>>308809
Okay, if you're saying then it's irrelevant then you're just more wrong. It was used here, and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you were pretending I was using it the way they use it. But I should know better than to give people like you the benefit of the doubt by now. Your big lie tactics aren't doing anything but trying to start shit. These tactics will also not fool anybody to whatever non-point you're trying to make.
>>308811
This is the type of person siding with the ones calling others redditors.
>>308813
>"incel" is a Leddit term literally defined as "person I don't like",
You're literally using the term literally wrong, at best.
>created for the sole purpose of (Ironically) shaming people who are assumed to be virgins
It was used before then. You must be too young or new or something. Or you're just a bad actor. If they wanted a word to just use as an insult, they could have created a better one that didn't point out their own hypocrisy of disliking people for something that, in the very word, is described as involuntary. They didn't invent it, they just started using it later. And you know this. You're just being an asshole.
>A literal permavirgin is someone that is severely disabled, and even those retards often aren't even permavirgins.
The fact of the matter is that Hotwheels had a lot more charisma and a lot less autism than many other people that frequent sites like this, or, more relevantly, wizardchan.
>The state of being a permavirgin is really just relative to the kind of person that the virgin in question is willing to fuck.
If you want to take it to an extreme literal end, this becomes closer to true (but not literally true), but at that point you're just using the feminist argument that men have too high standards. Funny that they say this while also saying men are too shallow. They say they're too shallow and just want sex and nothing meaningful, then tell them that they should just pay whores. It might mean they're not literally involuntarily celibate, but I can understand why paying a whore so you can be one of thousands of dudes she fucks isn't quite what they're after. So sure, I'm not being wholly literal either, but I can accept that if your only option is a whore, then close enough. And again, a lot of these dudes can't even get whores. Being too poor or autistic or both is a very common story. If you don't have your own place to live or your own car or enough money to blow on both a motel room and a whore, then you aren't getting one.
>it doesn't actually alleviate their unwillingness to do what is required to achieve and maintain relationships with women.
See, I'm just arguing with a feminist. This is just a just world fallacy. Everything is always men's fault. It couldn't be that women have absurd standards and would rather all share a chad than have normal guys to themselves. No, it's that men just aren't willing to kiss womens' asses enough to be one more notch on that woman's belt.
>If fucking a dude in a dress gives them the comfort they desire and is more achievable for them then it is definitionally good enough for them.
Oh, now I see why you're a feminist. You're still trying to convince yourself you're happy being a fag. The high suicide rates don't really line up with your assertion, but good luck with that.
>I suppose I just disagree with the concept of people tricking themselves into desiring things.
I don't think it's tricking themselves into desiring things, it's telling themselves that they should do it because it's better than nothing. Not that they want it, but that they tell themselves if they just try it they might be happier down the line.
>>308816
>That was ALWAYS it's meaning. It had NO other definition.
Wait, you don't realize what the "in" and the "cel" stand for? Are you retarded?
>That doesn't stop niggers from getting action, somehow. If someone is that desperate, they'll find a way.
Some people are dumb and autistic, as mentioned.
>Also, not my fucking problem.
Never said it was, outsider. Just go back. You can't even be bothered to make your typing style fit in here.
>If you require sex to feel "validated", you have far bigger issues that even sex is not going to solve.
I never said these guys didn't have issues. I thought I pretty heavily implied that they did.
>"Incel" was never a native word here, and anyone who has ever used it immediately gets bullied.
You're new. You're clearly not from around here. Just go back. You will be happier where you came from.
>Yet, you're using their language.
How ironic, coming from you.
>If Alexander the Great was incapable of convincing his own men that a native whore or even a ladyboy would replace their longing for their actual wives, what makes you think anything is any different today?
I never said it was. I said they try to tell themselves. The men you're talking about had wives. These guys don't. They live in a society where women are encouraged to rack up body counts higher than they can keep track of. The women would rather sleep around forever than marry these guys. Of course many of them would like to have wives. They don't. That's the whole point. I also doubt Alexander's men had drag queen story hour telling them to be gay since they first started forming memories. It's not that they will actually be gay, but they might tell themselves "well, I might as well try," and then they start getting a sunk cost fallacy that makes them afraid of leaving the cult they've now joined.