russia has gotten shooting themselves in the foot down to an art. I'm an ancap but from all the libertarians (especially Americans) seem to have blinders on whenever talking about foreign policy. These are nation states people, not John the farmer protecting his property. The US Empire is the hegemon, and that hegemony is well worth tearing down. At the same time it doesn't mean that defending putin's actions get you any further to that goal. He's a warmonger and a criminal and should be put down along with his kleptocratic cronies. He invaded Ukraine while Ukraine was trying to duck out of being in a Russian sphere of influence to a western one, this is a nation which suffered behind the iron curtain, had the Russians try and exterminate them and now they are attempting to induce some form of liberalism into their society and all libertarians can do is scream at the US government for the war. It's no mystery why the libertarian party gets shat on with those hot pro-putin takes.

>>5513 since opening the thread the situation has not improved, it got worse. I've completely lost any respect for libertarians, and it's sad because I liked them a lot. I didn't always agree with everything and sometimes I even noticed mistakes, but I can accept that people aren't perfect and also they don't have to agree with me for me to like them. But this russian stuff shows that they are bad actors in bad faith. For example a recent podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNqbBO7KmX0 Scott Horton is still going on about how Bush promised not to expand NATO. Except that promises don't count for shit in international relations, and politicians know, and also the fact that he made that promise is probably not even true (just search for something like "did bush promised not to expan NATO"). It's impossible for Scott Horton not to know this, and yet he keeps repeating this stuff about "Bush promised!", knowing well that he can induce people into hating US more because normal people value promises a lot. Wicked. This may seem like a minor thing, but it's just the most recent example to add to their constant repeating of half-truths and things from the russian point of view. I really wish we could find a way to let people know what a bunch of liars and grifters they are. They betray Liberty by lying for China and Russia. They betray the memory of Mises by using his sacred name for their disgusting scheming in favor of communist governments.

Wow. Americans think legalized drugs means drug use is mandated.

>>3256 Capitalism, communism and fascism are all viable when you have a moral population. Authoritarianism is no guarantee of anything. Right now we already have fascism, it's just run by degenerates.

>>3223 >I can't tell you how many normalfags I know who think "libertarianism" is just another word for "centrism". Normies think it means socially liberal and fiscally conservative. That's why NatSocs think all libertarians are just degenerate hedonists, despite John Locke being a literal Puritan

>>3155 >But how about the way we get there? Anon literally showed you a picture of how to get there, retard.

>>1272
I'd explain it as although left-wing memes are of lower quality if not outright garbage, they tend to get more exposure due to media gatekeeping, censorship and influencers. "Late-stage capitalism" is such an example you'll see around, as well as the whole Russiagate delusion (not a fan of Trump but it's obvious that it's a diversionary tactic away from actually good conspiracy theories). You could argue that "climate change" is another example and is probably the epitome of a forced meme as people are told it's an existential threat. As memes are based on exposure forcing a meme on a wide enough scale, as long as it isn't too painfully obvious, can work. The effect is a chain reaction of opinion as the ignorant will parrot what seems relevant (example is apolitical British/European Youtubers making jokes about Brexit) and this does have a subliminal psychological effect on people who hear it a number of times.

Also, if the Left cannot create its own memes then it will co-opt successful memes. Hence the now-disparaged "Ok Boomer" meme, although originating from 4Chan, taking off after Soph's video, and originally criticizing mass immigration and neo-conservatism, is now used by leftists to shut down opposition to their views, because apparently boomers didn't make left-wing standpoints mainstream. Ditto to a lesser extent for the "Doomer" meme, as on 4Chan-influenced cultures it is used to imply the impending dystopia multiculturalism and creeping socialism will bring us, but any "acceptable" source will describe it's about climate change and income inequality. I think people in power as well as leftists on the ground have realized that they cannot kill memes through outrage (see Pepe), so they're twisting the meanings to suit their own agenda. Par for the course, really.

Americans are so enslaved now that Americans scream rent would be $20 million per month if there was no rent control.

>>1274 We need more memes like that.

If the government can force you to buy insurance, what's to stop them from forcing you to buy snowblowers and boats, too?

Move forwards, post, make more threads, talk about things, respond in threads you can respond in. Anon there is never going to be a second 8chan /liberty/, it will never be exactly the same. But that doesn't mean this /liberty/ can't be just as good.

Americans scream toothpicks will never be outlawed because the price of building more prisons is too expensive, but did the costs of jails stop lawmakers from banning straws?

>>2193
Well you're a minarchist so that makes more sense than an anarchist georgist. How do you prevent this tax system from becoming abusive and how do you survey the value of the land? Is you land tax different than modern property taxes?

>>2193
>land wasn't made by anyone
Tell that to the Netherlands.

Americans think praising tyranny means that they will be safe from the police state, but no one is safe in a police state. Even dictators can be toppled. http://f2bbs.com/bbs

Rothbard roats Keynes:

There was a time when only murderers and thieves went to prison, but now everything is illegal and everyone is a criminal. Jailing killers and robbers with Christians, business people, and gun-owners doesn't make the unethical more moral. When everyone is criminal, society is weakened. Prison is just a university for crime that teaches you how to scam, bribe, look for loopholes, and game the system.

>>5402 >you have no rights speak for yourself. might is right. if you have no rights, its because you have no might. consider changing that.

>>5114 >north korea doesnt have taxes government agents confiscating 80% of your crop yields still counts as a tax in my book

The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards. The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.

>>2883
See >>2853

>>2883
I don't think /liberty/ has a site like bunkerchan if that's what you're referring to.

People once thought that more Americans would become Libertarians when the US became a police state, but now the opposite has happened. Instead of embracing freedom, Americans love tyranny more. Since the government has destroyed the economy, Americans accept welfare and think that the state is their protector. Once tyranny and brainwashing wins, people love their chains and will never love freedom again. You can be sure that some tears were real when Stalin died.

The elites are going all the way to weaken, distract, divide, and kill off the 99%. The ruling powers are using terrorism, recessions, protests, viruses, and wars to destroy the world. Would anyone be surprised if the globalists soon use a drone to bomb Topeka and then blame China to expand WWIII? The ruling class will then accuse patriots who find bomb fragments with "Made in the USA" stamped on them of being nutjobs. Billionaires may even use Hollywood special effects to stage UFO landings or the return of Jesus.

>>5427 state of AZ denied my CCW permit application due to an arrest on my record (case was dismissed), can I buy a fake one from you?

You know that you are in Hell when your wife is dying while your country is collapsing. You used to be able to work and study, but now you might find yourself spending time looking out the window counting people wearing masks and watching the Gestapo setting up roadblocks, installing surveillance cameras, and conducting door-to-door vaccinations.

Why should Americans go fight for freedom in Iran when Americans don't have freedom in the USA?

Americans either don't know or want to know that the US is collapsing or think that nothing can be done to save the USA. Any plans or ideas to slow or escape the decay are quickly shot down as unworkable. Instead of demanding that minimum wages be repealed or checkpoints be ended, Americans would rather beg for their chains by asking for more laws. Insanity. http://f2bbs.com/bbs

I mean 8ch.net I think

The left eat themselves. They literally destroyed themselves. This will always happen to the liberal left. join us here and enjoy the popcorn while witnessing yet more liberal left self consumption.

Americans scream that you cannot possibly have a society without high taxes, but why could the USA have a civilization and low taxes in 1920? Americans say that you cannot have morals without tyranny, but why could the US have morality and freedom in 1950?

>>5003 TIK is the greatest WW2 youtuber alongside Mark Felton, got ancapilled just by watching his banker wars vids

>>5375 Wish he would post more of them already.

You will never get the majority of people to support personal responsibility. The only viable revolutions are either Commie or NatSoc. Sorry but that's just the reality.

Americans must think out of the box. Patriots will not be allowed work, own property, shop, go to school, drive, have bank accounts, travel, see a doctor, get welfare, or start a business, but new societies and the free market will rise up to serve Libertarians. Agents will be used to provide food, fake documents, and housing. An underground railroad will be started to smuggle rebels around. The government will try to clamp down by requiring ration cards for everyone. The globalists don't care if they treat customers bad and Americans boycott companies because the elites get bailouts and subsidies. Kicking customers off websites, closing bank accounts, and banning customers doesn't matter to the ruling powers because the end game is to kill off the 99%.

>>4889 Yes, always remember the example set by the "Second Economy" of the Soviet Union. The USSR was the most oppressive state that had ever existed up until that point in history, but estimates say that still upwards of 15-20% of their economic activity as far as I recall took place outside of the government's purview. Despite people having next to nothing through official channels they were still able to trade and barter outside of them.

When the US was a free country, you might have thought that everyone loved freedom, peace, and a balanced budget. Now that the USA is a police state, Americans can easily see who are the slaves and patriots. Anyone who obeys the law is a traitor and anyone who resists is a rebel.

>>4984 >One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might. The millions of people already have the means to resist, the problem is they don't have the will. Most people don't want freedom, they want gentle masters. Related, niggers don't hate slavery, they just want non-White masters.

>>5410 >No one under 45 years old will ever know what freedom was You can know what something is without experiencing it personally. That's like saying "you don't know what rape is because you've never been raped"

Americans are just animals at this point. Money is no use in a police state and you have no choices. Only the mentally ill would say tyranny is better than freedom.