Reposting Board Owner's announcement. Originally here: >>47367 (ORIGINAL) BOARD OWNER HERE TO ADDRESS THE RECENT CHANGES ON THE BOARD AND ITS CURRENT STATE I'll be perfectly honest, this is a very weird situation that I and this board have found itself in. I don't think anybody expected 4chan to die all of a sudden and for this place to now be one of the largest (if not the largest) imageboards on the internet. This is gonna be a long post so strap yourselves in. 1. IDs and proposed solutions With regards to IDs, I'm aware the solution we currently have is not perfect. I think the custom solution my volunteer came up with is interesting. Its difficult if not impossible to please everyone but it was an earnest attempt to do so. I'm still willing to hear feedback on it, please do so articulately and calmly because sperging out helps no one and tempts bad decisions. The site has a lot of limitations. If I could implement IDs on a per-thread basis for just the ones that need/want it, I would, but the option currently doesn't exist. If you want it to be a thing, let the administration know about it on >>>/site/ or something along those lines. The more people who bring it up, the likelier it has a chance of happening. I believe there are more compelling arguments for IDs than against in this situation. I'll admit I don't like the idea of IDs much myself, but I believe it might be a necessary evil in the case of this board. Yes, perfect moderation would be nice and all and would probably be an ideal solution, but It's a thankless job, and there's not enough mods at the moment to go around for this site. I have 2 volunteers for this board, and myself. (and I've been pretty laissez-faire about the place for various reasons I'll explain later). Think about that. 2-3 people to monitor 40,000+ posts over the last 5 days. If possible, I'd like IDs to either be temporary or nuanced (e.g. IDs on a thread basis rather than a board-wide basis), but the solution my volunteer came up with might work well enough too. 2. Wordfilters I think a limited and well-made set of filters is fine. I believe the ones that were currently on the board are too broad, so I've already rolled back what I believe to be the most frequent ones that could be used innocently enough by anons. There's a few there that I don't know enough about and I'm open to hearing arguments for and against any potential word filters, including ones that were rolled back. I understand you fags are in a tough position. Pretty much all of you are not here by choice (though I am pleasantly surprised whenever I see how much some of you are enjoying the place and I hope you'll stay around even when/if 4chan comes back). With that in mind, I don't want this place to be "just like 4chan". I'd prefer it to be better. Many of you are used to a lot of retardation and terrible moderation on 4chan and have adjusted your behaviors accordingly. This place, as you might tell, isn't a place where you need to driveby shitpost just to keep a thread alive or grab attention. Despite this place being huge by my standards, I understand for a lot of you this place feels slow (which is pretty crazy to me but I digress). With that in mind, try to tailor your posts to this board's situation. 3. Rationale for recent actions With regards to me temporarily transferring the board ownership to one of my volunteers, that was basically a test run and trust exercise of sorts. I'm not sure if I'm interested in running this board depending on what happens. I have a life and I'd like to enjoy it (and by that I mean watch and play shit). I'm no different from any of you in that sense. Even though I've been pretty laissez faire about moderation, this place has now suddenly become a huge timesink for me, and that's not getting into the fact that I'm soon going into a profession that will leave me with very little free time, and I don't know if I'll be able to be properly active here anymore. In terms of the IDs, that was basically implemented because a volunteer brought it up to me, but I had also seen requests clamoring for it in certain popular threads. I've been pretty laissez-faire about moderation because I care about freedom, but also because I don't understand your culture very much. I haven't been on 4chan in probably a decade now, and even the few times I used it were not for any boards like /a/ there. I've been letting my volunteers handle things a lot because they are like any of you and should have more knowledge and understanding of the challenges and unique autists you deal with. Sometimes I genuinely can't comprehend what I look at when I check some of these threads out. Ideally all the most active threads would have a volunteer in them that are from their respective communities, but I digress. I just try to give them and you the tools to hopefully make this place be decent. I understand and agree with the need for freedom, but imagine a police force of 3 people having to handle an entire city and then telling them they have to do it blind on top of it too. The nature of anonymity makes it that much more difficult to handle a place like this. 4. The Current State of the Board So far its been pretty decent all things considered, but there are still a small but persistent minority of spammers, shitstirrers, and unique weirdos that are causing issues. The vast majority of posters overall here have been good and I've been happy and pleasantly surprised not to deal with as many problems as I was expecting, but there are still just enough of these bad faith individuals to be a thorn in the side of the board. Here's the thing, the board lacks enough trustworthy people to help ensure the place is clean and well-functioning. This also doesn't get into every minor mod action, certain people falsely reporting anything that personally annoys/offends them but doesn't break any rules, and so forth. I'm pleasantly surprised with the quality of some threads, and others are unfortunate magnets for trouble. If you want to help make this place better as a volunteer, there's information in this thread to send your applications to: >>29874 (or if there's an alternative means you'd prefer to communicate, let us know somehow) We NEED more volunteers for things to get better It's a complicated time, but things appear to be chugging along decently enough from what it seems like given the circumstances, though things are clearly not sustainable without more help. (On a personal note, I'm glad that a lot of the things I had in place for this board, most notably the NSFW allowance, has been received very positively.) 5. Conclusion We're all anons here. This is not an "outsiders/corpos vs anons" situation here. I claimed this board 2 years ago because I just wanted a decently active place to talk about anime. My volunteers are people chosen who have experienced 4chan as regular anons. Try to remember that, and if you ever feel like showing your appreciation in some way to them, I'm sure they'd probably appreciate it since this is a thankless job. Some grace on your ends means a lot, as I've done my best to be lenient with anons given the less-than-ideal circumstances to be under. Unfortunately, I've come to find that a few of the problem individuals need the rod more than they need a gentle hand but I've still generally tried to be gentle. If my volunteers' punishments feel harsh or unfair, let me know, but it probably comes from a place of experience of dealing with autists and terrible moderation and finally having the solutions to deal with them, and they potentially might get a bit overzealous in the process. It still ultimately comes from a place of wanting the board to be the best it can be, and they've ultimately done far more good than harm. That doesn't mean every harsh ban is totally justified or anything, no system is perfect and mistakes can and will be made, but I and my team will do our best to rectify errors and outliers when they occur. If you have suggestions or something you feel could improve the board in some way, let us know. I encourage you all to please feel report any rulebreaking actions that you feel should be dealt with so we don't have to scroll through every thread to find problem individuals. Reports do matter. Moreover, if you feel you were banned either unjustly or overly harshly (or simply just want to get back to posting and are willing to apologize and not do it again), don't be afraid to appeal. I do read them when I can, and will unban you if I feel your appeal is effective and you aren't a persistent faggot trying to shit up the place. I love this board, and I do care about you fags even if you're very different from me and I might not be able to handle the job in the near future (and if the unfortunate does occur, I hope whoever ends up succeeding me takes most of my ideas and feelings on the board to heart). I'd like for everyone to have a good time here while we're stuck with each other, and if you feel we made a mistake, let us know and we'll do our best to rectify it. Thank you for your time, hope you enjoy your time on 8chan. Forgive the fact that this announcement didn't come sooner.

Also, as suggested by anons, I want to advertise the fact that /a/ is seeking volunteers more widely. As a temporary measure, I'm thinking of changing the board CSS so that there's a little notice about volunteer recruitment on the posting form (see picrel). If you are vehemently against this, please let me know.

I lost. I'm sorry.

>>49640 That seems like a good idea.

>>49640 >>49617 You've generated a fair bit of ill will with your recent decisions, so don't be surprised if someone with a grudge decides to apply as a volunteer in order to cause havoc.

>>49610 You forgot to pin this.

>>49699 The moderation logs are public, if that happens then posting a complain here without escalating can solve that. Unlike 4c where the moderation was completely isolated and unaccountable, there's really no need of escalation here.

>>49741 Thanks.

Can somebody please do something about the autismo spamming charts in every general analyzing user posting habits?

i personally see no issue with IDs, on the other hand i see no issue with no IDs.

>>49786 Is this the new shitposting meta? >>49275 >>49502 >>49515 >>49241 >>49535 >>49558 >>49566 >>49571 >>49599 >>49608 >>49614

>>49786 turn off ID please!!

>>49786 huh maybe ids were a bad thing after all

>>49804 >>49807 I'd be lying if I say this isn't extremely funny, but I still hope they turn off ID

>>49610 What do justwannahelp or the board owner think of this suggestion >>44633 to pin the links to /animu/ and /a2/ at the top and redirect all anti-ID anons there? Newfags might not know they exist since they aren't on the 8chan homepage and most don't read through thousands of posts of meta discussion.

Can you ban the retard spamming charts across the entire board? How is that not off-topic spam?

>>49786 >>49804 The chartmenhera thinks this will scare certain individuals into turning anti-ID. Keep them. It'll be curious to see how long he keeps the analytics up for.

>>49807 >more posts than the fucking BO Not much of an accomplishment, considering BO only posted once

>>49743 >Unlike 4c where the moderation was completely isolated and unaccountable That is true, but I fear the moderation on this board may become slightly more reticent, and for good reasons. The refugees right now are ornery and are rattling the cages of their new cell, but all I'm asking is that you not become spiteful in return and start hiding in your ivory tower. >>49786 Yeah, sure, go ahead and start censoring shit. The IDs are public, it's not like he's showing us anything you can't see for yourself if you install the userscript. It was developed by an anon from kissu btw, give your thanks to him if you drop by.

>>49843 >>49825 Thanks for sharing the script, I think what you are doing is funny and not spammy at all tbdesu. Still, turn off ID please BO!

>>49852 What thread?

>porn and image dump threads allowed >thread quality still the same Well, technically better, since many Shounenspics didn't come. Only proofs that 4chan's /a/ shouldn't be blue board and that /c/ is pointless.

>>49849 > but all I'm asking is that you not become spiteful in return and start hiding in your ivory tower. If that's some kind of accusation chill out anon, you're wasting your time.

>>49843 You posted the same shit across multiple threads when nobody asked for it and it is completely unrelated to the topic of any of these threads or the topic of the board itself. How is it not off-topic spam? You even got a warning note for off-topic in one of those.

>>49617 The anti-ID camp is literally telling you that they want to troll the board.

>>49852 For some reason I doubt he will. I don't think he cares much.

>>49883 It was like that since day 0. That's why I openly call at least one of them "Pathological Poster". This is simple blackmailing. He did it against the BV, other anons in the meta thread, on /site/ against this board and now against random anons. Simple anti-social behavior. Nothing innovative or interesting.

>>49883 Lol, what a faggot. You can tell based on his posts that he's definitely nothing but a shitposter.

>>49827 I guess it's fine, I'll pass the suggestion along to the Board Owner. >>49831 >>49843 I have been away for a bit so I need to look into it properly but this sounds like off-topic stuff and should be dealt with. >>49849 >I fear the moderation on this board may become slightly more reticent Valid concern, thank you for voicing it. I'll be careful not to.

>>49903 Yeah I don't see any trolling intention either, OP has bad reading comprehension and probably samefagging rn

>>49883 Looks like their plan now is to start annoying the most active threads with id-related bullshit to polarize anons who previously didn't care about the changes into being against ids

>>49895 One of them also posted this on /site/, which looks a lot like blackmail to me: https://8chan.moe/site/res/11711.html#11711

>>49827 I think this is worth trying as a way to poll the posters. Truth is, most posters probably don't give a fuck. >>49883 >meta discussions are the only interesting part of this board Woman behavior, this faggot lives for gossip and shitflinging. I wonder what percentage of people who post in these thread have even gone out to the board to talk about anime.

>>49922 >>49903 In context of derailing other threads into meta discussion, outside of this one, where that was posted, saying that you're here, on /a/ for everything BUT posting about anime or manga; in other words, you're just here to criticize the board, is extremely bad faith.

>>49807 I wonder if you can profile someone based on their recurring IDs alone if given enough time? Like x + y = z. But z is their set of IDs, y is the constant value (like their IP) and x is the hash. I'm no math nerd but this feels like possible.

>>49743 Where can I see the moderation log

>>49924 >Looks like their plan now who is 'they' where are you getting this info from

>bbc65d >8f9958 Two completely organic, good faith posters with absolutely no nefarious intent behind their actions surely.

>>49980 >ID is a good thing actually: the post fuck ID and fuck you

why are id niggers suddenly mad and confused about the consequences of ids? you wanted this

>>49983 >4chan also had a ban log, even if it was incomplete. It was absolutely useless because omitted too much and didn't have names. If you think they're the same then you're completely wrong. >>49961 picrel

>>50000 my problem is this >>49679 >>49691 >thread with around 400 posts >2 posts by this id >leaves thread literally only came into a thread to meta post instead of contributing any sneks

>>49995 Get some sleep, sxarpfag.

>>49983 I think you might be misunderstanding the other poster. Who is asking if z being the set of hash's available can be determined given their actual ip. it's a hash reversing problem. Which wouldn't be likely but what you say is also correct about using metadata to profile users. It's why surveys claiming to deanonymize the takers and therefore is safe to take can be full of shit.

>>50019 I heard someone did this on 4chan.

>>49957 >>49983 idk, test it on yourself is probably easier. just take a bunch of IP and see if they correlate. it probably is not, I'm betting it on having something more to do with server time. >>50017 shut up, you know it's not my sleep time until 1-2 more hours

>>49952 I'm pretty sure the anon in the screencap was saying that he will post less, not more, since he will be boycotting the non-meta threads. The ID scheezos are already imagining grand conspiracies against them lmao. >>50000 check'd and kek'd

>>49995 >nooooooooooooooooo I need muh heckin ID-Free system to trans-validate all the posts I intend to samefag for!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well the verdict is out and ID's are still in despite r/Animes seething.

>>50031 (me) filtered undera-ge gir-ls to CIA agents

>>50032 >screeching about trannies How expected.

>>49807 For me is more genuine someone who has more posts under a certain ID. I don't see the problem. Better than people with few posts but suspiciously share the same ideas and the same posting style.

>>50028 >I'm pretty sure the anon in the screencap was saying that he will post less, not more, since he will be boycotting the non-meta threads. https://8chan.moe/a/res/37531.html >549 posts Yeah, he definitely doesn't like it here.

>Post Not Found What is going on ITT

Did jannies board-wipe the chartmenhera? At last an action I can approve of.

>>50043 justwannahelp is cleaning up a little

>>50036 >few posts Self-defeating argument. Anti ID posters are more paranoid and will reset their IP more often, or resort to posting with VPN and TOR. They even got encouraged by pro ID posters to sue VPNs and TOR, but they will still use a low post count as an argument. You think a more stable ID is more genuine. Maybe they should get blue checkmarks for IDs.

IDs really seemed to have spurred menheraphrenia rather than curb it >>50001 4chan's ban log at least let you see the banned post. No such luck with 8chan's where you can only see the post number.

>>50040 You literally linked a meta thread. And are you seriously implying that all 549 posts there were made by the same person? The absolute state of ID schiz*s.

>>50058 >Anti ID posters are more paranoid and will reset their IP more often, or resort to posting with VPN and TOR. Maybe they shouldn't be able to do that.

>>50040 and he had exactly one ID on that thread, so what are you trying to say?

>>50067 Limitation of the current software, ad hoc solutions are possible but it would be manual (?). You can ask that >>>/site/ because that's useful in general.

>>50086 sorry I meant one post

>>50034 >gets called out for discord troon behavior >ummmmm No U Ackchyually!!! Not much of a counter argument there buddy, ID's are staying.

>>50075 The thread is LITERALLY about 4chan dying. >And are you seriously implying that all 549 posts there were made by the same person? It's a very active thread with lots of anti-ID shitposting that has gone on for multiple days. Yet the shitposters say they're not here to discuss anime. They just want to criticize the board.

>>50086 >and he had exactly one ID on that thread, so what are you trying to say? I will tell you explicitly for you and the other low context people that that user was and still is resetting his IP address in that thread. He makes no attempt to hide it. You can scroll through the conversation and see that he's admitted to doing it several times, as well as replying to ongoing threads referencing his own previous posts while every post from his side of the debate has "(1)." This is the new shitposting meta for anti-ID faggots.

Do I not even get to see what post gave me the warning?

>>50118 But isn't it a pretty good example of what discussion boils down to when you add IDs to heated arguments and samefagging paranoia?

>>50124 so basically, ID doesn't help with anything at all, right...

>>49957 You can't. The hash includes a randomly generated thread salt, and the id is just a substring of that hash.

>>50112 I'm not getting what point you're trying to make. The meta threads are, among other things, exactly the right place to criticize the board. Some anons disagree with IDs so they boycott anime threads and voice their criticism in the meta threads. What's bad about that? Do you want to shut down all opinions you don't like and turn /a/ into an echochamber?

>>50140 this

>>50135 you replied to it yourself >>50033

New batch of (1) ids after BV finished cleaning up. Interesting.

>>50140 >>50150 It has been acknowledged that any feature can have pros and cons. In this case, you mention a valid con. To deal with said con, we will do our best to deal with posts that get too off-topic. Thank you for understanding.

>>50151 I literally provided context for why my post had "cia agents" out of nowhere though? I simply posted, realized I wanted to fix a mistake in my post, and so I replied to the post I made with more context. I did nothing wrong, what the fuck?

>>49957 >>50146 Also pigeonhole principle

Just had a crazy idea. What if the flamewar about IDs was started by 8/a/ staff to drive up PPH and make it seem like the most active 4/a/ successor to refugees?

>>50181 I mean that the post you made before this one is the one that got you warned, since it's not showing up for me Now complain to the janny not me, I just noticed it

>>50175 >It has been acknowledged that any feature can have pros and cons. >Thank you for understanding. Kek, you can't make sentences more vague than this. The board owner is a fucking cuck who can't commit to any arguments.

>posting literally takes minutes Do you have proof of work penalization against undesired posters? >>50118 It's extremely funny though. Especially because I got accused of caring too much about this issue in a previous thread, probably by him. Why don't you delete posts from anons who accuse anti ID fags of only wanting to samefag? It's an extremely dishonest argument. >>50124 IDfags said it's ok to reset your ID. I didn't, and my large number of posts was still used against me. >>50146 I'd like to know how suspiciously similar IDs for the same user are possible >>49880 >>50175 Translation: I won't allow any posting contra IDs.

>>50188 Even I, who posted here quite a lot already, know that soyjak party is more active than here.

This was supposed to be a "temporary measure" janny. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TEMPORARY MEASURE!!!!!!

>>50175 But have IDs actually been used for anything but ad hominem attacks on posters people disagree with (like >>50168 )? When is and isn't it off topic to analyze others posting habits?

>>50214 Is it? I went there once and only saw muh >tr*nime and soyjacks.

>>50143 >so basically, ID doesn't help with anything at all, right... It depends on how you look at it. They are doing work right now. There's just a loophole. From the perspective of having a desire for an effective ID, the system can clearly be exploited for trolling purposes. So far, it seems like moderation is pretty overwhelmed, unable or perhaps not yet willing to crack down on this kind of behavior. From the perspective of these vocal anti-ID niggers, all they are really saying is they are too lazy to reset their router or use a VPN. The easiest (low tech) solution to the first problem could be cracking down on "(1) trolling," but a more permanent solution (probably requires site coding) could be something like a 15 minute cooldown timer for new IPs, or somehow tying the ID to a site cookie. The logical solution to the second problem would be for the anti-ID niggers to realize how easy it is for them to change their ID, realize that they actually can post in an anonymized fashion, and to shut the fuck up about it in the meantime. Is that easy? No, probably impossible, actually, for these people.

>anti-ID anons sperg no stop >BV alter CSS to hide IDs >still sperging >get explainable that they can create new boards without IDs >they make /a2/ and reclaim /animu/ >still sperging >BO timidly agrees into pinning /a2/ and /animu/ >still sperging There's no amount of concessions that will ever satisfy a disingenuous faggot. They just want to shit the whole site reign free.

>>50188 I don't even know why they enabled it. 8chan was looking fine until they suddenly enabled it. The screenshot from the vtuber board samefag got pased around.

>>50224 Most anons simply went there and never checked any other imageboards. 1 day after 4chan went down I was already checking where everyone was migrating, so I would know.

>>49883 While I understand the ease of just writing off that anon as a simple troll and thus ignoring him / other anti-ID posts, I would warn against it. There are many anons who are legitimately against IDs, like myself, who are extremely wary / hesitant about engaging in their generals for non-shitposting reasons as a result of this. >post image w/ filename you don't generally change (even as simple as everydayuntilyoulikeit.sakurafish or perhaps tsukasa-deer.gif) >make serious post later >now joke image is associated with serious text because it's the same person posting it I understand that you are not willing to, or are unable to conceptualize the minds of anons who are bothered by this, but you need to be aware that they exist and are not simply trolls. >>49957 Firstly, yes you can. Secondly, there are more factors that go into it. As explained above, but in your case for instance: "1715275293144257.webm" + "inability or ignorance of profiling capabilities", etc. Next time you post that image with that filename I know who you are and what you've said from many past threads. There is the argument to be made of "yeah but you could see/know the past posts with that filename" and that's true, but now it's no longer just "posts with filename", it's "all posts in that thread that the file was posted in". >strip filename A) if you forget to do this, gg B) 1/4 of the fun of certain images / contexts is the file name. >>49924 >anons who previously didn't care >read arguments >"hmm, that makes sense" >AAIIEEE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT Please anon. If someone is able to be polarized or convinced, then either their mind is too weak to resist propaganda efforts and thus they and their opinion, as someone with a mushy mind, is to be discarded, or they made the choice with their full faculties and thus their opinion should be respected. >>49946 >Truth is, most posters probably don't give a fuck. If most posters don't care, then you still have the very valid debate between the few who do care be they pro or against. >>50012 >be anon >have a dynamic IP >post in thread >get IP shuffled >now get all posts discarded because "lol only two posts by this ID" This would not be possible without them. Hovering over the posts says they're deleted / not available so maybe you were right in this instance and he was a troll, but that still doesn't bely the underlying argument.

But why are there so many nonsensical word filters all of a sudden?! I don't even understand what I'm reading 30% of the time.

>>50188 /a/ meta threads already have ~2500 posts after the IDs If I guess 50/50 (to be generous) then the anti-ID side could increase the post count on /animu/ by 10 times, just with half the post count of these meta threads. Whereas the meta of /a/ is just 5% of /a/, half of this is +1000% of /animu/. Post numbers are the closets thing to voting. And post substance to genuine interest.

>>50225 >for the anti-ID niggers to realize how easy it is for them to change their ID, realize that they actually can post in an anonymized fashion, You will accuse them of changing their ID or having an untrustworthy post count. I bet most ID defenders are from /pol/ or /biz/, which bred this kind of paranoia.

>>50058 >Anti ID posters are more paranoid and will reset their IP more often, or resort to posting with VPN and TOR. So you acknowledge that you could always samefag, you are just mad because you can't be the most obnoxious samefag possible anymore like those that pretend to be a different person every post or have a discussion with themselves.

>conspiracies >COULD COULD COULD poster >ban evading chartposter >harassing the janny >"b-but we are totally innocent posters who just want to post freely 😭" This raid really has everything.

>>50264 If other anons resorts to "muh ip count" as ad hominem that speaks about themselves, using fallacies isn't free.

>>50214 Pretty sure it actually isn't at least based on stats I saw a few days ago >>50247 These are all valid points.

>>50271 This argument is so dumb. It's impossible to defend against it, it's disingenuous, it's paranoid. You know what someone who wanted to samefag would do? Use a PC and a phone at the same time to dual wield IDs. Maybe he'd do it like ACK, who must have thousands of VPNs and phones at disposal, except he "only" uses them to spam. Do you think /pol/ and /biz/ got saved from shilling by having IDs? >>50275 I didn't get banned. Only temp banned for 10 minutes.

>>50271 >anon posts his opinion >other posters agree with him "LOOOOK THEY ALL HAVE (1) POST SAMEFAG" unironically, how is this any different

>>50294 Apparently ACK uses something called oxylabs, some residential IP service or something.

>>50001 nani?

>>50294 Apparently ACK uses something called oxylabs, some residential IP service or something.

>>50308 >>50315 Messed up the IP change?

>>50294 >You know what someone who wanted to samefag would do? Use a PC and a phone at the same time to dual wield IDs. Yeah, i know dedicated shitposters still will samefag. Only the laziest shitposters will be filtered and it seems you were one. IDs are okay, nobody says is the perfect solution.

One last thing BO, why did you delete these charts? They're using public information only. (It's the ID defender fag from the previous meta thread. He never sleeps because he has to defend IDs.) >>50308 >>50315 Am I seeing double? I believe ACK used every method on the planet to ban evade. He's been at it since 2011. Imagine if he felt the need to samefag in an ID stable way.

>>50271 >could >possibly >potential >maybe >perhaps >theoretically >chance >probability >hypothetical >can Yet with ID the downsides are absolutes.

>>50308 >>50315 Nice IP hopping

>>50308 >>50315 Nice IP hopping

>>50264 >You will accuse them of changing their ID or having an untrustworthy post count. Strawman >I bet most ID defenders are from /pol/ or /biz/, which bred this kind of paranoia. Ad hominem >>50294 >Do you think /pol/ and /biz/ got saved from shilling by having IDs? You would make a more persuasive case if you actually tried to use facts.

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>>50323 thanks >>50344 >>50346 Messed up the IP change?

>>50308 >>50315 Oxylabs is pretty expensive, while tuxler is free (yes it is a literal botnet but just get one or two VM or VPS since you are already messed up in the head) >>50338 Probably just clicked reply twice since it's taking a really long time for post to actually show up, and now you see all the crazy pro-IDfag out of the woodwork to point it out. And they will still say that it doesn't matter

>>50338 You seem more interested in his life than discussion about /a/. Maybe you should ask the email of that anon to be more effective with your blackmailing.

>>50227 Hehe, cute iToddler BTFO'er demon girl or something.

>>50247 >legitimately against IDs "Legitimate" implies that you made a good argument. >>post image w/ filename you don't generally change (even as simple as everydayuntilyoulikeit.sakurafish or perhaps tsukasa-deer.gif) >>make serious post later >>now joke image is associated with serious text because it's the same person posting it All you're saying is you want to pretend to be a "serious business" person, and, despite being completely anonymous, you think posting something unserious will make you lose faith to such an extreme degree that EVERYBODY ELSE on the website needs to suffer just to conceal your immature sense of vanity. Nignog, you are posting your serious business 5-paragraph essays on an anime website where people can post lewd loli. You're not John Locke. You're some faggot who jerks off to naked anime girls. Own it. It will set you free.

>>50338 If they were posted in many other threads, then the intent was spamming and/or malicious. If they were only posted here, then my question (not BO btw) is what's the point of posting them. "Oh wow one or two guys posted a lot". Okay. Now what? Is the second one sleep schedule? If so he's either sleep deprived, on stimulants, or running with an uberman sleep schedule. Whichever the case, impressive.

>>50247 there are plenty of people with literally 1 post to their ID itt, no one disregards those posts, but two posts that serve have nothing to do with the subject of the thread other than dragging off-topic meta discussion from here into a thread that isn't about meta discussions is inherently disregardable.

>>50339 Reusing others' arguments like my "your superficial reasoning and plausibility is just sophistry" doesn't make your position less sophistry. You have pretty concrete arguments and data that isn't just blackmailing here >>29874 And yes, if the offtopic charts gets deleted is for a reason. Maybe you should try to write something with a little of genuine effort instead of blackmailing here, in the whole board and /site/.

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/533764-8chan-ids >>50383 The BO deleted that after he deleted all my previous posts. After that I posted only this chart. I didn't post more charts in not meta threads. It was a separate deletion. >>50349 >Strawman >Ad hominem Yes, these are the fallacies you're using. >You would make a more persuasive case if you actually tried to use facts. How is /pol/ and /biz/ using IDs not as fact? How is it not a fact that these are botted shitholes filled with paranoids?

>>50403 and inb4 "it wasn't me" I don't care, you can do a different approach than that chart-anon and complain about that behavior too.

>>50376 >that anon >8PBTID But I thought IDbros hated samefagging.

>>50406 >Yes, these are the fallacies you're using. ad hominem >How is /pol/ and /biz/ using IDs not as fact? How is it not a fact that these are botted shitholes filled with paranoids? appeal to emotion

>>50338 also I don't think these charts should be deleted if kept in the meta thread >>50376 he's simply just interested in the IDs and posts from such IDs, like I'm sure someone here is already doing it with me and him, but visualized. heck, he's already got a name for himself!

>>50376 >blackmailing It's all public information visible with IDs. How can this be blackmailing? Maybe I just don't want IDs because I don't want my posting hours to get tracked. You seem to think the same. Anyway, later, reddit fuckers.

>>50414 You see anon, I'm only interested in preserving the IDs, if you think that post is worth a direct reply then you're wrong.

>>50338 I'm assuming it was a wipe of all your posts since that was more efficient - since you were posting in a bunch of threads. First, keep it in the meta thread. Second, consisting of public information doesn't mean a post should not be deleted. Finally, I will delete posts that I think are likely to derail the thread.

>8f9958 >bbc65d Once again, totally organic posters totally not acting in coordination with each other for nefarious ends against anons and the board.

>>50406 >Yes, these are the fallacies you're using. "I know you are, but what am I!" Uh....right. So you don't know what an argument is. >How is /pol/ and /biz/ using IDs not as fact? How is it not a fact that these are botted shitholes filled with paranoids? Is English even your first language? If you want to refer to how IDs ruined /pol/ or /biz/, you need to explain how. Use FACTS. Why is that so hard? Facts means real examples of what happened. Why did people want IDs (and country flags) on these boards, and how were or weren't they successful in suppressing the spam? In the case of /pol/, for example, you should also be addressing the fact that moderation allowed a large amount of off-topic posting. How did that differ or was it the same as on 8/a/? Use facts.

>>50423 >It's all public information visible with IDs. How can this be blackmailing? It's enough if the victims feels annoyed. Maybe other board is more your speed, disruptiveness included.

>>50437 >>49980 kek, if I told you I had nothing to do with him, would you believe me? of course you wouldn't, but thanks for proving my points though

>>50381 Have you ever watched Welcome to the NHK? Many anons are not entirely well in the head. Be it anxiety, paranoia, aversion to [X], or any other number of issue they have. Yes, it would be better for everyone involved if they were able to just write it off as nothing significant. But for whatever reason, they can not. For those who do care about such things regardless of your insistence they should just not care, the next argument you will make will be "lmao bro no one cares about who you are", despite this thread being full of several posts of anons doing just that, analyzing post/ID behavior. I offer a different argument entirely though. We already have anons who are not wanting to post due to IDs. Reverse the situation for a second. Do we have anons who will be discouraged from posting without IDs? Surely not the refugees from 4chan at the very least because they were already posting without them, and if requirement for IDs was there, they wouldn't be posting on the chans anyway.

>>50447 Victims of what?

>>50451 And yet animu is dead. Long life to animu. People didn't have a choice before 8chan.

>>50468 Does animu have nsfw unspoilered? This is important.

>>50483 "loli and coombait are allowed, but should be spoilered" not sure if that includes full nudity though

I do not think the purported social anxiety factor is as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. When I got here, the board was utterly dead. There weren't even threads about the majority of currently airing anime, much less episode threads. In the past few days, it's become extremely active and actually functional, though. That was with IDs. Are a few spergs lurking moar instead of spilling their spaghetti? Maybe. I just don't care, though. If they can't deal with thread IDs, I don't think they're well adjusted enough to deal with your average conversation on an imageboard. >Do we have anons who will be discouraged from posting without IDs? Think about it like this. The IDs offer an ability for self-moderation that negates a lot of 4chan's content moderation overreach that everybody hated. However, there are still certain features of 8chan that are inferior--the other boards, particularly hobby boards, are ghost towns; the website functionality is lacking in certain ways (albeit better in other ways); and the site is overall less responsive and slower. If 4chan comes back, and 8/a/ drops the IDs so it's indistinguishable from 4/a/, then why the fuck would people stay here, instead of just going back to the much faster 4/a/, on the same site as the much faster hobby boards?

>>50483 yes, although it's recommended to spoiler. it probably won't get deleted though since /animu/ moderators seem pretty chill. >>50468 it's 2 days old anon

>>50499 intended for >>50451

My main reason why I don’t like ids: if I get too many yous, I don’t feel like responding to all of them and I’ll feel bad for not responding to anons :(

>>50503 Sure, but posting more there rather than this meta would completely change that board...

>>50468 They sure don't have much of a choice now, and to discount that is to be disingenuous. You know full well why YOU, a recent arrival, didn't post here on 8/a/ even though the option was available to you all these years. Your community was elsewhere. Being able or unable to get a community to move says nothing about the quality of their current home. People endured the conditions on 4chan for years until they were literally forced to move, and it was not because of their tacit support for how that board was run. It was because that is where everybody settled. Right now you and the moderators have inertia and network effects on their side and only that.

I'd honestly recommend most people on both sides of the ID argument to take a break, because it's possible that the person you're arguing with isn't discussing in good faith and not much benefit to the board will be gained from a back-and-forth like that. I think people have already made their points many times, and right now we're deep into a broken telephone + broken record nightmare scenario. Of course you can share your opinion at any time. I'm writing this not to voice an official stance by the moderation team, but rather as a personal suggestion to chill out. You won't gain much from "winning" an argument, and it seems like most people here wouldn't concede any points anyway, let alone admitting to losing the argument and then changing their position on the ID debate.

>>50499 the board was already becoming active before ids were introduced. if anything it became less active.

God, custom fonts are so fucking obnoxious. kys board queer

>>50527 Maybe it's because the PPH below 20 just one week ago. Think anon, maybe demographic scale changes some things... >on their side and only that. You could put some initial momentum too.

>>50529 >it seems like most people here wouldn't concede any points anyway, let alone admitting to losing the argument and then changing their position on the ID debate. Joke's on you, I've been arguing for IDs from my PC and against IDs on my phone (while toggling airplane mode constantly).

>>50447 >the victim Do you really need to speak about yourself in the third person? I thought you hated samefagging. I don't know what timezone the charts are in, but there's a 19/24 chance you're in the thread, and about 10% of all posts here are going to be yours. You're not fooling anyone. I understand if you dislike this, and it goes against the spirit of image boards, but it's absolutely no different from >1pbtid posting.

>>50535 >the board was already becoming active before ids were introduced. I don't know about that. The point is that if IDs are so loathed, then what is all this activity DESPITE the IDs, you silly fuck? >if anything it became less active. Lol, no.

>>50529 >"Stop making good arguments just let us put these ID's in peace!"

>>50548 >Do you really need to speak about yourself in the third person? I thought you hated samefagging. I'm literally included in one of those pics, and that tactics is also applicable to me. Yes, directly and by proxy that is blackmailing. If you think I'll ignore that behavior just because that post focused on an id in particular you're foolish.

>>50529 Why not pin links to >>>/animu/ and >>>/a2/ on the first page then?

>>50551 90% of activity is in this cancer thread idnigger

>>50554 That's a pretty narrow and short-sighted interpretation of my post. If I really wanted to shut down arguments and just "put these ID's in peace", I'd create a rule to ban all meta talk about IDs and announce a confirmation that IDs are staying forever.

>>50529 Said this myself last thread, people are just arguing in circles now. I do wish ID related shit stays in the meta thread though.

>>50563 I've mentioned your request to the Board Owner, I can't do anything as a Volunteer.

>>50564 Are you a recent arrival? Or just can't read? The board didn't have episode threads for currently airing shows prior to the diaspora. The threads did not exist. We made them, and now those threads are getting 150+ replies. For example: https://8chan.moe/a/res/30414.html https://8chan.moe/a/res/25219.html https://8chan.moe/a/res/12586.html https://8chan.moe/a/res/11490.html

>>50498 >>50503 /animu/ will remain a dead board then. >>50563 Neither are carrying the spirit of this improved /a/ minus ID's why bother.

>>50587 is unspoilered 2d porn allowed here?

>>50587 This yuyu is naked.

>>50579 I've been here from the day 4chan was hacked. you even linked one of my threads lmao the reality is the type of "people" who like ids are low iq easily excitable snowflakes who cannot for the life of them ignore shitposts or menheras and constantly get baited into replying to them despite complaining about them all the time. so they end up smashing tables and demanding everyone bend to their sensibilities. you didn't have that power on 4chan but here the mods are more than happy to do everything the vocal minority wants to appease them and hope they remain here. truly pathetic meets pathetic.

>>50561 Do IDs serve ANY other purpose than to allow you to study the posting habits of people you're fighting with in order to discredit them? All chartanon did was beat you at your own game, how is that blackmail?

>>50551 >The point is that if 4chan was so loathed, then what was all this activity DESPITE the garbage, you silly fuck? Well? Weeeeell? >>50566 You know better than to direct your attention to those posts that are not good-faith and high-effort attempts at discussion.

>>50611 This lain is smug.

>>50602 janny i need to know this is vital for my life can i post unspoilered nekkid lolis here?

>>50566 >create a rule to ban all meta talk about IDs and announce a confirmation that IDs are staying forever. How long do I have to wait around until that happens.

This a bug? For some reason auto-updated posts get weird updated times. Fixes itself after a page refresh though.

>>50227 As the saying goes: "If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile"

>>50621 idk, but maybe if you blindfold her so she doesn't notice.

>>50457 >>50499 >In the past few days, it's become extremely active and actually functional, though. That was with IDs. I would discount the first few days as no one really knew what was going on and/or where to go. The activity may have picked up alongside the introduction of IDs but it was in no way due to IDs. I know that's not what you're saying, but it needs to be said. The pickup of activity is not related to IDs. >Why stay here instead of 4chan without IDs? If you are seriously arguing that point I'm not sure where to continue the conversation. Different community, different moderators, ability to post NSFW, loli-friendly, ability to say shittalk solo leveling threads without getting banned, ability to say nigger without getting banned, *the ability to post without captcha*, etc. To even attempt to say IDs are the only difference belies your tunnel vision on this matter. >>50468 Not only is it new, it's not on the front page, and it's not even /anime/ so it's going to get less traffic until people realize it exists. >>50529 You have a point, however I would add that, for myself, I am only responding to new points raised, such as the "why not 4chan when it comes back". >I don't think you needed red text but whatever >>50551 A decent chunk of the traffic is the arguing about it though lol >>50602 Yuyu's yuyus.

>>50601 Unfortuantely yes

>>50645 your tricks won't work on me hag

>>50645 i saw a tsukasa deer gif in one thread unspoilered and then came back the next day and it had been spoilered by jannies lmao

>>50632 I've seen that bug often when the server is laggy iirc, it also affects the post content in a weird way.

>>50551 my dear schIDzo 90% of nu-/a/ traffic is either meta banter or guppiefaggots

>>50650 >Not only is it new, it's not on the front page, and it's not even /anime/ so it's going to get less traffic until people realize it exists. Before yesterday I didn't see any coordinated effort to promote wsj, a2 or animu, besides a few posts I did in wsj and a2, just to boost the PPH... It's hard to promote something empty, and yes, pinning or something would help but why then discuss for so long and insistently here? This is the first post asking for that in a proper place or thread >>44633. I was promoting wsj and then /a2/ way before that, starting some threads there and posting. ie >>>/29625/, and there's another thread. wsj is already promoted and it could include the 2 big shounen generals, most manga dumps, etc.

>>50685 >This is the first post asking for that in a proper place or thread An /animu/ janitor previously posted here but their post got deleted.

>>50697 For something deleted there's a lot of results when I search /animu/, also in the former meta >>35037 And even on >>46207 it isn't if there's an attempt of censoring other boards. If you mean the mention in this >>46207 then there's not even details of the reason, it is no shortage of reports in the meta thread and there're 3 mods deleting pots en masse if there're too many reports. It's just a post, if there's evidence of proactive persecution it would be another matter.

>>50655 Shhh! She doesn't know that she's NSFW. >>50650 >A decent chunk of the traffic is the arguing about it though lol >>50669 >my dear schIDzo 90% of nu-/a/ traffic is either meta banter or guppiefaggots This is such a fake talking point. It's on the same level as saying that IDs will make the board into plebbit. 8/a/ is extremely active right now, and is full of people who have come here to discuss anime. >>50650 >If you are seriously arguing that point I'm not sure where to continue the conversation. 4chan has had extended periods of downtime and board turmoil before. And while it's true that 8chan is loli-friendly, there are a lot of users who don't like it, so that's not a benefit for everyone.

>>50729 >If you mean the mention in this >>46207 (804) then there's not even details of the reason I was, in fact, referring to that post. There was no reason for the deletion since it was the exact same as >>46207 just without the first line. My point is that the mods here are extremely uncoordinated and that nobody is keeping them in check.

>>50685 >It's hard to promote something empty It's also hard to fill something without people. It's kind of a chicken or the egg question. >/wsj/ I would never use this but I will promote it if only to draw away /dbs/ and other mexicans. >>50730 >This is such a fake talking point. We're on already the 4th meta thread where each previous meta thread had over 1000 replies. Include meta posts on other threads (the entire reason the meta thread was made), it's safe to say that recent meta conversation alone is already 10% of the board's total post history since its inception.

>>50756 >It's also hard to fill something without people. >It's kind of a chicken or the egg question. Not even a question if you can make threads. The korean anon that was being trolled to death simply left and began his own board and he's actually posting and being constructive there, even when there's an obvious flame thread that he could delete.

How do you search for posts on 8chan?

>My point is that the mods here are extremely uncoordinated and that nobody is keeping them in check. There're only 3 BV completely over worked, all of them global because you can have local mods for generals, I would be at least lenient with them if they aren't doubling down with their MO. Complaining about specific actions is ok. >nd that nobody is keeping them in check. And what you would suggest? limiting powers, mod scope, other thing?

>>50773 alt+f4

This >>50779 is for >>50749

>>50770 >make lucky star thread >no lucky star anons around to post in it >have to talk to myself to give the illusion of posters >illusion entirely fades when I go to sleep Post activity is exponential once the ball gets rolling, but it's seriously hard to do. If it was so easy, there wouldn't be nearly so many dead altchans. >>50779 Just a terminology thing that I may be getting wrong, but I'm pretty sure global means for all of 8chan. I don't think you can designate a mod for only a singular thread unless it's something like a janny/volunteer who pinky promises to only touch that general.

Why don't the BO here lower the bump limit to 500? It would make things better honestly

>>50792 >make a x serie thread >don't care about id or anons, simply "waifupost" >some of the usual contrarians start using the slur "waifupost + extra slur" I don't care.

>>50800 Agreed x 1000

>>50792 > but I'm pretty sure global means for all of 8chan. I'm talking about global for the board, ie not limited to a thread on specific. Global for the website doesn't exists besides the root. > who pinky promises to only touch that general. You can literally see all the activity of the moderators. The BO can simply take the BV power anytime. Discussing this is a waste of time because there're only 3 mods right now...

>>50792 all the luckies left when the janny started fagging out with word filters and id's and the board owner admitted to being a reddit-tier normalfag who never visited 4/a/. you'd unironically gain more traction in /animu/.

>>50816 Then where are they now?

>>50823 either watching raki suta for the 6th gorillionth time, on smugloli or /animu/. or married with children.

>>50836 kek. justwannahelp sure does help.

>>50836 the art of the shart

>>50836 Flopped

>>50836 Yeah, Miyako is the girl of my dreams.

>>50800 Agree.

What does the poop symbol mean?

>>51045 Uh oh stinky threads!

if thread personalities are disallowed, why are IDs allowed

>>50816 >the board owner admitted to being a reddit-tier normalfag who never visited 4/a/. you'd unironically gain more traction in /animu/. This kind of thing is almost not believable on the surface of it but this anon is correct and I want to point out the specific words used. >>47367 >I've been pretty laissez-faire about moderation because I care about freedom, but also because I don't understand your culture very much. I haven't been on 4chan in probably a decade now, and even the few times I used it were not for any boards like /a/ there. I've been letting my volunteers handle things a lot because they are like any of you and should have more knowledge and understanding of the challenges and unique autists you deal with. My first knee-jerk reaction is "if you haven't been to 4chan but wanted a place to talk about anime, why not just... go to 4chan instead of claiming 8chan's /a/" ? >We're all anons here. This is not an "outsiders/corpos vs anons" situation here. I claimed this board 2 years ago because I just wanted a decently active place to talk about anime. Board Owner, with all due respect to you as a person, by admitting you are not part of the culture you are identifying as "not anon" as far as most are concerned. It's just something for you to keep in mind mentally.

>>51123 4chan culture is not imageboard culture. It hasn't been for at least a decade now. One can absolutely be a part of imageboard culture without ever visiting 4chan. What you're saying is similar to >if you aren't watching the currently popular shounen, you aren't a real anime fan Having wasted your time on the irredeemable poojeet-filled shithole that 4chan is isn't an accomplishment.

>>51123 If he hasn't been on 4chan in the last decade I don't see that as a negative. 4chan culture at large has been shit for awhile, I literally only went there because the rest of the active internet was even worse. /a/ resisted a lot of the worst aspects of the other large 4chan boards, but even it had become shit and was mostly full of retards, the behavior of which you can currently observe over on desuarchive.

>>50792 So you started a thread about an anime that's (checks notes) 18 years old, were surprised that nobody was keen to discuss the latest episode, and you thought that you could samefag to "jump start" discussions? Seems like the IDs are working as intended to me.

IDs = more ID hopping = more work for volunteers

Shouldn't have autosaged the Netflix Kakeguri thread because adaptations like the nigger L, bebop and One Piss adaptations are directly related to their source material and were allowed on 4/a/. These adaptations do play into whether the source material keeps going or gets axed, and the author's do describe their involvement and creative input into the series which can be good discussion, as with the abysmal quality of these adaptations for funposting. Discussing an official, creator/publisher approved adaptation is way more on topic than AInigger/porn dump threads, chatroom generals and thinly veiled 4chan vs 8chan threads. Even if live action adaptation threads did receive moderation, typically at least the first thread would be allowed to reach conclusion as it would die out in a couple days, which is only a problem here because threads live for years.

>>50810 >>50800 >>50982 I'll let him know.

>>51610 Okay, un-autosaged.

i still think implementing the 2chan method of a poster's ID getting revealed if they surpass a certain report threshold on their posts would be the best method if it would be possible to implement.

>>51634 I don't think people are reporting enough for an ID to come up enough even when it "should". Unless you mean a separate reporting system where people just vote to reveal someone's id. That seems like it could open up its own can of worms as well like trying to convince everyone in a thread to vote for an anon, etc. I haven't thought it through too much; these are just my first impressions.

>>51634 It's a good idea but the BO and vols here can't implement a feature like this simply because the feature hasn't been added yet I wonder if this could be implemented with CSS? I think it's also possible for a board to use custom JS as well.

>>51644 Yeah, something tells me that if you take off the IDs but have something like this here, you'll get a butthurt samefag trying to astroturf "support" to report whoever upset him.

I say keep IDs. The persecution-tier posting against (1) posts is very funny.

>>50551 retarded newfag, the boards were already active BEFORE the IDS came

>>51644 more people would use the report function if they knew it did things like reveal samefags.and it would be less abuseable if the reveal only happens after a poster has been warned or banned for a post, so someone just trying to spam false reports over getting buthurt would be ignored.

>>51658 That in itself seems problematic (at least from my initial viewpoint, again haven't done a deep dive). It would encourage users to report people just because they suspect samefags even when the rules aren't clearly broken, and would therefore add to the amount of work Volunteers have to do.

>>51661 another thing that might make people feel better about IDs is refreshing them each day, so each 24 hours everyone gets a new ID going forward in a thread, another idea pulled from 2chan

>>51651 >newfag I fully admit to being a 4chan rapefugee >retarded We prefer the term *regarded >the boards were already active When I got here, there were still threads in the catalog that were 5 years old, and almost none of the currently airing anime had their own threads, much less a weekly episode discussion thread. So, no. It was not "active."

>>51649 I wouldn't be surprised if the reports of "off-topic meta" became common with that tool. >>51651 Source? because the number of posts has been "stable" since the 17. Both globally and for this board. The only thing that decreased is the bans but the closed reports increased as % of the total reports. The reporting rate is about 4% - 5%.

Is it really that wrong to have 1 thread dedicated to shitposting? Seriously asking taking in count this entire situation is based of a single thread because I have yet to see any of this shitpoting people are talking about anywhere, though I would first question why were all these people in the dragon ball thread to begin with, do they really want to discuss Dragon Ball that badly? Surely there was an easier solution here.

>>51743 >I have yet to see any of this shitpoting people are talking about anywhere That in itself is a problem. It means you lack discernment.

>>51743 >1 thread Motte-and-bailey again? You still have 2 previous meta threads showing the reactions against the simple mention of "josei". If there's an popular anime that checks any of these: >josei, shoujo >LN adaptation, isekai >Plot based on korea, china >written by a woman You'll end with threads flooded in low quality posts containing only insults, buzzwords that have lost its meaning (mary sue), etc. Using DB generals as an excuse against shiposting is disingenuous.

>>51634 there is a discussion about this on >>>/site/11341 but it likely needs to be user created

>>51743 If it truly is about shitposting for the fun of it and nothing else, then they'll be happy in the board they made. There's no reason for them to be here.

>>51045 Oh so it's this setting, how does it decide which threads are shit?

>>51819 Where do you find that?

>>51819 it tells you in the settings >less than 100 characters in OP >less than 100 replies >uses banished terms

>>51709 The id timer thing is something already on the list of things to implement

>>51709 >>51843 Yuck

>>51829 defaults on this are retardedly zealous for the traffic we have so i just turned the whole feature off

Hey /a/, would do you think of the new font? Like it?

>>51829 bros.. how do you make it so that the image won't break when using fullchan-x mascot feature....

>>51935 nvm i just found out how, you just need to upload the image of the mascot you want and link to it

>>51906 it's nice but i use yotsuba purple in these trying times as a refugeenigger

Seeing this banner made me realize Yotsuba isn't sacred here, or is she?

>>52021 Do you even understand why 四つ-ba was the mascot of 4-chan? Or that this isn't 4chan?

>>52034 Yotsuba means 4 leaves etc etc

>>51906 I like it, but I feel the line height is just slightly too large. If I used it I would drop it by 1-2px.

>>52039 Yes, and how many chans are (were) in 4chan?

>>52046 DO NOT LEW..w...d.... Oh wait this is infinitychan not 4chan

https://www.4chan.org/ It's happening!

>>52216 RIP 8moe

>>51561 It was a hypothetical, baka.

ID hoppers are annoying

>>47367 >With regards to IDs, I'm aware the solution we currently have is not perfect. I think the custom solution my volunteer came up with is interesting. Its difficult if not impossible to please everyone but it was an earnest attempt to do so. I'm still willing to hear feedback on it, please do so articulately and calmly because sperging out helps no one and tempts bad decisions. How about no. Every time I criticise it, I get jumpedobearn by the team you enrolled. You're only pretending to 'listen to the masses'. The decision to implement IDs has been already set in stone - your declaration of 'getting feedback' on the issue is just window-dressing. Enjoy your dead board, cause I'm not coming back here.

>>52269 You wouldn't be annoyed if they were anonymous.

>>52269 have you tried using the board css?

>>52297 >cause I'm not coming back here See you in 5min. Can't wait for your next spergout about IDs

>>52335 >See you in 5min. >He doesn't know Gonna be real funny watching you have your "high quality discussion" with only tumbleweeds to keep you company, wondering where everyone went. Don't look at the news now lil bro but this place is gonna clear out quick. Enjoy your forum

>>52353 Oh, it took you 10min instead of 5 actually, sorry for underestimating you

>>52297 Why are Ajin fans always complete underage z-sama tards? It's strange you think your presence here is desirable.

>>52426 >z-sama of all the word filters to keep, board owner thought this was a good one

Hello I am from /csm/ and let me tell you IDs have killed thread menheras and their spam and samefagging outright, so IDs can definitely be a force for good. menherabaiting is of course a popular sport when the manga is on break, but oh well, we'll post something else. Oh and apologies if our janny has steppedobearn anyone's toes, he's a very special boy who misses his very special tard wrangler.

>>52442 >steppedobearn >stepped-on >steppedobearn >the word filter doesn't distinguish spaces(?)

>>52448 the word filter here doesn't support regex.

>>52307 that's obvious, since we wouldn't be able to notice them

>>52451 F. >>52456 what

>>52448 It doesn't, if you post something like s-c-h-i-z-o (replace the dashes with spaces) you still get menhera. The word filter is absolute garbage and doesn't even support regular expressions.

>>52461 what's confusing?

>>52466 >we wouldn't be able to see them >what's confusing? Firstly, keep in mind that I'm not inside your head. If you reference something, I don't know what you're referencing, which is what "them" is, a reference. So. We wouldn't be able to see what? The spaces? The spaces that we see in every sentence? Thespacesthatwithoutwhichallsentenceslooklikethis? If not the spaces then what, the word itself? I have no idea what what you were trying to say. Hence "what". Granted it would have been more technically correct for me post "reword that' rather than "what", but whatever.

>>52470 >ID hoppers are annoying >You wouldn't be annoyed if they were anonymous. >that's obvious, since we wouldn't be able to notice them >what

Latinx and SEAmonkeys ruined 4/a/ don’t let them ruin this one.

>>52476 Ah, I see. I'm the retard here. I got two yous and assumed they were both for the same post. So I thought the "wouldn't be able to notice them" was for the post about the word filter / regex. Now for the rest of the meta thread this will haunt me. REMOVE IDs NOW ;-;

>>52492 Just reset your router, no need to stress about it

>>52512 This Or use a VPN/tor

>>50001 What website are you on? Cause it's not 8chan.moe.

>>52541 did you try 8chan.se

>>52541 For me it's only available outside of a thread

>>52512 Static IP. >>52513 >Just use a VPN to post on the imageboard You understand why this is discouraging at least no? Besides I don't know of any reliable free VPNs. TOR is way too slow.

>>52641 It's just another option You're better off resetting the router

>>52549 Probably ended up outside a thread and could see it not because of the domain >>52626 This works for me

id hoppers are anikis ngl. they shit all over the thread, making it hard to clean up

>>52779 i still miss him

>>52804 You're gonna make me cry, Anon...

Look what I found on the /animu/ meta thread. The BO fell for a shill campaign by dishonest and paranoid ID fags. Maybe even just a single fag.

>>52815 You can't read shit, better screenshot.

>>50436 No, they were deleted from the meta thread some time after the wipe. >>50529 >it's possible that the person you're arguing with isn't discussing in good faith The difference is that the dishonest, VPN hopping pro ID shill convinced you. >>50551 The /a/ activity would be about the same if the board stayed without IDs, with a reversed situation of the pro ID shill trying to make /aids/. Except we're talking about IDs all the time now and I "doxed" his non-existent sleep schedule. >>51634 >no developers to implement this >>52021 Is 8chan a frogposter site?

>>52896 >Is 8chan a frogposter site? I don't think it's anymore fair to say that than 4chan was. /r9k/ and /pol/ used them but /a/ didn't.

So is there just no /a/rchive? archive site seems to have no /a/

>>52896 >>52957 >Is 8chan a frogposter site? 8chan was a gamergoober and poltard site, but 8moe was the weeb portion of that excised from 8chan, so it's odd that they're keeping the culture from the old 8chan, which was just "I hate 4chan" at first, and then just /pol/ when this split happened.

>>52815 >Look what I found on the /animu/ meta thread. I went over there and didn't find the post in your image anywhere

>>49610 Why did you delete my thread nigger? Rulecuckery?

>4cuck janny had to take it upon himself to volunteer here and censor free speech You people are pathetic

Look up the logs the nigger named justwannahelp is on a banning spree. Keep waging and for free!

And to the jewlover Mark, all those cucks you’re letting in, will flock back to their safe space when it’s up again, the only thing you have going for this site is free speech.

>>53057 Now I want 4chan back just to laugh at Mark for wasting this chance by bending to trannies.

>all this retarded spam by 1pbtids Why would anyone in their right mind give in to anti-IDfags' demands? How naive do you have to be to think these "people" will be positive contributors to the board if they get what they want?

>>53128 If these are your threads: >Ranma thread. we hate niggers here. >So we can finally say nigger in /a/? Also Kusuriya thread They were deleted for being low quality/off-topic. If you wanted to make a thread about Eyeshield 21 with a thread OP like >I thought Sena's rivalry with that nigger Panther was pretty good, but the "muh racism" subplot in the American team was a bit overplayed. I wonder who actually won the game at the very end though, Sena or the nigger? That would probably be fine. Here you just mentioned niggers for literally no reason which is a sign to other people in the thread that low-quality/off-topic posting is okay, and more importantly signals to people who see the thread that making lower and lower quality thread OPs is okay. Quality is especially important for thread OPs.

>>53169 You completely ignored all the threads I listed which are -off topic -low quality -could be considered duplicates since the topic is the same It’s quite clear that you’re selective in enforcing the rules. That’s what I wanted prove, good luck, nigger.

If the last week has taught me anything, it's that 4chan has all those anti-spam measures for a reason. That 15 minute post timer for new IPs was great, I hope it never goes away.

>>53100 >be pro ID fag >make several VPN posts to false flag anti ID fags That argument goes both ways (1pbtid) baka. >>53128 The last one is standard anime themed roll-call, it's not off topic at all. You're reaching.

>>53192 This is what goes through my mind when evaluating a thread. 1. There's a big difference between a thread that already has hundreds of posts and a thread that was just created. 2. halfchan going down is a big event and a couple threads to funpost is probably okay. In accordance with 1. however, I'm against letting new threads like those go up. 3. The ghost in the shell one at least has an OP where it's styled like a character from the anime stating something relatively in-character.

>>53215 Because 4chan was more popular. Alot of these 8chan rules work because its smaller. Now imagine 8chan with the volume of posts and users and troll the 4chan had. The no time limit, even with ID's, would kill every popular thread, and the NSFW being allowed work ruin most discussions. Both sites are (somewhat) fine as they are when considering popularity of their anime boards.

>>53257 4ch got to where it was because moot started neglecting it at the end of his run and hiro never cared. When moot and the mods cared about the site, it was a manageable shitpile. Ideally, 8moe, and particularly 8/a/, never becomes a shitpile in the first place.

>>53215 Except the 15 minute timer is irrelevant since samefags and menheras don't get banned on 4cuck and are free to shit up the threads as much as they want. >>53231 What argument? Pretending that "people" waging a war against measures that objectively and inarguablely make it harder to shit up threads are getting flaseflagged isn't an argument.

>>53257 The issue is that the quality of anonymous posters is somehow even lower than it was 20 years ago. Instead of dealing with annoying teenagers spamming until they get banned/need to go to school, we now have to deal with autistic third worlders spinning up botnets and VPN hopping all day every day since they don't have a job or a life outside of anonymous shitposting.

>>53215 >>53276 I'm not on any side here, but just pointing out that many, many people (one example you guys probably know is vidya butts) have been easily skipping the 15 minute post timer using sites designed to do so. Won't mention their names here, that's a bit off-topic.

>>53278 That a given though right? As anime (if we stay on anime) gets more popular in the west, the places to discuss it more openly appear, both new sites and forums, and sites that already exist being more comfortable with anime. Most reasonable people overtime moved to reddit/twitter/discord/threads/tv-forums+more where it's easier to say you like anime without the bad reaction it would've gotten before. Without a doubt some people went to /a/ to speak about some shows that would look awful if they had it attached to their public social media account

>>53007 Sorry. It was an /a/ post linked from /animu. >>>/animu/97 >>48721 >>>/m/2791 Want to bet that they will say the /m/ BO is an anti ID shill?

>>53215 It's not even a 15 minute timer on new IPs. As long as you can predict when you have to ban evade you will never run into the timer. At most, it inconveniences regular anons who would eat a ban every now and then for making some mod nigger mad.

>>53231 The pro ID shilling is almost a confirmed fact >>53349 Maybe they could use the argument that pro ID fags are too scared to post on a truly anonymous board and ran away out of fear.

>>53349 I would say this is irrelevant as I told the BO I wanted IDs before I saw many posts about the subject.

>>53349 >>53361 In addition, that doesn't really do anything to the argument because we know that members of both sides are using "underhanded" tactics, let's say.

>>53363 Are you even from 4/a/, or did you spend most of your time on niggerjew ID boards like /pol/ and /biz/? >>53366 >"underhanded" tactics Do you think I did? Like posting a graph derived from public ID information?

>>53268 >never becomes a shitpile in the first place It's already full of AIniggers, there's no hope for any site that coddles them

>>53363 >>53366 >same ID switching between BO and BV Wait, what is going on here?

>>53371 4/a/ was my homeboard >Do you think I did? Like posting a graph derived from public ID information? Nah I don't think that was "underhanded" per se, but in any case I'm not here to give public judgments on individuals

>>53380 see >>53370

>>53382 Just like this? I thought there can be only one BO. Is true BO even doing anything?

>>53389 I just asked him to give me temporary ownership. There can only be one BO.

>>53389 see >>47367

Edited CSS to temporarily have a notice about volunteering. Deleted some word filters that misfired. Will consider adding the ones I just deleted now back in when word filtering handles spaces properly.

On topic post.

>>53447 Report it.

>>53248 You can pretend all you want, but you still decide to call it halfchan. Your intentions are clear, you do not care about 4-chan or it's culture.

>>53460 I don't like how it has declined over time. I only started calling it that once I got here.

>>53450 The chainsawjanny (who autosaged the thread until he got bullied for it) has rejected 3 reports for that post already, so what's the point?

>>53467 >I don't like how it has declined over time It was perfect exactly how it was. I see that you are clearly biased.

>>53471 Okay, personally I think that post could use a warn, so I'll chat with him about it, volunteer-to-volunteer.

pick up my calls, jannie ♡

>>53473 I see that we disagree, and that's okay.

>>53467 And you forced IDs, even though claimed /a/ was your home board. Why would you do that even though /a/ didn't have IDs? It doesn't add up.

>>53485 Most of these questions have obvious answers so I won't answer every single one from now on, but the answer to >Why would you do that even though /a/ didn't have IDs? Is because I think modern 4/a/ should have IDs (EDIT) or that it's at least worth trialing there, but the old guard there don't want to change anything (except raise pass prices).

>>53492 Obviously you had experience with IDs. On which board?

>>53485 He clearly uses the "it's gotten worse over time" as an excuse to keep at least some anons here. The people who weren't fine with 4/a/ were not true 4channers anyway, probably mostly newfags.

>>53497 Everyone had issues with the state of 4chan and /a/. The question is only whether they found it intolerably bad, or were fine with their niche threads. I have never heard anyone on /a/ argue for IDs. Only some folks on so called /hap/ said site wide IDs would be an improvement.

I forgot to say this earlier, but the jannies seem to have the deleted the thread that explained that 4chan would be coming back soon. If you go on https://www.4chan.org/, you can see that it says "See you soon".

>>53495 I've been on dozens of boards over the years, including boards like /biz/ and /pol/ at times during big events (COVID, market crashes, etc). However I spent almost all of my time on /a/. Anyway, I hope that clears up your doubts.

>>52815 >>52817 >>53231 >>53361 >it's the pro-ID "shills" who are hopping IDs Lmao, is this the menhera we're doing now? You couldn't stand your ID hopping being so easily identified by the "(1)" by all your posts, so now you're just accusing the other side of everything you're guilty of? >>52896 >The /a/ activity would be about the same if the board stayed without IDs, Just to clear this up, but you *don't* understand the concept of something happening against expectations in spite of a supposed obstacle, correct? >with a reversed situation of the pro ID shill trying to make /aids/. Except we're talking about IDs all the time now and I "doxed" his non-existent sleep schedule. "the pro ID shill" "the shill" >>53495 >oh... so you like IDs...? just asking an "innocent" question, but.... which board convinced you that way, so I can ad hom you as a crossboarding /pol/tard scum once you admit to it! Get help.

>>53473 Nah, 4chan is definitely nowhere near what it used to be, and has become a lot less interesting/enjoyable to browse thanks to all the low-effort spam and shitposting.

>>53517 And the state of these boards made you believe IDs would improve any other board?

>>53514 It's not exactly an on topic thing now is it

>>53524 Also, testing

>>53524 >(1) Janny loving shills everywhere!

>>53524 Why not? It's very clearly on topic.

>>53523 Your argument isn't really valid because we aren't able to take IDs away from those boards and see if they would improve/stay the same/get worse. I will pick and choose what to reply to from now on because I have stuff to do, because the responses you'd get should be obvious if you think about it.

>>53534 Strictly speaking you're correct, but I asked you about your thought process. >board X has problems, and no IDs >board Y is a horrifying shithole, and has IDs >clearly, IDs must be a good idea This can't be your thought process, because it makes no sense. It's why I'm asking. Yes, strictly speaking the opposite argument is invalid too, because correlation doesn't mean causality. I understand that.

>>53530 Do you also post every time a new subreddit goes up?

>>53534 >Your argument isn't really valid >tfw the staff have only ever discussed arguments for ID's I don't think there is any hope. The staff are only pretending that ID's could eventually be removed. We all need to go to >>>/animu/ as fast as possible. We can still preserve our culture and anonymity.

>>53548 Sorry, but I don't think your post is very on topic.

>>53540 Is this a valid argument?

>>53544 You're correct that that wasn't my thought process. My thought process was that IDs could probably improve the board and so we turned them on.

>>53523 /biz/ was even the first board to have email verification I don't think that ids did anything there

>>53555 Then report me and get a tranny to it, I don't give a fuck, you can just go back to seething about IDs

>>53448 Yes. Making threads cyclic instead of just needing new threads means that you can't access the old posts anymore. >>53519 >You couldn't stand your ID hopping being so easily identified by the "(1)" by all your posts What kind of mental illness is this? You can see my ID has almost 20 posts in this thread. Your post was: >all this retarded spam by 1pbtids >Why would anyone in their right mind give in to anti-IDfags' demands? My post was: >single post IDs can be genuine or falseflag, it's almost like "the number of posts an ID has" is useless to focus on. Especially in your case when you called me a 1pbtid when I have ~20 so you're blind as well as dumb. >>53215 You may as well ask the mods to reinstate captcha.

>>53572 >Yes. Making threads cyclic instead of just needing new threads means that you can't access the old posts anymore. Yeah, but in certain threads I think that won't be such a huge issue. So far they seem to be okay with the idea in those threads.

>>53549 >>>/animu/ >>>/animu/ Go to >>>/animu/ if you think ID's (as well as other things) are bad.

>>53576 reminder, you wanted to link animu to the banner while you were still BV >>49919

>>53571 Done.

>>53594 We discussed it, but we came to the conclusion that since the banner is for sharing our "friends": >Reminder to check our friends out at /av/,/m/, /tg/, /jp/, /mahodou/, /wsj/, and /v/ It seems like /animu/ and /a2/ just want to be /a/ replacements and are showing hostility to /a/ in general, so they wouldn't fit in the banner.

>>53576 Well. You asked if any objected and I said yes, so that's all I can really say from my side. I enjoy occasionally going through old threads to save images I missed because I was busy with something else. [spoiler] >any objections >yes >yeah but they're okay with it >bruh. then why ask. [/spoiler] >>53600 Wanting to be 4/a/ replacement != wanting to be 8/a/ replacement. I would caution against taking a stance and declaring them hostile, it will set a bad precedent.

>>53613 Cyclic is a per-thread thing, just fyi. We plan to only apply it to a few threads for now and so far they seem open to trying it out. >I would caution against taking a stance and declaring them hostile I don't think we're taking any stance against them, it's just voicing how we've perceived their attitude.

>>53564 >My thought process was that IDs could probably improve the board and so we turned them on. And what was your thought process when there was immediate loud opposition, before any effects were even visible? You ignored the opposition, kept IDs on (instead of switching them off again and gauging the community opinion), and defended IDs hard. Why can't we get a proper justification why you keep a change that causes so much drama. >>53571 >(1) Very suspicious post! The BO from /m/ even confirmed that there were shills making pro ID posts on his board. Is justwannahelp not concerned that pro ID posting is orchestrated? >>53600 Disingenious spin against /animu/ and /a2/. Are you worried?

>>53600 any and all the hostility is a result of your actions

Are there any board wide rules here? If so, where can I find them? Global rules seem fine with the whole >All depictions of fictitious characters are 18+ years of age regardless of any contradicting textual description(s). Legal, fictional 2D or 3DCG artwork is not prohibited and is not to be conflated with pedophilia or any content banned under this rule. Thing

If I may ask here (and if BO/BV can answer), what happened to the Centuria thread? Did something happen for it to be deleted by the mod team or did the OP delete it?

>>53621 I don't think I can keep replying to you all day, but we have been listening to feedback from both sides. When we do something, or when we don't do something, it's because we thought it was the best decision. >>53628 To repeat myself, I don't think I can keep replying to everything, but that is unfortunate and I don't think we ever intended to directly cause any hostility. >>53633 Yeah, the link to Rules should be near the post form. >>53635 I'll take a look.

>>53635 I don't see anything that user did wrong on this board so either it was a system mistake or they did something on another board that got a global site wipe maybe? I restored the thread. I don't know why it was deleted.

>>53640 >we Who else? You're normally BV, now temporary and defacto BO, while real BO doesn't feel like managing a big board. Don't you think it's a bad idea to choose to not give an explanation for the most controversial change to 8/a/ ever, just because you don't have time? This will consume even more of your time, until 4chan is back.

>>53640 Ah, it's up there at the top post form which I assume no one would ever use other than for thread creation.

>>53514 >Meta thread about 4chan coming up? That's a nono. >Meta thread about 4chan being down that's still up? Hell yeah, keep it! This place will always only be "we hate 4chan :("

>>53621 >heh we will try to take down your shitty board and declare war against it! >but would you pwease... advertise us a bit... sir...

>>53640 >I don't think we ever intended to directly cause any hostility. even if you really didn't, it doesn't change the fact

>>53666 When did they ever declare war against you? Don't be so paranoid.

>>53649 >Don't you think it's a bad idea to choose to not give an explanation for the most controversial change to 8/a/ ever, just because you don't have time? I think I have explained my thoughts many times over the past few meta threads, but okay, I'll try to summarize my thoughts. However, I won't be getting into an in-depth argument at this point in time, I think anons have already hashed out lots of these points in detail over thousands of posts. Pros: +anons can filter by ID example use case: if someone is dumping like 50 images the anon doesn't care about example use case: if someone is posting off-topic content but the volunteers are not online +And so, it makes dealing with thread personalities easier.* +people who previously stirred up flamewars by posting with multiple personas and from all sides of the argument are easier to ignore, and slightly deterred (of course, excepting the most persistent people, but that doesn't matter because the volunteers are at least saved the effort of less persistent people) +there's a couple smaller ways this helps volunteers as well; one unexpected small benefit is when looking at someone's history, currently the thread number is not displayed in the list so having an ID lets you know which posts are from the same thread +Keeping track of a discussion and no impersonation. +For other threads without noise it just makes reading easier. +If there's any debate, or contrarian POV it can devolve into a endless goalpost moving, without ID it's meaningless to say "ok but lets return to the original point" because the usual reply would be leaving, "btw I wasn't that anon" Cons: +adding a feature allows people to start off-topic discussion about said feature +people can misinterpret (1) ids as a shitposter IP-hopping +people may feel shy about their posts not being congruent throughout a thread +It fucks with anonymity in long running threads. You're giving users more options to attack others based on their posting history, which, again, in slow threads will happen sooner or later. On something like on 4chan you most likely well just never run into this problem since most threads die in 1-2 days anyway. It just gives people more vectors to attack others which will then lead to more off topic shitposting and shitslinging. +intrusive +makes it easier to track users across multiple threads compared to when only images and text were available on desuarchive, etc. +it makes forming and shitposting about thread personalities easier.* +encourages self-censorship That's my understanding right now. I personally am prioritizing ease of moderation especially because we are understaffed so I think the pros currently outweigh the cons, but I am continuing to listen for feedback to add to the pros and cons list.

>>53628 >"we shitpost-bombed your board out of self defense, I swear!" lmao

>>53676 In like 10 threads they have been spamming their shitty boards.

>post defending IDs >(1) Every. Fucking. Time. >>53681 You're not aware of all of the contra arguments. You didn't answer my question anyway. I asked you why you stuck hard to IDs. Other new things like word filters were immediately reverted when at least some posters complained about them. >>53691 Why do you post like a newfag?

>>53681 What a skewed view holy shit.

>>53699 >You're not aware of all of the contra arguments. This is true, which is why I encourage people to make me aware of points I'm not aware of, as I stated in my post. >I asked you why you stuck hard to IDs I answered that I think the pros outweigh the cons and that I am prioritizing ease of moderation which is part of the pros. >Other new things like word filters were immediately reverted when at least some posters complained about them. You are making a common faulty assumption which I've seen quite a lot lately. You see events A, B and C and assume A caused B which then caused C. The Board Owner came back and saw my word filters, thought that some of them were excessive, and let me know, and took those ones away. Nothing was "immediately reverted" because of "some people" complaining.

>>53706 What exactly is skewed in his view anon Man anti id poojeets really are mentally ill, youve been mindbroken for a week by not being able to spam some dogshit

>>53706 I hope to continue educating myself about both sides of the debate and encourage you to share your points candidly.

>>53699 so true, new fags who've only been here for a few days don't get this site like us old fags who've been here for over 1 week.

>>53709 Hi BO i'm from >>>/mon/ Are You the new BO? I asked if we could be frens but that time there was only a vol, so what do you think? I can add you to board description

>>53709 >This is true, which is why I encourage people to make me aware of points I'm not aware of, as I stated in my post. All these multiple days of arguing (and not just me, I was missing some days partially or completely), and you're not even acknowledging all the cons. >>53717 This is corporate PR babble. >>53721 It's on you.

I think I see why 4fags jannies don't like meta-theads now

>>53724 I'm just doing a few things in his stead for a bit since a bunch of privileges are only held by the BO. I remember your post, let me forward it to the actual BO now. Would you also link to us from your board?

>>53706 >(2)

>>53727 >you're not even acknowledging all the cons Please post ones I missed in my list, and I'll acknowledge them. >This is corporate PR babble. Okay, well I'm not sure how else I could express that I want to educate myself about both sides of the debate and want people to speak honestly

>>53727 >All these multiple days of arguing (and not just me, I was missing some days partially or completely), and you're not even acknowledging all the cons. How about you do as the tempBO and make a bulleted list of the alleged cons, without going into much details obviously, to summarize the situation to the benefit of all not included in this particular squabble?

>>53712 >you're just a shitposter Everytime. How about the fact that this place is slow as shit? How about on top of being slow as shit, threads take FOREVER to 404? How about the fact that there are already people here that want others to filter an anons ID because they're a "troll" (which you already assumed I am for having a differing opinion fucking LOL)? This is literally just going to be a fucking forum and this is such an obvious point that you have to actively ignore it or have a skewed view and I KNOW for a fact that this isn't the first time this is being mentioned. >>53741 3 now you faggot, I just started posting in this thread after reading. But good job using that ID for what it's for!

>>53727 >and not just me <It's just him I don't know how you all haven't filtered this well poisoner yet. Whether he's just a shitposting retard, a glowfag intern forced to do it for free, an undergrad trying to run a social experiment for his senior thesis that requires unimpeded shitposting or whatever else, he's not worth engaging with.

When do we test things out instead of being stubborn?

>>53749 >3 now you faggot, I just started posting in this thread after reading. But good job using that ID for what it's for! It speaks to how many digits you have in your IQ that you think anyone believes you, lmao.

>>53770 Sorry, what's the post threshold to be a verified non-shitposter non-ID hopper? I can keep going.

>>53755 why do you think that everyone who disagrees with you is the same person?

>>53749 >threads take FOREVER to 404? That's because threads don't 404 per the current settings.

>>53779 Then that's even worse and further helps my point. You're making shitty little forums and look how the faggots in this very thread are going at me since I apparently haven't posted enough to be genuine (also because I don't conform to their opinion)

>>53777 You can redeem yourself by actively arguing in favor of IDs. Then I will believe you aren't an ID-hopping complainer.

>>53755 Your posting style is really easy to spot, samefagging VPN expert.

>>53737 Sure! >>>/mon/ will add your board so we link eachother!

>>53796 Okay, done!

>>53681 Another issue is that it stifles discussion and goes against general imageboard culture by fucking with anonymity in long running threads. You're giving users more options to attack others based on their posting history, which, again, in slow threads will happen sooner or later. On something like on 4chan you most likely well just never run into this problem since most threads die in 1-2 days anyway. On threads that can persist for weeks if not months, it sucks. It just gives people more vectors to attack others which will then lead to more off topic shitposting and shitslinging. I've seen proposals of "daily" IDs where they would chance once per day. That way the usual spammer can quickly be removed by any user and you won't have autistis looking over every single post you might have made in a long running thread.

>>53808 >it stifles discussion It's been several days now. So direct evidence where it has stifled discussions.

>>53812 >So Show*

>umm just ignore us doing exactly what you said we'd do Have I reached Official Poster™ status yet btw?

>>53681 >>53745 Just brainstormed. Please add missing items. Pros: + anons think they're safe from samefags (despite VPNs being very accessible) + janny says or thinks he has less work (he claims) + makes low level samefagging harder Cons: + intrusive, not as good as alternative less intrusive suggestions + unproven on other boards that had IDs for a long time + creates attention whores and thread personalities + easy to sidestep and makes high level samefagging even easier by making menhera's multiple personalities look more real + makes drive-by posts impossible because (1) posts are distrusted by default + causes more (instead of less) paranoia by people who shouldn't post on anonymous boards + goes against general imageboard culture, /a/ and the better 4chan boards never had IDs + makes it possible to easily track users (multi thread correlation possible) + anons are shy, don't want to get tracked, don't want to have to be careful about keeping a consistent persona + encourages self-censorship (confirmed psychological phenomena)

IDs don't really affect how I post and I don't think it really does much negatively or positively but man these pro id posters are the most deranged, paranoid,hostile fags on the board by far. Seriously just look at this thread and the last one. Please don't let anyone that participates in these threads become a volunteer.

>>53808 Yeah daily or weekly IDs could work when they're implemented maybe. I was counting what you just said under >+people may feel shy about their posts not being congruent throughout a thread But I'll amend that to make it more clear that people could be attacked based on their posting history.

>>53808 >I've seen proposals of "daily" IDs where they would chance once per day. That way the usual spammer can quickly be removed by any user and you won't have autistis looking over every single post you might have made in a long running thread I may personally agree with this but there's the issue of the "bumpfaggots" that start shit, low quality inflammatory threads, stay 1pbtID and then post after the thread start losing momentum to bump it up again. IDs would make my life more easy in filtering such threads right at the gate.

>>53816 >Have I reached Official Poster™ status yet btw? two more posts

>>53812 You can see this here whenever someone is attacked not on the basis of his posts but due to the fact that he has posted a lot. This creates friction and even more shitposts. If the ID system should persist it should be a bit more compartmentalized. By having an anon with 30-50 posts, you are giving any shitstirrer extra info for his shirring. Ah, you have so many posts, you are obsessed, blah blah, this creates more offtopic shit. Now assume this is a thread that was running for 5 days, people posted a lot over that time, so it's not even something much of an issue. But if you make the IDs more anonymous, say reset them every 12-24h, you remove this vector of attack and shitflingery from the system.

>>53812 >>53814 It's not possible to show this. Many users have joined since, and other users may have left the board or didn't stay because of IDs. They're not coming back for short experiments either. The current /a/ population is mostly fine with IDs. We aren't able to take IDs away from the board or get the anons who left back and see if it would improve/stay the same/get worse.

>>53851 >You can see this here whenever someone is attacked not on the basis of his posts but due to the fact that he has posted a lot. This is a meta thread where IDs themselves are the topic of discussion. Where in regular /a/ threads has IDs been shown to have stifled discussions? Post actual evidence, not conjecture.

>got a warning Fucking lol, hope you also warned your dickriders too. >>53846 Dang, can't wait for my posts to actually count.

>>53872 Is this why janny is so busy?

>>53835 + intrusive, not as good as alternative less intrusive suggestions okay added + unproven on other boards that had IDs for a long time you're saying it's unproven that they work, but it's also unproven that they don't work, so this doesn't really work as a point for either side + creates attention whores and thread personalities this was already an issue before IDs, IDs are added to make recognizing most of them easier + easy to sidestep and makes high level samefagging even easier by making menhera's multiple personalities look more real It's not really that easy to sidestep in a way that makes multiple personalities look real imo, you'd have to elaborate on this + makes drive-by posts impossible because (1) posts are distrusted by default Already have this in my list + causes more (instead of less) paranoia by people who shouldn't post on anonymous boards I don't get what you mean by this one + goes against general imageboard culture, /a/ and the better 4chan boards never had IDs I guess? Going against one facet of a particular culture doesn't seem to be a valid argument here though, we're trying to make things better. + makes it possible to easily track users (multi thread correlation possible) It's been possible since before IDs, but I get your point that it is easier now. + anons are shy, don't want to get tracked, don't want to have to be careful about keeping a consistent persona Already in my list + encourages self-censorship (confirmed psychological phenomena) already have this in the list

>>53788 Yeah, I'm inclined to change those settings too. Maybe people could use archive.ph to save the threads they care about before being bumped off.

>>53448 I like this idea, it's better than having an endless treadmill of new threads and worth a try since those thread in particular are just chat rooms anyways.

>>53845 Ideally the site should just have extra IDs for admin view. Like there's 208c7f:{781ef1,852aed} Where the first one is the meta ID and the other two are daily IDs. As a mod you should be able to switch for the "meta" ID for the sake of moderation. This solves that issue. But this would obviously require some more extensive code changes that are probably not implemented right now.

>>53698 Literally false.

>>53893 >you're saying it's unproven that they work, but it's also unproven that they don't work, so this doesn't really work as a point for either side Certainly it didn't leads to huge improvements. >this was already an issue before IDs, IDs are added to make recognizing most of them easier Add "It makes forming and shitposting about thread personalities easier." >It's not really that easy to sidestep in a way that makes multiple personalities look real imo, you'd have to elaborate on this Just look how many pro ID shitposts are (1)s or very low counts, but the pro ID faction don't see a problem with them, because they help their side. Glorious IDs at work. >+ causes more (instead of less) paranoia by people who shouldn't post on anonymous boards >I don't get what you mean by this one If you see samefags behind everything, you're probably too paranoid to be on an anonymous board. Anonymous posting is what 4chan made popular. If not we'd all be tripfagging now. >I guess? Yeah. >+ makes it possible to easily track users (multi thread correlation possible) >It's been possible since before IDs, but I get your point that it is easier now. It's very easy. You can get a posting hours graph with a single click. You can correlate posting graphs across threads. You have more data to feed to stylometric analysis. >+ anons are shy, don't want to get tracked, don't want to have to be careful about keeping a consistent persona >Already in my list But not as detailed. The consistent persona part should be a separate item. Posting on image boards is fun because you don't have to be careful of saying something that will get you called out later because someone didn't like another post you have in your local post history. >already have this in the list No. Do you even have a job? I really have to run now.

>>53893 >imo BO has definitely either never been on 4-chan or is simply a newfag

>53958 This guy is living proof that ID's don't help

>>53698 people who would go to such id-less boards are shitposters you won't want around here either anyway. you can filter those ids too if you don't like seeing it

>>53749 >How about the fact that this place is slow as shit? >Speed = quality You're the kind of tourist nigger that ruined 4chan

>>53893 >it's also unproven that they don't work 4/biz/ email verifivations are evidence of the contrary imo >this was already an issue before IDs ids have also added to this >I don't get what you mean by this one "every 1pbtid is the same person or not enough post by certain ids is the same person" type of shit only adds to the previous samefag accustions, this is behaviour seems to be present itt as well >we're trying to make things better. when will we test things out?

>>53972 >anon calls an anti-idfag a shitposter for the millionth time

>>53977 That isn't the point you retard

>spammer keeps spinning up vpns >this means we should do away with all security measures in place >this will somehow not result in worse spam afterwards, I promise

>>53997 >no i am... i am not a newfag i swear... or i might be but... thats not the point!!!

>>54011 What are you even on about, where did I mention being slow means it's a bad quality or fast is better? Certain things don't work on faster and slower boards, and in a place that's slow and threads don't even 404, IDs certainly don't. That's the point you actual retard.

>>53681 Keeping track of a discussion and no impersonation are huge upside too. Even if it's a bubble in the shitfest you don't have to waste mental energy and morale with posts that obviously don't care. Maybe a anon trying to enter in that bubble (example for a good discussion in a bad thread) is being ignored because he didn't catch the attention of those anons? he can post again without using obvious flame tactics. It's more a custom. And pure isolation would kill that bubble too. For other threads without noise it just makes reading easier.

>>53937 I can guess you are not going back to 4chan because it had multiple archives and enforced fingerprinting (server side)...

Board owner can you please ban all 3dpd netflix shit And all the fake anime that doesnt have Japanese creators

>>53937 >Certainly it didn't leads to huge improvements. There is no proof of this. >Add "It makes forming and shitposting about thread personalities easier." Okay, but I will also add that it makes identifying and dealing with thread personalities easier as well. >Just look how many pro ID shitposts are (1)s or very low counts, but the pro ID faction don't see a problem with them, because they help their side. Glorious IDs at work. The majority of those don't make multiple personalities look more real because the context in addition with (1)s is very telling. >If you see samefags behind everything, you're probably too paranoid to be on an anonymous board. Anonymous posting is what 4chan made popular. If not we'd all be tripfagging now. If there actually are samefags behind a lot of things, transparency is a good thing in my opinion. If that causes a side effect of people thinking samefags exist, well, that is because it is rooted in truth. >It's very easy. You can get a posting hours graph with a single click. You can correlate posting graphs across threads. You have more data to feed to stylometric analysis. Okay, well I have added it at any rate. >But not as detailed. The consistent persona part should be a separate item. I already mentioned congruency. >No. Okay, you're right. I'll add the self-censorship point.

>>54058 When anons say they want anonymity they don't mean from the staff or from glowniggers, they mean from the other users so they can spam or pretend to be multiple people in a thread without being called a samefag.

>>53984 >4/biz/ email verifivations are evidence of the contrary imo How so? >ids have also added to this I've added the thread personality-relevant points to the list in both the pros and cons section >"every 1pbtid is the same person or not enough post by certain ids is the same person" type of shit only adds to the previous samefag accustions, this is behaviour seems to be present itt as well How does that differ from things already in the list? >when will we test things out? What do you mean?

At this point i'd say turn IDs back off for a day or two just to prove if shitposting goes up or not, as if 4/a/, /ghost/ or the /vyt/ screencap wasn't proof enough.

>>54049 Thanks for the banan. added to the pros and cons list.

>>54076 You should never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. Also, the people engaging with the SL thread are incredibly dumb in my opinion. Let it wallow in low effort 1pbtid like the Kakegurui thread.

>>54049 >no impersonation are huge upside too people tend to think all the (1)+anti-ID is by one person and all the (1)+pro-ID is by one other person though. that it can't be multiple people under each category

>>54049 I don't really get the bubble point super well though. If you want to, maybe you could reword it a bit.

>>54128 Any first poster can keep posting, you know? >Maybe a anon trying to enter in that bubble (example for a good discussion in a bad thread) is being ignored because he didn't catch the attention of those anons? he can post again without using obvious flame tactics. It's more a custom. Did you even read my post?

>>54116 At this point the argument has devolved in pure menheraid deconstruction, i'm sure there will be anti-ID anons ready to say that any spike in samefagging and shitposting with ID disabled would be artificial. Not that i'm against the experiment, it's just that we're beyond a point of honest agreement from both sides.

>>54076 We were discussing this and we think having 1 thread is probably okay. We'll monitor the situation. Thank you.

>>54049 >>54118 I have this strong feeling that defacto BO and the many new IPs arguing pro IDs are the same fucking person. Even if not, they're trusting the new IP just fine, because they agree with their own point. Samefaggers don't even need to build a personality to steer the public opinion one way, as long as the trusted ID agrees with them and accepts their input like it's natural. It's all a single self-professed /pol/nigger. Fuck, this is like a big psyop. It's like the xzutils hack. A long time owner gets "help" by a totally not suspicious eager new literally who, who's actually someone with insidious takeover plans and succeeds because the BO is tired.

>>54141 Yeah, I think this is true to be honest. >>54150 I think such people are on both sides right now so it's a moot point. I don't want to point fingers though.

>>54159 You didn't deny anything. You implied I'm one of the samefaggers, even though you have the means to confirm that I'm not. Disingenious samefagging nigger.

Want to bet that there will be either a sub-5 posts ID or a top poster ID will accuse me of being menhera or paranoid?

>>54111 >How so? ids didn't remove what plagued them >What do you mean? you aren't testing things and only seem to argue against the suggestions to test things

>>54116 IDs will for sure stop low effort shitposting. You know what else will? Banning VPNs, forcing names, forcing registrations, etc. The issue with IDs is the potential to stiffle pure anonymous discussion and imageboard culture. Having any sort of identifier is horrible and as I explained earlier, this is a slow site and threads don't 404, so you're basically having everyone have a name ala a forum. You know what the best option is, ESPECIALLY with a slower board like this? Having fucking mods and jannies do their jobs which is also the big problem in 4ch, how the hell is this so hard to understand? Especially here where there's no need to make "the job easier" for jannies, they just need to do their god damn jobs. If you want a forum, then make a fucking forum, don't act like this is good for imageboards at all. Anonymity with shitposters and jannies doing their jobs > forcing IDs and people to conform >>54159 Are you even going to do anything? So far you've just been defending IDs and making excuses to counterpoints against them. If this is just a show to show you "care" just outright state that you won't get rid of it so we can be done with this shit. How is every single imageboard staff so fucking stupid, no matter the place. It's like a curse.

>>54131 Some posts create its own thread of post, for example discussing the past of a character. If there's any debate, or contrarian POV it can devolve into a endless goalpost moving, without ID it's meaningless to say "ok but lets return to the original point" because the usual reply would be leaving, "btw I wan't that anon" (without saying "not him"). If it's a debate with more polemic then there's always an opportunistic anon posting a flaming post and worsening the morale/commitment of other people engaging in that (sub)thread of posts And the simple fact that a derailing discussion can have too much effort-posting to delete it but others would want to hide it because it's already its own thread.

>>54177 >(without saying "not him"). and without having said "not him" beforehand*

>>54175 I'm neutral on IDs but >IDs will for sure stop low effort shitposting. You know what else will? Banning VPNs, forcing names, forcing registrations, etc. Slippery kusoe.

>>54161 >the means to confirm that I'm not. I don't think I have the means to do that. >You didn't deny anything I'm not samefagging. >>54164 how does >ids didn't remove what plagued them relate to >4/biz/ email verifivations are evidence of the contrary imo ? >you aren't testing things We've already seen the board without IDs, and now we're seeing it with IDs, and I think the experiment is a success so far because from a moderation standpoint things are looking better. If I turned off IDs, how would you judge that turning off IDs is better for the board? How would you control for the variables? If the board got better, how would you identify if that's due to turning IDs off or due to continued good moderation practices guiding users to post better? >>54175 >Especially here where there's no need to make "the job easier" for jannies I disagree. >Are you even going to do anything? What would you like me to do? Turn off the IDs? Then please answer my questions above. Report count is not a good indicator of ease of moderation by the way. People don't report enough here, and a significant part of my work is going through threads of my own volition.

>>54177 Okay I think I get you're point, I'll add the >If there's any debate, or contrarian POV it can devolve into a endless goalpost moving, without ID it's meaningless to say "ok but lets return to the original point" because the usual reply would be leaving, "btw I wan't that anon" (without saying "not him"). Part as I think that expresses your point clearly, right?

>>54193 >What would you like me to do? Outright state that you're proID, not going to turn them off, and stop wasting everyones time with this stupid bullshit instead of acting like you're taking suggestions just to try to make a counterpoint at every turn.

>>54134 >Any first poster can keep posting, you know? there are posters who keep resetting their IP as suggested because they value anonymity. having IDs now make it so that (1) are not trusted anyway just because they don't happen to agree

>>54203 Of course I'm pro ID, I'm the person who told the BO to add them. You're insisting I state things that are obvious as if they would amount to some kind of abject reveal about my character. >not going to turn them off I'm not going to state that because I'm not closing any doors. >stop wasting everyones time with this stupid bullshit It's everyone's choice whether they want to spend their time in this meta thread arguing about IDs.

>>54205 or if the believe their post should stand on their own and not be discredited on basis of a fumble in the prior post

>>54206 So you're just wasting everyones time? Got it, thanks for clearing it up you fucking idiot. Retard staff no matter what imageboard, an incredible thing.

>>54222 I don't know how you got that out of my post, but I hope you can find a solution to your problem of having your time wasted.

>>54164 >ids didn't remove what plagued them <murder being against the law everywhere doesn't pervert murders from happening anywhere therefore we should legalize murder since the law clearly isn't working This whole "debate" is very simple. IDs make it harder to be an undesirable poster. No ifs ends or buts. It's an objectively true statement. The only legit argument you fags have is that more bad posting is actually desirable for reasons like muh board culture, etc, etc...

>>54205 Trying to engage in a multi-post debate is just feeding more data into the NSA machine anon, it's better if you limit yourself to one post per argument.

>>54229 Same reason why recreational drugs and guns being legalized are a mistake

>>54198 Yes. I prefer being ignored or called retard to muddy waters.

>>54193 >how does >>ids didn't remove what plagued them >relate to >>4/biz/ email verifivations are evidence of the contrary imo >? you said there's no proof of ids not working, and I pointed out that there is a case where they didn't, I cannot think any other reason for email verifications why did you say that ids are pemporary and we can test things if you have no intention of having them being temporary? whay else has been a lie?

>>54271 I still don't understand your point. How are /biz/ email verifications evidence that ids do not work? Explain your reasoning.

>>54256 so no actual counter argument that the "users who want to remain anonymous or care about past post or shyanons can just reset their IP" isnt actually a viable solution then?

>>54274 Last time I checked I did not need any email verification to post on /biz/. /biz/ was full of shills and shitcoin scams though, maybe that's what that anon refers to.

>>54274 >have ids >not helping, have to do something else

>>54289 Anon, your logic doesn't work. I encourage you to try thinking about your claims from other angles and challenging your own claims. If having measure A and then adding measure B means that A doesn't help and implies that A could be removed, Then A = captchas B = 15 min timer Since halfchan added a 15 min timer, that means captchas weren't working and they should get rid of captchas? If my house has a door and a lock and I got a security camera afterwards, does that mean I should leave my door open every night because getting a security camera means that doors and locks don't work so they should be removed? Please try to challenge your thinking more.

>>54281 >users who want to remain anonymous Server-side you aren't anonymous unless you're using a decent VPN/Tor. And for others you should worry more about the pics you're posting because 100% of doxxed I've seen were related to pics posted in IB and outside IBs, besides self-doxxing and hacking of the servers. > past post Each post is a fingerprint but you need to be particularly "unique" to be noticeable. Most samefags are so uninteresting that they have to force exactly the same meme or self-namedrop their "name" to exist. Can you show me the posts of >>53937 outside this thread?

>>54308 >halfchan Call it 4-chan, please.

>>54360 he won't, claiming that he used 4-chan was probably a lie as well

>4-chan >-

>>54360 >4-chan who?

>>52034 >>52046 Delete this nigger, not for Yotsuba posting but for pixiv posting AI shit. Which reminds me the disdain for AI isn't as tangible here owing to the lenience of anons. Tolerating them for the benefit of PPH is going to bite you in the ass. They are antithetical to OC. Even while it was protected on 4/a/ with sweeping user bans it was understood they were hated. This went for the GUP and PRC threads too.

>>54360 ⁴çhäñ

>banned for low quality post >just called someone a cuck for liking a used goods bitch Did I insult you BO or some BH? You have whole threads like gup or the precure or ai one full of low quality posts

>>54336 >past post the issue is people wanting a post to stand on its own in the context of the same thread rather than linked from another post in the same thread. the thread specific id prevents this. but resetting ip also makes it so such posters are already assumed disingenuous from the get go > anonymity i believe there are different levels to this. and it's one thing to be visible only to mods and anyone who hacked/subpoenaed the servers. some people are ok with the above but would rather not for any random user. it's a tradeoff that some people would rather be a (1) despite being visible to government agents. It is like why people avoid social media despite still using android on their phones, it doesn't have to be an all or nothing. i'm not advocating ids be switched off because of this. just people who try to compromise by constantly switching their ips get treated as samefagging in a discussion because they happen to share similar opinions to others who (1)

>>54395 they filtered the word 4-chan without the - to halfchan

>4chan might be back soon Dunno, but at this point I like this /a/ more. It's not perfect, sure, but despite IDs it's better than the old one. But even if I stay very few others will, and it will all die down. I honestly don't care about the non-otaku boards.

>>54535 >I like 8/a more >(1) Of course.

>>54521 > assumed disingenuous from the get go 1. you don't need a new IP, you can have multiple IDs at the same time, we aren't using 16bit computers that can't multi task. 2. if your single flaming post isn't effective then maybe you can't into baiting. And no, it isn't the post count that makes that kind of posts easier to ignore but the incapability of using the muddy waters in an active thread, ie that's just using the effort of others, the "morale" built by others to bait. You just have to think how to stand on your own.