is already a stretch to begin with
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>>27271 sexo fern, gonna remember to try this artist on nai
>>27271 >calling nodes a "ui" is already a stretch to begin with there's nothing inherently wrong with nodes, they ARE a form of UI the problem is that they get misused and oftentimes the resulting complexity is entirely unwarranted when you consider what the end goal is. cumrag is a perfect example, you need enough spaghetti to make italians or propellerhead reason users blush just to recreate a simple t2i voldy workflow (to this day i still haven't found a single good reason to use cumrag, it offers absolutely fuck all over auto-style UIs, whatever niche extension it gets usually gets ported to auto anyway) compare it to programs where nodes actually make sense like houdini or things like UE's blueprints/the material and texture editors as a ui/ux designer if you need to break the 3 clicks rule then it has to be for a very good reason, if someone else (auto, as much as i despise gradio) managed to do what you want to do without breaking that rule then you need to stop huffing your own farts
>>27274 basically what i meant although i didn't say it. my post was not my intent to discredit nodes as a whole
>>27275 >my post was not my intent to discredit nodes as a whole yeah, sorry i just needed something to keep myself awake on the shitter
>>27276 lmao it's cool. if anything, it's clear i need to go to sleep from that sentence i'm only now re-reading
>>26023 shit got nuked, any backups?
>>27274 Agree with everything you say, coming from someone who's used Blender and Houdini extensively. So much shit I could go on a rant about. From a dev experience it's more straightforward to expand Comfy, but Auto still has the best UX, no argument. Once they implement proper subgraphs it will solve a lot of issues but I don't see that happening for a long time. Anyway, vpred zsnr lora dump time. Pics should all have metadata even if the userscript doesn't say so. soyacomu: https://files.catbox.moe/nmk5ew.safetensors crabb: https://files.catbox.moe/n03ql9.safetensors iwano kenta: https://files.catbox.moe/e5s07e.safetensors naoillus: https://files.catbox.moe/vwxp4r.safetensors notnoe: https://files.catbox.moe/6u6qik.safetensors neru marosama: https://files.catbox.moe/tgjvr3.safetensors mirham: https://files.catbox.moe/9dh1i2.safetensors nyalia: https://files.catbox.moe/dvf4z4.safetensors ru zhai: https://files.catbox.moe/uq60t2.safetensors
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>>27280 Sorry updated userscript, you are probably the first person who enabled RGB mode of stealth metadata Btw is picrel a typical setup of comfyui? I'm curious how much of it is necessary for a v-pred SDXL model
>>27281 >updated userscript Cheers, anon. >is picrel a typical setup of comfyui? No, a lot is me fucking around with stuff and not really cleaning it up. It would however look less awful if proper subgraphs existed like I mentioned. >how much of it is necessary for a v-pred SDXL model The only node necessary is that one in the top-left (ModelSamplingDiscrete).
>>27280 is swarm any good now? i really dont want to bother with pure cumrag autism but forge/auto development seems to be rather chaotic and a bit directionless right now
>>27283 It's just a ComfyUI frontend. I've never actually touched it but it may be a sane way to utilize workflows once you build them out.
>>27099 What's the original meta before img2img for these?
>>27280 >From a dev experience it's more straightforward to expand Comfy absolutely, i don't doubt even for a moment that it's much faster to make a comfy node compared to an auto extension
https://civitai.com/models/833294/noobai-xl-nai-xl They posted a new epoch, I'm still fooling around with it but so far it doesn't seem to have the color issues the first released eps snapshot did. Much more stable, too.
>>27278 sorry! it didn't get nuked, I just had to do some restructuring (ran out of space), I forgot to tell the people here I did it. here is new link https://mega.nz/folder/nQ4kVJgS#IEpZQia0A2An-BeGiCqFQg
>>27283 I use swarm for my normal UI (not that I gen a ton) and it's generally pretty usable. it has most of the standard features most people use (wildcards, adetailer/segments, inpainting; A really good interface for that might I add, controlnet, so on and so forth) but it can be somewhat clunky at times. It does have a nice feature in that you can load a comfy config into the graph tab and just tell it to process the graph in the generate tab, though that sometimes is a bit finicky.
>>27279 llenn-chan is so perfect both irl and in-game
kikichad i know you're here
If anyone is open to ideas for artist loras, I was reminded of himukai yuuji pretty recently >>27209 How did this go?
>>27292 I retrained it and it was still underbaked and now finetune progress is moving too fast for me to want to dedicate time to lora training. I can toss it in the oven overnight though since I feel bad, do you want it for base illust or current noob?
>>27293 oh that's understandable, I'm still testing current noob but its a bit of a pain not being able to use all the loras i've gotten for base illust with it. Probably base illust for now.
>>27288 thank you!
>>27293 can you upload the dataset anon?
>>27296 sure when I get home, I just took anon's dataset and curated the workable images, adding high confidence tags and doing GAN upscaling on some pics
>>27287 anatomy is better, illustrious 0.1 would have eaten a shit trying to do this
>>27296 https://mega.nz/file/v4xRDZrI#OY0brZSczaDwSeXija606el2CTHCPRvw1qYsn7rD3Ts here's my cleaned up version of the other anon's dataset, should be ready to plug in to whatever script you have unless you want to cut it down even more
>>27299 thanks anon i'll mess around with it once this batch finishes
>>27301 as soon as LAX stops being retarded and focusing on EPS yes, he needs to go balls deep on the vpred conversion because it's looking godly
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>>27292 I finally got around to baking and uploading my version https://mega.nz/folder/nQ4kVJgS#IEpZQia0A2An-BeGiCqFQg/folder/OIxBHQJb
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>>27305 it seems pretty good, thanks anon
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>>27306 np, I finished working on my most recent project (for now) so I had some time
>>27308 plenty of """cunny""" posted in that thread, weird only you got the banhammer
>box begging >expired links >nobody using stealth-png-info we're b- b- b- back >>27308 nice torpedoes
Can someone link me to some xy grid with different artists styles for gooknai ?beside the 10k one on mega
>>27312 An anon on 4ch/h/ posted these comparisons of their cherrypicked favorite artists, be warned that they are extremely large images: https://files.catbox.moe/mn8zaf.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/nr5eu1.jpg
>>27313 Thanks! Kinda new to these , what settings do i need to use in my own workflow to get identical results? There's 40steps and 6cfg , anything else that I missed ? Heres their image with workflow btw incase you missed it https://files.catbox.moe/2kv5qt.png
>>27314 40 steps is way too much, especially for ancestral samplers which add noise each steps so they never converge. They usually reach their first good state around 20-25 steps. 5-7 CFG is good for Euler and DPM samplers, you'll want to wiggle it around there based on how the colors are coming out. Regular Euler and DPM also converge around 25 steps, and you want to do ~15 sampler steps if you do 1.5-2x upscaling. Also the recommended base resolutions for 1MP (1024x1024) SDXL gens are: "1024 x 1024", "1152 x 896", "896 x 1152", "1216 x 832", "832 x 1216", "1344 x 768", "768 x 1344", "1536 x 640", "640 x 1536" Going above those dimensions can cause jank.
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>>27299 https://files.catbox.moe/z7c4g9.png had to go run errands so i gave it a quick bake. kind of a weird situation since illustrious already knows the artist pretty well and finding a balance between overfitting it vs following the prompt but still having the colorful look is awkward but with the artist tag it works pretty nicely
>>27310 >box begging I'd sooner have 50 replies to every image asking for a catbox than 1 blogposting son-of-abraham namefag oc-do-not-steal thread where they refuse to share their prompt or any settings.
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welp, my comfy install went and fucked itself after updating. seems like it just crashes when reaching ksampler. guess I'll take a break and fix it next week
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>>27322 >he pulled woe, O woe!
>>27292 another artist recommendation, hata4564
>>27327 holy based catbox pls
>>27292 as109 feels a bit undercooked, but it could just be skill issue on me
>>27330 Thanks for sharing.
>>27332 wew that first one
>>27334 rude
>>27338 what is this creature
>>27339 a human!
>>27339 she is a princess, sosu
Every day I am surprised at what illustrious can do Niche shit or stuff that would have needed a lora is just baked in base and I am utterly amazed
>>27343 it's NAI (at home)
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What's a vpreg and ztsnr mister? Why is everyone so crazy about them, what do they do and what are they good for?
>>27345 v-pred + zsnr allows colors to be much fuller, as well as a full range of color (think 0,0,0 blacks and 255,255,255 whites). at least that's the major benefit to it
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>>27346 Alright, thanks.
>>27331 catbox for the last one?
>vpred improving color depth for every image awesome very cool >90% quality webp dataset producing muddy details and visible artifacts in every image not awesome very uncool
>>27349 it's really not AS bad as I expected, the worst part of the compression is the color space shrinking slightly which was very noticeable on their first eps checkpoint, less noticeable on the newer one, and the vpred conversion is too early to say whether it's the dataset or just lack of training for convergence
>>27350 https://imgsli.com/MzEwMDg4/ Here's some random images on my computer I compressed to 90% WebP to see how bad it actually is. In short: it isn't nearly as destructive as you might imagine. In fact, it's pretty hard to spot any differences. I would be willing to bet most of the problems so far are just due to undertraining from the fact they added a good 4 million or so more images into the dataset, and with 0.5 we're already seeing those issues go away.
>>27352 I genuinely cannot tell if this is genned or not and if it is I'm pretty sure you trained a LoRA which is most concerning.
>>27353 oh? hot glue lora for illustrious? care to drop a link anon
>>27353 Nta but it's really not that hard to tell and you can definitely do this without a lora
i can tell this picture of a cummed-on figurine is a fake due to some of the pixels and having seen many cummed-on figurines in my life
>>27356 I guess you would need a lora for better looking cum on noob at least
>>27357 >it's just illustrious/naixl holy shit it can do that? amazing
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"Nothing personnel, kid"
>>27348 Sorry just got home from wagie, but here you go: https://files.catbox.moe/3jweb2.png
>>27366 Not inpainted? Damn.
>>27366 kek, based.
>>27365 >>27366 Just when I stopped seething at furry V3 for not having artist styles god DAMMIT
>>27366 I don't give a shit about furry but lol
>>27369 Well, the good news is that artist styles should start working on Noob once they train for longer. Then we'll essentially have the best of both worlds in one model, except not the deep fried, half-assed flavor Pony offered.
I'm catching up on all the new tools that we got in the last months and found out about kohya hires fix. Is it actually worth it over just genning base gens and doing regular hr fix on ones I find nice later? Results don't look bad, but it takes almost twice as much time plus it's impossible to make comparison for quality as gens are too different between the methods.
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Taming a dragon 💢💢💢
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>>27373 Also got this funny guy.
>>27372 genning at 1920x1536 1.5 downscale is 1/3 faster for me than 1024x1280 1.5 upscale, but if you'd prefer the speed of base gen fishing the only consistent upside i've seen is downscale seems to give less depth of field/radial blur/vignetting/whatever you want to call it when tapping artists that love that shit
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>>27375 Oh yeah, it's faster than base gen + classic hires fix by like 15 seconds for sure, I meant that it's slower than base gen. >>27376 Left looks a bit better I think, and even I liked downscale slightly more with my experiments. I guess I could use it when I'm confident about the prompt and I'm not experimenting. Anyway is CN Tile still a thing? Haven't used any controlnet since SD1.5.
>>27375 theres an option for downscaling??
>>27377 i have no idea, controlnet beyond sketch, normals, depth was always a little opaque to me. i just found out that there's an inpainting controlnet option a few days ago. >>27378
>>27379 huh, never really messed with a lot of the features at the bottom of the prompt screen even when switching to reforge
>>27378 The kohya hires fix options are kind of in reverse to normal hires fix. Instead of selecting something smaller as your main res and then using a multiplier to get a higher final res, you select a higher res from the start and then pick a multiplier for the resolution it picks from. Kinda like the first iteration of hires fix in the webui before the multiplier change, which I remember made a lot of people angry lol. >>27380 Same, I just started exploring them a bit now.
>>27380 i found out about it from the /h/ thread recently, i had it disabled with the rest of the base plugins because all the ones i tested were pretty pointless lol
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Well this got dark.
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"Can we have anon's wife?" "There's anon's local wife" Anon's local wife:
>>27386 her head is uh... a tad too big
>>27387 bobblehead mikunny
>>27388 you made it even more cursed
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Noob v0.5 is the best local model so far at extreme aspect ratio Other models tend to produce girls with long torsos at 1536 x 640
>WARNING v_parameterization should be with v2 not v1 or sdxl why does kohya sd scripts throw this warning when training vpred loras? the loras work perfectly fine
>>27394 that's fine anon you've got my back
>>27391 Are the nipple stickers inpainted? As to the third pic, is it high CFG or a bizarre instance of wamudraws?
>>27398 llenn-chan's secret livestreams...
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>>27322 I figured it out. For windows users, don't be a jew with trying to set your pagefile/virtual memory size lower. Leave that thing system managed, comfy is dependent on it to load models.
>>27402 Anything ai dependent on it with windows. I was getting blue screens when tried loading huge 123b llm models with auto pagefile size, which got fixed right after I put it to fixed 300gb size, downside is it takes all of the space the whole time, but whatever
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>>27405 Nope. You can thank Animeconfettii for those pasties. Noob and illustrious were uncooperative.
>>27397 I Replied to the wrong person ( ᴗ˳ ᴗ ). I'm going to bed.
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>>27407 Thanks for the metadata >pumpkin shaped pasties Not even a tag but still works, good to know >512x512, hires fix to 1024x1024, 0.7 denoising, on an SDXL model That's an ... interesting workflow
>>27412 Damn it's been a while since i've seen hot vampy gens and I missed them a lot
>Illustrious knows what Lalafells and Harvins are >Can actually prompt them properly
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Checking back in after a while Last I checked pony based models were the only option, but now there's...NoobAI (what the fuck is a vpred?) and Illustrious (along with some finetunes and a handful of schizo negs)? What's good for cunny/booba/general use? Seems like styles are pretty good now that we're no longer forced to bake on horse porn.
>>27419 noob eps 0.5 is probably what you want to get, it's the furthest trained finetune of illusrrious. think of it as "we got NAI at home". the merge of noob vpred test and itercomp is extremely good but it requires some setup to get working properly and doesn't work correctly on reforge right now.
>>27412 catbox for the first one?
>>27419 noob 0.5 is the best atm Barely any loras for it but it knows so fucking much It hates princess connect for some reason though. I was able to generate Mahira porn without a lora or any unfortunate aging up while I couldn't gen any priconne character at all.
>>27420 >doesn't work correctly on reforge right now. Just mentioning here it will now. Latest dev_upstream has the fix.
>>27423 thank you mr. john catboxanon you are my greatest ally
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>>27425 These are really cool, especially the first one.
>>27426 That's the only one so far that I've had the blended hands work without editing. It was inspired by this image: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/115824026
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>>27425 Pretty nifty stuff there anon, especially that first one. Reminds me of a similar image I'd seen a while back that was pretty much pure silhouette, trying to gen something similar to it now gets some pretty cool results.
>>27428 I think I know which picture you're talking about, kek. Interesting gen for sure.
is it just me or does illustrious completely disregard spread legs
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>>27430 works fine for me
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>>27430 post catbox? it would be very strange if a tag with 240k hits wasn't working
>>27431 >>27432 it was getting overpowered by thigh gap i even did the same thing a few days ago and forgot
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>>27433 ah, valid
>>27432 toko's cute legs... uogh..
>>27425 >noobaiVpredItercomp_v1 huh?
>>27436 https://civitai.com/models/870578 make sure your frontend is up to date. reforge properly supports ztsnr with advanced model sampling as of latest dev_upstream
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you lose
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>>27420 >>27422 dayum! This is surprisingly good, thanks anons. The backgrounds are much better, and having good context is everything.
ztsnr is phenomenal for spot color stuff, noob team really needs to just hop on the conversion asap and deal with problems as they arise
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>>27438 gotta say, after how much fuss there was about i was pretty disappointed people made it sound a lot more exciting than 'japanese myth but with pokemon instead of x'
>>27447 I still very much doubt they're real to begin with, someone probably just had a lot of fun
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Did a recent reforge commit break dynamic prompt for you guys? Picrel is "1girl, {white hair|black hair}" in a batch of 8, some pic in the batch has "black hair" in metadata 363970b seems to be the culprit
>>27449 it would be related to this then https://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForge/pull/155 should show a before/after of the problematic commit and post there
>>27448 Gamefreak was forced to publically acknowledge that their entire employee database was leaked, we've got tons concept art, huge planning documents, character concepts for a large portion of the gym leaders, entire compileable git repositories for most of the games, but those few stories are the only thing that's fake? I somehow doubt that.
>>27451 dude, really? the easiest way to spread misinformation is to mix it with the truth, it's how every rumor ever is born
>>27453 >>27454 any metadata for these?
Derrian still lurks here? Flux trianing branch is broken with your gui after multi-gpu sd-scripts commits, throws some accelerator errors, but works fine from cmd. This one still works https://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scripts/commit/43bfeea6002f4e0421ec096c529a13dfd3303c0b
>>27217 I don't think there is. I tried ,standing dangling upside down sex, for this first image. Second and third pic was upside_down reverse_suspended_congress-, standing_sex, dangling_legs, from_the_front.
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>>27458 thanks anon
Do we have loras for noob yet?
>>27465 My colors would always get washed out in my experience, that or it would cause people to be disfigured
>>27466 I see.
>>27464 Some people retrained their Illustrious LoRAs on Noob but I think a lot (including myself) are holding off aside from experimenting on the vpred test since there's an expectation of a 1.0 version.
>>27470 but does it do rouge
>>27470 >beta just to clarify this is epsilon vpred 0.5 noob, right?
epsilon pred*
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>>27470 Nice work on this, it looks really good, cheers. How are you getting the jack-o pose from behind by the way? I'm trying to prompt for it with jack-o challenge and (from behind:1.5) but it's still fighting back, anything else you're prompting for to push it over the edge there?
>>27472 you cheeky fucker got me good
>>27473 The beta from huggingface, which was probably somewhere between 0.5 and 0.75. >>27475 >ass up, top-down bottom-up, anus, pussy, flexible
https://files.catbox.moe/vtun3i.png noob epsilon pred 0.5 v 0.75
>>27479 >that blood from the fangs catbox? is that inpainted or just gatcha
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>>27480 It had to be inpainted but I did try this
>>27481 i don't mind the blood. that is hot
>>27482 >blood the amount of defloration I have genned recently is making me think that I should go back to 1girling for a bit.
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ignore borscht and sugimori for this, i fucked up the artist tags https://files.catbox.moe/mqksii.png
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Better at postures Better at general tags Knows an artist with ~70 posts Is this the most based model ever?
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Bad news is some artist mixes fine tuned for v0.5 doesn't work
>>27487 It's interesting that pretty much every artist looks better except borchst. I wonder if the shitposting about their scrape missing some gold content is true.
>>27491 https://files.catbox.moe/tmmnyu.png i tried with the artist tags in different position since my initial test was with it at the end of the prompt (i know it's weaker but that's how i typically use them so that's how i did my tests) but it seems like it just doesn't know borscht well
>>27492 borscht seems to be the only one being affected by this forgetting, at least to such a high degree: https://files.catbox.moe/b7oazu.png other (mostly) gold-gated artists seem fine, or even seem to have experienced an improvement strange stuff
>>27493 some more common cunnymix comparisons: https://files.catbox.moe/oofa4d.png generally everything seems better which is strange since someone on /h/ was saying there was gold content missing from years ago
>>27494 anyways, i'll be sticking with the vpred test + itercomp merge for the time being until they release their 1.0 vpred version because someFUCKINGhow it still looks better than 0.5 or 0.75
>>27495 my only issue with the itercomp merge is it's a little too bright sometimes
>>27496 it's gonna be a fuckin' nightmare for my work and sleep schedules when their "finished" vpred conversion drops and i commit to proompting and lora training >>27497 i rarely go above 5cfg on it and APG actually seems to work nicely for a simple solution that reduces burning if you want to experiment with it
>>27498 Don't die.
>>27498 me too anon. i've already trained 5 loras on the vpred model and i want them to just say fuck epsilon and start on vpred
>>27478 these look strictly worse to me tbh except ny*ntch*
>>27501 yeah no most of them look worse, i went through all the catboxes maybe it's just me
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this red-haired vampire is draining my balls
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is 4ch/hdg/ unironically being raided right now or something? it's reaching absurd levels of inorganic posting (naturally with no gens)
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>>27505 that's just how it is now. the new model that is questionably a sidegrade/downgrade isn't helping either
>>27505 it's been that way for a long while
>>27505 any high traffic thread that proves it can be provoked attracts shitposting discords a lot of the shitposting is not done by people who use the thread or even people who care what the thread is about, it's just simple tested if A then B markov chain shit chinese box shitposting
>>27496 catbox?
>>27510 great shondo, vpred-itercomp is so good for what it is and I'm really hoping the final model makes for a much better base
>>27511 Thanks I'm mostly happy with the vpred models as they are though they could use a bump in character and artist knowledge
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>>27517 The takorin one looks EXACTLY like the one for V1-based models (or at least it's how I remember it), I quite like it even if it's not supposed to look that way
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Deleted a post by accident Tested a few loras trained on Illustrious v0.1, most of them still works on Noob v0.5 but a series of loras of the same setting generate blurry and / or washed out pics artist-kikuchi-milo-illust [9135bc4b3672] takorin [0xf9971f84f1] artist-alkemanubis-pony [32b06b28b8e6]
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>>27519 The change in color and fidelity is not present with loras trained by different settings, at least not so drastic Which training parameter could have caused this?
>>27520 The main thing I would think of is that the kikuchi milo one is a DoRA, not sure about the others, but that might make it more dependent on the base model's weights to work best.
the abe tsukasa lora uses networks.lora and isn't lycoris/dora/etc
>>27456 Oof, I'll look into it. Was busy over the weekend, so didn't check here at all
>>27523 since you're here i'd like to ask if you could at some point update your tagger for the v3 versions of the smiling wolf ones (especially eva). just adding the repo and changing it to use the new ones made it spit out completely random tags
>>27524 Dev branch already supports the v3 taggers, though I don't have eva02 in there because I keep forgetting to add it. I use vit large personally
>>27528 wonderful
civitai isnt really cooperating lately, can you guys recommend any good download managers?
>>27530 I stopped using download managers regularly ages ago but if I have to download shit in batches I use Internet Download Manager (get it on rutracker) on Windows and jdownloader2 on anything else
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Oppai loli jumpscare
>>27532 >no ilulu jumpscare
>>27531 okay thanks
>>27534 If you go the jdownloader2 route look for the installer without the adware
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>>27533 Still can't quite get an Ilulu I like, but here you go
>>27536 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>27523 Okay, thanks. May I ask you to add a way to pass accelerator params too? Could be useful for multigpu things https://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scripts/pull/1686#issuecomment-2405093545 Or at least a way to print builded command instead of launching traning, like how it is done in kohya_ss so it could be easily manually passed in cmd? >>27526 Yeah, me too, here's non lazy version with more accurate costume
>>27540 latest noob epoch is fucking fire
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>>27520 It's noise offset. I found 2 more such loras, all 5 of them have noise offset in metadata. artist-zankuro-illust [e650ce92d021] artist-lokulo_no_mawashimono-illust [888be9ae168d] Does this mean Noob v0.5 is trained with noise offset itself? I heard that multiple sources of noise offset is bad
>>27542 Is it noise offset or ip_noise_gamma? Most eps SDXL training is done with noise offset. It could have to do with whatever debiased jank they're doing as opposed to base Illustrious' noise settings.
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>>27543 >It could have to do with whatever debiased jank they're doing as opposed to base Illustrious' noise settings. NTA, but debiased estimation loss is not about the noise, it's about timestep scheduling. I still honestly don't get why would someone need to use such a scheduler, which will probably destroy small details at the latest timesteps, learning it too aggressively >>27542 Noise offset never was a good idea, it's a one time patch, sai was an ass to slap it on top of xl to "patch" it back in the days, when the vpred+ztnsr papers already came out and they already baked 2.0 and 2.1 with v target, but never for xl
>>27519 >>27542 yeah I trained the illustrious lora of takorin with noise offset. the v-pred bakes without it are much better imo. only going to retrain once the big dick v-pred conversion is finished though
>>27547 clueless... it's clueless...
>>27548 it's fine because he's ignorant. kek
>>27549 >[by opossumachine, by tianliang duohe fangdongye::0.3] [by Kotoyama, by ka \(marukogedago\):0.3] Is it possible to learn this power.jpg
>>27543 Huh you are right, all 5 of them have ip_noise_gamma=0.05, a parameter unseen anywhere else, it could be either this or noise offset or both are in play
>>27554 not sure if you replied to the wrong anon or if you mentally skipped ahead several sentences more than what I wrote, because if the latter then yeah I do hope the finished v-pred model is out soon (but I remain practicing longsuffering)
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>>27552 prompt editing >by opossumachine, by tianliang duohe fangdongye is present at the start, then at 30% of the total steps it cuts out and >by Kotoyama, by ka \(marukogedago\) gets added i'm using it to get non-loli artist styles without having to fight implicit body types so much but boy does it fuck up hands
>>27558 >[by opossumachine, by tianliang duohe fangdongye::0.3] [by Kotoyama, by ka \(marukogedago\):0.3] if that's your intended goal shouldn't your syntax be [by opossumachine, by tianliang duohe fangdongye:by Kotoyama, by ka \(marukogedago\):0.3]
>>27558 holy based madoka
>>27559 identical results, i'm just habituated to separate switch in switch out blocks from the wile e. coyote shit of trying to milk late stage sd1.5
>>27555 Yeah I assumed that's what you were talking about, sorry for that, had been considering how to reply for too long I ended up seeing things that aren't there
>>27565 catboxes?
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>>27566 Same prompt. Seed for second pic is 3254773579.
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Lol this one is underbake AF, can anyone even tell which artist this is
genuinely running out of patience for v4
please help anons how can i pull this off in comfy? I need 2 things Lets say i have a list of 3 expressions Imagine ; Solo , 1girl , _character-wildcard_ , _expression-wildcard_ (1) I want it to go through all 3 expressions then (when it reaches the end of the expression.txt) go to the next line(character) on the character.txt (2) i want it to go to "next" line not just pick an line randomly
>>27578 That's combinatorial prompts, a node of this extension https://github.com/adieyal/comfyui-dynamicprompts
>>27574 box?
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https://civitai.com/models/833294?modelVersionId=1022833 noob 1.0 is released https://files.catbox.moe/r7wj7e.png https://files.catbox.moe/o09mqt.png https://files.catbox.moe/1v7x82.png artist comparisons between 0.5, 0.75, and 1.0. didn't add any furshit to negatives https://files.catbox.moe/1p7zr1.png some artist comparisons of 1.0 with/without furry negative
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They fixed the color then fucked up eyes Without the furry negative anime girls sometimes have eyes of fur suits
>>27584 >Without the furry negative anime girls sometimes have eyes of fur suits Can you point out what you mean by that? I'm not seeing it. It's also a very strange accusation when there's only 2k 'fursuit' images on e621. Out of a 12M image dataset.
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>>27588 well fuck
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https://files.catbox.moe/m6hh3u.png figured it out. seems quality tags are way more impactful now https://files.catbox.moe/t9h7y7.png no quality tags
>>27590 Pointed this out to Euge in case there's anything they can adjust to help with it. Apparently they did not go through with the aggressive style tag dropout that he outlined between the 0.75 and 1.0 releases. I've also been informed that 1.0 might not be the last eps release before they do the vpred conversion, so there might be more time for pretraining than we thought.
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>>27587 That's my first impression, I don't really know furry well enough to tell if it's just fur suits or furry art in general but I feel eyes on v1.0 are on average 1. disproportionally big even by anime standard, akin to the cartoon style of furry art 2. further apart on a less flat face, like predator animals most furry characters are based on 3. duller & less detailed, which gave me the idea of a fur suit It may however be pure randomness or bad artist mixes that no longer work, I've only done a few X/Y
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https://gofile.io/d/dYWIQh metadata is gone so don't bother checking but here's positive and negative quality tags plotted
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Certainly not the best timing but: villainchin style trained on noob v0.5 https://mega.nz/folder/qN52SKhJ#hE-y1GP3e-XZ3wHLTQ9x5Q
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last post on this to prevent spamming too much about it. i left quality tags at the beginning and just weighted them all (positive and negative ones) 0.2 and it seems pretty good
>>27592 >I don't really know furry well enough to tell if it's just fur suits or furry art in general but I feel eyes on v1.0 are on average >3. duller & less detailed, which gave me the idea of a fur suit your whole post is hilarious sorry anon the idea of an entire booru being devoted to fursuits and then that booru being added to an anime finetune and influencing the style is making me lose it right now
I cannot figure out how to wrangle 1.0 The chinks are too powerful
so is it fucked or...
>>27598 contrary to what /h/ will tell you, not at all. it still feels like a bit of an intermediate epoch but everything is much better and more cohesive, apparently they are doing some more eps training before beginning the vpred conversion and once that's out it's a matter of shitmixing/aesthetic tuning to get it as stable as possible.
>>27599 >contrary to what /h/ will tell you no i just noticed the eyes thing and now i can't unsee it
>>27600 it's over
>>27601 we were so back too...
killing myself because my waifu's eyes are 3mm too far apart...
it's flawless...
>>27592 has anyone brought this up to the team?
>>27592 Left side tags are added to the end of the negative prompt. Right side is normal negative. I'm not experiencing it at all, unless I'm blind. Metadata is in stealth PNGinfo.
>>27606 nta but i see it, most of the eyes look far apart enough to be noticeable
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Tentacles ClowCards.
retard here, how do I add the cfg++ samplers? would be using them on noob if that helps.
>>27609 imo they're snakeoil but they either come with reforge on dev_upstream branch or you can install them on comfy
>>27594 Btw if any of you are generating tags with wd14 tagger extension, make sure min tag fraction is set to 0 instead of default 0.05, that setting removes tags featured in less than 5% of the images
>>27582 box for that last one?
angel and the chink alliance delivered where Jordach got thousands and has literally nothing to show for it
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https://files.catbox.moe/it83o0.png test with female anatomy
>>27606 Could this be it? I have a few artist mixes with `gloss` in them, for example the first two X/Y plots of >>27592 is genned with this one: (quasarcake:0.7), (sweetonedollar, mery \(yangmalgage\):0.75), gloss, observerz, (s16xue, fizrotart:1.1) It should be mapped to the artist `gloss_(hotglossed)` on danbooru, but on e621 it's the name of a furry character https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=gloss_%28hotglossed%29 https://e621.net/posts?tags=gloss
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>>27617 I'm not sure if that would be enough to cause it, like 5 images that have the token sequence association vs 150+ for the artist would be strange. Noob 1.0 in general feels very sensitive to negatives, moreso than any other model. You can really see it in the X/Ys I posted, I think they were all 6 CFG and the furry negs exacerbate the color burn.
>>27619 It's 7 images with a lot of favorites, one of them have more than 400, their impact on the style will be boosted significantly by quality tags Even with uniform repeats my experience in lora training tells me that 7 out of 135 is enough to bake a feature into the style if not tagged properly >Noob 1.0 in general feels very sensitive to negatives I think furry negative is a cope to begin with: it consists of 3 random tags with high frequency on e621, not an official tag noob team added to the data, also negative prompts are at most as reliable as positive prompts, if you would expect the positively prompted sex posture to be nonsensical 20% of the time, why would you expect negative prompts to be reliable at the same or higher level And this is just v1.0 of eps-pred, the v-pred model will be trained on this with the e621 dataset intact
>>27615 boxes?
in other words: we're fucked lol they really just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by adding the e621 scrape in
>>27626 >we're fucked not as if just a few months ago it was either paying 25 dollars for a locked down model with no loras or dealing with pony
>>27627 you know what i meant
>>27626 please calm down and take a break from the computer lest we end up like /h/ where people are acting like the ai porn generator not being ideal is the end of their lives
>>27629 very funny but you don't need to project
>>27630 *projects my dick into your ass*
>>27631 ahhh ahhh
>>27632 ahh ahh mistress*
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Just use whatever you want Me? I don't care about it. Keep those finetune coming.
>>27634 Sylviechads stay winning
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>>27033 https://mega.nz/folder/ctl1FYoK#BYlpywutnH4psbEcxsbLLg added abe tsukasa (noobvpredtest) added arako o (noobvpredtest) added shindol (noobvpredtest) added nyalia (noobvpredtest)
>>27639 catbox for that second one?
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=10957606 Is it possible to prompt a position like this without loras?
>>27647 With inpainting yeah. Pure t2i you probably can't get consistent stationary restraints like that.
>>27648 haven't tested with illustrious but autism would do leg encasement sometimes with the sex machine tag but arm encasement was very rare
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>>27650 nice style but it's starting to fry, is it 1.0?
>>27650 Boxes for the first two please? The background looks much better than v0.5
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>>27651 it is 1.0 the artist mix/prompt i was using just skews heavily towards high contrast in the second two >>27655 https://files.catbox.moe/z285i1.png https://files.catbox.moe/uti0k7.png
>>27656 Thanks, didn't know loras trained on v-pred model can be used on normal models
is it me or does pumpkinspicelatte suck on noob
>>27657 np and yeah i've had no issues with using vpred loras on noob/illus
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https://mega.nz/folder/ctl1FYoK#BYlpywutnH4psbEcxsbLLg added cheshirr (noobvpredtest) added ireading (noobvpredtest) added onono imoko (noobvpredtest) added yonchan (noobvpredtest)
>>27661 >added ireading hehehhehehehehehehehe....
>>27663 i-i don't get it anon
>>27176 >but google threatened me google doesn't like loli searches now?
I haven't kept up with anything since a little after SDXL dropped. Browsing some random rentry pages and wikis, looks like not much has changed?
no one's keeping track of stuff as diligently as before, but we essentially have nai v3 at home now is a good way to sum up the progress
>>27669 That's actually better than I expected. NAI was impressive when I last left. With my 3060Ti though I can't get the same resolutions in SDXL that I could with normal SD. Tempted to give an Illustrious finetune a try though.
>>27671 I love kuro kani
>>27672 based
Does the Youmu anon still visit this thread? I miss their posts.
>>27674 That's an unexpected mention. Haven't posted Youmu for a while but I'm still around.
>>27675 That makes me happy... glad to still see you here still. I felt compelled to ask since you seemed like a nice anon and, I hate to be this guy, wanted to stay in touch on >Discord or something. It's been nice for the few connections with anons I've made here over the past few years. If you'd rather keep it to the threads that's fine though, I totally get it.
>>27676 Sure. Those gens give me a pretty good idea who you are so I'll just write you (would be a bit awkward if I'm wrong though...)
>>27675 Anon was this you who genned those pics? It has metadata and almost matches yours
>>27586 Catbox for the first one, please?
>>27680 I normally don't like beast mode prillyas but this one's nice
>>27678 >Anon was this you who genned those pics? Yep.
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>>27683 Cute style, I like it. Wanted to ask you to share all gens you did in this style to bake a lora on them, if you don't mind. Got a little bit impatient anyway and gathered dataset myself, some examples from the bake, still would be nice if you could share what'ya genned tho
>>27685 Thanks! I don't actually have much saved with this style, I think I cleaned up most of the gens. I can gen some more pics with more varied girls/poses and inpainted faces later, although I don’t have the best idea how to make a good dataset. This looks nice already btw.
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>>27685 qt korbo and last youmu
>>27686 >I can gen some more pics with more varied girls/poses and inpainted faces later Could be great actually, the main issue in the dataset is probably lack of face details at standard 1024 and maybe some little style divergency. I was just taking prompt from old gens/danbooru/tagger. Here if you need some inspiration https://litter.catbox.moe/jskcak.7z How only masked inpainting to increase details with nai possible, with webui extension? >>27688 Thanks
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consistent multi girl stuff is nice to finally have
>>27670 >With my 3060Ti though I can't get the same resolutions in SDXL that I could with normal SD Are you on Forge/reForge? I never OOM with either of them no matter how big I go.
>>27689 Oh, I didn't realize you have this many gens already and forgot I used this style for prillyas before lol. >How only masked inpainting to increase details with nai possible, with webui extension? Yes, https://github.com/Metachs/sdwebui-nai-api Can also use adetailer/wildcards and do tiled upscales for no anal cost.
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>>27693 god i wish that were me
>>27695 something about the legs bothers me, they don't match the body
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>>27694 Same...
>>27689 https://files.catbox.moe/53hbwu.7z Not sure how helpful those are going to be but here's something for now. Also you have a duplicate in the archive you've posted: 643ddc66-912e-4c7d-b694-46c96aca1766
>>27698 Thank you anon. Did you run tiled upscale for those? Upscaled looks way more better, than lowres and I'm interested in how to make it through webui while having 0 anals to spend >Also you have a duplicate in the archive you've posted Oh well, neither I nor dup finding software spotted it, will remove for new version ofc
>>27699 My little Youmu can't be this black... >Did you run tiled upscale for those? Nope, those were upscaled with anlas without tiling (but with remacri instead of the browser upscaling) >Upscaled looks way more better, than lowres and I'm interested in how to make it through webui while having 0 anals to spend picrelated should give the idea. it's just the basic tile upscale script so I wouldn't go above 0.35 denoise with it usually
>>27700 >My little Youmu can't be this black... Lol, I was just running dark-skinned in the darkness test for fun >picrelated should give the idea Okay, I got the idea, thanks. Inpainting only masked faces are as usual with just enabled extension I guess?
>>27701 >Inpainting only masked faces are as usual with just enabled extension I guess? yeah for img2img mode pretty much same for infill you usually should increase the padding significantly so it doesn't gen nonsense
Where we started (Illustrious 0.1) vs how it's going (Noob vpred 0.5). These were some of the very first gens I have saved from when Illust dropped. It's quite astonishing how much style accuracy improved. The first one is just (zankuro:0.8), though they both had to have the prompts rearranged to be closer to the originals. I do kind of dig base illustrious' "schizo soul", the sketchy/scratchy image quality and pose variety are quite charming.
>>27704 has nobody made a clipseg model for anuses so you can just adetailer them in a different style?
>>27704 one of the few good sources of tanya lewds
>>27702 Just finished upscaling everything, looks almost flawless now for my eye, so gonna try to retrain
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>>27700 Fine enough version to share I think. Trained if from early noob vpred, if you interested to try https://files.catbox.moe/26wft3.safetensors
>>27709 Looks nice, I'll try when I get to properly play around with local.
>>27700 whew thats an impressive amount of work
>>27711 not really
>>27712 learn to take a compliment, oji-san
>>27712 tiled upscale using NAI puts you somewhere around 1% of its userbase
any opinions on alternative illu finetune? https://civitai.com/models/950531?modelVersionId=1064242
>>27715 it's promising because it's closer to the "NAI at home" aesthetic-driven approach but right now it feels underbaked and vpred has weird clip issues
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>>27715 Definitely an improvement over noob v-pred 0.5 But that's such a low bar
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>>27715 Did they destroy CLIP in the same way that one model based on SD1.5 did? Tokens at certain positions are completely ignored Can anyone test this with a different backend? Could be a bug of reforge
>>27720 we should probably tell the guy
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>>27719 OK this isn't a bug of reforge, rouwei v0.6 does have fucked up CLIP
>>27723 Feel free to do that, I won't risk linking my id anywhere else to the feral lemma gens I posted here
>>27724 lol..................
>>27715 they added "smooth shading" as a tag when they trained it and i can use it as a negative, so i'm very happy
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>>27697 Noob + NAI inpainting is a nice combo
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>>27727 Holy fuck you are right, it's the commas, the same thing happens with noob epsilon pred v0.5 It's time to add commas at the end of line to all my prompts
>>27729 Huh? You should be adding commas after every tag, assuming it isn't the last one. Newlines are interpreted as whitespace, so you ultimately start feeding it shit like "by ciloranko oyama mahiro 1girl" instead of what it actually saw in training which was "by ciloranko, oyama mahiro, 1girl". Good chance NAI trained it on typos like that because they know their userbase is retarded.
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>>27730 I feel like a dumb fuck right now, I don't even remember why or when I started doing that Good news is rouwei is a good model and I my gens will have better tag recognition from now on
>>27731 Model still have different kind of problem, random frying out, BREAK or cfg rescale could fix that, sometimes regenning with another seed helps, but happens for unknown reason, right part is just a test to see if quick unet only train on top would help with that, seems like it won't https://files.catbox.moe/vi208n.png https://files.catbox.moe/w7lxr3.png https://files.catbox.moe/u1s1d4.png
>>27732 yeah, this is hot.
what the fuck happened to /hdg/? i haven't been there in 3 weeks and now it's scorched earth
think my gpu is dying, might have to take a break for a bit
>>27735 Let's be real, 4ch/hdg/ has been in a steady decline for (over) a year. I think people have just sort of embraced that place as a dumping ground for shitposting as either entertainment or cope and current 4chan moderation is either impotent or absent so they don't do anything about it. If you post something lazy you get chewed out for not trying hard enough, if you post something high effort you're an attention whore. Post NAI gens? SaaS corpocuck. Post Illustrious/Noob gens? Coping localcuck. It's a solved game for shitposters and there's basically nothing anyone can do to save it. /aicg/ has similar problems and some of the older posters try to push filter lists for the lazier shitposts, but there's always be new people who don't know about or want to use them. So the cycle of cynicism continues. It's why if I ever want to actually talk about gens I come here or go to /vtai/, they're like the only two places where people don't constantly fling shit.
>>27738 I know it's a cesspool, I just didn't think it could get any worse than when noob 0.75 came out. Now there's yet another fine-tune and people are shitposting and shit-flinging even harder. Yeah, sure, it was diarrhea before - now it's explosive diarrhea.
>>27739 current thread doesn't even look that bad to me pony era hdg was truly bottom-tier garbage, right now it just looks like an average vg thread with anime porn
Will we get ANIME models that can do animation/videos in the future? Current AI feels so advanced and can already do videos and animations but AI anime models feel really behind in comparison
>>27741 will we get them? sure. will they be good? will they be convincing? not for a long time. they're expensive to train both in money and time, and don't expect to see an uncensored video model that can do half-decent hentai for at least a decade.
>>27744 you doing postprocessing on the backgrounds or did they just come out like that? the grain looks nice.
was getting super annoyed over hires fix destroying "true" cleft of venus gens by fully separating the mons and then I realized I just had to turn down my denoise strength i may be retarded
>>27743 Thanks, some strange effect it has on your gens. Which model are you using it with?
>>27746 >VAE: lpips_avgpool_e4.safetensors >apgisyourcfg_enabled: True what are these?
>>27748 >VAE: lpips_avgpool_e4.safetensors This was a slightly finetuned VAE posted by an anon on /h/. It should be ever so slightly better than the vanilla one: https://pixeldrain.com/l/WkpZ51hp >apgisyourcfg_enabled: True APG is a drop-in replacement for CFG which lets you set much higher values without the image frying. It comes with reForge and there's a Comfy node. If you ever used CFG rescale it's kind of like that, but feels much gentler. It seems to greatly help the Noob vpred models not explode.
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What is this called and how can I remove it from my gens
>>27752 Thanks
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>>27750 I should have asked AI itself first The new large tagger is quite decent
>>27754 eva large?
>>27749 thanks. the vae makes reforged pitch a fit after i made the mistake of pulling but hopefully that gets straightened out.
>>27757 nothing ever happens
>>27758 plappens*
>>27757 I was like "no way this is local the color is so good" until I see that background chibi
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>>27745 >>27747 I used the AMD upscaler.
Ouch, I'm pretty much out of ideas but I'm also spending most of my spare time playing Elin right now.
>>27765 every time I think I'm running out of steam my eye catches some new shiny style mix to generate 1girls with. also playing the fuck out of elin tho.
whats the difference between vpred and not vpred
>>27770 Diffusion models are trained to remove noise from images. Epsilon predicts what the noised image looked like with slightly less noise. x0 (nobody uses this) predicts only timestep 0, the original image. v-pred loss is the weighted average of predicting both. v-prediction is a better loss function than either individually. The extra benefit is that v-pred is able to learn even in the situation where there is zero information left from the target image at the final timestep, which means that image generation can properly start from total scratch without a bias towards a mean color value.
some vpred 0.6 cunny tests one of them keeps coming out slightly too big for 8ch: https://files.catbox.moe/0e1uv3.png
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>>27766 Oyakodon with Lana and her mother... >>27768 1girling heals the soul...
what's that one site people use to see companies' ai training run info? i want to see if the turks are even cooking at all, they had the 1 year anniversary but no mention of v4 whatsoever
>>27775 NAI's compute is provided by Coreweave. They're a private company, I don't think anything is publicly posted about their usage.
>>27775 >>27776 They mean this, doubt you can see anything meaningful though. https://wandb.ai/novelai
>>27775 they started carefully shilling v3 around a month before release right now its radio silence from what im seeing I wouldn't expect anything soon
>>27777 yeah that's the one >>27778 sad. they teased about it a while back without any images and that's it. i'm glad local is catching up but i just want to see even the slightest advancement that isn't wannabe controlnet (even controlnet proper stagnated with xl)
>>27774 1girls are all you need. I don't even fap to AI /h/ I just like genning cute girls with or without clothes and enjoy them.
>>27779 >i'm glad local is catching up but i just want to see even the slightest advancement that isn't wannabe controlnet (even controlnet proper stagnated with xl) I don't even have anything in mind apart from 16ch vae tbh, can't improve prompt comprehension much while still relying on booru tags
>>27781 >can't improve prompt comprehension much while still relying on booru tags I have a feeling this is one of the major walls NAI has run into with trying to train something tore impressive than v3. Integrating booru tags with NL captions *properly*, especially characters in relation to one another, is a nightmare. It's not something you can easily train a classifier or finetune a VLM to do.
>>27782 >especially characters in relation to one another they DID boast that v4 would be "really good" at genning multiple characters together
RouWei vpred seem good but how do I keep it from making skin very dark / red when the background is too?
>>27784 post a gen with metadata so we can see?
i'm gonna be real chat i think dpm++ 2m is slightly better than euler-based samplers for noob vpred feels sharper, especially with these oekaki-adjacent jaggy styles
>>27786 i came to that exact conclusion (2m sde is good too), unfortunately karras seems fucked on vpred and i don't like sgm uniform on dpm++ that much
>>27787 2M + SGM Uniform works quite well for me with APG. AYS too, but it's a little muddier.
>>27786 i always assumed the retreat to euler was due to shitbakes that couldn't resolve a higher level of detail properly dpm seems to frequently kill color with kohya hrfix though
>>27789 Not too sure about that, I never used NAI much but I see it quite frequently in the metadata. It isn't just for SMEA, either. I don't notice loss of color info using regular hires fix (yet). Also just noticed vpred 0.6 can finally get some decent results with this object insertion, just the tip prompt.
Any tips on giving the dude in hetero couple pics long hair out of the box (before inpainting)? Especially when both share the same space or overlap, like the girl being in front of the dude etc.? I tried regional prompter, but that doesn't really work even with long hair having large emphasis, same for short hair in negatives. It's like the short hair is inherent to couple scenes and can't be overwritten.
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https://mega.nz/folder/ctl1FYoK#BYlpywutnH4psbEcxsbLLg added alkemanubis (noobvpred05) added atenaba (noobvpred05) added fuyubone (noobvpred05) added ootsuka shinichirou (re zero artist) (noobvpred05)
>>27793 How could this be "by (alphonse \(white datura\):1.2)"? I assume it's the pokemon art style leaking? The aspect ratio in metadata also doesn't match, did you crop it? >ControlNet 0: "Module: inpaint_global_harmonious, Model: Kataragi_inpaintXL-fp16 [d20c87b4] Is it better than ordinary img2img inpaint, based on your experience?
Crossposting from 4ch/h/. Some saturation comparisons on Noob vpred 0.6 (itercomp perp merge, but it should behave mostly the same as base). 1. 6 APG: https://files.catbox.moe/vkt851.png 2. 4 CFG, 0.7 rescale: https://files.catbox.moe/8699i5.png 3. 1.5 APG, CFG++ sampler: https://files.catbox.moe/7vmv46.png I like the last one best. Snakeoilmaxxing.
>>27797 what's wrong with the dude jfc
>>27798 It's Muk, the Pokémon. Actually makes an interesting test based on config of how strong the negatives need to be to stop it from leaking.
>>27799 >It's Muk, the Pokémon oh oh that's fucking hilarious
>>27800 Doing "artisr:muk \(monsieur\)" actually helps a lot like it does on NAI, but I forgot to do it for those tests ;_;
>>27797 apart from dude turning into a slime, I like cfg+rescale (2nd) the most visually
>>27797 I believe that CFG 1.5 with CFG++ samplers is equivalent to CFG 10 with normal samplers The team behind CFG++ used 0.6 in their examples, anything above 1.25 gives me hard outlines with v-pred
>>27803 It's 0.5 CFG before scaling because 1 CFG in webui is actually 0, iirc. It doesn't let you set it lower.
>>27804 Didn't about that, thanks
>>27797 >Snakeoilmaxxing. why do people keep calling cfg++ snake oil? there were unironic improvements with it when using illustrious 0.1
>>27807 I'm only joking because stuff like SAG and freeU basically gave no improvements in the past despite touting themselves as straight upgrades. Both APG and CFG++ samplers have had plenty of cases where they are demonstrably better.
Do you guys use hyper/lightning/turbo or whatever these are called? I'm testing them with illust-noob shitmixes and wonder if I'm doing it correctly.
>>27810 ...what?
>>27795 >I assume it's the pokemon art style leaking? yep, lana in particular pulls the official art style hard due to her simple face >did you crop it? that's from inpainting her face, genned it at 1536x1920 kohya hrfix 1.5 downscale 0.39 step >Is it better than ordinary img2img inpaint, based on your experience? much, it's a lot more context-aware. i'd say it's about 60% as good as NAI's inpainting and that's a high compliment.
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>>27812 Thanks, it's night and day in the few tests I did
I love being able to lewd OCs with this technology
>>27818 have you somehow managed to fix karras on vpred?
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>>27819 nta, karras converges at 60 steps
>>27820 >60 steps jfc, I wonder if that's pure sampler weirdness or if vpred really is severely undercooked. I was doing 28-30 with euler a + SGM uniform and things come out fine, switched to dpm++ 2m and was able to push it a bit lower. admittedly I do 12-16 steps of hires fix on anything I actually post which is extra denoising, but even on a 3090 anything past 30 steps is way too much wait time for base gens
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it's bugging me so i did some single-seed tests 1. dpm++ 2M karras 2. dpm++ 2M SGM Uniform the latter reaches a "clean and coherent" image much faster
>>27823 >(childish pussy:1.5) >stuffy smell >cumpussy, cumanus >kinomoto sakura wearing white thighhighs garter belt with orange (brown middle short hair:1.6) intakes and green eyes, (daidouji tomoyo) wearing black thighhighs garter belt with blunt bangs purple (black:2.2) (long hair:1.6) and purple eyes and fair skin,kinomoto sakura wearing white thighhighs garter belt with orange (brown middle short hair:1.6) intakes and green eyes lifting one leg to show the soles👣
>>27821 even if you just look at preview behaviors in pony vs illust, you can see there's a pretty drastic difference in the way early steps does its sampling. Must've just been a quirk it ended up drifting towards throughout the training
>>27823 Based
>>27821 >but even on a 3090 anything past 30 steps is way too much wait time for base gens stop treating your gens like cumrags
and here i thought that 25 steps of 2m karras at 1.5 res took an eternity on my 1080 ti
how's baking treating our bakers?
>>27833 still waiting on final vpred or the bake to explode before I commit to training anything. was doing some tests on 0.5 to use on 0.6 and it's very finnicky.
>>27834 thanks man i hope baking for illustrious ends up more stable than pony
>>27823 (based:2.5)
>>27773 >one of them keeps coming out slightly too big for 8ch Filesize limit should be 15mbs now
>>27836 at least on base and noob epred it's fine, pony was fried and loras couldn't capture fine textures. also learns characters super easily, styles are more variable.
>>27819 Oops forgot to manually refresh the page again I just use karras for img2img upscaling because hiresf ix is broken with zero snr on reforge. Otherwise I'm using DPM++ SDE with DDIM scheduler.
What's the prompt to make leotards out of any outfit on NAI? i forgor
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>>27845 adapted costume? should work with any garment, even
>>27847 It wasn't that iirc but I'll try it, thanks
>>27846 Nice.
really refreshing to have a model that can hit concepts with 250 tags
>>27852 now that's what i call buyer's remorse
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>>27852 Many people don't realize how far we've come every noob model has better tag recognition than the last one
>>27856 i feel like too many people are tunnel visioned on "it's shit because they didn't do everything perfectly". like yeah they made some pretty egregious errors but I still think the most recent vpred is the best local model. it takes some wrangling but the knowledge is unparalleled, even gets some stuff better than NAIv3 does.
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>>27858 ribbon trim white sleeveless dirndl blouse?
>>27859 I had given up on dirndl but it seems that's the closest, thanks. Though the center frill always wants to go on the top rather than the middle so I'll have to play around with it a bit more
>>27861 cute foxbutts
>>27859 artist for bottom left?
>>27864 looks like alkemanubis + opossummachine
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>gives me this position unprompted t-thanks did the model already learn that I want to manhandle some cunny?
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>borrows your style mix and slaps zankuro on it heh
how's 0.65s vpred treating you?
>>27872 funny enough I did end up adding zankuro:0.35 to the version of that recipe I have saved as a preset. muk + zankuro produces some absolutely god tier puffy vulva
>>27874 >absolutely god tier puffy vulva don't believe you
>>27875 bwo look at the third image 3 posts above you...
>>27874 based
>>27876 my bait... nyo...
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>>27873 Turning up furry negative somewhat fixes eyes for now Those glassy, blurry, muddy fursuit eyes... (From left to right: v-pred 0.6 itercomp, v-pred 0.65s, v-pred 0.65s stronger furry negative)
>>27873 It's been generally worse in style and color and only slightly better at composition/comprehension if at all. Sticking with 0.6 for now
>>27881 0.6 felt a bit oversaturated unless I used rescale, how are fine details looking? still melty, or better?
>>27883 you're not _supposed_ to, it's only a recommendation. NAI doesn't use it by default
>>27884 well yeah nai is more stable than noob but you'll still encounter plenty of overexposure/schizogen issues if you never ever use rescale
>>27883 >>27884 Personally I prefer APG to rescale and found it sharper on 0.6, but the saturation was too high on certain artists. I wonder if the model being generally less saturated will help it meet in the middle.
>>27879 >Turning up furry negative somewhat fixes eyes for now we shouldn't need that fix to begin with...
>>27887 shouldn't have to but it is what it is, so whatever. throwing "anthro" in negatives alleviates 95% of leakage, unlike pony they only massaged the tenc instead of frying it so the datasets are able to live together okay.
With some settings adjusted I'm getting better results from 0.65 but it's a very minor difference. If you're comfortable on 0.6 I wouldn't bother
>>27889 stole this prompt to do a quick x/y since it's more schizophrenic than what I usually work with: https://files.catbox.moe/8miqtq.png the itercomp merges were made with this comfyui workflow: https://files.catbox.moe/0e2tsx.json i think 0.65s is worse than 0.65
>>27890 on second thought. 0.6 is probably better than 0.65 https://files.catbox.moe/6y2edq.png look at the artifacting in the background for the 0.65 variants i think they fucked up big time by randomly adding a shitload of data, especially anime screenshots which are likely compressed
>>27883 I use CFG++ samplers and I never had oversaturation on v0.6 Seems like it only happens with CFG >5 no matter what that meanings in the context
>>27894 1.35 is considered high CFG with CFG++ samplers Oversaturation however is triggered by high numerical CFG values, hence CFG++ samplers are free from it
>>27892 catboxes?
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I want to be a tentacle.
>>27897 a loli and her tentacle is perhaps the closest bond behind a boy and his dog
WTF Reforge pushed a commit to "Fix some CFG++ samplers configurations", now my gens are oversaturated too with CFG++ samplers on v0.6 How are you guys mitigating this again?
>>27900 i simply do not pull
>>27898 what about a boy and his blob?
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>>27888 >throwing "anthro" in negatives alleviates 95% of leakage elaborate because I think you're schizoposting
>>27906 you're probably right, I was basing my logic off of more aggressive negatives posted earlier in the thread but even then I'm not sure this is the same prompt but the only difference is anthro in negs on the left
>>27907 they're virtually the same, maybe the ones without the neg are slightly noisier/have slightly more artifacts
>>27908 these are slightly more noticeable but still less so than the previous ones I saw. vpred 0.6+itercomp merge. my conclusion is more or less "whatever". any effect is so heavily dependent on a million other factors anyways.
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>>27911 sick
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perfection
>>27904 catboxes?
>>27903 catbox?
How do I stop getting black images on vpred? I'm on webui dev branch and no-half or no-half-vae don't help
>>27911 catbox?
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>>27919 I digged into it, after commit 262255a DPM++ 2M CFG++ is fried at CFG 0.8 and above Look how they massacred my favorite sampler
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>>27927 remember: no pull
>>27918 In my mind she's supposed to be standing straight knee-high in the water which admittedly makes the camera angle a bit awkward even with the absurd foreshortening.
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>>27931 kek'd
>>27932 not a single inch of preggo wolfgirl would be spared the wrath of my tongue. she would never need to bathe herself again.
>>27934 uoh no
>>27925 Catbox for the 3rd pic (foot job) please? Is it black background + vignetting?
It's a shame that noob doesn't seem to have much fiz rot in their dataset. The only decent looking fiz rot lora on civit for illustrious isn't even better than my shitty lora so I guess it'll have to do until I attempt to train it for vpred
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I want my subject's face to be a mixture of mortification and sexual delight. (raised eyebrow, squinting:0.6), half opened one eye, (provocation, evil smile, smug:0.4), (clenched teeth, frustrated face:0.8), (dirty crying face:0.5), (force orgasm:1.6), (ahegao:0.8),
>>27940 I'm afraid "dirty crying face" doesn't do what you think it does, it should be "sobbing" "uneven eyes", "furrowed brow", "averting eyes" can also be good, in general I'd say it's better to have an implied viewer in the scene, women are totally shameless when no one's looking
>>27941 >women are totally shameless when no one's looking how do you know this?
>>27938 https://mega.nz/folder/OoYWzR6L#psN69wnC2ljJ9OQS2FDHoQ/folder/q5IjjJyJ I've also been trying to train fiz-rot recently. It's a pain in the ass, I switched from an old config to one I borrowed from a much better trainer and it's coming out okay but still lacking in texture. Might be able to wrangle it with sampler settings but I assume it's ultimately a VAE thing.
>>27943 By consuming terabytes of leaked security cam videos, of course Jokes aside, my point is viewers give substance to a character's embarrassment, take picrel as an example, the girl's embarrassment is more believable because of the implied viewer in front of her
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>>27941 >I'm afraid "dirty crying face" doesn't do what you think it does, thanks!!!
>>27948 based prompter
>>27948 happy kuro friday to those who celebrate
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>>27937 https://files.catbox.moe/bc0s6w.png >>27945 >Might be able to wrangle it with sampler settings but I assume it's ultimately a VAE thing. https://files.catbox.moe/ifrp3o.png https://files.catbox.moe/qeyfsz.png https://files.catbox.moe/tlresh.png https://files.catbox.moe/6st0v4.png https://files.catbox.moe/i0nz7q.png https://files.catbox.moe/hdm11t.png probably a part of it but i did some quick bakes and it seems that lora is definitely undercooked at least (ignore the double navels that's just a consequence of 2x highres fix with 0.4 denoise at that base res)
>>27950 probably makes a difference because of bleed from the "child" part which does have a decent amount of tags
>>27953 interesting but yeah it does feel underbaked comparatively. weird because it's like 3000 steps before batching. i think i'll rebake it then resume from the end for a final leg of training with a lowered LR.
>find a very nice pic >artist's usual works and style are nowhere near as good as that pic pain, i wish single image loras/ipadapter were better
>>27958 so you already tried every snakeoil like 1-image config with kohya-ss, b-lora, etc? noise is probably need to be removed also
>>27959 no i haven't tried anything, last i checked those weren't worth the hassle
>>27956 Apparently the Ipadapter training is already near completion and should be out somewhere during next week according to the noob discord.
>>27962 nta, but when are they gonna open the access to 1.1 epsilon, it's been a week or so?
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>>27950 >>27954 I doubt it does what you would expect, `child` and `childish` are mapped to different token ids Instead `childish` adds a plushy to the gen, I guess as a result of association with the tag `anise_tatlin_(childish)`, a character from tales of abyss with a plushy
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>>27953 Thanks
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A good character design is one which can be identified by its silhouette alone
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>>27967 true also i'll shill new guidance limiter in reforge almost fixes vpred for me
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>>27957 Catbox for 1 and 2?
Been on a vacation for a while , last thing i saw was NoobAI-XL (early access) Can some kind anon enlighten me on what's new ? Also any news about that guy who was iirc going to train a model with 512 h100s?
>>27972 noob is the model trained on 512xh100, but they decided not to use that cluster and stuck to 32x since they'd have it for longer and apparently 512x unironically trains to fast to do meaningful testing iterations. it's now "complete" and has a work-in-progress v-pred ztsnr version which is very good.
>>27965 >anons actually checking the effectiveness of 'childish pussy' Truly scholars in here
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just some testing
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ended up going back to my came+rex setup, how is this (particularly take 3) looking? still feels underbaked but I had one run where I cranked the LR a bit and it was pretty bad
noob epsilon 1.1 is out >>27978 tough call. i think 1 overall does the skin shading and texture a little better, 3 is better on the face. neither hit the nude body shape particularly well, both sort of in the pony-loli-megumin area. i'd end up with 1 for my personal use i think.
>>27978 Take 2 looks closer with the painterly look and glow but they're all a little off. Though it could be helped with some additional prompting. Loras in general are lacking in control since composable lora and regional prompt have been broken back when Based64 was at the end of its relevancy
>>27957 can i get a catbox for the third and fourth one?
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>>27974 I did it mainly for the lolz, I already have the recipe for ultimate smol girl experience, thanks to noob vpred 0.65
Apparently janny banned me from /h/ without actually deleting my post, which is new Leaving anon requests here in case i forget to post it later Reverse bunny album https://catbox.moe/c/32petw
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After intense prompt stealing and reverse engineering the past few days, here I present to you: wildcard of advanced 1girl-ing Should serve as a better test suite than "1girl, {standing|sitting}, looking at viewer" https://files.catbox.moe/au7kfr.yaml
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>>27982 danuabox?
>>27990 based
I wanna update my Annie (league) lora for illust or noobai (any reason to favor illust training if I think noobai is better?). But it's been like 6 or 7 months since I last cooked. Any new lora techniques or metas? Is it still kohya? Also, what's the tagging consensus these days? I always just went with the wd autotagger around 2. To .35. Also where should I look for annie (league of legends) fanart. The eastern boorus are very sparse and searching twitter for a name as common as annie is a nightmare
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aged up married yanami anna = minase akiko >>27991 It has stealth metadata 8chan catbox userscript: https://gitgud.io/GautierElla/8chan_hdg_catbox_userscript webui extension: https://github.com/neggles/sd-webui-stealth-pnginfo
is using "very awa" recommended? i keep seeing it.
( ͡°👅 ͡°) This style is so cute. 'dono if you're here, but good luck with typesetting, anon.
what is it that makes kohya hrfix work or not work on a model? sometimes it seems to completely mangle things but it's 33% faster than regular hrfix for me so i'd rather not go back
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>>27995 it only really has an effect on the vpred model because I think they added it after 1.0. since it's based on automatic aesthetic score I find it helps with typical aesthetic things (framing etc) but also improves shading for detailed/painterly styles. >>27996 what style is that? I recognize the mild posse influence.
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>>27998 yeah I added an oppossum mix to see how it looks. it's the ao6336 and unarsite lora.
>>27999 >>27996 cute style
>>27999 > <lora:usa37107692-1299it-novae:1> lol you're using an sd1.5 lora for this?
>>27957 That Holo style looks exactly like some dude on pixiv makes using NAI. Impressive.
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>>27958 Have you tried the new noob ip-adapter
I still find it really hard to generate Nahida symbol shaped pupils with my diffuser setup
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>>28006 Use adetailer.
Nahida is still my go-to when I want some quick gens to masturbate and sleep
Haven't genned Nahida in a while but that reminds me I should try Kachina
>>28009 There's tribbie from HSR soon too whenever amphoreus launches
>>28009 I forgot (and fiz(-rot) yields like 200 results in this thread), did you post the link to your fizrot LoRA? Mine keep coming out super scuffed.
>>27961 catbox for the first?
>>28011 Never ended up posting earlier them but here https://mega.nz/folder/2FlygZLC#ZsBLBv4Py3zLWHOejvF2EA/folder/aZ9hVRCL There's both version trained on illustrious in noob 0.65 (non-s). I usually just add a little bit of the noob one in for flavor but using both is also viable like in >>27980
>>28013 sankyuu, will get some good mileage out of this hopefully
>>28014 No problem I think I had a stroke writing that post though what the fuck happened
perhaps have gone too far...
So what's the consensus on noob vpred models? I'm still on eps 0.5, tried 1.0 and hated it as I couldn't make anything look not fucked up and supposedly the vpred model is based on 1.0. Would I need to change my prompts a lot to get good results or is it mostly compatible with eps 0.5 prompts? Do I still need to switch to dev branch on reforge? The official statement is that it should work, but when I check the commits, the ztsnr ones are still not on main. >>27990 Can you redpill me on that sampler and scheduler? Is there a specific situation where you should use it or are you using it because it just works? I still don't know much about samplers and schedulers except euler and dpm++, where one is more smooth, while the other seems more detailed but noisy/sketchy. Also what is the sigma stuff?
>>28018 vpred is compatible with everything at this point. Just try your old prompts and slap on some cfg rescale as needed. Experiment more after you get a feel for it, it's not that complicated
>>28018 >Can you redpill me on that sampler and scheduler? Is there a specific situation where you should use it or are you using it because it just works? Both. I like how it look on painterly styles and it helps with very edgy case of making style from scratch, with just one lucky image https://files.catbox.moe/tx64nl.png basic euler full of artifacts https://files.catbox.moe/kpdn1t.png snakeoil not, still not feasible before refining with upscaling anyway, but it's something to start with. But don't actually mind that shit too much, you will need latest reforge dev2 to test it and edit ui-config.json https://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForge/discussions/186 I don't recommend to use smea dy when not starting from pure noise also, i.e. for upscales or hires >Also what is the sigma stuff? Another snakeoil rule of thumb from nai paper about doubling scheduler sigmas every quadrupling of canvas size, which is mathematically justified not by dick from mountain, but by someone who is know about this shit, in which I personally believe. It just give you more consistency when you starting from the noise, I was trying some comparison on halfchan a while ago. I also like that it's compute free, unlike some cfg intruding techs. >>28019 Sad part about rescale is when you turning it on the result could look even worse, than eps model results. Some prompts/artists just impossible without it
>>28021 >>28022 the loli norikos are very cute, something tickles my nostalgiaboner the right way in seeing a retro character aged down like that
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welp, vacation time from the cesspit of /hdg/ I suppose >>27965 usually "puffy pussy/labia" (used in this image) gets the job done for me personally. I don't use vulva because it might generate meat flaps I dunno, never tested it.
>>28025 also I use it in conj. with "cleft of venus" tag sometimes I'll neg "long labia" (its a valid tag on danbooru) but I doubt it does shit.
Does pcie matter ? Planning to do multi gpus (3090 + 3060) and its obviously gonna run at 2x8.
>>28027 gen 3 or gen 4? It shouldn't matter except for model loading time which is SSD bounded anyway https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/impact-of-gpu-pci-e-bandwidth-on-content-creation-performance/#Stable_Diffusion
>>28018 >Do I still need to switch to dev branch on reforge? The author recently backported vpred support to main branch, you may have to enable it from extension tab
>>28028 For now im just gonna do it with my pc so gen4 , but in future I probably build a server or somethin and do gen 3 to save some money IF it really doesn't matter. Im asking for model training too btw , not only generating
>>28030 You can always test it yourself https://github.com/XuehaiPan/nvitop
>>28020 Thanks, I think I understand (not really). I guess I'll just have to lurk moar and inspect more gens. >>28019 Never used rescale, no idea what it's supposed to do. Is it like dynamic thresholding, but as a multiplier instead?
>>28030 Ok I did some test, there seems to be a 12GB/s burst of PCIE transmit at the beginning of a gen, at least on reforge >nvidia-smi dmon -s t # gpu rxpci txpci # Idx MB/s MB/s 0 64 17 0 43 19 0 29 26 0 6 6693 0 11 4 0 36 92 0 7 0 0 11541 1351 0 72 6 0 25 13 0 58 19 0 42 15 0 49 12 0 38 27 0 24 12 0 35 19 0 39 10 0 5 6793 0 22 17 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 12551 1390 0 30 16 0 42 17 0 153 15 0 37 10 0 29 21 0 43 12 0 77 25 0 32 11 0 34 12 0 8 6742
>>28033 And training on single GPU, no idea how sharding the model among GPUs will affect the result My conclusion is training is not PCIE lane bounded and it may have impact on genning to a small degree # gpu rxpci txpci # Idx MB/s MB/s 0 63 21 0 40 13 0 52 39 0 37 7 0 41 9 0 91 29 0 58 20 0 19 12 0 30 17 0 28 12 0 49 17 0 39 19 0 67 27 0 65 31 0 24 6 0 40 12 0 30 29 0 58 20 0 38 19 0 40 14 0 26 10 0 32 25 0 39 26 0 34 21 0 89 26 0 24 15 0 48 14 0 107 36 0 52 19 0 29 21 0 52 14 0 91 33 0 17 9 0 46 11 0 28 26 0 52 29 0 39 26 0 39 18 0 29 12 0 28 13 0 40 13 0 43 12 0 114 18
[Expand Post] 0 28 17 # gpu rxpci txpci # Idx MB/s MB/s 0 65 18 0 54 17 0 56 16 0 49 14 0 45 11 0 29 12 0 55 18 0 48 20 0 37 24 0 106 25 0 29 13 0 30 18 0 80 25 0 47 15 0 42 14 0 48 28 0 27 10 0 56 6 0 44 12 0 24 10 0 43 24 0 37 14 0 36 19 0 40 17 0 1 0 0 35 22 0 32 32 0 28 10 0 48 12 0 40 11 0 49 18 0 52 12 0 54 16 0 55 18 0 54 23 0 25 10 0 26 1 0 27 0 0 75 0
>>28034 Weird enough genning on Comfy does not trigger that 12GB/s burst? What is going on I thought reforge and Comfy are the same backend # gpu rxpci txpci # Idx MB/s MB/s 0 118 6 0 4 0 0 23 23 0 215 19 0 44 12 0 89 10 0 139 47 0 40 11 0 81 23 0 39 61 0 67 12 0 38 18 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 46 18 0 142 90 0 32 13 0 137 28 0 24 58 0 112 20 0 29 20 0 24 7 0 225 11 0 28 17 0 11 7 0 1 0 0 5 0 0 13 0
>>28035 Thanks for the info you provided anon >Comfy does not trigger that 12GB/s burst So it wont even effect generating ?
>>28036 That's my test result yes, but again no idea how sharding the model among GPUs will change it
>>28032 Essentially, but a lot simpler with just one value to adjust after the regular CFG scale. I generally keep CFG the same between 5-7 and adjust rescale depending on the style. Generally lower is better for more 2d styles with more contrast, and higher is better for flatter contrast and more depth. Same as it would work for NAI v3.
>>28025 box? nice position
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Beach brats... Christmas brats next I suppose.
>>28017 box for that asuka?
>>28022 box? it's hard for me to get consistent child on child
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>>28041 christmas brats are powerful
>>28045 These are amazing.
>>28025 where's the sperging out about niggers?
>>28046 Thanks. I was surprised by how well Noob's learned ekrea jan's grain filter. I actually have to run the base gens through a de-denoising GAN or they come out at 2MB+ at 1MP. >>28049 >>28050 Cute festive birb. Egg laying in the h/d/g thread?
>>28040 I cant give out a box because it uses a personal LORA but I will give the prompt outline I used for it: on back,1girl,loli,nakano azusa,black hair,twintails,cat ears,long hair,collar,nude,flat chest,cleft of venus,puffy pussy labia,clenched teeth,rough sex,hetero,mating press position BREAK boy on top,*enter whatever male details here* etc. >>28053 most birds migrate come winter for a reason silly!
>>28037 Sharding unet model across multiple gpus is not a thing. The best you can do with sd is offload encoders and vae as a whole part to a second gpu with flux or sd3, both of which unreasonably huge and useless for porn and hentai. There is just no ui's that can do something simillar to llm's right now
>>28044 catbox birdhouse for these? If you used a lora to get a consistent harpy I'm going to cry
>>28021 >>28022 love swimsuit sex on the beach
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>>28043 remember to put futa in the negs .... unless ;) >>28057 amen and awoman
>>28048 Sorry, I've been busy. *AHEM* >>28025 GO BACK TO 4CUCKS, NIGGER
>>28004 I haven't, I don't have access to my desktop at the moment. Cna you try another pose?
>>28061 Here you go Pushed the controlnet weight as far as possible until the composition of the reference image started to bleed
>>28062 That's not too bad
>>28062 Guess I'll have to try it out, I've been struggling with a low angle "lying on glass table" prompt so this would probably help
any other anons take the illustrious pill? ive found a checkpoint i'm impressed with and seriously considering switching from pony, i just don't want to give up exisiting loras and re-train my own...
>>28056 It's an older Akai/Ugokashitari lora for pony but used on NoobXL: https://files.catbox.moe/o9ucgn.safetensors
>>28065 tbh this is more AOM than Pony if you're just prompting dikko or something lol
New to noobai and this vpred thing , is this the correct way of using it ? Does "epsilon" need anything extra like this too ?
>>28069 yes that is correct epsilon is what you were always using
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i enjoy how fanart tends to knot koishi's like a heart so the model follows suite
>>28067 >AOM are you saying Illustrious is more like AOM or the style of the gens is like AOM? in terms of inference accuracy this is worlds beyond what AOM achieved, and i can get accurate gens with much more complicated prompts than a pony-based model. the pony finetunes i've been using have always struggled with threesomes and pov hands in specific places, yet illustrious gets them in the first gen or two
>>28072 He's saying your gens look like {{{{{{ai-generated}}}}}}
>>28073 is this the thing all the cool anons are trying to do nowadays? trying to make their gens not look like AOM and pretend to be actual artists?
If only there was an anon who could make blacksouls style lora for noob...
>>28075 call me weird, but i've always liked styles close to that "generic game cg" look but yeah i'm looking like i'm gonna have to start retraining... illustrious seems to be able to do so much pony cant, or maybe its the finetune i'm using, idk...
>>28074 >trying to make their gens not look like AOM and pretend to be actual artists? i don't think anyone here's trying to pretend to be an artist or anything like that, but to most people who pay attention this "style" is genuinely displeasing
>>27033 been training a lot of style loras for noob and illustrious but haven't run into the need to train a char lora till now. do you guys use the same settings for styles with less steps typically for characters?
>>28074 eeeeeh I give your bait 3/10
>>28079 sorabox?
>>28080 illustrious based models seem to learn characters faster, I also usually use slightly smaller dims
holy shit analtan is actually cooking
>>28084 Great, here's to another year of constant tribalism over the gulf between local and SaaS.
>>28085 HHMMMMM noob is getting to the point where it's not just an ironic hyperbole to call it v3 at home, couple it with regional stuff and i'd say you're on your way to a "it's v4 at home" half-cope which wouldn't be bad at all if you meant "the main thread will turn to shit again because the shitposters will turboshitpost with v4" then i hate to break it to you but the stultifera tabula has long departed and the golden age will not return again
>>28086 >"the main thread will turn to shit again because the shitposters will turboshitpost with v4" then i hate to break it to you but the stultifera tabula has long departed and the golden age will not return again yeah the halfchan hdg is shit either way, nai or not schizos are fully settled there now
>>28087 >schizos are fully settled there now yeah that's what people like >>28085 seem to either ignore or be oblivious too, the schizos are a part of /hdg/ "now", no SOTA local model, v3/4 leak or whatever will magically make them go away
One thing I don't understand is why NAI is not hit by the credit card syndicate yet Could be they are too small scale to be a proper target
>>28088 >seem to either ignore or be oblivious too, the schizos are a part of /hdg/ "now", I mean I can see where they are coming from, nai certainly fuels the shitposting really well >>28089 >too small scale to be a proper target yeah i'm pretty sure it's just this
>>28089 because it doesn't work the way you think it does if anyone will get hit it will be paddle, the payment processor getting dropped by a payment processor isn't as quick and easy as kikenstein making a sad face and things going "poof" within seconds
>>28090 >nai certainly fuels the shitposting really well anyone and anything can fuel the shitposting really well, the shitposters don't need neither fuel nor reason to shitpost, they've decided they will shitpost and that will be it they still bait with astratroon screenshots
>>28092 >they've decided they will shitpost and that will be it case in point: the current state of the fresh thread
bread? I think it's fine to bake at 1k
>>28080 Haven't experimented much but definitely less steps than for a style. Only problem is style still seems to bleed quite a bit and lowering unet lr just made the lora worse
>>28089 they don't really advertise and they definitely don't advertise as a porn service vague, opaque, small, and hosting their own models, hiding in an ever-growing forest of a hundred start-ups screaming that they exist for ERP despite just being a front end for someone else's model and hosting with a license that forbids ERP
>>28095 using lora block weight might help to reduce style influence although i've never messed around with it personally
>>28095 Would tagging the dataset with artist names reduce style bleeding given that Illustrious based finetunes know artists?
Are there any documents with useful info such as how long a training takes on X gpu with Y amount of dataset etc ? I've seen some guides before but none talked about how long training takes If there is none then help me by telling me how long some of your own trainings took
>>28100 very nice gens, box for 1st one pls
>>28099 between twenty minutes and eighteen hours, depending on settings
Maybe a little off topic but anyone playing around with tts + voice cloning? https://voca.ro/12bDycLjetjL
>>28103 isn't the voice cloning/tts local scene completely fucked?
>>28104 No idea, just been trying out fish speech 1.5 after finally getting all the dependencies installed and it's been fun. Last I did anything related to voice stuff was RVC v2 https://voca.ro/1b8ZD7VoqmxG
>>28104 RVC is incredibly good but pure TTS is not, iirc.
>>28096 >screaming that they exist for ERP despite just being a front end for someone else's model and hosting with a license that forbids ERP as in some one just goes and grabs a model from The_Bloke? mostly curious cause I've found LLM's that don't want you doing ERP on local are trained not to respond to ERP situations, saying dumb shit like "im not comfortable with that." how exactly does one publish an LLM with the ability of ERP but forbid it under licensing? that's like winrar-tier licensing strategy right there.
>>28102 Lets say i want to make an artist lora and i have 300 images i can use , how long will it take to achieve a decent model on 3070
>>28107 the same way astratroon's discord bot does it: your prompt gets analyzed by the llm itself or a simple filter llms aren't actually capable of reasoning though which is why jailbreaks are so effective
>>28109 you don't say... i just figured it was a token weight thing, with a heavy bias to respond in such ways against ERP prompts
>>28110 nope, you can literally gaslight most (if not all) llms to give you smut if you try hard enough
>>28107 no like they're just using openai and eating bans hosting their own models, lol you have a high opinion of these thirdies
>>28112 >no like they're just using openai and eating bans from OAI or cc companies? because it's nearly impossible to get banned by OAI with how easy scraping gpt keys is
>>28105 can it do sexy voices though
>>28112 anon in >>28096 literally said "hosting," the bar for assumptions was set high
>>28115 "someone else's model and hosting"
>>28100 cute butthole
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I know its a meme here but /h/ is a shithole rn more than usual holy fuck
>>28120 You made me check, I guess I'll post some Kuro and get sent on another vacation.
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>>28119 See >>28064 His mix and prompt for the first box.
>>28125 the one finger fingering is really cute, wish there was a way to consistently prompt that
>>28120 >nearly 4 hours to bake a new thread holy shit that's genuinely hilarious
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>>28126 I'll box it up for you. It works most of the time. >>28127 Instead of a new thread let's talk about /hdg/'s new sponsor. Amazon. Get your cunny, in a box, shipped straight to your door, today.
>>28129 MORE
>>28130 only other one worth posting the downside of nice painterly watercolor styles is that they generally inpaint like shit
>>28131 >the downside of nice painterly watercolor styles is that they generally inpaint like shit try different img2img upscaler (it affects inpainting too), some upscalers like animesharp fuck up painterly/grainy styles and don't blend well. maybe something non-gan like Lanczos
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>>28122 Thanks, a shame I can't gen much these days because of AOC
>>28134 Not him, but that's why I prefer just cropping 1024x1024 squares in photoshop and doing whole picture inpaints on those instead of using only masked. I wish there was an option for this.
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>>28135 Very cute Sora in a box. What's this about AOC? I won't tell if you don't ;)
>>28137 >Not him, but that's why I prefer just cropping 1024x1024 squares in photoshop and doing whole picture inpaints on those instead of using only masked. I wish there was an option for this. Not sure if I understand why you are doing this
>>28139 To keep the resolution level of the inpainted area the same as the original, so no upscaling happens and the inpainted area doesn't end up looking too different (happens with some styles if the difference in resolution becomes too high, which sometimes also shifts colors). It's basically whole picture inpaint, but cropped for faster gen times. I only do this after hr fix, for base t2t gens I just do whole picture without any cropping.
>>28140 Alright I get it now but still seems like a very inconvenient process. You could try Lanczos too as an img2img upscaler. Color shift only happens with GAN upscalers from my observations. Soft inpaint (haven't really tried it myself though) and an img2img pass after inpainting to hide the seams are also viable.
>>28141 Yeah, it's a bit annoying, but not too much as it's just a matter of copy pasting back and forth with the added bonus of being able to easily compare old vs new (and I also tend to edit stuff by hand). I never though about changing the upscaler before, so i may give that a try in the future.
Any decent image browser that supports stealth pnginfo ? DiffusionToolkit is useless for me , 90% of gens i saved have stealthInfo , cant even see my own gens cuz it doesn't support comfyui either
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pov: students are tired of waiting for sensei to make a move
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>>28147 you only consider cyberfix versions?
>>28147 it's actually pretty solid version finally, seems like they on the right direction to fix oversaturation with artifacts with 1.0 release, not sure why green looks worse
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>>28145 >>28146 god I wish that was me
>>28150 wtf, 0.65 was this fucked?
what's the difference between the s and non s noob vpred versions?
>>28156 s is a mystery meat merged checkpoint that Euge has been doing to appease the Chinese's aesthetic taste
Some comparisons from random recent prompts. They're all 5 CFG with 0.7 rescale except the last one, where I turned rescale off. Seems like an improvement in many departments but some style mixes suffer heavily. The Clowpi one in particular makes me concerned because the alkemanubis/crumbles soft shading is much weaker. Probably sticking with 0.6 for now and occasionally dabbling with 0.75 to see if I can reformulate styles.
>>28155 well, everything between 0.5 eps bake and the latest bake was pretty questionable quality, maybe 0.6 vpred only was somewhat stable
>>28148 I prefer how it works but without cyberfix 0.75s also still seems a bit better
I feel like a shitter for still preferring Noob eps models. The "greyness" is visible, but it feels like much less of an issue compared to vpred models' current problems.
>>28161 My opinion on the matter is that oversaturation can be easily wrangled and dialed in, but you can't just introduce dynamic range and resolve the denoising issues intrinsic to eps. That being said, the denoising issues (eg, getting solid backgrounds) on Illustrious-based models aren't *that* bad, so you should just use whatever makes you happiest.
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>>28151 Stupid sexy cups
>>28138 Advent of Code, a programming contest during this time each year, also the only period of time each year /g/ is not a shithole
>>28172 0.75 is really nice, feels like a proper upgrade over 0.6 now despite the questionable decision making behind it. Finding myself having to adjust some artist mixes because they were tuned for the blown out saturation on 0.6 and the base artists are much more accurate.
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>>28167 I don't have those images on hand at the moment, but it's somewhere along the lines of these.
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>>28171 >jane is in the training data what the fuck, thats really recent isnt it? I always thought the cutoff was somewhere in april.
>>28176 Noob used the fully updated dataset as of the time it began training. However, it was missing some gold content which wasn't added back in until around when vpred started cooking.
Anyone else's webui crashing trying to load 0.75s? using reforged
>>28178 Nope, works fine for me. Check if your file is corrupted. I had a failing SSD that would periodically corrupt files and crash my webui when I tried to load them.
>>28169 My comfyui doesn't seem to be able to read stealth metadata , do i need anything else beside https://github.com/catboxanon/comfyui_stealth_pnginfo ?
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Tensor (https://tensor.art/) seems to have a working Img2video model but I have no fucking idea how to control this thing into doing what I want and it's hard to mess around with or test to see what works because you only get enough for two video gens with your daily allowance, maybe three. It's good to know that people are making advancements on the video front though, hope there's more of it later.
>>28183 fuckin whew that first one
Illustrious blows me away every time LORAs that were must haves in pony are all baked into the base model and using loras for it can actually be detrimental than simply using base to prompt for it
>>28188 on the flip side, i've been going through my NAI gens from like a year ago and feeling like illustrious & derivatives still come up short it's like 85% there compared to pony's 40% so i shouldn't complain, but i am looking forward to v4
>>28188 It's nice that you don't need them, but I still use plenty of style Lora's. Illu doesn't know 748cm for example.
>>28179 Thanks, seems like that did the trick.
I'm partial towards vpred noobxl, but yeah it's great. They made some questionable decisions that definitely harmed the model, but not having to deal with western styles+pony sepia+fucked tenc from hash collisions anymore is a markable improvement. Great knowledge of recent characters (dataset up to August?) and concepts, good understanding of transparency, decent style knowledge, so it's a significant improvement in my book over pony. I'm glad we're finally leaving that model behind.
>>28195 fucking hate that sweaty retard for poisoning the higashiyama shou tag
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>>28195 >BorschtBlueborscht Is there anywhere i can find that lora?
holy shit i can go over 1.2 without the picture immediately killing itself i forgot what this was like
noob vpred 0.75 is really, really good. i doubt there will be a major quality bump between here and 1.0. probably the best local sdxl checkpoint we'll see and possibly the best local /h/ model for a while unless some new meme arch crops up that's not prohibitively expensive to train.
>>28204 catbox?
>artist I like doesnt work as well on vpred as they did on eps its so over
>>28209 train a LoRA, and i don't mean that in the ironic pony astroturfing "the model doesn't need to know it just train a lora bro haha" way but more that illu/noob aren't fried and you can get pretty close to 1:1 if you use good settings for training or just drop the artist/a cleaned dataset and someone will probably do it for you
>>28210 I'm running on a 2060 unfortunately, not sure if training a lora is possible for my machine
>>28202 more of dis miku pls ( つ ◕_◕ )つ
>>28210 shit, I havent train a model since sd 1.5
anyone have a recent artist lora config?
>>28219 https://files.catbox.moe/58hkrw.toml just used this one, 71 images so adjust the repeats/epochs to reach the final step count here
>>28213 ざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこざこ
>>28220 thanks nigga
>>28210 >you can get pretty close to 1:1 if you use good settings for training Can you? I haven't either trained or used any LoRA for which I would say that. Do you have any examples?
think i fried it, six repeats may be too many and yet the colors aren't totally fucked incredible i hate pony
>>28226 based ponyhater
>feeling nostalgic >want to prompt theresa apocalypse >hoyo has changed her design like 3 times which confuses the AI and becomes hard to prompt her consistently I hate the honkai team so much bros
new thread doko


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