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Is common european identity possible? Anonymous 10/12/2021 (Tue) 22:33:20 Id: e2fe8f No. 12157
What will be the future of European Union in upcoming century?
>>30846 I hope the eu dies so we can cooperate on single topics with countries that want to cooperate and on other topics with other constellations. The corrupt bondage we have now is not healthy for us as you know but we need to work together in some fields nonetheless. Else every country for its own people.
>>30861 i bet this is how macedonians, athenians and corinthians talked until the romans came in and just btfo'd them because they were divided and infighting european countries is just that - a bunch of city states that are becoming more and more irrelevant >every country for its own people is how we end up with tiny countries genociding eachother and the UN can't do anything about it like israel and palestine or armenia and the azeris... every man for himself is how you end up with a nuclear war due to endless escalations, like what you are seeing threatened by russia against ukraine and the world we need to be not just cooperating opportunistically, but also depending and relying on one another. Because in realty we already do and might as well make it official the world is going squarely in the opposite direction however, like now if the ozone hole appeared we wouldn't be able to solve it like we did in the 70's and 80's
>>30885 So you would think a one world government would be a good solution to end all wars globally? The only thing that has ever worked was tribal bonds and shared culture. You think too abstract, the bigger the system the less controlled, the more corrupt. So you get a civil war instead of one country against another.
>>30902 if every country was united with their neighbors war would be nearly impossible (unless it's overseas and those are rare).That would be a good start - you don't need a world government to be united with your neighbors But in general, there needs to be a world government, yes - for some functions. We went from eradicating smallpox and other diseases to leaking bat viruses and starting world epidemics. from fixing the ozone layer to actively fighting climate change policies because 'it won't hit us too hard here who cares if millions die elsewhere and wars are started' - until india starts shooting sulfur aerosols into space to cool the climate >The only thing that has ever worked was tribal bonds and shared culture. >tribal bonds if the 'tribal bonds people' won in every country across the world, they'd annihilate the planet with nukes within 5 years fighting each other. WW2 but with nukes
>>30922 Tom e you read like plebbit cancer now. Uniting to not have wars? It would be the people controlled by a social credit system and a self announced got king council on top that does whatever. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolute. All needs to stay neat and tidy so leaders can hang if they stray from their path. The eu is already too big to assure such a control mechanism and now look where von der leyen brought us to. Remember how she bought a killer vaxx with our money and forced it upon us while loosing the treaty so we dont even know what deals se made? No giving people too much power is a road to disaster. Do it like the celts did and share a room for trade and let the good parts of your culture spread naturally. It worked great for such a long period of time. Afterwards there was only struggle and the fucking romans started it.
>>30846 There is a problem rising in Europe and they now beginning the pick the fruits of unhindered immigration and the green policies. Rotterdam for example is 80% immigrant and young muslims so imagine they start chimping out.
>>12157 With the US dismantling their own world order we need to focus even more on collective defense and economic cooperation. Even if the next administration is more pro transatlantic cooperation the trust is lost. While Russia is no threat to a united Europe, it is possible that they might divide and conquer by supporting useful idiots, so I hope we can be more forceful in rooting out those traitors. When the conflict between the US and China turns hot I hope we can stay out of it.
If a German dies do I mourn? Yes I do some extended kin has died. But do I mourn them as if they were a Brit? No, no I don't. They are not a life long love like lady Britannia... Sorry Fritz. The day when that happens will never come. Freedom of movement can get easier/better/faster/cheaper, but we will never completely intermingle as Germans and Brits living virtually on top of one another. People tend to spend most of their lives in the locale they're comfortable with. Most are not vagabonds. Having a Musk hypertube or hyperloop set up wouldn't really change it. In terms of how to avoid "no more brother wars" though I wish we had more monarchies, more ethnic and religious consciousness etc. We used to decide which European power would lead or have hand over second-rate European territories via careful monarchic or autocratic marriages. Which meant less cause to fight to decide these things. I wish we were so unified as to let our successes in holy wars against the heathens decide it. Therein exceptions would be made. Richard I was a Frenchie, but we mourn his loss as much him being one of our own.
>>12157 >Is common european identity possible No. Germany and its smaller border states (Austria, Czechia, Hungary) should form a political union. The EU is trash and needs to die
>>33312 >>30846 Those anons advocate for globohomo and bought into all pro-globohomo fallacies (if we all racemix together, there will be no wars), but they think that it is ok, because they first restrict it to a continent.
>>30846 >coordinated because it's geographically small This "geographically small" area had 33% of the world wide economy just a few decades ago, before the EU exited. The EU factually makes us weaker. Ever since it exists, we lose relevance. This is what you can verify in practice. While your theory of "if we racemix, we are stronger", got proven wrong again and again. >>30922 >if every country was united with their neighbors war would be nearly impossible (unless it's overseas and those are rare). If every country was united with their neighbors we would have no countries anymore, but a one-world-government. And oversea wars are the most common wars nowadays. 10% of the Korean population got brutally slaughtered by "the West" in an oversea war. They are the most subhuman wars, because the attacker is far away, doesn't have to fear retribution and doesn't feel any connection. >>30885 >every man for himself is how you end up with a nuclear war Wrong, you end up in nuclear war if you let vassals exist. A nuclear power isn't going to attack another nuclear power. But a nuclear power is definitely going to send its vassal into war against another nuclear power, because they don't give a single fuck whether or not that vassal exists.
>>12157 Nope, we're too different, and I don't want to lose my proud Norwegian identity. Also you're not getting our cod or oil. Fuck the EU. We can be close allies without becoming one nation. Also no more shitskin immigrants or leftist censorship pushed by the EU.
No, fuck the "union". Spain defeated the muslims to get conquered by faggots? We will not be part of any other greater country, Spain already was, is and will be Una Grande y Libre. Fuck off niggers.
>>12169 >If it had stayed a customs union/free trade zone, it'd have survived everything Correct, now the union wants to play politics and is identifying itself as a military block. It's amusing to watch them collectively dig their graves.
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Serious question: Why are south Italian so insecure about their non european ancestry? This retard claim that Italians have 0% near eastern ancestry and that they are whiter than Iberians and northern europeans. These people are insane. How are they any better than nordicists at this point?
What person?
>>42547 Every single Italian American seems mentally deranged
As an Italian American I can confirm. My father told me that Sicilians were niggers and spics, and real Italians were from (nice try data miners) like us. I spoke to another Italian woman who had the same attitude about me, because her ancestors were from slightly further north. Basically we all think that we're better than whoever isn't as close to the Alps as we are. I also don't think this is exclusive to Italians. Most northern cultures think less of cultures from southern, more hospitable climes; I assume for nothing more than the audacity of having it a little easier. That and we turned some of those places to penal colonies (also not a phenomena exclusive to Italy.)
>>12157 A common European identity is possible, but the current method of reaching it is backward and byzantine. The European Union should be a union of unions of unions in which leaders of these unions are elected by votes toward groups of parties (or even individuals) which have representation in the representative body of the nation and the unions. For example, a SD party could exist in Germany, a union between Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, a union between these same three states and a union of Sweden, Norway, Iceland, and Denmark, and the European Union as a whole. Over time, the lesser unions would be dissolved into large states until there's a greater federation. The EU should kick out the Irish (who may as well be British), the Turks, the Israelis, and, if necessary, the Slavs. It should also liquidate Greenland and overseas territories in the Americas to acquire capital for large infrastructure projects both at home and in Africa and buy all American military bases in Europe, including equipment. Any prevention of unification between Germany and Austria should be removed. Languages should be reconsidered to allow for a better understanding between union members until there are two-to-three different languages in the Union (Romance, Germanic, and, if Slavs are to ever be considered European, Slavic). At the highest legislative level, all representatives would be able to speak these languages. Britain should never be part of the EU. Not only is it culturally, geographically, historically, and linguistically incompatible, it has too many allegiances and interests across the world which would diminish the power of the EU. Instead, it should revisit the concept of the Imperial Federation but only for itself, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand while also reorganizing its internal political structure to be more equal to its distinct regions. This would primarily mean parliaments for England and a new Kingdom of Northumbria as well as cleaning up the autonomy of Northern Ireland and the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, and Falklands. Tentatively, this Federation and the United States would have a mutualistic relationship as equal partners and kick out Mexico from NAFTA.
>>44236 The Irish are not on the same level as the Israelis or Turks.
>>44243 The Irish are effectively British, and most of present Irish culture is a construction. They will always be a volatile force on par with the Slavs, but given their likeness to the British, they would be better off under the British instead of Europeans.
>>44244 I'm sympathetic to your argument from a purely cultural perspective, but at this point in time the British government is absolutely the most evil White genocide oriented of all European governments.
>>44244 Why do Americans constantly keep trying to fuse countries full of people who historically wanted independence from each other? Is it just Americans trying to make geography easier for themselves by reducing the total number of countries?
>>44236 My most out there theory is that the EU (and also NATO via its predecessor the Western Union) is a crypto-Lotharingian empire, trying to win the historic Franco-German contest by stealth as a third party.
>>44318 >Why do Americans constantly keep trying to fuse countries full of people who historically wanted independence from each other? Anon, >we don't. But you have a lot of idiots who see the American experiment and think that it's possible for cultures and nations to mix such as ours. However the problem with such a conclusion is that it fails to acknowledge that (1) even the Founding Fathers seriously argued the possibility of preventing Europeans from immigrating beause of how ideologically different they were from the American colonists, (2) the people who were here wanted to be here, and (3) America is setup in such a way that the states are effectively self-governing nations unto themselves (Which is something the EU doesn't do at all, as it makes the nations subservient to the Union).
I want to learn about the muslim situation in Europe. What are some important cases of violence I can look up?
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>>44335 French Teacher decapitated by a student for offending the warmongering rapist messiah of peace.
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>>44358 Just for this, I am drawing a picture of Muhammad.
>>44318 Ireland is almost completely dependent on Britain, and all modern Irish culture is a construction, like I wrote above. Historical boundaries don't matter that much when there are existential threats. Modern Rightist arguments for European unification have existed since the Identitarians.
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>>12157 when does the excitement start??
>>42547 Many in southern italy have northern african dna/genes (moroccan etc) so it's a bad look for them
>>44358 That actually surprised me for a moment. So these are the kind of people we're talking about
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>>12157 europe is getting ready to burn again
>>44511 >>44549 me not paying attention kek >>44549
>>44549 sounds like some kind of psyop, just like nazi germany was
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>>44629 LAROUCHIAN


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