>>297845
>None of these are standards the average man has
If you seek fairness between men and women's duties, you are naive. The whole world can only work properly by man dominating and women serving. Wanting men to be subjected to the same treatment as women is pure stupidity.
In short: it is ok for men to demand anything, it is not ok for women to demand anything.
When you say:
>"but men are also..."
you automatically lost. Men should always be in charge and always demanding anything from women, who should always obey. and that includes the average man, even if not respectable, demanding respectable women and that being allowed in a society. Why? Because otherwise, men will simply move away. No rewards = no work provided. It is not a matter if the average man deserves it or not. He wants it, so he must have it, otherwise he won't contribute to society. And each man checking out is a immense loss.
Just try to maintain a society with only a few respectable men, a lot of women, and none of the average men. Said society would destroy itself in a matter of months.
Men must always be above women. Wanting equal treatment for both is insanity.
>>297878
Again, MGTOWs are 100% right about women
>>297914
>Women have to be aggressively awful to be lonely.
All women are. Some just hide it for a longer time than others.
>>297917
You are misguided in thinking that there is such thing as a good girl. That is the whole point. There isn't such a thing.
>>297919
> they think that "moving away from a gynocentric society" will solve most of their issues
Nobody is moving away to "solve" anything. We move away so we won't have any burden that gives us work without rewards.
You want to fix something, you go fix it. Many, though, just want to live without the burdens, or live only for rewards. Modern society does not reward men, and it is not our duty to fix that. We can simply quit, move away, and live a good life without any burden.
> I don't see an issue with women wanting to work so they can support themselves financially
That makes them independent from men, which is bad for men and society. Independent women won't need men as providers, leaving those women free to whore themselves to any man just for pleasure, instead of being forced to be loyal to one man for survival, which is the right way to keep society afloat.
Again, you seem to think that women are somehow equal to men, instead of what they are: a resource.
If you want society to work, you must dominate women and repress their nature. And never treat them as equals, but as inferior beings, which they are. If you don't want that, then society will collapse. If that collapse is what you want, then go for it. But demanding both (treating women as anything more than resources to be exploited by men AND wanting society to still work) is insanity.