>body type It's shit.

>>1080725 (OP) If I can't lewd the people through uncomfortable social interactions, then I don't care. Nice looking at least though

Is the currency gonna be jaw bone shavings? How many of these are gonna buy me a new pair of rollerblades?

Can you make them not look like chinks?

Also this looks like one of those western h-games with prerendered 3d graphics but with a higher budget.

>>1080768 C'mon anon, don't be racist. They're gooks.

>>1080728 Get fucked. >>1080768 You can make them look like niggers so yes.

>>1080755 I'm sure those will be the first mods to be implemented, depending on how moddable they plan to make this game

>>1080772 If you make them look like niggers, do they automatically get the "Steal your bike" trait? Or is it just the "Dindu nuffin" trait?

I'm more curious about Paralives because it has more creative freedom. In Inzoi you can't change height nor change your body too much for now because of animations and also you can't make cities from zero (for now). If I can't make a 7 or 8 feet tall obese man working out to become a culturist makes it hard for my enjoyment.

>>1080768 They did a limited character creator release a while ago, but they're releasing it to everyone in a few days.

>>1080725 (OP) I really like what they're promising, but my computer is way too old to run it, so I have to settle for waiting for Paralives or for someone at Paradox to leak the 100% complete copy of Life By You, because kill yourselves, Paradox, for not releasing a LITERALLY COMPLETED GAME like Battlefront 3.

>>1080800 Oh fuck, the mods…

>>1080772 It shows it on the Steam Page. Also what the fuck is the pad and paper icon to the right of it for?

>>1080725 (OP) Is it weird that upon seeing the first screenshot I immediately thought of a car accident?

What is the Early Access price in the end?

>>1080847 $40. Someone on the Steam forums said it would have a discount as well, but nothing like that's been announced.

>>1080848 Uf, I'm really tempted. What are the details about the online? to make a 8moe shitposting comunity.

>>1080848 >>1080851 Depending on how scumy they might go with the DLC/Expansion, 40$ will either be an excellent price or a shit one.

>>1080852 Well, they are koreans after all, that makes me wary.

>>1080851 Right now it's just for sharing things. No current plans for multiplayer but they'd "listen to player requests", so it will probably be DLC.

>>1080854 That's enouth, to make 8moe neirbourhood where the feds dedicates a satelite to spy on it exclusively.

Honestly this is how Sims 4 would had looked like if EA didn't decided on cartoon art direction.

Last time I gave a Korean game a chance they smacked me back with a gacha.

>>1080809 Given how Cities Skylines 2 released and all news of Bloodlines 2, I fully suspect Life By You was a total cluster fuck rather than anything anyone would want to play.

Demo's out

>>1081044 >can't make deformed freak in character demo unless you watch 30 mins of stream This is some advanced bullshit

>>1080725 (OP) Can you imagine the mods? >>1080800 <Korean loli This is gonna be great!

>>1081059 That is pretty gay. Whatever it takes to inflate their numbers I guess.

>>1081059 >>1081077 He's so beautiful <3 (also I guess PNG files are bad to upload?)

>>1081097 Yeah, it was recently used as a vector of attack against the site >>>/site/10103 hopefully the moderation will find a solution soon enough.

>>1081098 I was wondering what was up with that. >>1080884 Hopefully it does well enough to force EA to actually try again for once.

>>1081169 Didn't they just abandon Sims 5 and hint they're moving toward a GaaS model for Sims 4?

>>1081198 yes, although maybe this will wake up EA and realize they have completion. I sure hope they don't.

I made a Zoi

>>1081250 She's so CUTE!

>>1081254 Damn right

>>1080800 >>1081250 Really cute, it seems like the character creator might be a big draw for potential players, depending on how detailed you can get. I've heard people say that they doubt the game will be successful because it lack the cartoonish look, but the realism of these characters might actually bring people in rather than push them away. Personally I'm interested in how extensive the customization for the body is and what kinds of sliders there are. >>1081044 >Have to make a separate account and link it >No streams on Steam to watch >Have to go through even more steps to link and watch a stream on Twitch I think I'll wait until the 23rd when it becomes available for everyone.

>>1081250 >>1081314 Yep, this game will massively take off simply because of sex mods.

>>1081440 Furry sex mods.

>>1080800 Please make more gooklolis anons.

>>1080800 >>1081505 Seconded.

How do I get the demo? Tried steam but it only mentions something about watching some twitch stream for 30 minutes. That can't be true, right? Where's the download link??

>>1081659 You have to make and account with them, link your steam, wishlist the game and then either wait for a stream on the Steam game page or link to a Twitch account and watch there. All just to play the demo a few days early. It will be a regular demo download tomorrow.

>>1081661 That condom is edited in the image with photoshop, right? There isn't a condom model in the game… right?

>>1081664 The game can turn any image into an ingame model

>>1081666 Looks like the condom didn't work.

>>1081666 >The game can turn any image into an ingame model I'm sorry, what?

https://archive.ph/jFpQs <it's true Do they not have any idea what they've unleashed?

>>1081679 >>1081680 Dude, holy shit, why haven't I heard about this game until now?

>>1081680 A "Sims killer," apparently.

>>1081680 >Do they not have any idea what they've unleashed? Something, something, how will they nickle and dime us with DLC now?

>>1081661 Fake news (kind of). If you are on Steam you don't need to link anything. Just watch the stream inside steam for 30 mins and the demo appears in your library.

I hope it works good with the Steam Deck.

Not going to bother downloading it on mine, but apparently some people are playing on it. Can't imagine they're having a good time though.

Saw LGR cover this. It's kind of insane the tools they are wanting to include. >IMG-to-3D-object is neat, but should probably be limited to small objects since quality falls apart in areas of the model >there's a mobile app integration that does face capture so you can be a vtuber with a zoi + body mo-cap support if you have the equipment >you can AI-generate textures which is useful for the devs/publisher since they won't have to PAY to license those images. (requires online) >customizable sections for some clothing & furniture (combine any top + legs for table or chair for example) >if you check a box in settings you can drive around in the cars yourself instead of having it done automatically <although "some" clothing has customizable parts for mesh & texture, MAJORITY of clothing customization is texture-only <mesh sliders in char creator are NOT generous <there are very distracting artifacts from UE's lighting engine Lumen (I hear they need to update UE to fix this) <some do, but majority of lights do not cast shadows (again, I hear updating UE will provide better optimization for this so all lights could do shadows) <home editor is jank with things not working sometimes + obnoxious camera inertia <much like the sims, there are multiple age groups that look identical LGR Plays InZoi: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EugOpciXmiY There's probably more I'm forgetting. Seems they are trying to cram in so much shit that I dunno how they are going to keep it from falling into a buggy mess.

>>1082030 >you can be a vtuber with a zoi + body mo-cap support if you have the equipment This idea is so hilarious to me that I'm actually depressed, for the first time, that I only have a 15 year old CPU and 10 year old GPU and can't play this game. Holy shit. >much like the sims, there are multiple age groups that look identical Probably due to sociopsychological restrictions imposed on the studio to ensure no one can make "child" ZOIs.

>>1081821 Wonder what the potential is here for lewd mods. You can do any small object, practically, which has a lot of flexibility for things. >>1080842 Might be autistic customization option. Notably the demo also shows 'Gender' as the option. Body type might've been changed in favor of Gender.

>>1082037 >Probably due to sociopsychological restrictions imposed on the studio to ensure no one can make "child" ZOIs. You can make children with Child Age group. Already demonstrated here: >>1080800 What I'm talking about is Teenager, Young Adult & Adult look identical. Middle age adds some wrinkles. Old Age adds wrinkles + posture change. But yeah, three of the age groups look no different. Teenager should at least be shorter since the jump between Child & Teenager is retarded. Here's an exact timecode link for where this is mentioned: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EugOpciXmiY&t=191s

>>1082083 Oh yeah, just like the Sims. Makes sense. They don't want short adults; that would let people have loli fantasies since adult ZOIs would have sex interaction flags available. That's what I'm talking about (and why "child" was in quotes).

>>1082037 >I'm actually depressed, for the first time, that I only have a 15 year old CPU and 10 year old GPU and can't play this game. Mine aren't quite as old but they aren't very new either. I finally got the demo and tried it out and it sounds like my fans are going to start spinning fast enough to lift my PC off of my desk. >>1082030 <mesh sliders in char creator are NOT generous Noticed that right away too. The difference between the two extremes is noticeable, but you definitely go in expecting things to go further, but they don't.

Demo is fully out now.

How long until we get height sliders and maybe city building?

>>1082126 My primary problem will be vRAM. Steam lists the minimum requirements as demanding 6 gigs, and I only have 4. I played a modern game that demanded 6 a few months back. It was that "Subnautica but an airship on a dead world" game. It actually fucking ran. I'm used to playing games at 20 FPS, so that didn't bother me. What bothered me was the fact that the requirements only seemed to be there because the game wasn't optimized and all of the environmental visual effects of thousands of objects flying around in the air were all actively modeled, rather than being part of the skybox or just scripted despite you never being able to interact with them in the first place. Maybe inZOI can run on my GPU, maybe not. I'll have to see.

Test of the video to animation

>>1082232 that's something that really annoys me, like yeah having graphical fidelity is nice and all but when visuals are put on a higher priority than actually getting to do things I've lost interest, having more interactions is the main thing that appeals to me in a sims game, if there was a game competing with the sims that had virtually no limitations on what the "sims" could do but severely limited the poly count on models, I'd probably play that instead since inzoi is done in unreal engine I do worry about just how moddable it will actually be, like the later sims games a lot of hackery had to be done to allow more control with sliders or tacking on features, just look at how finnicky kinkyworld was

>>1082248 >if there was a game competing with the sims that had virtually no limitations on what the "sims" could do but severely limited the poly count on models, I'd probably play that instead Absolutely. That's part of the reason I was so upset at the cancellation of Life By You. Paradox explicitly designed it to be as moddable as possible (like all their games), so anything it might lack could simply be added by the community later. If it's anything like their mainline games, it would've been relatively easy to understand how to do that, too. Seriously, someone needs to fucking leak that shit. It was one week away from being released (in EA), and therefore the game itself was clearly complete. >like the later sims games a lot of hackery had to be done to allow more control with sliders or tacking on features, just look at how finnicky kinkyworld was You're right. I know that Sims 4 still has the 8 sim limit hardcoded. Yes, you can technically use a mod to add more than 8 in a household, but the INSTANT you go to the Create-A-Sim menu in any way, all but the first 8 are erased forever and there's no way around that. It's weird.

Somehow my Zoi made it into the top ten.

>>1082338 #10? Very nice, anon. She's a pleasant enough, vaguely Euro-Asian lady. #9 is just Bryan Dechart.

>>1082338 Just make Jeremy Meeks to make it to the top 1

>>1082037 >you can be a vtuber with a zoi + body mo-cap support if you have the equipment Saw someone from Hololive play it and the tracking is pretty impressive. The mouth movement is off though.

>>1082459 When the facial tracking works properly, it's definitely a bit uncanny, it looks a bit too real. And when it glitches it feels unsettling for a different reason. Just goes to show how the usual live2D sock puppet vtubers and their movements really are easer to watch. If the vtuber trend somehow started with these models, it probably wouldn't have exploded in popularity as much. But I digress. It is funny to see her usual live2D model at the bottom corner, frozen, unblinking like a discarded husk of a body. >>1082338 Life sim players really do like their men with piercings, don't they? That aside, congrats on making it to the top ten, I'd use her in my town or city if I could somehow run this game. >>1082344 >#9 is just Bryan Dechart. True, though my first thought was that he kind of looks like Nick Jonas. >>1082248 >having graphical fidelity is nice and all but when visuals are put on a higher priority than actually getting to do things I've lost interest, having more interactions is the main thing that appeals to me in a sims game I agree. The more cartoonish look and exaggerated motions/expressions that The Sims is known for is not a recipe for automatic success like some seem to think it is. A game with less of that but focuses on higher detailed characters/environments can potentially be more successful. But if a ton of focus is put into making things look pretty, the game will become a shiny wasteland with robotic denizens, which is exactly what a sims game does not want to have. The mindset of the devs behind this game is probably "go big or go home", pushing the graphics to insane levels to get attention and impress potential players. But if they dialed back the graphics a bit, made the game less of a burden to run, and made sure there were enough interactions, the game could maybe be more fun to play. But there is also the risk of it not standing out enough.

>>1082459 >Julia Roberts mouth I think that might just be based on the model settings. If not, it definitely needs fixed. It's really quite impressive for literally the first effort being made, however, other than that.

>>1082344 >>1082461 Thanks, she made it to #6 and then mysteriously disappeared from the top 20. Can't image why she'd be removed.

>>1080800 >>1081263 >>1081661 >>1081666 >>1081821 >>1082233 >>1082463 Holy hell. This game is either going to be a wet fart or it's going to be an SFM-tier moment in the history of vidya porn.

Only a few more days for korean Sims. Which city are you people going to visit and modify?

>>1082556 All the niggers

>>1082524 The key will be having a simple way to export your ZOI models to other platforms, I think. Not that building custom animations in the game won't happen–The Sims proves people are quite capable of that. But I can see the game selling gangbusters if it gives people a super-simple way to design a character, export it to Blender or something, and then go to town literally and figuratively on them.

>Min Req is a 2060 I guess I'm sitting this one out.

>>1082579 >AI slop perhaps you deserve it.

>>1082593 >caring about AI being used for dumb memes The 'tism runs strong in you

>>1082593 How could you tell that was AI?

>>1082599 AI never gets the number of nuggets right

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2456740/inZOI/ ' Denuvo added without proper notice. Actually illegal in EU. Hope they get fucked.

>>1082618 please point where it says "denuvo", did ctrl f and found nothing

>>1082626 It's mentioned in the comments.

>>1082626 Just googled it and it seems the game actually has Denuvo. It's a massive disappointment, but I want to be proven wrong.

>>1082626 Oh, just realized the link went to the store page instead of the news page where they complain about MUH PIRACY and comments show it got Denuvoed https://steamcommunity.com/app/2456740/eventcomments/599647812318198484?snr=1_5_9_

Well, shall we recycle this thread into a Paralives thread?

>>1082628 >comments I'm an apache helicopter anon >>1082629 >google Google says you're gay >>1082630 >News page Read it but didn't find anything Sounds like schizo fabs are just daily occurrences now. Someone says something dumb and everyone believes them.

>>1082647 >Google says you're gay Just checked and it doesn't Anyway, I will wait mostly because the game looks incredibly good for fun purposes... and other things. But still.

>>1082618 >>1082630 For piratefags and mods this almost doesn't matter if the demo exe they released is similar enough to the full game exe.

One more fucking around with the facial tracking since some anons may find this detail interesting.

>>1082747 God, what an ugly language

>>1082644 I think there'll be plenty to talk about with InZOI for a while, but there's no reason not to make this a Sims-like thread in general, sure. Still no release date for Paralives except "2025." and Life By You still hasn't been leaked from Paradox, so I guess the only other thing we have to look forward to is the Games As A Service, Always-Online Sims 5 where every single in-game action is a microtransaction.

>>1082749 Southeast Asian is as close as I can place it. I can tell the languages apart written better than heard. But yes.

>>1082749 >>1082762 It's Indonesian, I'm pretty sure.

>>1082647 At least indonesian sounds much better than korean and chinese.

>>1082618 This anon was correct, but they've now removed it.

>>1082618 >>1082816 >adds Denuvo >removes Denuvo within a day to support modding I'm surprised they seemingly weren't aware Denuvo locks down the files entirely. It's like suits buy this shit having no idea what it does, just thinking it's some magical middleware that increases sales.

>>1082816 >from the Early Access build of That's suspiciously specific.

>>1082825 Maybe, but it would be odd for them to add mod-breaking software back in after making such a big deal about modding. Plus if that happens I'll just pirate the EA version, mods matter more than whatever DLC they add when the game is finished.

>>1082824 >It's like suits buy this shit having no idea what it does I mean you are technically right; since 2/3 of the industry really dont know what this shit does!

>>1082824 >I'm surprised they seemingly weren't aware Denuvo locks down the files entirely. >It's like suits buy this shit having no idea what it does Unironically they don't, they actually don't. I follow some AAA/mobile gamedevs on shitter and on the few occasions the topic has come up it's very obvious they genuinely do not understand how Denuvo works. They seem to think it's a phone home or always online form of DRM, and spout the usual "huehuehue you're always online anyway bro what's it matter lolol" arguments from 2010 in its defense.

>>1082338 Because she's so CUTE! Rosé #5, interesting.

>>1082921 >Rosé The overwhelming majority of people here have no idea who that is.

>>1082338 Why does everyone have those gay Tom Hardy lips?

>>1082981 That reminds me to ask: DId they fix everyone looking like a Korean in makeup no matter what you did?

>>1082860 That's even more retarded and even more of a reason not to buy. Jesus Christ. Btw how's the game?

>>1082981 >>1082987 Skill issue.

>>1083004 Oh shit, it's Vinny Vinesauce.

>>1083004 Literally me

>>1082860 Are you an AAA dev yourself?

Will be getting the full game in a few hours.

>>1082921 >>1082967 https://archive.ph/admPa

>>1083450 Me too, anon. How the hell is this game only 20 GB? You'd think with the open world, the fidelity, and all the tracking, AI genned models, etc it would be bigger than <1/15 of CoD

>>1083451 Hopefully it doesn't have another big download once the game is 'ready'.

>>1083453 oh god, yeah, I didn't think of the fact that it might have a launcher setup. 20 GB would be a very heavy launcher though. Just checked, and 1 hour and 1 minute after release, it is #1 top selling on Steam, with over 46,000 already in-game.

>>1083454 It's getting to 50k easy

It seemed to be slowing, but it got to 50 pretty fast.

>>1083455 it's already at 51k, it took them less than 10 minutes to pass that mark

>>1083447 Interesting, so there are no skirt options for child zois? I can take a guess as to why, but it's a shame. That takes away some perfectly good fashion options. >>1083459 Now I'm seeing over 54k on my end. Very good numbers for something that came out a few hours ago. At this rate it will easily outdo AC Shadows.

Here is my Zoi please say something nice about her

>>1083463 I don't like buns, but cute. Based redhead enjoyer.

>>1083463 She's very cute, pretty hair as well, she seems like she'd be fun to spend time with. Good job for making her hair red.

>>1083462 >I can take a guess as to why There's literally an underwear option (though I have no idea if they have anything better than the previous demo, where everyone had ugly underwear).

>>1083473 I didn't notice anything extra in terms of clothing. Even with adult women, dresses seem to hold black voids. Game is alright so far, but some of these interactions definitely feel wonky. Had the daughter cooking dinner, had the father ask her to make him a meal. She finishes the meal she was working on, and sets it on the table in front of him. He was hungry, but he immediately picks up dinner, throws it away, and does the dishes.

>>1083463 I want her to serve me tea

So, how is it?

>>1083528 Won't have time to really try it until tonight, but it's good so far.

>>1083447 >Can't find suitable look since Teenager is literally just a 1:1 clone of Adult age group See: >>1082083 >Teenager, Young Adult & Adult look identical >Teenager should at least be shorter since the jump between Child & Teenager is retarded. Restricted clothing options for Child age group just makes it worse. >>1082816 >removed Denuvo because it kills mod support Gonna need those mods.

>>1083533 Nude mod already, but it's behind a Patreon.

Can anyone confirm?

>>1083548 It does have custom genders I believe. Thought it could be useful to make futas.

>>1083548 Looking at some recent gameplay footage, I stumbled on this random streamer(I filtered by recent upload). https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VOJMFgOqSdk At 14:49 she briefly hovers the mouse over the edit button near the gender options, and it says: "Change Gender Identity". I have no idea what it does, but the edit button did exist in one of the previews before the demo came out >>1080772 (Me). At the time I did not notice that edit button, but it does show that the button did exist from before the demo. So what does it do? https://archive.ph/wip/LQnJY >Just to the right of the gender selection is an icon that looks like pencil and paper, as shown in the image above. This is easily overlooked, but it's the section where you choose your character's crucial information for gender identity and dating. >If you miss this step, you'll be assigned a straight, cis-gendered character, and it can make for some awkward encounters if you're planning on flirting and romancing queer characters. >This lets you choose between genders and non-binary, whether your character is interested in romantic relationships, and who your character can be attracted to. >For the attraction, you can choose all that apply: <Male <Female <Non-binary

Sage for double post >>1083556 Forgot the picture from the Gamespot article.

>>1083548 >more in-game options for a customized life-sim are bad because ???

>>1083567 >>1083572 Thanks for the honest answer, have fun pirating the game. >>1083569 Because we are in the middle of the culture war, don't you know?

>>1083556 I hate this for the fact that they could have made a "relationship preference" option instead of ever mentioning gender, because those have nothing to do with each other. If you want to have a gay character, just have a tick box with the symbol corresponding to the sex of the character, why is this so difficult? [_] ♀ [_] ♂ This is all you need for relationships, if you don't check either then you don't want romance options, check one or the other for exclusive gay/straight relationship, or both for bisexual. And just because I often end up forcing harems in the sims, a third option can be added for disabling monogomy [_] Faithful Making a character "non-binary" is a completely empty gesture because in execution it should not change anything about game interactions, it doesn't relate to what jobs the character does, how they look, or who they romance, and at least in sims it's meaningless because the language is fictional only being relevant to very specific dialog when forcing actions or notifications which is purely between the game and the player and irrelevant to the character. >>1083576 Clit dick or riot

Unironically gay relationships are a good thing in a game like this. If you create a cute girl and your only relationship options are getting dicked down by a male NPC, you are playing an NTR simulator on the losing side.

>>1083594 gotta play MoonDoom again

>>1083590 Waiting for the sex demographics mod, then I can make the town 99% female and watch my self insert go to town getting rejected by every woman >>1083556 That's gay but I can't find myself really caring. The faglords who cry over this shit will be pleased. I think the bigger issue is that there's no real difference between teen/young adult/adult and limited clothing options for children.

>>1083670 This was kind of funny though.

>>1083569 The problem is the implications of it being there at all to begin with.

Man, the clothing options in this game are painfully worst-korean. I hope they add some normal people clothes before proper launch. >>1083671 Oy vey, that's very transphobic.

>>1083671 Uhm... based?

>>1083713 Based on what?

>>1083671 >Identity I identify as a wolf transnigger! Hear my cry!

>>1083569 Non-binary is a restrictive option, instead of an endless choice of infinite possible creation you get a stupid thing that is meant to "represent" all of them, but it fails in it's concept since it substitute being able to individually have those roles represented.

>>1083770 >I identify as a wolf transnigger! Kek, how much time till the furry retards ruin this game?, Like they did with Vrchat. I think is gonna be in two more weeks! lel

>>1083556 Makes me wonder what motivated the devs to include that icon with those options. It's right next to the male and female icons, so it seems like they consider these other options just as important and valid. Maybe someone (or multiple people) on the team had a strong personal motivation to push this non-binary and homosexual stuff on players. But at the same time, the options are minimal and seem to have very little impact on gameplay besides putting your Zoi in a certain category and locking him/her out of certain romantic relationships. Which makes it seem like they were included because the team was told to, or thought they it was what players wanted in the global market. The team being Korean and not Western makes this even explanation more likely. >>1083671 >Identity Does anyone know what this text box says in Korean? Or any other language? Could be that identity was only used in English. >>1083670 >That's gay but I can't find myself really caring. I'm not losing any sleep over this either. But I won't ever consider purchasing this game because the option is there. Supporting games that promote these ideologies is something I cannot do. Doesn't matter if they wanted to include it or not.

Any early access game that adds superfluous and gimmicky functions before they even get the base gameplay and engine in a stable condition is a big red flag for me. FOTM for sure.

The sim autonomy in this game is awful. I made a couple, and they're just sitting on a sofa, staring at the wall.

did anyone try to make 3d penises yet?

Can't even run over kids what's the point https://archive.vn/67rIf

>>1083993 But can you fuck them?

>>1083940 You can attach them as accessories. https://files.catbox.moe/s1vl2u.jpg

>>1083997 Can you still put stuff in front of a fireplace to burn your house down?

>>1083923 >FOTM Flavor of the month?

>>1083997 >it is not an end, but a new beginning Obviously, this is only there to appeal to international audiences. Koreans are famously irreligious, with the majority of both Koreas being atheist.

>>1083997 >THEIR life It's a single byte flag in the code, you retards.

>>1084019 From all the gameplay and screenshots I've seen, it doesn't seem like the team put a lot of effort into the text. Maybe the translation team is the problem. Overall it just seems to be laziness, plain and simple. Or it could be how Koreans think English is spoken nowadays. >>1083997 That whole thing is overly wordy for a textbox about a character dying. Knowing how a character died is useful. The second line about living a good life is to be expected from a life sim game. But why the rest of the forced, baseless, pseudo-spiritual lessons? Players will just look at the text box for a few seconds then close out of it. And why tell me to not be distressed? No one will be shaking and sobbing over a Zoi's death.