>>466317 >Intelligence isn't intrinsically linked to being right or to or to gravitate towards the objective ideology, it is simply the capacity to apply skills <Stupid is as stupid does.

>>466321 You are stupid dude. intelligence while very important, isn't the only part of life and doesn't determine everything about someone

>>466323 Lel, we appear to have settled the point of the faithful being less intelligent than the faithless. What are you arguing now--that intelligence is not what drives technological advancement? Or just that your religion makes you somehow genetically special despite it also making you stupider?

>>466324 the smart would be faithful if the ecology had not been dysgenic for the past 20 years, and technological advancement is influenced by harsh selection as well as intelligence, people now are getting dumber because there is no harsh selection

>>466327 200 years*

>>466327 >the smart would be faithful if the ecology had not been dysgenic for the past 20 years, and technological advancement is influenced by harsh selection as well as intelligence, people now are getting dumber because there is no harsh selection Real technological advancement only starts occurring once harsh selection isn't happening and people have time to fuck around and find out how the laws of nature work.

>>466327 Now that is a whole new tack--the smart themselves would be faithful if not for the fact that something in their environment disinclines them toward superstition, and that something is that people are not dying fast enough. Is, then, the appeal of religion nothing more than a fear of death? Does it need widespread death to endure? That would seem to make apostasy a good thing, as it means that a mind is able to act without the constraints of fear upon it. Apart from that, you have the historical fact that >>466375 brings up, namely that technological advancement has always occurred when a significant portion of the population is secure, well-fed, and idle, that is not under threat of death. The conclusion that this line of reasoning seems to support is that security and idleness makes smart people less concerned about mortality which makes them faithless. Those smart faithless then put their efforts into technological advancement. Now, doesn't that make more sense given what we are looking at here?

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>>466302 >smart people just adopt whatever faith is dominant in their society because it helps them gain status, Those are psychopaths, son. That's not a question of intelligence.

>>466383 psychopathy is a spectrum, and smarter people see ways to act in thier self interest on a level dumber people can't was said in my post >>466377 Well other perks not having to about get murdered by other ethnic groups or your women getting raped by them, u can get adaptive lessons, you can get a community, I haven't gotten because I believe weird shit about the j man, like he had a pussy but was a man Religion is like a new form of rubbing like what apes do to reinforce thier bonds specific to humans (maybe whales but with song) >>466375 There is a few ways technology gets better, great men; the population is highly intelligent away but still under a harsh ecology and stuff come happen to babies to make thier brains only develop parts making them see world in new and potentially innovative ideas, whites evolved to exploit this, and stability, you are right the better and longer stability the more knowledge your society will be technology developed as long as your population is getting smarter and group oriented, the sand peoples evolved to exploit this I understand not being religious if you grew up in the states and it was cool to have nothing but hedonism to build your life around and who knows there is such a mutant build up, you may have roll that isn't religious to your core, that don't mean you represent a new ptheotype that will carry on civilization in a more enlightened way, "you" are are part of a force that exists to make make society Not work

>>466387 Not the getting smarter part, the sand peoples are evolved for stability, not getting smarter

If you want people to have several children each while being mindful of growth, then you want the prestige, renown, money, resources etc, not to go to the inventive but to the class of "ow my balls"-tier gladiatorial risk-takers instead. You basically want extreme contact sport with only moderate safety measures, as a way of regulating the life statistics via opt-in consent

>>466389 That's backwards, I'd say. The people who were responsible for literacy programs, a bunch of maths, and the Agricultural Revolution seem to me like they would be some clever motherfuckers if not for the fact that they can't stop killing each other long enough to get any proper thinking done.

>>466392 islam selects for ethnocentrism over intelligence, because when they get a civilization going, high ethnocentrism will keep it going and you don't need to be smart to learn things that be built up by the generations, how to grow food in what time of year and where, how to keep inventory, how to build something your ancestors wrote down doesn't high intelligence, leaps forward do need high intelligence, both for the change to happen, and for it be accommodated, doesn't happen for them because they are a people that maintain their way of life because their way of life is makes them dominant in group selection

>>466394 >islam selects for ethnocentrism over intelligence, because when they get a civilization going, high ethnocentrism will keep it going Nope, not seeing that. >and you don't need to be smart to learn things that be built up by the generations, how to grow food in what time of year and where, how to keep inventory, how to build something your ancestors wrote down doesn't high intelligence Is that what you think developing large-grain plant species and algebra are?

>>466387 >ptheotype You keep saying this. Do you mean phenotype, or is this just a word you made up? The only other place this term has been used even once is ziggerchan. You also have a bunch of grammar errors. Are you ESL? It's difficult to have a constructive discussion on nuanced topics if you aren't fluent in the language used.

>>466402 No phenotype, most of this is coming from a phone and misspell words elsewhere to avoid automated systems but still want people to know what I'm talking about

So my auto correct is fucked and I'm fluent in English, but like anything I say or anything you do is going to affect anything, it ain't worth dealing with a phone's input to correct it Ya know?

>>466398 they marry their 1st cousins dude >you think developing large-grain plant species and algebra are? yeah, generational knowledge as well as a per made foundation for you build on if the sand peoples were evolved to have and maintain a highly intelligent population on top of their ethnocentrism, we wouldn't be alive as the populations descended from would have been conquered and would the sand people would have incorporated the conquered genes into their genome long ago, and would be probably be an working on colonizing the solar system, but they ain't because ethnocentrism is better bet long term for group selection over intelligence, but will cause them to stagnant and die off when something happens that changes the ecology, like a ice age

>>466407 >they marry their 1st cousins dude Agrarians always do that, especially the ones who raise animals. Hell, the American southerners were doing that mid-way through the twentieth century. Check out the American history of incest laws. >yeah, generational knowledge as well as a per made foundation for you build on Algebra is not "generational knowledge," whatever that is supposed to mean. >if the sand peoples were evolved to have and maintain a highly intelligent population on top of their ethnocentrism, we wouldn't be alive as the populations descended from would have been conquered So the conquerors are always the stupider people. That is a pretty hot take you have there.

>>466409 incest doesn't happen that much in the west, not even in the same ball park as them, 3rd cousins is the sweet spot for both, but they do 1st cousin for ethnocentrism, at the cost of intelligence due to the inbreeding, that is even something your midwit ass can see >Algebra is not "generational knowledge," whatever that is supposed to mean. dude, it is like the spear, or covering yourself to not die from exposure, it is such a basic thing that everyone else had something similar, they just have a long enough history (that they really just want to use to make them look good) that they have memories of it being used, and their language and symbols might have seep in, but they didn't invent math, and they really didn't invent the higher disciplines of math we in part owe the modern world to >So the conquerors are always the stupider people not always, but sometimes, the smart can be converted to a maladaptive death cults easier, then dumb people, because dumb people are more instinctive

>>466410 >incest doesn't happen that much in the west, not even in the same ball park as them It did a little less than a hundred years ago. Regarding cousin fucking as incest is a fairly recent industrial development. >dude, it is like the spear, or covering yourself to not die from exposure Developing higher maths is like making a spear or wearing clothes. How far up your own ass did you have to reach to find these nuggets? >the smart can be converted to a maladaptive death cults easier We have already determined that smart people and religious people are two distinct groups.

>>466412 >algebra >higher maths Maybe if you're an inbred sandnigger regard.

>>466412 >>466412 >egarding cousin fucking as incest is a fairly recent industrial development. Do you live in fucking pakistan or germany you fucking ingrate.?

>>466413 Or if you lived before the tenth century.

>>466412 incest is part of evolution, and cousin marriage was normal up until deep into the industrial ecology, and is the healthiest thing to do if you want to love your offspring as much as you can, and you can love your cousin more then a random member of the pop, and it was normal around to marry your 3rd cousin until industrialized this ties to a bunch of shit, genetic similarity dictates how well you can trust someone, how well your society works, a bunch of other shit most likely

>>466419 literal paki tier.

>>466420 k, i still do not agree that being smart makes you not believe it god, only that an unhealthy pop will not believe in god

>>466421 Yes, a healthy society is a bunch of delusional inbreds. It all makes perfect sense.

>>466430 You aren't sane, no human ever has been, literally all I got is my shit works better for longer, your shit leads to decline and eventually enslavement, having the most accurate view of the material isn't factoring in when the results are like this

>>466405 >>466403 >Phoneposting Melanin enriched behavior, regardless

>>466438 you know what is also nigger behavior, beating a coal burner whore in the presence of her niglet after she thinks she can fuck the racism out of you and you get her alone because of that I'll be a nigger, it is fine, especially now people just use 'you're acting or thinking like a nigger' as code for behave and think in a maladaptive way the thing that defines a nigger other then the morph, is his inability to think or do anything for the future, and this society has no future, I'm white, I live in the future, but this society has no future, so I'm living in somewhere between hopelessness and the confusing fact that society isn't facilitating my phenotype's interests, and won't even allow a peaceful breaking up, thus I should hate this society but that is a liberal perspective, and I hate all liberals, but they facilitate the collapse of the society they live in, so I should like them, but I don't anyway, any conduct I have is fine, because this society and it's rules aren't worth considering, and you're trying to imply that whites should have a etiquette due to their genes, then my counter is that they are genetically unhealthy, anything they do and anything they think is from of composer meat that shouldn't have been allowed come about, maladaptive is the only behavior they can exhibit for the most part, so why value the behavior ?

>>466599 >the thing that defines a nigger other then the morph, is his inability to think or do anything for the future That's a jewish psyop. Only negros can be niggers, by definition. White people cannot be niggers. First they have you believing in so-called "White niggers," then they'll have you believing in women with penises, or pregnant men. I don't care that your Southern pawpaw taught you nigger means ignorant person. He was mislead by kikes.

>>466603 I wasn't trying to imply that, I saying that whites can exhibit behavior that is expected from niggers, due to the genetic unhealthy of the whites as well as the whites not being an environment that they evolved to be in niggers are distinctive phenotype and can not be part of the ethinic groups of Europe

I live in toronto canada, by far the most religious parts of ontario are the big cities, they have a lot of christianity going on here amongst the whites. People who think the cities are atheistic havent spent a lot of time in the cities. Since there are places with lots of atheism, but religion is also alive and well here. In the small towns people are more passively religious, like they dont give a shit and are christian by default, in the cities they are much more actively christian, preaching in the street, helping the poor, protesting, etc. Now i realize that attitude towards religion is probably more important than religiousity. I am an atheist, but i probably agree more and get along better with rchristians from small towns than atheists from big cities.

>>467259 >towards religion is probably more important than religiousity Oh you are religious, you just worship death and the material The only reason everyone isn't super religious in an adaptive way now is because of the dysgenics of industrialization