Lately I've been tinkering with the idea of using screenshots to supplement my crusty old anki deck. I have a few dozen screenshots, and I'm finding this reasonably effective, but beyond that, it's also kinda fun. Suddenly I'm capturing moments, with voices and faces, instead of marking dictionary entries for rote memorization. Engaging new material feels like looking for rare pokemon— I want to take the most-wrong-answered cards of my deck, and find actual examples of each. Have you tried this, anon? Does it scale?

>>1081510 >Have you tried this, anon? Does it scale? I haven't really done it with video-games, but I have used Memento to do "one mouse click cards" that have a screenshot, audio, definitions and the sentence itself for anime and TV shows. Here is a video with a similar setup that I used https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5bfawC4Is5w (you get the necessary links in the video description), with the one big difference in that I set it up for Word cards(with the sentence as a helper), instead of Sentence cards. I know there are tons of debates on this subject, but from my personal experience when I went with the Tango TheMoeWay for N5 and N4, is that I would end up reading the first few words of a sentence, then immediately know what the sentence is, without finishing it as well as what the target word would be, even if it's at the end of the sentence, so it's not that I learned the word, but that I associated "かれは" with "学校" which is not good. Here is a picture of how my cards look nowadays, as I switched to a monolingual dictionary(though I still have the bilingual one, when I don't understand the definition), as well as my Memento setup(I use the animecards template https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/151553357) I once tried to do the same with a Visual Novel, since I can go through them at my own pace, but rarely do I find one that is fully voiced, so for those I tried using Japanese let's players that read the VN when there was no voice acting, and try to record it and sync it with the cards, while also using software to extract the text and add them on a webpage, so that I could use yomitan to create the card. In the end it was too much of a hassle, so I prefer mining using anime, and vidya for immersion. >inb4 why use Memento when you could do the same thing with mpv and the necessary plugins Memento is mpv with all the plugins in one big package that just works. I initially tried setting up mpv, but it was just easier to use Memento. I am sure you could have an even better setup with mpv, but this was good enough for me.

>>1080622 I'm going to go a bit off topic with this, but are there any other non-English/Japanese languages worth learning specifically for vidya? I've heard strong cases made for Russian, Chinese and Portuguese for the sheer amount of players from each respective region, but I wanna know you guys' opinion, and if you had resources for those languages that are as good as the ones for Japanese. Also, are there any games that are best enjoyed in a specific language that isn't strictly English or Japanese?

>>1081552 Maybe russian for piracy but other than that I can't really think of any other unless you're specifically into the games a certain country makes.

>>1081552 >but are there any other non-English/Japanese languages worth learning specifically for vidya? Not really unless you want to specifically play vidya released from a specific country. Probably Korean is the next "big" contender because they are extremely present in the gaming space, and Russian if you're interested in Slav-jank. And I would say Chinese, but that's too much of a mess to deal with. Because you have to decide if you want to learn traditional (Taiwan) or simplified (West Taiwan/CCP), and there is a huge difference. And even then, many Asian productions translated into Chinese also often have an English translation attached because that's one of the primary languages in the region if the game is lacking a Korean/Japanese translation. If you're looking for another language to learn specifically for the purposes of consuming media, not just video games, I'd say French or Italian because of how important they are in the comic industry.

>>1081552 >players That doesn't matter, at least not until later generations when those players become developers. What matters is where the games are coming from, which is largely Japan, America, and the UK. Chinese games might slowly become a thing but it'll be a while. Korean games are coming a bit faster and have a bit more history but they still have a long ways to grow. Other European countries have few games relative to the overall industry, and most of the good ones are already translated.

>>1081510 Ah,too much work

I see in famitsu they only put furigana on the first time words show up in an article. Good for learning.

>>1081552 There are a lot of German-only games, if you're big into graphic adventure games and CRPGs.

Does anybody know what this says? It's basic katakana but I can't quite make out all of the characters.

>>1082423 >be tsu chi maa ku <futee? fuaa??

>>1082423 Benchmark shiaa

>>1082423 Benchmark tour.

>>1082423 ベンチマーク ツアー as >>1082460 said

I think I'll sign up for the N4 this summer. I've been slacking a bit though so we'll see how this goes.

I know this isn't Japanese, but it's in the same vein as learning Japanese/a foreign language and relates to certain video games. Can anyone provide some information on learning Russian? I think it will be useful to me and I have always had a fondness for it ever since I played with some Russian people on counter strike many moons ago. I figure it'll help for playing through STALKER games, to boot. Any resources one can provide me on this would be appreciated.

>>1084745 rutracker should already have lots of russian resources.

>>1084745 >Can anyone provide some information on learning Russian? Just sentence/word mine Russian TV shows?

>>1084745 >Can anyone provide some information on learning Russian? The fastest way I know to learn any language its to embed yourself in a community of natives. So find a local russian group or get some slavic friends and talk to them in an app like discord. Most normies get excited when a foreigner want to know about their culture so they will teach you for free kek. Also STALKER is based, i recomend the ANOMALY modpack. It adds a ton of content.

>>1084764 I wish it were that easy to find some Maybe I should go to some russian servers in video games and try to make friends with the few who speak a little english

Well I signed up for the N4. 100 maple bucks this year, what a rip.

>>1087689 Ganbare, anon. Post your results when you take the test.

>>1087694 I wont get my results until about a month after the test so it will be a while. I don't know why they take so long to mark them.

>>1087707 I recall trying to sign up for N5 years ago soon after I started my Nihongo journey, and I had to 'pre-order' the test itself 6 months in advance, and the window to sign up is only available for like a month or two, so if you miss that window you were shit out of luck until the following fuckin year. That made me not care about taking the JLPT tests. Is it still like that? Or was it different for you?

>>1089217 You have to sign up 3 months in advance and there's a two week window to sign up. For my location they test twice a year but yeah in a lot of places they only test once. But at the same time I mean idk how hard is it to mark a date on a calendar or write it down or whatever.

>>1089287 >But at the same time I mean idk how hard is it to mark a date on a calendar or write it down or whatever. A lot of people have jobs that like to spring surpises at the last minute.

>>1089294 If you can't take the test that's one thing but if you can't sign up that's entirely another. Also the test seems to always be on sunday which should greatly lessen the chance of you having to work that day.

I learnt english through learning how basic 5 word sentences work and how to read and write the alphabet, the rest came to me through hundreds of hours of sims gameplay. I want to approach japanese in the same manner. any resources for learning the basic version of the alphabet (I think its called kana could be wrong) and the barebones base grammar rules?

>>1089538 Set you sims install to japanese.

>>1089538 Do you talk in Simlish now?

>>1089538 >I think its called kana could be wrong Correct, it is kana. As far as you wanting to approach Japanese in the same manner of how you learned english, there's a lot of games in Japan with varying levels of readability. Beginning your learning journey of the language, you want to ideally look for games that have furigana as they act as training wheels for one to help learn & remember kanji easier by virtue of having the kanas above kanjis. Pokemon games for instance, originally only had kanas which sound easy and helpful on paper, but a lack of kanji makes it hard to read & learn. Starting with the Gamecube games (Pic 1) & DS games, they've switched to furigana. The N64 Zelda games had kana & kanji which make for better reading than only kana, but you won't know how to say or understand the kanjis as they don't give you readings nor the characters dialouge, you have to go by context. Much like with Pokemon though, they also switched to furigana with the Gamecube games (Pic 2 & 3) & DS games. The 3DS remakes of the N64 games also get furigana. If you want a game just like The Sims that you can sink your teeth into for the hours of ganeplay and learn Japanese from it, then try out Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Pic 4) for 3DS as the prior games have kana and kanji. For the grammer rules there's the Tae Kim's Grammer book linked in the OP. I wouldn't waste my time with grammer imo as you'll pick up on it later as you go. You could take up anon's suggestion >>1089724 & replay The Sims in Japanese but I would leave that game aside as something to challenge yourself with later as it doesn't have furigana nor Japanese voices. While it also only has kanji & no Japanese voices, MySims (Pic 5) is a bit more fitting due to the Sims stuff being dumbed-down & also having other games beyond Sims-clone like Racing, Party, & Agents.

No mention of WaniKani, is there any particular reason why it's not listed as a resource?

>>1090504 Has it worked for you?

>>1090504 Just use an RTK deck for Anki.

>>1084764 >find a local russian group or get some slavic friends and talk to them How is he going to talk to them without knowing russian? You're skipping waaaay ahead of yourself. That should be the final step, not the first step.

>>1089538 I used realkana.com to drill the alphabet. Only takes a week or 2. Then, for grammar the best introduction is "Japanese the Manga Way" which is on archive.org. A lot of people recommend "Tae Kim" but Japanese the Manga Way has all the same information, but with MUCH better examples, taken from real manga. https://archive.org/details/japanese-the-manga-way/page/n2/mode/1up?view=theater

>>1090504 It's a scam. The only bigger scam in language learning is Duolingo. You will not learn a language using an app.

>>1089815 I can sing la gallina in simlish >>1089962 thanks for the suggestions of what games to play anon-sempai. I still need to learn the kana be able to pronounce the symbols when I read them. any guides to learn them? I cannot into anki.

>>1091814 when I was young, my parents raised my allowence for using that. I used it for english and my own language. keke

>>1092105 mind you this was ages later after the sims thing. I was already fluent in reading english by then.

I'm going by The Moe Way. Just going through the 30 day set with their linked Anki deck. Afraid to start cause I had zero foundation when I first tried to learn and burned myself pretty hard.

>>1092095 >I still need to learn the kana be able to pronounce the symbols when I read them. any guides to learn them? I cannot into anki. If you want to be yelled at by a drunk guy that likes drinking beer while also learning the language, there's Namasensei's Japanese lessons (Pic 1)! You don't have to get a pen and notebook if you don't want to write the stuff out, and he does get stroke orders wrong but he's still good teaching material He has a playlist of his lessons here https://inv.nadeko.net/playlist?list=PL9987A659670D60E0 Begin at Lesson 1 Hiragana and then go to the next lessons. If you want to just jump straight to the language, there's Doragana on Nintendo DS & 3DS (Pics 2, 3, & 4.) Doraemon teaches you all the hiragana, katakana, & some Japanese words the kids are taught and include some of the pictures that correspond to the words. It goes the extra mile of not only how you pronounce those kanas but also how you write them and, being a game made for Japanese kids, will be easy to pick up and understand. I strongly recommend you go with that game because it'll serve you well as a beginner and when you go venturing off to playing other games entirely in Japanese, you won't feel as overwhelmed with the lack of learning knowledge. If you want another game to play in Japanese that has furigana, look no further than the Zelda games on DS (Pic 5 for Phantom Hourglass). The Zelda games are already good at highlighting the important words in red and blue for things like items and names, but DS Zelda games go even further than that as you can tap the kanjis on the touchscreen and they'll give you furigana readings. To my knowledge, no other Japanese game has done something like this. Thus, you can go on an adventure and test yourself with the kanjis once you learn them as you're bound to see the same characters pop up. As another piece of advice on your coming language learning journey, you shouldn't go at this through the lens of a dry a rigid academic student where you constantly assess yourself and depend on a grade telling you that you're good/not good at understanding the language. Your highest priority should be having fun with it because if you're not enjoying it, then you'll see it as a job and get burnt out. For that kind of fun mindset, I heartly recommend reading from the now defunct 'All Japanese All The Time' blog which has been archived for prosperity. It has lot of informative & humerous readings https://alljapanesealltheti.me/

>>1092095 the process of learning the language is pretty much the same as any other. the one big difference is the moonrune wall your biggest challenges will be reconciling the huge differences with your native language, finding the words to express something, and figuring out how to use a word and the differences between words for grammar just do tae kim's grammar guide and grab cure dolly's playlist. after establishing a foundation just look up stuff as you go on reference books like the dojg. if it works for you, you can do textbook exercises (fill in the gaps, complete the text using the words in the box, match words with pictures, answer the questions, etc.) there are few resources for moonrunes which is unfortunate because they have a ton of tricks to them >the parts that make them up (radicals and other stuff) round up to around 300 unique parts or so >most fall into one or more of 6 categories (rikusho): <shiji moji, abstract icons like 上, 下, 中, 一, 二, 末(すえ), 本(as in もと) <shoukei moji, based on objects like 山, 日, 木, 月 <kai'i moji, composite characters, like 東 (sun(日) rising over the horizon shining through the trees(木)), 休む is a person(人(亻)) resting against a tree(木) <tenchuu moji. when kanji derive new meanings later on (e.g. 楽 gaining the uses for fun). ignore this category <kashaku moji, borrowed characters. basically used only for sound. mostly describes uses for names like countries, like in 仏蘭西(aka フランス, france), 伊太利亜(aka イタリア, italy). ignore this and just learn katakana <phono-semantic compounds, the largest group (see below) >keisei moji (semantic and phonetic components) e.g. anything with 貝 likely has to do with money: 金貨, 買う, 財布, 貧乏, 売る(old form is 賣る), 円(old form is 圓), etc. not always though (会員 means member of an association/assembly, 隕石 means meteor, etc.) >compounds fall into one of many categories: <similar meanings: 上昇, 切断, 増加, 低減 <opposites: 上下, 左右, 増減, 出入り <former modifies latter: 洋服, 大会, 小屋, 下水, 火山 <latter acts as object or complement of former: 殺人(人を殺す), 登山(山に登る) <pics with mnemonics like pic related <former negates latter: 不正(not legal), 未定(not yet determined), 未来(future (not yet come)), 非常(extremely, emergency (not usual)), 否定(negation (not determined)), 無罪(not guilty) <construction (naritachi) and breakdown (just something to try. kanji dictionaries specialize in this) if you don't burn out in the middle you'll eventually get there

>>1094162 This book goes into detail about that for kanji, and it's bilingual.

>>1094162 >>1094185 oh yeah and stroke orders can be guessed ~98% of the time from the basic rules+the basic parts. e.g. although you'd expect 牜(ox radical on the left) to follow the rules, it differs from 牛(ox radical)'s regular stroke order. however, anything that includes 牜 will maintain its stroke order: 物, 特, 牝, 牡, 牧, etc.

the new doraemon movie is kino bros

>>1093041 If the moe way is the one where you just look up words from your anime in a japanese dictionary until you master the language then good luck man. I can't imagine anything more tedious.

>>1096757 It's here https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/. I've tried before with the core deck in the OP but I got overwhelmed and burned out, among other things. I feel like the idea of "listen to Japanese for building comprehension" while doing flashcards and trying to read basic things could help but you tell me if you think this guide is worthless or not.

i'm playing tales of the abyss in japanese

>>1081552 >I've heard strong cases made for Russian, Chinese and Portuguese for the sheer amount of players from each respective region Lol. >Russian. Only really good for piracy, and even then most stuff from there gets reposted on english trackers if you know where to look and that assumes it's not already on the usual normalfag pirate sites. >Chink. Hell no, not even chinese readers want to read chinese stories with how bloated they are. I got baited into learning it for at least the basics so I could read gachaslop stories without trannylation butchering but it's honestly not worth your time. >Brazilese. Learn chinese at that point, talking to macacos is not worth your time, and the few ones that have something non-retarded to say already know english.

>>1091811 Tae kim is a retard intentionally teaching you wrong, just use the pisscord way's (themoeway) guides, they are as streamlined as it gets. Also don't fall on the anki grinding trap, immersion as soon as humanly possible even if you understand jack shit at first is key.

>>1103579 I perused pretty well all of the guides when I started. And honestly while they have a lot of decent resources in them, I think most of them are either for the most extreme autists out there or subtly attempting to push people away from learning the language. They either tell you to move at a pace thats pretty extreme like the moe way or like ajatt where it makes you tediously look up words for months until you somehow your brain makes sense of sentences, and go fuck yourself if you even consider using an english dictionary. I don't know what the deal is with the mentality in these guides or even sometimes the anons in these types of threads but honestly some people seem to get livid with the idea of just cracking open a beginners japanese grammar book. Even worse if it quizzes you on the stuff you've learned. Idk man, I can only tell you whats working for me. I do my anki decks for vocab and I'm going through the genki books for grammar. And sometimes I find an old issue of famitsu that looks interesting and I slowly read through some articles while looking up a bunch of words. That's basically it. I don't really see the problem some anons have with the genki books since they're written by native japanese people but whatever. I'm on lesson 17 of genki(I did the workbook questions as well), I did the AJT kanji transition deck and now I'm now about 75% through the kaishi 1.5k and only now am I just starting to get the feeling that I can actually kind of read some simple stuff like nhk easy news. People who are JUST starting out, thinking they can learn through pokemon or whatever are in for a rude awakening. I was humbled by animal crossing a couple times before I gave up on that. Those games are made for japanese kids who, while not knowing any kanji, have a very strong grasp of japanese vocabulary and grammar. Games like that are not meant for learning on from a base of literally nothing. Japanese has a lot of homophones so you NEED to know your vocab if you're going to start reading games with no kanji in them. Anyway, my main advice here is to take it slow. Go through your decks ONE AT A TIME and do them at 5-10 words a day or whatever you're comfortable with depending on how you feel but make sure to REVIEW YOUR FORGOTTEN WORDS multiple times a day. At least 3. Make a routine of it. You're in this for the long haul. Then just find an hour every day or every other day to work on genki or whatever grammar guide you want. If you do those two things you WILL start to get somewhere you WILL see improvements.

>>1104521 I'll keep that in mind while I try again. Thanks for the overview and advice. Friend of mine said he'd lend me his Genki books so I'll crack them open too.

>>1104521 >They either tell you to move at a pace thats pretty extreme define extreme. also consider that you don't have to follow shit to a tee >tediously look up words for months got a better idea? vocabulary lists? glossaries? labeled pictures? how do you even begin to take in shit like ～上は, ～た上で/～の上, and ～上に if not via repeated lookups? >some people seem to get livid with the idea of just cracking open a beginners japanese grammar book because they shove all non-intuitive shit under the rug. you don't hear about very common shit like ここから先は立ち入り禁止 (keep out, you can't go past this point, etc.) simply because baww gwammaw so hawd and diffrunt from engrisshu bawwww. hell, people regularly allude to the '私はウナギです means I'm an eel' joke since textbooks shy away from teaching は vs が, something you could cover in a page or 2 with a few example sentences covering a few patterns. there's no worse feeling than having to throw away your work, and unlearning little 'white lies' sucks big time >Games like that are not meant for learning on from a base of literally nothing. you'd be surprised by how far you can get in games like DQI just with reference material (e.g. DoJG) and word lookups. of course, you won't be able to crack archaic shit like the ん in 神のご加護があらんことを(may god's divine blessing be upon you) i.e. 神のご加護がありますように(願っています, or ウ音便 like うれしゅうございます (i.e. うれしくあります->うれしいです)

Such a waste of time. All you need is Animelon and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kU2cc85ZA&list=PLB3F2C5D8B5F81F34

>>1104964 Look like I said I can only tell people my experience. Attempting to read anything while knowing basically no vocab and grammar fucking sucked. Its extremely tedious and it takes forever to get anywhere. To build vocab there are plenty of decks out there with the most common 1000 or so words in them. Only after going though those decks is actually reading anything with any sort of smoothness actually possible. I don't give a shit if you think textbooks shove "non intuitive" stuff under the rug. It such a stupid statement anyway implying intermediate and advanced grammar books don't exist. The beginner ones are made for fucking beginners which everyone start as. If a native japanese speaker thinks people don't need to know the peculiarities of a particle until after they've learned other things then that's fine by me. I've not in any sort of rush. I'll get there eventually. Not to mention that pretty much any grammar point can be looked up anyway so more detailed explanations are always available.

>>1104964 >ここから先は立ち入り禁止 > baww gwammaw so hawd and diffrunt from engrisshu bawwww >私はウナギです >は vs が I should also mention that I stay FAR away from most japanese learning circles and so I am unfamiliar with the usual strawmans associated with more traditional learning methods. Thank god for that. But for me, it's eel.

>>1105509 anki isn't a bad start but it's merely a memory aid, not a silver bullet for language learning. it doesn't teach word usage by itself, so if you're dealing with something that's not intuitive like いい加減(形容動詞, irresponsible/bullshit (e.g. story), adequate degree (as in, cut it with the jokes and get your shit together; also as in this is a good place to wrap things up), and sloppy/half-baked/not thorough) and いい加減(adverb, means excessive/too much) you're gonna have a bad time. >>1105563 >usual strawmen you seem awfully self-centered. the truth is there's no shortage of retards who fail at shit like that, which clearly suggests that it's subpar learning materials' fault for going for the low-hanging fruit and shoving complexity under the rug, like most language courses do (gotta keep milking the goycattle) another big example is how textbooks expect you to just drill kanji without teaching you the tricks. it's despicable and no one should stand for that

>>1104964 >は vs が What's the explanation without the white lies?

>>1105907 shit like introducing a new topic vs information about something already known (昔々、姫がいました。姫は美しいでした-> there once was a princess. the princess was beautiful.), contrast (肉は好きだが、野菜は好きじゃない), etc. there are tons of sites explaining it. don't expect people to just paste walls of text when you can use a search engine

>>1104521 >I don't know what the deal is with the mentality in these guides or even sometimes the anons in these types of threads but honestly some people seem to get livid with the idea of just cracking open a beginners japanese grammar book. Even worse if it quizzes you on the stuff you've learned. The thing with japanese is you either NEED it or you are not gonna learn it in a reasonable timeframe, if ever. "Need" has multiple meanings mind you, maybe you basically are going to be living there and not around the tokyo area where you can basically get by with westoidese, maybe you have a seething hatred for trannylators and NEED the experience as the author/devs intended, maybe you got a japanese 3dpd gf. The point is, you NEED to be fluent as soon as humanly possible, that's kind of it. Textbooks are too fucking slow for this and the language is too dense to really take your time and still learn in a reasonable timeframe.

>>1105907 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-hK4-qv9Yk >B-b-but da robit voice is le weird. x2 speed.

Even practicing drawing kanji doesn't help me remember them very well, too many of them are just too complex to remember at a glance. I can read baby books with only the simplest and most common kanji, but moving up from material for literal babies to stuff with some actual entertainment value is hard.

>>1105907 Someone tell me where I'm retarded here so I can learn too. But as far as I know: >が always indicates the subject, inelastically, i.e. it's a 1-1 analogy to the "subject" in English. >は however is a "subject topic" (that's all I've ever read/heard) indicator, which has no English 1-1. It's elastic in its use, and is only for special use cases. So it's use is directed largely by the current vernacular. >fucking Japniggers は can be used with or without が for different effects. For example は (no が) can be used to indicate/change the topic and thus the subject too(with focus, so it expresses contrast). But I'm betting even in a "(no が)" use case, the subject can also be implied/understood to be something else depending on the sentence/context. PLUS, I think I've also seen は used WITH が, though that's the most straight-forward to understand since there's no room for implication garbage.

>>1105907 が marks the one who IS, or DOES. Consider this the subject of a sentence. は marks the topic that defines the context being talked about Every sentence has both a subject and a topic. Sometimes they are implicit, though. Sometimes the same word is both things (the subject of the current sentence is also the topic), in which case you'll have to omit one of the two particles depending on the context and what you want to emphasize more. The one you didn't choose will still be there, it's just implicit. Because again, every sentence has a topic and a subject, even if you can't see it.

>>1106371 you get used to it >あ～っ! 容疑者が逃げようとしている! ahh! the suspect is getting away! >容疑者は逃げようとしている doesn't make sense. you're saying something like "uh, so like, the suspect is, like, getting away and stuff. so what are everyone else's plans?" you also have the possessive が used in some expressions: 龍が如く, 我が, 我が家, 我が国, 我が社, 我が闘争, etc.

>>1105875 >awfully self-centered 100 percent. Because when it comes learning nip everyone's got an opinion and I'm gonna do shit MY way.

so much irony you could build a railroad from coast to coast with it

>>1106371 >>1106451 が has a bunch of specific uses as well though like when you indicate whether someone has the ability to do something. All about Particles by Naoko Chino is a good book that covers them pretty pretty well.

Anyone using the wanikani ultimate deck for anki? if so, how did you configure it?

>>1107231 Comical seeing even here people fall for using demonic antijapan buzzwords that rot the mind.

>>1107345 Well they're still moonrunes even if I like what they're saying.

>>1107361 Based ironic weeb.

How much games/applications like "So to Speak" can help a newbie to get some basic understanding of nipponese?

>>1112422 it ranges from nothing at all to a little. most of them focus ease of use and retention. generally you'll advance at a faster pace by studying off materials like guides and books and experiencing media. for example, don't expect apps to say 'now we'll introduce attributive modification (e.g. [私が飼っている]犬です-> the dog [(that) I own] (i.e. the dog [I'm taking care of]))'

>>1106371 I still don't understand what the fuck is passive sentence and when to use に

>>1115757 Don't worry about it.

>>1115769 it's in n4 material so surely it would come up pretty often right

while 形容詞+です has been accepted for over 70 years (~1951), it's technically wrong (you can't say 楽しいだ so by the same token 楽しいです should be wrong too) pic related from the keigo toushin mentions that very few holdovers who take issue with it remain, but what is the 'alternative' to it? all I can find from searches is stuff like >楽しかりました (shortening of 楽しく+ありました), and other more archaic stuff like 安かり(やすくあり) >楽しゅうございました (ウ音便+ございます) (also listed in the pic, will make you sound like a mummy) >rephrase it: e.g. 楽しいひと時でした (refusing to use adjectives politely at all)

>>1116070 Apparently there are some placed in japan where they will say da after adjectives. They know it's wrong but it's basically an accent thing to them.

>>1106534 >>容疑者は逃げようとしている >doesn't make sense. Yes it does. You'd just be making a contrasting statement or introducing a new topic. >被害者は暴力犯罪の通報書を提出するため、午後９時自宅から外出し、交番に向かいます。途中で再び容疑者に遭遇、暴行を受けました。現在でも逮捕はなく、容疑者は依然として逃走中です。

>>1116070 When speaking casually, people usually use 形容詞+んだ, like 楽しいんだ. This is a shortening/slurring of のだ, like 楽しいのだ. However actually using のだ will sound weird a lot of time, it's generally considered that のだ is something you write while んだ is what you say actually speaking IRL.

>>1116478 >Yes it does. You'd just be making a contrasting statement or introducing a new topic. if what you say does not match the proposed situation (look, X is happening!), then you can't say the usage is correct. grammatical correctness is not all there is to it. は was used in your sentence because it's referring to a suspect known previously (the suspect (from before, of this case)), and because of the change of focus from 被害者 to 容疑者 >>1116812 のです/んです works, but it can't be used all the time. e.g. 「あ～、楽しいんでした」 doesn't sound right to me.

>>1090504 IMO dedicated kanji study alone is inefficient for learning the language as a whole after early kanji and vocab. This is also true for RTK, and WhinyCunny is just RTK with extra steps and extra price. If you know a couple hundred kanji, which yeah you can get from WaniKani free version or like 1/4th of an RTK Anki deck, you are better moving on to mining Anki cards from content you consume.

>>1116866 For past tense, wouldn't you just say 楽しかった? It can be 楽しかったです if being formal, or 楽しいんだった if casual.

>>1116070 The alternative is you don't use です。

Why is there so much weirdness about learning Japanese especially? Like, 90% of ESLs learn English by just fucking doing it, hitting the pavement and not stopping until they know it. I learned a decent amount of Russian by listening to music and playing games. But there's so much almost pseudoscience around Japanese, "bro you gotta do ZIPZIPZOO and these esoteric methods". It seem like how the brain's language acquisition would work.

*doesn't seem maybe I should try learning English first :^)

>>1117508 There's a lot of autism involved in the people who want to learn it. Combine that with people wanting to learn it as fast as possible and japanese just having a sort of hacked together writing system and there's your answer.

>>1117508 No idea. I learned Japanese exactly the same way I learned English - by consuming media.

>>1117508 Learning a language can often feel like smashing your head onto a brick wall until one it finally crumbles and all of you sudden you just "know" it. I'm guessing a lot of autists wanting to learn Japanese to watch anime or whatever really want some scientific method to learning so they can feel like they getting guaranteed progress everyday.

>>1117508 >autistic weebs want to learn Japanese >said weebs' ignorance of how language learning actually works >army of grifters trying to sell them shit Anybody have the screencap of the language app owner intentionally keeping his users "spinning their wheels"? Because that's all it is, salesmen looking for gullible paypigs to bleed dry for years. This is why you see people using Duolingo everyday for years and coming out the other side unable to string together a coherent sentence. Not that the way other languages are taught is perfect, most resources for French place heavy emphasis on route memorization of syntax and conjugation, concepts you have no use or context for without already having a good grasp on the language.

video games?

>>1117508 Just doing it works up until the point where you have to actually read. I moved to Japan and picked up enough conversational Japanese to work in the night industry in a year, but being able to read took a painfully long time of dedicated study. I don't know of another language with as big of a barrier between speaking and reading.

>>1117444 >don't use です so rephrasing, i.e. option 3. dropping teineigo is not an option >>1117508 >tons of snake oil peddlers and sketchy methods floating around. garbage like duoshitguo and rtk (just write the kangjies over and over and don't worry about words or readings lol) >casualshitters and posers causing burnout. they have a shallow interest + they don't even bother to search or read faqs before asking the same question for the millionth time and then bitching when they don't like the answer. a similar effect is observed in programming and open source circles. just look at stackoverflow which is flooded with homework questions >inappropriate material and lackluster explanations is infuriating. there are no explanations for why an expression is used or the kinds of situations in which they're likely to appear. you read about A一方だ when you can say ますますAになっていくだけだ or something like that. and then you have books using made up crap like 'group I verbs' whatever the fuck that means >lack of resources to find how to say stuff. sites like eikaiwa dmm and hinative don't cut it. how do I use 様子? why にて and not で? how do I say 3 stories tall (3階建て? I'd have never guessed). what do you mean progress (how things are coming along) is 進み具合? 具合 and 都合? what's the difference? all this results in disgruntled learners

>>1118243 Depending on your sentence you don't have to rephrase. このソフトは楽しい。 Should be perfectly fine.

>>1117508 As you pointed out, it's basically a solved issue. Just lock yourself in a room for three years (more like a year and a half really) and just read constantly like Miyamoto Musashi and you will emerge a Jap God. With Japanese specifically, it's because Jap shit is more popular then ever, normalfag Jap pop-culture fans are mentally immature, and it's easy to sell a quick skip and life hacks to those people. Welcome to the Matt vs. Japan clout-chasing grifter era of the "Japanese learning community."

>>1117508 99% of the difficulty in learning JP is not in actually learning JP, it's in unlearning all the dogshit brainrot that you have in the head due to being so used to modern westoidese due to how different the language structures between both are. Most of those strategies (namely AJATT and immersion derivatives) are just self-gaslighting to fix said english brainrot.

>>1118096 >Anybody have the screencap of the language app owner intentionally keeping his users "spinning their wheels"? I know what you're referring to but I don't have it.

>>1117508 Funnily enough, the most efficient method for learning japanese is still, guess what, immersing like you would any other language.

I'm playing Danganronpa, with textractor of course, and I'm surprised by how beginner friendly it is for japanese learners most of the time. The vocabulary isn't very complex, and at least in the easiest mode the characters repeat themselves A LOT so you can always grasp what's going on.

>trying to learn Hiragana >none of the sites have functioning sound when you click on the character I'm questioning whether I should waste two hours making my own study site and remedying the issue myself. Why is this so difficult?

>>1125587 memorizing the kana is the beginning.

>>1125742 Yea, I read the first 10 pages, I just want a way to process material in a way that's going to stick with me. I took two years of Chinese (traditional) so I'm no stranger to stroke order or Kanji (many of them are actually shared which you probably already know).

>>1124624 >immersing like you would any other language. it works but it's super inefficient without measures to improve retention (e.g. taking notes of words and expressions and nuances). not to mention that you should work on active skills on the side or your mind will go completely blank and you'll stammer constantly in front of of people >>1125807 >many of them are actually shared good luck with 里(日, |, 二), 田(vertical stroke before horizontal one on the inside), 卑(compare with 牌 which contains its old form), etc.

>>1125807 there's no shortcut. I spent like a week memorizing hiragana and got like 98% accuracy (the miss were misclick) yet it took me months until I can actually read hiragana stuff without stuttering or secondguessing.

tbqh if you just want to play vidya and consume media, just start doing that and don't worry too much about whether you learned grammar 'the right way' also most day to day spoken japanese is incredibly simple. you could fully get by in japan with pretty much a genki 1 level of understanding. most of this other shit only matters if you're really trying to grind for native fluency in conversational japanese, which if that's the case then your real goal should be finding a way to spend as much time in japan or speaking to japanese people as possible.

>>1118564 if you lock yourself in a room for 3 years and do everything right you will end up mediocre at listening and reading and not able to speak at all

>>1127244 I have to agree with this as someone who's spent 4 years learning Japanese (basically just doing anki and consuming content) and cannot output at all. To be fair, I'm not the smartest person, so I believe a lot of people can just figure it out, but not everyone's brain works that efficiently. I have about 20-25k learned words in Anki, I can read almost anything without an issue and I get 150+ on any N1 mock test out there, yet if you ask me to talk a bit in Japanese, I stutter and can barely introduce myself. It is honestly horrible and I have no idea how to fix it, because I do have the knowledge and my brain can decipher it, but it is unable to copy it and construct sentences by itself. I might be able to read 燕雀鴻鵠 but it's pointless if someone who's barely N3 can out output me.

>>1127244 I learned to speak english by immersion only so it should work for japanese also.

>>1090504 probably a scam just like anki

>>1117508 a lot of people trying to sell courses, books, ect. and a lot of dekinais spending more time theory crafting how to more efficiently learn the language than just fucking doing anything >by doing X i will shave off 5 minutes over the next 2 years, this was worth spending my entire day on instead of just immersing.

What's a good let's play channel to listen to?

>>1131425 I like キヨ. Tons of content over the years, very popular, but high energy which might sometimes even be off putting.

>>1131425 https://www.youtube.com/@karasumaA/videos funny and entertaining, his main content is more like a game review than a let's play. the only downside being he uses tts outside of streaming.

from what I gather, ～を限りに and ～限りで are used to express that something will change after the time period/deadline/amount of times mentioned. e.g. >セールは今週限りです <the sale ends after this week (i.e. the sale's only for this week) >当店は今月３１日限りで閉店致します。 <Our store will permanently close on the 31st of this month. the translation for the following example says 'only for that date/period' >2000年3月10日、東海道・山陽新幹線の食堂車がこの日限りで廃止された。 <On March 10, 2000, the dining car of the Tokaidō-Sanyō Shinkansen was discontinued on that day only. is this correct or a mistranslation? going by the previous examples it should be 'the dining car was shut down that day' the provided chink translation agrees too >2000年3月10日，东海道山阳新干线的餐车在那天停止运营 <(deepl) On March 10, 2000, the Tokaido Sanyo Shinkansen's dining car stopped operating on that day.

>>1128646 >I have no idea how to fix it You get better at writing by writing more. You get better at speaking by talking to people. Either find native conversation practice partners (check your local japanese embassy) or talk with chatgpt. >>1084745 Late, but I heard good things about this website https://mezhdunami.org/

>>1141278 >talk with chatgpt. I have no experience with it, but isn't the stuff it chock-full of mistakes?

>>1141856 If they're about as good as english ones, they'll spout grammatically correct bullshit at you but that should be good enough I suppose.

>>1128646 >if you ask me to talk a bit in Japanese, I stutter and can barely introduce myself. It is honestly horrible and I have no idea how to fix it Lately I've been playing video games and just talking to myself about what's happening in Japanese. Like if I was a Twitch streamer minus the actual streaming. I've been doing it for a month now. At first it was really awkward and I felt stupid the whole time, but now I really enjoy it and I look forward to it. I'm already way better at speaking in Japanese than I was. It's also made my other Japanese learning more fun and effective because I'll see a word I like and I'll go "Oh, I need to remember that so I can say it!" I've beaten four games and become much more fluent. I've gone from sounding like a stuttering gaijin to sounding like a really sleepy, slow-talking gaijin. I definitely recommend giving a shot. I've found slow, simple games without much dialogue, like NES RPGs, work really well. With fast-paced stuff like a racing game or something like Puyo Puyo it's hard to focus on both talking and the game. But with something too basic like Pong there isn't much to discuss, so something with a story and characters is better.

>>1139552 To the extent of my experience, it's correct. This is how I think about these sentences: >セールは今週限りです <the sale is limited to this week >当店は今月３１日限り >で >閉店致します。 <Our store is limited to the 31st of this month <so <it's permanently closing >2000年3月10日、東海道・山陽新幹線の食堂車がこの日限りで廃止された。 <On March 10, 2000, the dining car of the Tokaidō-Sanyō Shinkansen was discontinued for a period of time limited to just that day.

>>1127244 Actually the speaking part is true, okay, how about lock yourself in a room with an airgapped laptop and two terabytes of loli VNs, LNs, retro RPGs, and anime, using Yomichan and mining to Anki, and connect to the internet few times a week to chat with tutors on italki.

>>1139552 Pretty sure it's a mistranslation. Also 廃止 isn't a word you would use for something meant to be temporary.

Have you played this recently released hot Japanese indie game yet?

>>1142757 seems like you're mixing up を限りに/限りで(marks a pivotal point/deadline) with に限り(only for/limited to) >本日に限り全品20%引きです <Only for today, 20% off all products >この要綱は、令和5年3月31日を限りにその効力を失う。 <These guidelines will stop being effective as of March 3, 2023 (i.e. 3/31 something changes)

>>1142621 I do this with VN's / Dating sims when my character isn't voiced

Is reading/listening speed purely a function of time spent using the language or is there something else you have to do in order for it to "click"? I feel as if my reading speed is definitely better than it was let's say a year ago, but when I think of how I look over blocks of English text and it all just enters pretty much instantly, which doesn't seem to be different for Japanese if you git gud, I wonder how I could possibly get there. For listening which I struggle more with I've been trying to focus more on the sound of the words without having my brain try to understand them but this conversely leads to... not understanding the content. Also how does /日学ス/ view speaking? I've read learning to output early on gets you bad habits and I don't really intend to speak, at the same time I noticed if I try to think Japanese to myself I notice it's pretty slow and I wonder if it really might not help your overall learning along. All the other languages I've learned (albeit in different contexts and extents) had me speaking early on and it's not as if my Japanese will ever be perfect.

>>1144529 Not just time, but time multiplied by the quality of your practice. I'm at a level where I can tell I might plateau on JRPG baby garbage, because it's repetitive, limited vocab stuff. This I can skim through fairly easily now, but it's also easy to find harder stuff. >For listening which I struggle more with Same. I think the trick will be more transcription practice. I can gloss through basic audio, but trying to put the exact spoken words into text is much more challenging. >Also how does /日学ス/ view speaking? I think the only reasonable answer is to have a partner for language exchange. It's not really practice when you have no idea if what you're producing is correct.

I'm currently playing this game

Question, where will /jp/ make its new home? or rather, can we find a more general /jp/ related board anywhere? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-0lSiV-H7k unrelated, but did love live had revival of sorts? shit is popping up everywhere

Play pokemon and read yotsuba

>>1141856 As >>1142589 said, it's just a bullshit generator, but this is one of the rare usecases where this doesn't really matter since you just need something to keep the dialogue going. I use it for french primarily, and so far it's pretty convenient. You can even ask it to correct you, just keep in mind that it doesn't actually know what it's talking about, so its reasoning/answers can be wrong.

>>1148109 >see kanasoup game >feel irresistible urge to trace the moonrunes (状態／普通, 後) is this what they call autism?

>>1151267 Nah you just motivated. Keep it up. You missed keikenchi though

>>1151267 That's just academic curiosity, one of the traits that separates mediocrity from excellence. If you find the exercise useful, keep doing it.

>>1148109 What pokemon game would you recommend?

>>1156931 Something 4th or 5th gen.

>>1156931 Do you want to learn some kanji with furigana? Play Pokemon Colosseum & XD for Gamecube & Pokemon Battle Revolution for Wii.

>>1157900 >uses furigana >still writes shit like あそび方

>>1157900 How hard are the Yakuza games? Want to get into them, seems like a good opportunity

>>1159986 Only played zero, it's definitely more difficult than Pokemon but wasn't particularly bad if you're not a beginner. If I remember correctly, you can pause it anytime, so you can look up words you don't know easily.

how come DJT is on /v instead? did you guys manage to get exiled from /jp too?

>>1177142 /v/ was more active at the time here and /jp/ was abandoned.

>>1177246 pls migrate. /v/ doesn't need another off-topic general

>>1177246 sounds sub-optimal, i barely found my way here it's best to migrate for following threads, as to not overstay our welcome

>>1177142 >>1177257 >>1177346 the JLT's always been on /v/ both on the cripple's site (at least since gg) and here newfriends

>>1177388 i'll take your word for it as i never actually used /v over there. though i'm not sure why would you have a dedicated jlt thread there

>>1177388 This. We had an older thread & a thread before that here as well, don't know if the last thread got archived though before it disappeared off the catalog. /a/ also has one. >>>/a/2981

>>1177418 Because there are only 3 reasons a channer would learn Japanese >to watch anime/read manga (/a/) >to play video games (/v/) >to go to japan (/jp/)

I found out that gaijins are also allowed to post on the new popular JP bbs. Of you want to output, go there. https://bbs.eddibb.cc/liveedge

>>1178025 Damn this interface is absolutely disgusting.

>>1177550 >channer Anon newfriend.

>>1178106 You're supposed to use it with a bbs client.

>Step 0: get anki You have already lost. >>1178203 Does it work with e.g. chmate?

>>1178593 >Does it work with e.g. chmate? Yes. I'm not sure if setting it as the BBS Menu URL works, but since there is only a single board, you can add it directly from an URL on the 板 tab.

>>1178713 I'll give it a shot, thank you Anon.

videogame is a japanese hobby

>>1180167 On all levels except physical, I am Japanese. desu

apparently Geese is in the new 餓狼伝説 but it doesn't sound like Kong Kuwata

Someone tell me if I'm right because I haven't seen a guide explain this. く form of an adjective +はない is just a way of emphasizing the negative くない right? <たのしくはない This is like saying something akin to "this is anything but fun" since は shows contrast, at least that's how I think it works. First time I ever heard it was from a hentai where the girl said "嬉しくなんかない”

>>1190268 According to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQC29Izh51c the emphasis is one of its uses, the other main use is similar to the usual は particle usage, e.g. "As for A, it is not fun" (but it could be lucrative, for example).

>>1190762 I don't completely understand everything he says but looking up what he calls this grammar (部分否定) made it all click. This is basically how to use は with verbs (which I didn't even know you could do) and adjectives. I really need to get good enough to study Japanese IN Japanese

>>1190268 two uses >partial negation: that thing, it isn't (but it might be something else). e.g. I wouldn't say it tastes bad (まずくはないが), but it could be better >strong negation. e.g. うそをついてはいない. like when you're saying "I may have twisted the facts a little but I never lied"

>>1177550 I agree. For me, though, it's to read JP WN. Their new tactic of selling interesting stories for only one or two volumes before canceling them for whatever reason has gotten to me. I also want to read Shana one day.

>>1080622 not video games.

>>1178713 It just works, thanks. The site doesn't seem to have a BBSMENU.html but that's whatever as you said. >Sheryl Nome Now that's a blast from the past.

I need whatever this is but for programming and art

>>1197723 learning japanese is leagues easier tham learning programming or art, purely on the basis that you just have to memorize a bunch of stuff and languages are easy for our minds to work with naturally. Programming and art requires you to actually practice to get good at it. You have to constantly be producing things. Learning Japanese is just consuming (unless you want to speak/write in which case it's a bit harder).

AAAHHHHHHH HELP ME NIGGERMAN THEY STARTED BABBLING SOMETHING WEIRD WITH CRYPTIC RUNES AGAIN

>>1198223 >Programming Download Python: https://www.python.org/downloads/ Download VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Read this textbook and do the exercises: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ Ask ChatGPT for any questions (at this level it's practically infallible). >Art Get pencil and lots of paper. Aquire "Keys to Drawing" or similar starter books. Read and do the exercises.

>>1198223 >Programming and art requires you to actually practice to get good at it no amount of memorization is going to get you ready to use the language, the same way swinging a tennies racket over and over while running won't prepare you for a real tennis match >inb4 i only care about reading ok have fun being a half-literate mute

Rune Factory games are great for learning imo, lots of entertaining characters and varied dialogue.

Posted already in /vn/ and /jp/ but I'll post it here to for chuckles, the font kinda sucked but somehow managed to read and get the gist of most of it game is a bit more finnicky than I anticipated

>>1200659 Tried to post multiple images but post timed out, I guess.

>>1200659 Best girl speaks in Kansai ben? I would like to go back and play this in Japanese but yeah, the Japanese seems to be N3 level which I'm well past.

>>1200703 That あつい screenie is really lame. Saved.

>>1117508 One of the best things of learning japanese is that there is such a MASSIVE filter either by the language itself, the community about it, and zoomers, and now AI that you basically belong to a elite because you actually managed to learn japanese

>>1203364 >you basically belong to an elite because you actually managed to learn Japanese The feeling of superiority is just a bonus. The real treasure is being able to connect with cute 2D girls soul-to-soul, without some fagass translation filter getting in the way.

you don't even know what "feeling of superiority" is in jap without having to look it up

no i remember it because i mined it from a girl talking about her tits and tits make things quite memorable 優越感

>>1080622 >Tae Kim's grammar: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/242060646 This link is dead.

>>1207335 You don't miss out on much

hey, weblio is alright

>>1198223 fucking bullshit, I was having fun when learning how to draw.

>>1198223 Art isn't even at the same level as programming though. If your sense in aesthetics and color coordination is garbage, no amount of practice during adulthood improve it. Programming is way easier, why do think so many losers and Indians got in?

>>1207242 I do because that's what they say Sony fanboys suffer from on 5ch.

>>1207242 優越感 gets spammed to death in eroge i don't need to look shit up

>>1199883 Imagine getting filtered by easy and common 四字熟語.

>>1211953 隔靴掻痒

>>1207335 Good. Gook kim teaches you wrong on purpose anyway.

>>1198223 This is BS. Both learning Japanese and learning to draw are a lot harder than learning programming. Also, if you think the hard part about learning Japanese is memorization, I don't think you've really tried learning Japanese. >unless you want to speak/write We can see you're retarded. If you can't speak or write, you don't know the language.

What is up with this recent tendency with people saying chatgpt is all bullshit and no good? it has never lied to me or given me obvious misinformation and has been a tremendous help when learning.

>>1218240 >sick of double-checking by using the newspaper/magazine clipping method and pestering natives >tool purportedly able to correct writing is prone to claiming things that are flat out wrong so you need to double-check everything with natives or via a corpus anyway some great tool it is

>>1218240 It's prone to hallucinating

>>1104521 I never tried to learn japanese other than learning enough runes to tell my equipment apart in kancolle, but I have studied 4 other languages and the basic learning structure there made way more sense than what I see people recommend in these threads. basically you start learning grammar and reading short stories with a glossary, and then once you have that down move on to reading real shit with a dictionary until you get to the point where you don't need the dictionary any more. telling people to start memorizing vocabulary with flash cards before they can even identify which word in a sentence is the subject just sounds crazy. obviously flash cards can help you remember words that you already encountered, but trying to learn a language by memorizing vocabulary is like telling someone to learn english by reading the dictionary.

>>1218240 It's not a recent tendency, it started when ChatGPT came out and was a lot worse than it is today. Though it still makes up shit if you ask really niche questions.

>>1222141 the funny part is it used to be more accurate and helpful when you could still 'jailbreak' it. until they neutered it for good

>>1080622 Does anyone have any good kanji app recommendations? Most of the ones I try are junk

>>1224364 The real (((funny))) part is how it just so happens JP language questions are neutered but the ones for other languages still are relatively accurate. Same with MTL services, most mainstream-use languages are passable, except japanese, where translations from and to it are complete dogshit and somehow keep getting worse.

>>1226788 RTK deck for Anki. You can also do it on mobile if you want.

>>1226788 there's a decent one that just released called maneki kanji. or you could just do anki

>>1227766 Maybe because Japanese is totally different from english? I would be curious to see the results with something like arabic

>>1228767 So is chinese yet even chinese people are impressed at how good the TLs are sometimes. >But it has priority due to commercial trading. So does japanese due to media. It just boils down to (((westoids))) hating japan more than they hate china.

>>1226788 not sure what you're looking for. >kanji study. great search function that lets you specify compound length with a number, jlpt level, input runes via multi-part search, etc. relatively polished interface and has handy stroke order diagrams and animations. shortcomings are a shortage of alternate readings and alternate spellings >takoboto includes more alternate, wildcard searches, and pitch accent (if you're interested). interface is a tad more >dicttango works wonders with mdr dictionaries and lets you look up text over other apps >yomichan/yomitan/etc. is available via web browser addons >>1228767 they're hot garbage and end up dropping like 80% of the meaning for anything beyond the basics. it can't handle nuance well at all

I'm in a slump. I had two weeks of great studying and immersion but now I can't just bring myself to read or watch anything. Why the fuck is my brain like this

>>1226788 Akebi is the best if you want to mine words for your Anki deck. The UI is bit weird though. Takoboto is overall a bit better dictionary and has JP definitions for many words.

>>1080622 >Seriously attempt anki grinding daily >start getting filtered by all the similiar looking kanji lik 遠い and 速い I felt like I could make sense of it at first, but now you get taught body parts like 胸 and 腰 all having the 月 only for 肩 to throw a wrench into it all. Also doesn't help 服 gets thrown into the mix. When do kanjis start making sense.

>>1236848 肩 is a body part kanji with 月 in it tho? Tho it's not on the left side. btw a lot of body parts and organs having 月 in their kanji is because the 月 was originally a sloppily drawn 肉

>>1236848 >When do kanjis start making sense. When you learn the radicals. There are, I think, about 130 of them. When you can disassemble a kanji into its radicals, you naturally form mnemonics around those radicals. Then you realize two things: 1. the kanji you mention don't look all that similar, and 2. the commonalities between kanji are a help, not a hindrance. If there weren't radicals, kanji would each be unique pictograms with no rhyme or reason at all, and that would probably make them much harder to memorize. 肩, for example, is comprised of 月 = moon/meat 尸 = corpse. Granted, "corpsemeat = shoulder" doesn't make much logical sense, but the mnemonic will stick.

>>1236848 Keep seeing words, read more, and you'll just get it eventually. Anki grinding won't help you with this because words in isolation isn't helpful.

>>1236848 This is why some people grind the RTK for a few months before actually learning japanese.

>>1222123 I'm guessing you've never tried to learn a language with a vastly different writing system before, then. Sure, this method works fine for anything that uses the English alphabet, or is close enough that you can learn the exceptions in about an hour. The problem with logographic systems is that you don't have the base to build off, which is why people recommend learning a bit of vocab at first, because otherwise you just can't start reading to begin with because you can't recognise or sensibly categorise the words. You have to front-load the vocab, and THEN you can start reading after a month or two. If you want to do it your way, hey, there's nothing stopping you from learning kana in an hour and reading kids manga. But kanji exist to make the language easier, and you don't have the benefit of a few years worth of practice with the spoken language to fall back on.

>>1236848 Literally just read more. Anki grinding isn't gonna make you learn Japanese, it's just supplementary root memorization but by itself is literally worthless.

>>1236848 >only for 肩 to throw a wrench into it all. that means shoulder (body part) though? no idea about a pattern to tell when the 月 thingy is supposed to be straight or curve a tad to the side though >>1237684 >肩, for example has 月(にくづき i.e. 月-shaped 肉) + 戸(とびらのと i.e. 扉の戸) >>1238902 >This is why some people grind the RTK for a few months why would you do that when you can learn stuff like 泳ぐ(およぐ) means swim, 氵(さんずい aka 三水 means it has something to do with water), and it shares a reading with 永(the one from 永遠)

>>1084786 I could talk to you. I only have two questions prior: Is English your first language? Because in case we talk in both English and Russian I want to practice my English with native, not esl. What are some of your favorite games?

>>1239395 >Anki grinding isn't gonna make you learn Japanese It can though. Who says Anki cards have to be just single words? You can totally make cards with full sentences or even whole paragraphs that use the words you just learned.

>>1241307 Anki will never create the kinds of real, powerful memories that actually cause you to acquire linguistic elements. Use it as a crutch if you think it will help but do not fall for the 疑心暗記 as many have. No number of artificial exposures in Anki is going to have the power of 1 extremely memorable scene from a book or show.

ok let's see how we're doing with grammar. pick the most appropriate answer to fill in the blank >容疑者があの子_、いまいち信用できない <なので <だから <だけに <以上

>>1241307 No, it can't. You can't learn Japanese properly if you're only going with flashcards, even those with example sentences that don't have anything to do with each other, especially since Japanese is so context-dependent. You will need to actually read material made of more than a couple sentences if you want to become fluent.

>>1243009 なので

>>1236848 Stop learning like an ape. Learn radicals and kanji will feel like perfectly readable words in a square.

>>1244539 source says だけに 容疑者があの子だけに（=なので、当然）いまいち信用できない

>>1080622 Where do you guys download raw manga from? Nyaa/dlraw both use shitty low quality rips (I’m guessing from bookwalker because their reader has garbage quality too) so it blurs furigana and certain kanji with a lot of strokes. I’m already using most of my brain efforts to actually read in a foreign language, so the added stress of deciphering WHAT the kanji/kana is just makes it unnecessarily harder.

>>1243009 I am on the fence between dakara and nanode. Going for nanode. No logic behind the answer just gut instinct.

What are thoughts on Renshuu and Genki? I know myself and know I'll respond better to workbooks and "quizzes" over flashcard drilling. Re: Renshuu/Genki, I never see the former mentioned (having a few questions after each chunk of grammar + incorporating them and vocab into spaced repetition seems legit?), and the latter seems disfavored in threads. Just curious. Semi related is that i am travelling to Japan in two months and know the kana and a little grammar and a little vocab but am looking to cram, basically. I would like to be able to read a menu but I know that's going to be lots of vocab and an archetypal use case for, say, anki...

>>1250451 genki is ok, but hides complexity like most textbooks do. i.e. it will focus on what's easy for a foreigner to assimilate and shove stuff like 様子, 仕様, 場合, the differences between ほど, くらい, and 程度, and わけ under the rug >renshuu seems like an integrated website. I'd frankly focus on experiencing media and using resources to look up stuff on the go. if you need to develop active skills, you'd do shit like exercises, use templates to produce sentences, and take snippets from comments and texts you've seen to build your own.

Just read 叔母 as そば. It's over for me

>>1253700 {伯母・叔母・小母} = おば = aunt {伯母} = おば｜はくぼ = older sister of the father or mother {叔母} = おば = younger sister of the father or mother {小母} = おば = "aunt", an older woman who one is not related to by blood or marriage

>>1248928 animebytes

>>1254132 sucks for raw manga and linnies tbdesu

>>1254198 i could find most manga ive wanted there but yeah as for linnies i just look them up on themoeway

>>1238890 >>1237684 I feel like these are completely opposite pieces of advice. I'm in the same place as >>1236848, is there a good deck for learning and memorizing radicals if they're that helpful?

>>1254959 The sooner you accept it as truth, the quicker you'll actually start acquiring instead of """learning""" (and wondering why nothing sticks). The whole reason people push immersion, reading more, listening more, is because even if you don't understand lots of it, you will still encounter things you do remember that will stick with you even if you don't want them to or need them to. The obsession with >card everything, or you didn't learn it leads people down a dangerous path of eternal ankidroning when they should be immersing more and building confidence in their reading and listening skills. The "2 more weeks" meme in anki terms is "2000 more cards" - cards that will get you nowhere. Someone who sees 風声鶴唳 in an Anki deck will never remember it. But someone who hears it in a show or sees it in a book will remember it.

>>1254959 You guys fell for the anki meme (it's why I discourage using it) and you're now demotivated, which is the number one pitfall learners fall into, basically you shouldn't over rely on it because just doing "anki reps" will lead you nowhere besides circlejerking about your anki stats with other anki drones and getting demotivated. Do what >>1255015 said and start immersing (reading, watching, listening, writing) ASAP. Put that knowledge to use, and don't be afraid to open a dictionary if there's a word that you don't know. You'll have 1000% more fun and you will start actually learning the language.

>>1255015 I never understood the hate for anki. usually the grievances I hear are based on misunderstandings. you don't hear med school students bitching about anki not getting them straight As as they're competent enough to be aware that it's a powerful supplement that aids memorization, not an outright substitute for studying >acquiring instead of """learning""" you're drawing a distinction without a difference. most people would consider knowing the usage of words mandatory. >>1255323 you learn stuff through focused study (i.e. look for usage examples of とうとう, あっと, and ついに), not by aimlessly reading and watching stuff hoping you one day come across a word you need. both work, but the latter alone takes much, much longer. and don't forget that active skills are developed by using the language

>>1255015 >>1255323 >>1255605 Not to derail the discussion but I'm pretty sure I'd benefit from knowing radicals regardless and that seems like something anki or similar would help with memorizing.

>>1255776 https://www.kanjidamage.com/ kanjidamage may help you much better to memorize kanji characters through radicals, although I'd recommend using an additional dictionary resource (be Takoboto, Jisho, etc.) for more definitions and word compounds

>>1255806 Cool, I'll give it a try. Thanks.

>>1255824 don't. dedicated moonrune study is a bad idea. just look them up along with words

>>1255605 >あっと やっと keyboard fucked up

>>1254959 >I feel like these are completely opposite pieces of advice. The question was "how do I get a handle on these crazy moon squiggles" and my advice to that is a little different from learning the language generally. For the latter question, I favor the immersive approach, with anki as a supplementary review for uncommon words. As to the question of struggling with kanji, I mostly meant to convey that radicals exist and you must learn to decompose kanji— that such a thing is possible might not be immediately apparent. >is there a good deck for learning and memorizing radicals if they're that helpful? I wouldn't bother; you'll learn many of the radicals by learning N5 and N4. But therein lies the rub: to learn the most basic, irreducible elements of the writing system requires memorization of a couple hundred pieces of mostly abstract data. Anki might accelerate the process, and it's up to you if or how much time you want to invest without any guarantee of a return. Just don't get sucked into front-loading someone else's 5000 word deck because you're afraid of getting "filtered" by the difficulty of reading. I feel like I should also mention KRADFILE (http://ftp.usf.edu/pub/ftp.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/) which I use in my personal tools, but I don't know what you would do with that if you're not a programmer.

>>1254959 >I feel like these are completely opposite pieces of advice. no they aren't. taking advantage of moonrunes' tricks is always good. western resources don't give them enough credit. see >>1094162 for some everyone says focus on words because focusing solely on moonrunes would be like focusing on english etymology instead of learning words and their usage. besides, ateji exist (words that use the characters solely for their readings), like 沢山(たくさん), 多分(たぶん), 合羽(かっぱ, do not confuse with 河童(the youkai)), etc.

I hate Anki but without it I can't retain words for shit.

>>1236848 This is normal. Keep practicing writing kanji by hand. You'll see the parts a lot better after the few couple hundred kanji. >>1254959 Not really. You'll pick up the radicals naturally, and you can also look them up as you go.

>>1255806 >>1255824 >>1256022 It was helpful in getting used to "seeing" kanji and building more confidence when I first started but nothing was truly understandable until I started reading daily. The one thing people constantly fail at realizing is that you might "know" a word or kanji but in reality you have no idea how to apply it in the language itself. That's why immersion is important.

Does anyone have games they recommend to start building fluency? I'm a genuine beginner, but I can read kana well enough that I'm comfortable jumping into the deep end of that tier. I just don't have nearly enough Kanji to be able to do literally anything yet.

>>1260146 something simple with little text like mega man games or tloz, something repetitive like an RPG where you'll read messages like "まもののむれが あらわれた" and menu commands like "こうげき," "じゅもん," "どうぐ," "ぼうぎょ," etc. a gorillion times. still, no matter what you start with, you'll be swamped with vocabulary. people don't speak arranged by jlpt level.

why would are you still posting in this absolute bottom-of-the-barrel shithole when 4chan is back up, you unbelievable turbofaggots

>>1260381 but /djt/ is b& on sight outside of /jp/, even on the heavily JP-adjacent boards on top of jannies being staunchly anti-JP /djt/ being permitted on 4/v/ would've been great motivation

>>1260381 why are you? JLTs have existed on /v/ since the gg exodus

>>1260146 My own answers to this question were, in hindsight, retarded. >I know: I'll play FF6, because I already know the script But that ultimately didn't prepare me to parse sentences or identify kanji, and I got nowhere. >A brawler with pretensions of having a story, because the language is simple and sparse But the text that was there was full of うりゃあうりゃああ animeisms I didn't understand, and couldn't parse because it was all so ungrammatical. >Shin Megami Tensei, because it's mostly kana But kanji are the only way to disambiguate homophones when you don't know anything. I think I had more success with FF4, because that was mostly kana, and I also knew the meaning of most of the text. But even then, I don't think I persisted well enough to get a foothold. I vaguely remember feeling like I wasn't really understanding anything. Come to think of it, I don't remember how things started to click, but it wasn't by playing games on a rasterized display. That is, in an OS window where you can't click-drag to copy the text. Or perhaps, since this is no longer the technological dark age of 2003, you should pick a recent rerelease of one of the Paper Mario games— I think those have furigana and nice, easy to read fonts.

>>1260509 you're admit you were frequenting this dumpster fire of a board before the downtime? that's crazy

>>1260146 Anything that lets you take your time and look up words is fine.

>>1267902 Asked in another bread since it was relevant to it, but you guys could help me out. Just wanted to know if the -ssu some characters add to their sentences, which I assume to be a contraction of desu, is used in informal everyday dialogue or just happens to be anime retardation.

>>1268041 reminds me of gumshoe in ace attorneyっす localization changed it to pal, which seems to fit despite being inaccurate, just like 'mystic maya' for mayoi-sama with all the supernatural spirit medium stuff

>>1260548 >you should pick a recent rerelease of one of the Paper Mario games— I think those have furigana and nice, easy to read fonts. The N64 game doesn't have furigana, but the rest do

>>1260146 Also see >>1089962 & >>1093125 for vidya recommendations

日本語 → 日本語 dictionaries are amazing

>>1272896 Very true. Looking up とんかち in an JP->EN dictionary gets you "hammer", but in a native dictionary you get much more interesting information. https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%A8%E3%82%93%E3%81%8B%E3%81%A1

It took 15~ minutes and a document open but i read the first half of the first chapter of yotsuba. Felt good.

>>1268041 It's something some young people actually use. It's considered fairly informal.

>>1081552 Definitely korean for the next coming years chinese might be a good choice too

How do you actually practice grammar? Obviously you can "learn" it pretty easily but that doesn't really translate into understanding every time you hear or read a sentence.

>>1277115 >a. you find example sentences with that grammar point and ask yourself why it was used >b. you take a template and make sentences <ビールさえあれば平気 <雨さえ降らなければ野球ができるのに <暇さえあればジムに通っている <この靴、サイズはもう一回り大きければ履けるのに

I'm deathly afraid of mistakes when making sentences. My only output so far has been それな because I can't fuck that up

>>1279410 you have to use the language or you won't get past babyspeak. if you can't handle writing entire sentences then look for textbook or jlpt exercises >わたしの.......な曲は「beat it」です >今日はおすしを......ます >この.......(服)はちょっときついです >スーパーに.........に行きます >メアリーさんは田中さん.......背が高い >>A: あ、暇で退屈ですね。。。 >>B: じゃあ、.........に行きませんか? (picture of cinema) etc. or something more intricate/harder if you think that's artificial canned garbage and insist on 'actual, real conversation' then you'll have to resort to taking snippets from real conversations (talk shows, game shows, radio hosts, the news, some guy's vlog, a jikkyou play, etc.).

>>1198223 lmao, programming is just English and basic logic shit.

is it bad to watch a 実況プレイ? I can't stomach horror games so I watched ナナシノゲエム, plus the extra commentary felt like listening practice

>>1310613 I've never found it useful to "passively absorb" language. I've done a few 切り抜き and that, I think, is excellent practice. You have to listen more closely to make sure that what you think you're hearing is literally what's being said, and think more carefully about nuance so that your interpretation is correct.

>>1105241 Let's Learn Japanese basic is actually good

>>1277115 I did it by playing Yu-Gi-Oh! in Japanese. To play Yu-Gi-Oh you have to read paragraphs like this: >①：１ターンに１度、このカードのＸ素材を１つ取り除き、以下の効果から１つを選択して発動できる。この効果は相手ターンでも発動できる。●相手フィールドにセットされた魔法・罠カード１枚を対象として発動できる。このカードがモンスターゾーンに存在する限り、そのカードは発動できない。●フィールドの植物族モンスター１体を対象として発動できる。その植物族モンスターを裏側守備表示にする。●フィールドの表側表示モンスター１体を対象として発動できる。そのモンスターの攻撃力は３００アップする。 dozens of times per hour, understand them, and then prove that you understood them by being able to interact with them correctly. If you're wrong, the game corrects you by showing you what the card actually does. It's the best grammar training I know of.

The more I learn, the closer I am to Buddhism Alternatively, the less you know about Buddhism, the less you understand nip

>>1313642 Used to get up early to watch that on public access TV. Rather nostalgic. >>1333507 This sounds like a shitpost, but is literally true.

Well, Google Translate is shit.

>>1336810 What the fuck? > ['うんげん', 'うげん', '繧繝', '暈繝'] ungen ['method of dyeing in which a color repeatedly goes from dense to diffuse, diffuse to dense - imported from western China and used in Buddhist pictures, temple ornaments, etc., during the Nara and Heian periods'] >english detected

>>1336832 (me) That was deepl.

>>1200659 is there a texthook that works with this?

>>1354974 I was able to hook it with LunaTranslator.

>goo dictionary shuuting down at the end of june fuuuuuuuuuuck. it was an excellent resource.

This thread has given me the motivation to get back on the Anki horse again. Thanks for helping me, guys.

>>1356916 Well, this sucks. I loved that dictionary too. Wonder what are the comparable alternatives now.

>>1366888 (checked) I hope someone has dumped their database. it's just insane to just pull it down without any recourse. it's the equivalent of the dictionaries on your bookshelves just vanishing one day

Well that took forever. Probably wont fire up another deck for a little while.

Right now I'm using YomiNinja for OCR -> Yomitan for mining workflow, but sometimes YomiNinja reads things wrong. Any other OCR program you guys recommend? Even if it can't integrate Yomitan directly I'll just do the extra step myself, the most important part is quickly being able to extract the kanji from the visuals.

>>1412893 Cloe works pretty well for me. There's a demonstration on the github page, though despite what the demonstration shows, I've found it works better on smaller amounts of text. Give it a too much and it'll start misinterpreting kanji. https://github.com/blueaxis/Cloe I use this with a Yomitan search tab open on another monitor, set to monitor the clipboard. Scanned text is copied to the clipboard and immediately searched in Yomitan. They're probably all based on MangaOCR, but with Cloe at least you can adjust the scanning region and have it rescan until it works.

>>1439896 Why is tonegawa patting down kaiji

>>1440416 Kaji is learning about passive conjugation.

Anyone has success with ALG?

>>1443161 ざわ･･ざわ･･

Finally got to the end of genki II. Honestly, I still think it's pretty good overall. I'll probably move on to going through imabi now but I think I'll miss the questions that help cement the lessons into your brain. Also takeshi is definitely the authors beating stick. Even if he gets into some kind of relationship with mary it's still feels pretty rough for him.

Hello friends! The OP seems to have some dead links, and I found a package in my old files that used to be in the OP back in the day (before the site migrated). Someone should put it there next time. This is what I used and it's honestly pretty good. https://gofile.io/d/wcf2tC

>>1512268 Thanks anon.

>>1512268 >>1518722 Lol, just realized the pack I shared doesn't have all the anki decks described in the instructions. Below is the correct version with missing decks: https://gofile.io/d/LlOfx0

>>1519092 Is there a place were I could find these resources with updated links?

>>1519405 You can probably find most of them using these sites https://fmhy.net/readingpiracyguide#manga

I want to start playing Pokemon Black, is Yomininja the only way to have a dictionary for an emulator or are there other ways?

N4 test is on sunday. I'm a bit nervous about the listening section. It's decently simple but last time for the N5 the reverb in the room was so awful I could barely make out anything and only just passed.

Well I took the N4. Just like last time, I had to sit behind some dude who smelled. And also just like last time the reverb in the room during the listening section was awful. Like listening to takeshi san through a fucking sewer pipe. Idk, think I did alright though.

>>1539789 why did you take the n5 & n4? only n2 and up are useful

>>1539947 For fun basically. Also to give myself a kick in the ass and get to studying.

>>1539947 NTA but I think it's fun to signal steps in your journey that way (even if the JLPT tests are kind of a meme). If you don't make things feel special from time to time, life loses its spark

>>1541335 >JLPT tests are kind of a meme only because most actually learning to use the language is up to you most learners are content with being half-literate mimes, which is I find very depressing

>>1106063 Cure Dolly is literally the only grammar instruction that isn't massively damaging to your Japanese, but even then her views on immersion were bad because you'll never become fluent at speaking or listening with it. Tbh most of her opinions outside of the actual grammar structure were bad. Still worth a skim through all her grammar vids so you have a general idea of just wtf is going on in written Japanese

>>1117508 Learning english is legitimately not that hard, especially how ESLs do it, as in, through vidya/movie/internet immersion when they are kids, especially when they are taking advantage of the plasticity of their young brains. But japanese? Not only it's legitimately difficult, most people do it well into their 20s when their brains calcified. What's more, people learning japanese tend to be desperate for a method to become fluent RIGHT THIS FUCKING INSTANT which is ripe grounds for scams.

>>1611295 Also in favour of cure dolly, she's basically the only one actively explaining in a straightforward way without trying to string you along to grift you. I don't see the problem with her opinions tho.

>>1612501 >the problem with her opinions tho. A few of them come across as sour grapes, she's passive aggressive against top down language acquisition and gets pissed at people caring about not having an accent because millions of 3rd worlders speak English poorly so why should anyone care about speaking Japanese poorly. Both of these griefs are related to her immersion method, which is pretty much guaranteed to give you a bad accent with poor pronunciation, as is any method that relies on the understanding of a written language before understanding the spoken language

>>1612501 >without trying to string you along to grift you. At the end of her very first video she tells you to buy her book.

>>1614023 Which you can fully ignore because all the info is on her jewtube videos.

>>1613216 > top down language acquisition What is even that?

>>1614246 It's a term she used for learning a language through "fuzzy understanding" of speech

>>1614246 https://www.languagepointtraining.com/post/top-down-and-bottom-up-approaches-to-language-what-is-the-difference

>>1614488 >>1614506 Thanks for the explanation bros.

>>1612318 as if. learning proper english to an acceptable level (i.e. blending in) is not trivial. just phonology alone is enough of a kick to the balls (e.g. strong and weak forms, dealing with clusters, unreleased plosives, devoicing, multiple accepted pronunciations for some words). then you have the gorillion phrasal verbs with a zillion meanings, which are highly reminiscent of jukujikun since all too often the words have little to do with the meaning (e.g. phone it in? oh yeah it has to do with journalists in the '30s calling the office to break a story to the editor because they're too busy chasing after their next scoop and can't be assed to write a proper article. you can totally tell that at first glance right. also see mail it in) >>1117508 because japanese is infamous for having shit learning materials (and the good stuff doesn't get much publicity), and the massive hole has yet to be filled. while there's an astronomical amount of interest, the learning curve is unforgivingly steep, leading to high drop-off rates and a constantly renewing stream of clueless dopes ready to get duped. basically, there are no go-to sites to check whether something is grammatical and sounds natural. furthermore, there are very few explanations on WHY stuff is used (the dojg try in this regard but they're not quite enough), resources differentiating similar words (e.g. 方向 vs 方位 vs 方角 vs 方面) are scarce. you have dictionaries of synonyms for this purpose, but surprise surprise they're monolingual above all, the biggest hurdle is not having people you can consult to tell you how they'd go about expressing certain ideas coupled with an inability to guess due to english and japanese being so far apart (野次馬(onlookers when there's a tragedy)? wtf is that? wtf do you mean "you're right" is あなたの言うとおりだ?). something as trivial as "this is for you" or "how does it work?" turns into a nightmare in japanese.

>>1635470 >no go-to sites to check whether something is grammatical and sounds natural I use grok and it's actually been pretty decent so far.

Can anyone recommend any good on-screen machine translators for Android? Before you ask, yes I am learning Japanese, but I like it when I have a translator that is available on any screen automatically which I can turn on to 'check my work' so to speak.

>>1089217 I wanted to apply for N1 in december. The signup was in july and was closed after a week...

>>1644998 Yeah the sign up period is only like a couple weeks. But it's always around the same times I think.

>>1645639 signed up for N2. should I have gone for N1 considering the passing mark is a mere 100/180 points or is it that much harder?