Nope. It was supposed to be the tool by MAGA Republicans to purge the Federal bureaucracies of entrenched Democrat power. That’s the Project 2025 plan. Since the Courts shut down its authority it is being abandoned, but gradually. Project 2025 is nothing but a total route for the MAGA faction. Elon was used as a front / hatchet-man to take the heat — I wonder how many Republicans knew that P25 was going to fail and so happily let Musk be infront of it? Yes they lost in case you were curious why Elon isn’t constantly in the news anymore; the media put a check in the Win column over DOGE and shifted focus to the next thing.

>>36537 Not for AI. That data could be bundled up into a nice package and sold to private entities who wouldn't otherwise have the Top Secret clearance needed. Advertisers, enemies of the state (Russia already has it all), etc would be obvious buyers. Also >>36558 is correct. The stated goal in P2025 is to purge disenters in the government, to lock down any leaks and to give the Trump Admin the ability to bypass standard Federal security checks with the intent of replacing the Fed with syncophants.

>>36558 If DOGE is just about firing federal employees seen as disloyal, then why have they apparently been so adamant about gaining access to all kinds of federal databases? Maybe DOGE is about both

>>36580 Interested parties would presumably be able to buy analysis based on the data by paying for a service provided by xAI or some other Musk affiliated company

>>36589 That's my guess as well yeah. Conventional user data these days isn't worth shit because every major company has it. We've seen a real effort from malicious entities like Google and Amazon buying up medical companies for this exact reason. And what could possibly be better than just invading all the Federal Departments and taking everything? Tax information, medical records, birth certificates, everything. Nothing is sacred.

>>36583 They haven't even been firing people. Its all restructuring. Worse case someone gets transferred to a new job.

>>36589 What are you smoking, retard-kun? Even DOGE proudly admits that they've laid off hundreds of thousands of Federal employees.

>>36620 this was meant for >>36616

>>36620 DOGE is not just laying off people, they also seem to be trying to force unfettered access to just about every database the US federal government has, everywhere from the Social Security Administration to the National Labor Relations Board. The DOGE layoffs seem chaotic and not well thought through, hence why one could suspect they might be just a smokescreen and not DOGE's real goal

>>36622 Ah I didn't read this post before I replied to the previous one

>>36537 This is retarded. Musk already has TS clearance, and being super rich is lacking motivation to steal. Also he owns skylink and used to own paypal. If there was anything he wanted to steal he would have done it already.

>>36537 >Is DOGE just a cover for Elon Musk to steal all confidential data held by the US government and feed it to his AIs? Lol, no you stupid fucking retard. His just doing an audit on the goverment. Something that we should do as well here in Sweden because I have been working a government job and I know how much WASTE of tax money and FRAUD that exist. An audit is needed! >feed it to his AIs? X is already feeding the AI

>>36658 >TS clearance Which is not the highest clearance and even then does not give him unlimtied access to information HE DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW. Why are my fellow Americans so fucking stupid whenever Trump or Musk gets mentioned?

>>36662 Sorry Swede OP but you have a retarded Swede in your midst. Imagine weighing in on a convo and not even knowing the definition of an audit lol

>>36668 >Sorry Swede OP but you have a retarded Swede in your midst. Imagine weighing in on a convo and not even knowing the definition of an audit lol If you really believe his stealing information to feed some AI you are a fucking stupid kike glow nigger spreading fat fake information. It's an obvious audit and they are totally open what the fuck they are doing and the shit they find is exactly the same kind of shit and scams I have seen myself with my own eyes. Kill yourself, glownigger

>>36672 >If you really believe his stealing information to feed some AI you are a fucking stupid kike glow nigger spreading fat fake information. Read more faggot kek >t's an obvious audit and they are totally open what the fuck they are doing and the shit they find is exactly the same kind of shit and scams I have seen myself with my own eyes. Not only are you wrong but you aren't even American so you have no fucking idea what you're talking about or what kind of "shit" this "audit" is. Stop LARPing anon you're embarrassing yourself.

>>36662 It's a weird "audit". DOGE resists FOIA requests, is ambigious about who their actual leader is (Amy Gleason or Elon Musk?), and is secretive about who their employees are. Their employees whose identities been revealed are almost always Musk goons, and are not trained auditors. The conflicts of interest are so large they can be seen from space. The accounting practices for documenting their "savings" seem like they would make Enron blush with embarrassment. Meanwhile, all actual inspector generals and auditors are being fired left and right, all across the federal government, down to and including even the auditing committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. >I know how much WASTE of tax money and FRAUD that exist. I too know from personal experience that there certainly is. However, I don't think that bringing in people with no knowledge of government and massive conflicts of interest to shake things up and start shooting from the hip will bring much of an improvement to the situation >X is already feeding the AI The more data, the better. The USG has data that would be unavailable to xAI under normal circumstances

>>36658 >Musk already has TS clearance That doesn't mean he has access to all the confidential data of the USG. He needs a clearance for his SpaceX work >being super rich is lacking motivation to steal. On the contrary. You don't amass a $350B net worth unless you are the kind of person who is insatiably greedy and never thinks he has enough >If there was anything he wanted to steal he would have done it already. He didn't have access to these databases until now

>>36658 >having money mean a person won't steal Oh you sweat summer child

The reason why DOGE resorted to trying to get into databases was because the bureaucracies being audited are hostile and will not share information willingly. They are hostile because they know any information provided to DOGE will be used to do a purge of their key personnel. DOGE tried to get into the databases because they thought that would be easier to get rather then trying to make hostile organizations cooperate. The "stealing private data" narrative was put out via the media in an effort to fight back against the purge — telling the public the truth would be too complex and many people would take DOGE’s side so they went for the cartoon narrative of Elon trying to steal personal info. Both sides want to hide the true nature of the Project 2025 war. Anyway it ended up not really mattering. Project 2025 relied on shock and awe to QUICKLY wipe out entrenched Democrat power in the Federal government before a defense could be mustered and that was over when the lower Courts jumped into action blocking everything except the most obvious clear-cut use of executive power. When the Hands Off and public sector unions hit the streets it was game over for MAGA and DOGE was low-key abandoned.

The website is reddit(Please use archive.today). They love elon over there. go post and get answers.

>>36773 >the bureaucracies being audited are hostile and will not share information willingly While I'm no lawyer, my understanding is that agencies are mandated by laws, such as the Privacy Act, to protect that data. An AI company CEO and his goons are exactly the kind of people who should absolutely never get access to that data

>>36773 I haven't heard anything about this, so people are trying to claim Elon is trying to steal private data? The same guy who owns the 2nd biggest data mining company in the world behind meta. What data could he get that he doesn't already have?

>>36811 DOGE isn't interested in private data, they just want to know where the money is going, and Federal agencies and bureaucracies don't want to give up their grift so they resisted giving DOGE any information, so they had to go through the backdoor to uncover the fraud.

>>36838 The supposed "audit" to find "fraud" excuse seems like an obvious smokescreen. If there was actually supposed to be a real external audit of any database, then the following would apply: * The organization doing it would operate transparently, not refuse FOIA requests, be ambiguous about its leader and be secretive about its employees * The auditors would be trained auditors * The auditors would be people who don't have conflicts of interest * The databases would be accessed by different people from different organizations and kept apart as they are supposed to be, not all be accessed by the same organization * Congress would change the law accordingly * The audit would present its findings in a proper way, not put up a wall of BS on their website that makes Enron look good in comparison

>>36825 >What data could he get that he doesn't already have? The data that the government isn't allowed to make available to the public because of laws such as the Privacy Act. Many databases are only made available anonymized, summarized, or not at all. >The same guy who owns the 2nd biggest data mining company in the world behind meta. The fact that he's in the business of data is exactly why it is so reasonable to suspect that he wants to steal data. Just because he has a data mining company doesn't magically let him access the same data as, for example, the Internal Revenue Service, Securities Exchange Commission or Social Security Administration has raw access to

>>36838 We use dramatic terms like FRAUD and ABUSE, but ALL large bureaucratic systems of human beings are MOSTLY fraud and/or waste. That goes for large corporations too, in every industry / sector. Most white-collar employment is just for the grift of some executive or middle manager somewhere trying to get budget. Privately-owned corporations can avoid this to some degree but after a certain size it gets really hard to avoid no matter how it’s run. In particular governments are little more than giant free money troughs, and power is distributed in such a way that the only thing anyone can do is pour money into it. That’s why nothing ever seems to change for the better, everything only gets worse no matter who is elected. Trump tried to remove some of the trough and the system moved to protect itself. Since Elon was point man on that effort he got hit with the full brunt of the defensive campaign. Recall that there was literally firebombing of Tesla dealerships and nationwide vandalism against their cars. This is an actual war not just palace intrigue within the Federal government. Obviously, no one is ever going to admit that their entire department is a scam doing make-work, or doing things which only matter because of another department’s scamm, etc. Obviously they will hide the true nature of their work. Elon hoped he would get a PR coup by presenting the public with the list of all the funny useless things government employees are doing with that email stunt. He just didn’t realize how not-in-control the Executive is of the Federal government, and most employees just ignored him when their managers told them to sit tight. Maybe Elon’s perspective as an owner of private businesses messed with his perspective on this.

>>36850 Based Swede-kun, are you American by chance? You're way to knowledgeable about all this. You're putting my fellow Americans (and American LARPers) to shame here.

>>36825 >>36861 The NYT wrote an article listing many of the types of data that the USG stores on individuals. https://archive.ph/https://www.nytimes(Please use archive.today)/2025/04/09/us/politics/trump-musk-data-access.html You might argue that many of these pieces of information can be collected through social media, but data collected in such a way would be packed with missing values and thus of relatively low value In addition to data on invididuals, the USG also collects and stores data on corporations, contracts, transactions, and, of course, the USG itself

>>36867 >Trump tried to remove some of the trough and the system moved to protect itself. Trump *is* the system, again, retard-kun. He's been the leader of the Republican party for a decade now. Some of the things he's been cracking down this time around are his own policies the last time he was "the system".

>>36861 >The data that the government isn't allowed to make available to the public because of laws such as the Privacy Act. I understand why the government isn't allowed to share the information, but the privacy act covers personal information, PID we call it in the UK. The public themselves already share that freely - If not in public tweets then in private messages at least (I assume there's private messaging too, I've never used twitter). And if there's someone who's not on Twitter, their friends and family are and will be sharing that information anyway. I get your point about IRS data etc but don't get how that's particularly useful for training an AI. Would be useful blackmail material and for targeted advertising sure. Seems giving that info to an AI would actually be a liability seeing as how the AIs can be tricked into saying things it shouldn't. It would be very illegal for him to feed that info into the AI and at some point it'll rat him out by sharing something it shouldn't

>>36880 >>36885 I replied before reading your second post. That actually makes sense now.

>>36885 >Seems giving that info to an AI would actually be a liability seeing as how the AIs can be tricked into saying things it shouldn't. It would be very illegal for him to feed that info into the AI and at some point it'll rat him out by sharing something it shouldn't I don't think it'd go into an AI either. But let's not act like these guys give a shit about ethics, liability or anything to do with cybersecurity. Musk is one of "the" accelerationists after all. So what if he accidentally exposed every American's private information to Russia? Just trust the plan, bro.

>>36871 No, I'm not American, but I am what could be described as somewhat involved in the use of data. I read about DOGE and what's been happening with government databases in the US, found it very interesting, and decided to find out more. It's relatively easy for me to get information on what happens in the US because I can read the English language and because the US press doesn't march in lockstep with the US administration (although said press might not always be 100% reliable)

>>36537 not necessarily, but it is a cover-up. Periodic audits of the government is actually a good idea - keeps corruption out, makes the government actually more efficient. But DOGE is not an audit, and it never was. Have you seen even ONE actual report about how significant inefficiency was found, and how solutions were implemented to solve it? No. DOGE just seems to be firing employees, changing things around, relocating people, closing departments, etc. All before providing ANY evidence that the changes made will actually improve the government. Spoiler alert: They're not. The real aim of DOGE is complex, but in general, while this may sound counterintuitive, it's goal is to weaken the government. Why? Because the vaccum will be filled by corporations. Corporations, unlike governments, have a financial imperative to make you suffer. Think about it like this >gut the IRS, fire employees this does basically nothing for the average person beyond massively increasing response times. you still have to pay your taxes. But this makes it a lot easier for billionaires to cheat the system, and avoid paying their fair share. They control 50% of the wealth, but they pay far less than 50% of the taxes. >gut the national park service The national park service didn't need to be efficient. It wasn't designed to make money. It was designed to preserve nature, and it needs workers to do it. why gut it? so corporations can buy up federal land. >Gut the EPA while of course our water was already filled with various government control chemicals, the air and water around you being full of lead won't help. However, corporations would make more money if they were allowed to pollute you to death, so instead of removing useless or even harmful things like flouride, they just remove safety regulation. >gut research indirectly by defending research institutions simple: automation is stalled so workers can keep being exploited. additionally, this means most research will be private. this means that instead of new inventions massively beneficial to everyone (see: insulin), corporations now gatekeep them at high prices. This will start a new gilded age. Economic growth for the one percent, while the 99 percent live in polluted, crowded, decaying cities. The second goal of doge is to destroy the blue Jewish pedophile deep state... and replace It with the same thing, just red. Why would a billionaire who actively benefits from the deep state oppressing us seek to destroy it. "wokeism" was just a deep state ploy to distract the people from the fact that they are robbing you and exploiting you. Lastly, it's to make the government more corrupt. While the government ABSOLUTELY needs feds who are not loyal to the deep state or their own liberal ideology, filling it with mostly unqualified people loyal to one man entirely, who entirely share the same ideology, will just make the same thing happen. When ideology and loyalty are prioritized instead of merit, corruption occurs. Especially when those people are hired by corrupt billionaires specifically to serve their interests. These are things that niggers in Africa do: invite their own, lazy, retarded group of people to co-rule with them because they prize corruption over loyalty. The whole system was always designed to benefit the elite and hurt everyone else. Biden, trump, Bush, Obama, all of them. They are loyal to the 1%.

>>36894 It's not the ethics I would think he's concerned about, it's the jailtime. The legal system is still stuffed full of leftist activists, this would be handing them his own head on a plate. Plus I'd be far more concerned about my own government having access to my information than I would Russia or China or any other foreign country. Then again, my government is the British government so I probably have a lot more reason to be concerned than you lot do

>>36884 Republicans are almost entirely out of the system. Democrats basically rule society. Did you EVER wonder why Republicans aren’t in charge of ANY institution, large corporation, media studio, etc? Do you EVER wonder why all right-wing / pro-Republican personalities / influencers are pushing merchandise (unless they work for Fox News) and seem hooked up with foriegn oligarchs? Because the right wing is almost entirely driven out of mainstream society. I believe that happened after the corporate money dried up following the end of the climate change debate — then the NRA started running out of money, then poof, Republicans no longer had a spot in the "system", and so the only way they can operate is by latching on to alternative forms of income.

>>36902 well there is an example of an advanced, comprehensive surveillance state that uses AI to arrest people for social media posts and "pre-crime" (I'm not joking). Israel. Look into their surveillance of Palestinians. It's them now, but soon it will be you. Israeli surveillance in Palestine is basically all encompassing. Cameras are everywhere, litteraly everywhere. People have to pass through government checkpoints, where they can be detained or killed completely arbitrarily, for the smallest of offenses. Israeli authorities have all the data on every Palestinian, and use it to carry out attacks and remove "disruptive elements" what makes you a disruptive element? Anything that isn't lying down and taking it. Additionally, the Israelis use settlers to stratify Palestine. Palestinians live with little water, under constant threat of Israeli attacks for no reason, in makeshift refugee camps under 24/7 surveillance. Above them, often litteraly above them, are rich and developed Israeli settlements where rich settlers live, totally walled off and alienated from the ones who live below. The rich in the West look upon Israel with envy. Israel In it's current state is the new world order they want to enact everywhere else. Minorities exist as slaves to the elite and second class citizens, and have measures taken to suppress their fertility to maintain the Jewish stranglehold over the country.

>>36902 >jailtime You're missing another key point anon. Crime is legal now if you have the money. Just make a small donation of 5 million to Trump and get a Presidential pardon. All your problems can go away for 5 mil. That's a whopping 0.00001% of Musk's net worth.

>>36906 >Republicans are almost entirely out of the system. Democrats basically rule society. Did you EVER wonder why Republicans aren’t in charge of ANY institution, large corporation, media studio, etc? Trump IS a Republican. Republicans have the majority in the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. The entire Federal Government is essentially owned and operated by Republicans. Please stop LARPing as an armchair expert about shit you clearly don't understand. You're somehow making American Rightoids look smart.

>>36926 The fucking gall of you talking (making shit up) about Trump's pardons after what Biden did. The fucking GALL And before you start, I am no Trump fan. At all. Give your head a shake.

>>36938 >whataboutism Biden Please Britoid-anon spare me your charade, nobody gives a fuck about your paper thin "righteous indignation" act. Why does the truth about Trump upset you so much if you're not a Trumptoid at heart?

>>36926 >Crime is legal now if you have the money. >now Anon, that's how politics have always worked, you see this all throughout history.

>>36665 He is basically in charge of the US space operations since nasa is a failure nowadays, he owns so many satellites and starlink, he isnt some random hobo of the streets he already has the hgihest clearance you can get, also uts impossible to do an actual audit of the federal govt and everything it oversees without getting this information, because you need to cross reference so many different things that missing them could easily result in an ineffectual and impotent audit. Ultimately it is histrionics surrounding the doge stuff with hyperbole and insinuations about hin just being evil and stealing stuff, irregardless of the actual work being done or attempted

>>36945 >truth You're a fucking joke mate

>>36695 You dont need a trained "auditor" you need people that can parse information in this massively bloated organization referred to as the federal govt, then take that information and cross reference it with some much other bullshit that it can only realistically be done by a computer due to the sheer amount of information, and the whole who is leading it is an irrelevant question that serves no ourpose ither than try to undermine what doge is doing. These retarded complaints also undermine any actual criticism of doge such as how their recommendations are sometimes bad but that can also be attributed to the speed with which they need to operate and can overrall be less of an issue so long as issues are identified and promptly fixed

>>36948 Arguably yes. But the total sellout of the Presidential Pardon is a new low even by American's already pretty fucking low standards. >>36958 >he already has the hgihest clearance you can get He has Top Secret clearance for things HE NEESDS TO KNOW - as a SpaceX Defense Contractor. That doesn't include IRS tax information. >>36959 Stay mad Trumptoid.

>>36970 <she fell for the AI grift Genuine question for you coming from me a machine learning software developer, do you actually believe that today's AI can "realistically" do anything you're suggesting? Cause that's hilarious if true.

>>36900 USAID was a multi billion dollar govt piece, small at that, and it was effectively a way to just pour millions into a bunch of corporations with little to no oversight or requirement for outcomes. The whole social security thing even if what they had was hyperbole it shows just how archaic the system is in how the catalog and store information, and it showed how easily it could be fucked with so that social security fraud could happen en masse. Rich people doung what they can to lower there taxes sounds horrible and all but its less of a concern of most people mainly because a billionair or millionair or whatever still pays more than most large groups of people will. Fuck when they say those rich only pay less than half it doesnt ever account for a couple dozen people matching 10s of millions of normal people. This is also why i want more tariffs because they would be a great supplement to the US financials

>>36926 Ya man its only mow with evil trump and musk that rich people can get away with crime unlike the decades previously where the wealthy were all held to the exact same standard

>>36537 DOGE is part of the controlled demolition of the American Empire. We're going into a multipolar world order where technocracy rules. Get ready for AI government because that's what Musk is selling.

>>36999 <It's okay when Trump does it because nobody should ever be held to ANY standards ever anymore Interesting take anon

>>36959 This is a cursed thread filled with NGMIs. I already sorely miss 4chan. Even with 90% of the posts being bots/ shills, and 5% idiot tourists, the remaining 5% was of such a higher caliber of intellectual discourse, global understanding, that it puts 99% of the legit posters here to shame.

>>36972 For the fulfillment of the objectives of DOGE then he does in fact need to be able to access information, an audit of the govt requires a lot of stuff to be seen and collected and this faux outrage of security clearance doesnt hold water because he is already trusted with that lvl of clearance, and regardless almost all info is need to know, you cant just ask about 99% of shit the govt does cuz of all the red tape

>>36979 In terms of taking a lot of information from incredibly large sources and able to reliably summarize or collate the data, you see this in a lesser way with google able to give coherent answers just on the search page without even going to a website, and it links the references for it on the summarization

>>37083 This morale arguments fall flat because the intention behind them is that it is a uniquely trump thing as was little to extinct previously, only enforcing rules when you feel like it is a show of greater corruption

>>36537 Obviously, yes.

>>36958 >He is basically in charge of the US space operations lol, you're fucking retarded

>>36537 He already has, and called out Jay-Z for buying Beyonce's albums to artificially make her top the music charts. Now what happens when this tech starts comparing the Bitcoin block chain (NON FUNGIBLE) and compares it to bank records? All the criminals go to jail. >>36580 You can't sell classified data. Trump can authorize anyone to see any classified data he wants. He could fire anyone he wants and replace them with anyone he wants. That's why he's the chief executive of the executive branch.

>>37153 >google able to give coherent answers just on the search page without even going to a website, Anon, how do you think they know that website has the data you're interested in?

>>37222 He is doing better than nasa and the shit he has going on with starlink and satellites covers a lot of ground

>>37230 Ai bullshit, which the utilization of might be the only way tobscour through all the information that the govt has in any sort of reasonable timeframe, humans just cant read, categorize, memorize, or interpret information as fast as a computer

>>37235 LMAO, imagine thinking spacex can unironically compare with nasa. SpaceX is a fraudulent program, nasa would actually do shit if they got government funding.

>>36537 They're preparing for WWIII. Cutting off the dead weight frees up resources for the war and creates a class of unemployed retards that don't have a choice but to join the millitary.

>>37160 This is what we call Rightoid projection. Just say what you want to say "it's okay when Trump does it".

>>37153 You don't know what you're talking about anon. >>37237 >AI bullshit Case and point. Google basically invented modern day web crawling. Which has literally nothing to do with machine learning / AI because it wasn't invented for roughly 2 more decades.

>>38711 >unemployed retards sounds like us. most of us would fight tooth and nail to not get drafted aswell any other gen z whites so idk if their gonna get results they hope for.

BREAKING: Elon Musk & DOGE reveal Department of Education officials were using TAXPAYER DOLLARS to rent out STADIUMS and CAESAR'S PALACE for parties BLATANT THEFT. Elon Musk: "As soon as we started requiring them to upload receipts, all this spending STOPPED. " ANOTHER reason to abolish the DoE!

proofs?

>>42764 Merged

>US Treasury Shocks With Second Biggest Budget Surplus In History archive.ph/6ygM7 <Two weeks ago, as part of its quarterly refunding announcement, the Treasury surprised the market when it unveiled a funding need for the current quarter that was $53 billion lower than it had initially forecast in February, and which we said "indicates that DOGE is indeed working and the US funding needs are actually declining." <Needless to say, for a market that was habituated to Joe Biden's debt-funded drunken sailor spending ways, the news that the US would needs less - not more - spending than previously expected, came as a shock, and yields slumped as less debt than expected would be required to fund the world's most indebted government. <Today we got the reason why the borrowing need of the US was surprisingly lower than previously expected, and it was revealed in the latest Treasury Monthly Statement laying out the US government's monthly deficit... or rather surplus. Yes, we are so used to describing the sum-total of the US government's monthly income statement as a deficit (i.e., more spending than revenue) that it has become automatic to assume that every month the US will spend more than it brings in. Only this time that wasn't the case. <Presenting Exhibit A: in April, the US Treasury generated a $258.4 billion surplus after last month's $160.5 billion deficit; this the second biggest surplus on record, with just the $308 billion bumper surplus in 2021 bigger.

>Is DOGE Starting To Work? 'Deep TriState' Jobless Claims Surged Last Week archive.ph/V6Eai <The number of Americans filing for jobless benefits for the first time was flat from the prior week at 229k (the same level it was at in Jan 2022)... <Headline continuing claims remains below the Maginot Line of 1.9 million Americans... <But, drilling down, the 'Deep Tristate' saw initial jobless claims spike last week... <...and continuing jobless claims in the 'Deep TriState' also rose as perhaps DOGE is starting to have some effects...