Are you guys ready for the 5090 at 3000 dollars?

>>1045291 The 5090 at 700 watts (for 10% better performance than the 4090) is more of a concern than a price no one can afford.

>>1045291 Gotta have those reflections anon! >>1045294 You left out how they placed the 5070 and 5060 to fucking crash and burn, by giving them the same specs as the 4070 & 4060.

>>1045282 Motherboard: Asus B650M-E TUF Gaming AX CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Graphics Card: Asus RTX 4070 Super EVO Dual OC - 12GB - White RAM: 32GB Lexar Thor RGB 6000MHz (2x16GB) Drives: 2TB Gen4 Lexar NM790 M.2. NVME (R 7400MBs | W 6500MBs) 8TB Samsung 870 QVO 2.5 SATA III 6Gbs One WD 8HDD I already bought a few months ago. I think that's about it. I could go for an 8tb M2 drive for games but those are 1,800 which is a bit beyond my budget. A samsung SSD will work fine, that's already a $1000. Main point of this build was to future proof my computer. This'll last at least till 2030. 1080p screen I bought back in 2018 is still good, no dead pixels or anything.

>>1045304 Soild.

https://www.logicalincrements.com/ A cute guide for different price points, although any build under $500 probably does better with a used minipc on ebay.

>>1045291 Can't fucking wait for arrogant game devs calling people poor for not having $3000 gpu's to run their un-optimized garbage at less than 60fps.

>>1045299 >You left out how they placed the 5070 and 5060 to fucking crash and burn, by giving them the same specs as the 4070 & 4060. AI needs to crash so bad, I want to see nvidia's stock price plummet and Jenson to commit sudoku. The whole gaming industry is so bloated, greedy and full of poz now that it's worse than Hollywood ever was

>>1045434 >AI needs to crash so bad There's no way Charlie. People try to poison the training data all the time and the gravy train just keeps on rolling.

NZTX got called the fuck out today by GN. >>1045434 For all the shit I gave the 3000 series it was an upgrade from the 2000 series at least.

>>1045299 AMD is apparently focusing on low end. So that's atleast something. Any new from AMDs next gen?

>>1045493 >AMD is apparently focusing on low end. Which is a bad thing as it enables team green to set out the insane prices. >Any new from AMDs next gen? Coming out next year it seems.

When do you expect the RTX 5070 to release?

>>1045493 >>1045507 Honestly, good. I think AyyMD will win out in the long run while (((Jewvidia))) either burns and crashes or pivots entirely to gayI. We are already starting to see the fallout with huge consumer backlash towards the gaytracing scam, though for now it's aimed at Unreal Engine which is just a ripple effect. (((Jewvidia))) just pumps more power into their cards (the 4090 runs shy of half a kilowatt for cripes sake) and the entire gaytracing scheme was because they saw AyyMD catching up to them in raster and realized they needed to create a problem to solve to stay ahead (this can be seen with how AyyMD cards now easily beat (((Jewvidia))) in raster, but dumbshits screech MUH DLSS). (((Jewvidia))) for all intents and purposes is trying to trash the entire industry so it can convince everyone its shoddy AI chips are the future rather than improving on raster, like Crysis 2 tessellation on steroids. AyyMD extracting more raw performance per watt and pursuing efficiency is smarter and more sustainable in the long term. Hell, gaming could be AMAZING right now but (((Jewvidia))), much like globohomo, had to pozz everything to stay relevant. Shitty temporal upscaling that looks like a pajeet smeared his feces all over your screen? Ridiculous scalp prices? Unnecessary gaytracing for a static scene? All Jewvidia. Upscaling was pushed because gaytracing filled the screen with noise artifacts and something was needed to buff them out. With AyyMD, the new race becomes >hey so how long can this amazing looking game run on a 5000mah battery with this generation which should be much more interesting than pursuing diminishing returns especially as gaming starts to shift towards portability rather than pushing upwards to 8K and 16K. If people want to toss shekels to (((Jewvidia)))) like good goyim despite everything out there I say let them. They can't keep this up with how (((modern gaming))) is being shunned.

>>1045493 I dunno, apparently UDNA is gonna be targeting the high end again. They're pulling a Ryzen with their GPUs supposedly.

>>1045515 Q2 2025 if leaks are true.

>>1045526 Hey I hate the companies too but you don't have to replace every single instance of you referring to their companies with a meme name, it makes you look like a retard to be honest. But yeah, it's still pretty garbage. We could be sitting comfy at 1080p or 1440p with stable high-refresh-rates at native resolutions but they want to sell everyone a new 4k monitor and constantly keep the customer just slightly unsatisfied with performance (whether that be the shit price placement of GPUs or how shittily optimized the latest games are) so they'll be more likely to buy a new model. Like 10 years ago I swear you could spend $250 or $300 on a GPU and play nearly everything 1080p 60FPS max. Now, good luck, buy the flagship GPU for the price of a used Jeep Cherokee or deal with medium settings, broke nigger. And like you said now everything has to look like it's passed through a Gaussian blur filter because of these shit upscalers. Games are made with them in mind, so if you somehow force the game to not use temporal upscaling or DLSS or what have you, they look like a mess with weird dithered shadows and disgusting hair on characters and lighting that's all fucked up. Remember when it was native res or bust? Now these companies are just assuming you're upscaling from a sub-1080p resolution anyway. Fuck it. I really hope the bubble bursts for Nvidia soon.

>bring PC outside >blast with air compressor >now running way cooler When's the last time you dusted your machine?

>>1045607 Man, it's been a while actually.

>>1045598 I'm happy with 1440p180Hz I just need more VRAM.

Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WiFi ProSeries CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D 12-Core, 24-Thread Graphics Card: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT RAM: CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6200MHz Drives: WD_Black 1TB SN750 SE NVMe (OS) Lexar 2TB NVMe(Games Library) WD 1TB Blue 2.5 SSD (permanent backup) WD 1TB Blue 2.5 HDD (downloads and temp files) everything was custom made to put on the board. i still have to put on the power switch on the board

>>1045658 MUH TUBES

>>1045658 heres the power button

>>1045665 I like it. Makes it feel like a car

>>1045658 Did you get a watercooled CPU? Part of the reason I chose a slightly cheaper AMD CPU was because anything more expensive requires water cooling.

>>1045667 a CPU isn't cooled by itself. It usually requires an AIO depending on the chipset and wattage used.

>>1045668 I mean one of these, a watercooler for the CPU instead of a regular fan.

>>1045670 i suggest looking at your CPU TDP. if it draws more than 100W or is designed to run hot (ex. amd 7000 series are designed to run at 95c, thats hot as shit.) id get an AIO cooler. doesn't have to be 360mm radiator. 240 is enough for most CPUs. also second thing is make sure it fits in your case before you but it.

>>1045674 I'd go 280 for middle road.

>>1044782 is a rad battletoad a raddletoad

>>1045598 What the fuck happened to gpu prices if top of the line gpu in 2006 cost only $600? and you could get essentially the same gpu for nearly half the price a year later also is it weird if I'm fascinated by old gpus?

>>1045813 I want to go back.

>>1045831 It reminds me of the dual/quadruple gpu in one card cards that used to exist. Ati used to be fond of them

>>1045831 Bitchin'fast and built-to-last.

>>1045813 The only thing I can think of is that. Technology got refined and they stopped caring about wacky designs and focused on streamlining production. (Smaller die size more cuda cores etc.) Right now 4090 is the size of a cinder block.

>>1045434 >>1045436 Part of the reason AI doesn't crash is because the elites believe that they can use it to eventually bring about their Socialist utopia by handling all the production number crunching over to a computer instead of a stupid unenlightened person that will lie to them. So they keep subsidizing it believing that the technology WILL (Not "if") work. Outside of that, there's really no point in this big push for AI as it's not making anything more productive or better to use.

>>1045907 It's just the new tech bubble, like big data, blockchains, apps, 5G connectvity, etc.

>>1045836 The sad thing is that modern day dual GPU cards with smol fans over the chip die aren't outside the realm of physical possibility, but neither Elon Mustard nor Jensen Weltenshuang have shown any desire for large-scale optoelectronic transistor fabrication yet so 12VHPWR house fires it is.

>>1045948 I think the first gen intel dGPUs had some single slot blower models meant for compact computers, it came with the shorter pcie bracket as an option.

>>1045490 >NZTX got called the fuck out today by GN. That was worse than I expected.

>>1046014 Yeah, I'm honestly surprised Linus came out unscathed after GN called their ass out

>>1045917 Except, no, it's what he said. It's not backed by "market forces." It's backed by the single global government and infinite currency.

>>1046029 Sounds like a market with a very interested buyer.

Intel's new GPUs are announced. Will they ever be able to recover from their humiliating CPU collapse in the face of ARM's rise? https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/3/24311887/intel-battlemage-b580-b570-price-release-date https://archive.ph/t6HAr

>>1046345 Intresting... just the question is if they'll improve their directx9 emulator, because at the moment... it just kinda sucks. >their humiliating CPU collapse Oh yeah AMD CPUs are actually popular aren't it?

>>1046346 The 13 and 14th gen intel chips are basically all duds and the only remedy was downclocking to 12th gen speeds to avoid thermal meltdowns. New intel chips are sidegrades from the models that do work from 14th gen.

>>1045907 I still don't understand why anyone would want that excessive liability. A.I automation in business will fail because of a lack of any competent oversight. By contrast A.I is best suited for chatting up and playing dress up with my cute virtual assistant.

>>1045907 >>1046372 I would be willing to bet that by the time the next decade rolls around China will have societal monitoring that will function more-or-less like it was ripped from the pages of some dystopian cyberpunk speculative fiction and it will be powered by machine learning. They already have the groundwork laid but fully integrating machine learning into it will supercharge it.

Do you still have and use a CRT monitor?

Has anyone tried bazzite? Im thinking of using my old laptop turn it into an htpc and play movies and FTL on my bed

>>1046473 Have it in storage, but use oled for desk space and refresh rate. If it was a 1080p one maybe I'd entertain using it. Maybe the imac g3 has historical value too.

>>1046346 >Oh yeah AMD CPUs are actually popular aren't it? AMD stuff has overtaken intel in the DIY market.

>>1047254 There's also ryzen lenovo minipcs hitting the used market for $50-80 in bulk since IT depts are phasing them out after 5 years.

>>1045665 That's not that impressive. My gaming computer has a key too.

>>1045658 Does this not cause really dangerous dust buildup?

>>1047283 Pretty sure it's less than normal since the dust gets blown away instead of being trapped in. The only danger is if you have a visible layer of dust it can cause conductivity for short circuits, but still rarely.

>>1046616 I also want to know. Win11 run likes doo doo on my craptop.

>>1047298 I think Win11 runs like shit on every machine, it's a terrible bloated OS. Wish I could speak for Bazzite, it's rather new so you don't see too much about and most reviews I've found are about running it on UMPCs. If it's anything like the OS it's forked from, it should be a modified version of Arch running KDE as its DE. Sounds reasonable enough for gayming.

>>1047349 Are you even paying attention to the conversation or is "Arch" an MKUltra activation word for you

<<1047349 Bazzite Linux is a fork of SteamOS 3, which is based on Arch albeit heavily modified.

>>1047349 It all depends how you install that shit, or how smart are you to find distro with as quick installation of wine and proprietary drivers to run a windows based video game without issues as half a day.

>>1047351 MKultra nowadays is only for ubuntu and supported systems. Don't know if it works for arch, gomen.

>>1047388 I can't tell who are bigger cancer, Windows users or windows/linux users.

>>1047392 People that dual boot windows/linux uses only uses windows while never touching the linux install.

>>1047388 I've got both linux and windows on separate computers... Poorfags seething

>>1047392 Mac users are the absolute worst.

>>1047409 Mac users>Android users

>>1047392 I dual boot for games that I can't play on Linux, but Linux is my main desktop. Windows 11 even with a shell is complete dogshit, and I just don't think Microsoft cares enough about it to fix its major issues.

>>1047392 I dual boot for code I can't build on Windows, but Windows is my main desktop. Linux and its second-rate FOSS programs are complete dogshit, and I just don't think there's enough money put into it to fix its major issues.

>>1047392 Mac/Apple Users, actually

>>1047392 I use openBSD and play games on consoles.

>>1047392 Linux users

>>1047423 Which Distro/DE are you using?

>>1047428 I use TempleOS and play games on pen and paper so the CIA niggers who glow in the dark can't interfere if I'm playing.

>>1047439 How do you play video games then?

>>1047440 ternary neural co-processor

>>1047428 I will use windiws 98 pc for my games

>>1047388 >dropping Linux I laughed, but not making the Penguin black let me down. 5/10

>>1047450 I will play Reversi on Windows 1.0 over The Game Awards slop. >>1047454 Niggering the penguin is tinkering, heretical to the Windowsists. Maybe a Torvaldsite can gif the job done.

>>1047342 >>1047298 I bit the linux gaming bug a year back. So far its running flawlessly. I used linux mint and got no hiccups so far. Sekiro plays well, Onirism runs well, even though its a early access game, even my summer car. I assume most VNs would run well too for the (1)s

>>1047465 I've had a great experience with Mint Cinnamon, it's not my first distro but it has been the easiest I've used. It has some definite Linux-isms but honestly, they're not as bad as the quirks Windows has. I can actually find settings in Mint.

>>1047458 This gives me a question do any of you fags have a retro gaming pc? Yes I know it might be kinda useless. But it's sometimes a fun hobby from what I've heard.

>>1047465 >>1047472 After using Linux (Arch BTW) for awhile, I've gotta back up this sentiment. Every day I upgrade and have to give my boot settings a stink eye just in case somehow the pacman upgrade fucks it up. Somehow. I realized how much I value stability in a system. I don't mind tinkering as much on an already working system, which will happen on any Linux distro, but so often I'm fixing shit from a live USB and that's not a fun feeling. A lot of issues from KDE too. It's a comprehensive (which is important to me) desktop environment, but fuck its devs break shit every other day. Imagine not having a stable version. Imagine pushing people onto Wayland and then getting a huge uptick in bug reports (lmao.)

>>1047440 I astral project into the mind of God.

>>1047458 i satisee. anothisfaction caramenlightened caramelinux userlicious.

>>1047472 >>1047465 I also use Linux Mint and I have almost nothing but regrets. I bought a new computer just to play total warhammer 3 and that shit crashes everytime I start a campaign. Almost every game that I play have some fucking issue, either it doesn't boot up or it has some weird audio issue. Usually I would just google a solution but nobody uses this fucking system so nobody has solved this stuff before me. Every day i think about going back to win10 and the only thing that prevents me is laziness.

>>1047465 Yeah, Linux runs games really good outside of certain instances (Anti-Cheat or incompatable DRM). Although sometimes there's a heavy performance loss to the point where you can't run a certain game on a 4080S and you have to switch back to Windows because its running so poorly FF16 on NVidia runs terribly on Linux

>>1047527 I'm thinking of buying a laptop with Linux pre-installed and I can choose which parts to add in from laptop with Linux.com. Which version would you recommend?

>>1047535 I am not the right guy to ask, I have only tried distro. If you want to play any sort of videogames I would just tell you to stick to windows.

>>1047537 >I have only tried 1 distro Is what I meant to say. Linux Mint is not good for gaming.

>>1047538 I've played two dozen games on Linux Mint over the past year. Maybe you're just playing shitty games?

>>1047543 I don't know if they are shitty games, how could I know if they don't work on my OS?

>>1047573 simple does it work on linux? no? shitty game so linux isn't bad for gaming, yes it works? the goat. this reeducation paid for by linux foundation

>>1047397 I have a dual boot set up but I use Windows so little that I never got around to setting up Grub to see it. Something actually broke it and left it unbootable two years ago, and I only got around to reinstalling it this summer because I just never cared enough to bother. I haven't logged in again since that reinstall.

If (You) can install the DirectX9.0c that came with your favorite 2000s-era PC game, (You) can use wine.

>>1047392 BSDfags because that implicates consolefags as well :3

>>1047527 >play total warhammer 3 and that shit crashes everytime Its a native title though, so the game should technically run. However on protondb its rated as gold, meaning it will play after some tweaks. https://www.protondb.com/app/1142710 Check these comments and see if it helps. Or you can use the windows version and proton through that, some poorly bugged shit runs better through proton.

>>1047596 This is literally true. The ONLY game that I haven't been able to play on Linux Mint is Payday 2, and that's just because I can't connect to multiplayer. And Payday 2 fucking sucks!

>>1045490 Now they've responded to NZXT's inadequate rebuttal. https://youtu.be/DAANNGvMANM

>>1047737 >I can't connect to multiplayer. Is Steam still trying to ship the Linux build even though its been discontinued? Fucking lazy OVK not even pulling it down...

Might get a VR headset for Christmas, worth it or just a gimmick? How do headsets stack against each other?

>>1047900 Cheaper quest 3 sku has quest 2 screens but upgraded tracking and processor I think. Still kind of ass to connect to pc I think and youll want whatever strap upgrade they sell, but it's not as bad as quest 2's. Also something about earphones. Outside of that, valve announced a new headset with camera tracking instead of laser lighthouses, so the value might be better. Apple's is a meme for now, dunno anything about psvr2 for pc besides people saying its a middle ground between quest 2 and valve's. There are probably other options but most people go for one of these.

>>1047854 win10 ltsc I hope >>1047900 >>1047737 Payday 2 was so fucking good in 2014, even was ported natively to linux. Then overkill fucked everything to hell and beyond

>>1047731 Native support doesn't mean shit if the devs didn't test the game to run on a variety of machines. They do they bare minimum of porting over to linux and nothing else, not even play a mission. Linux graphics pipeline is simply too scattered and has tons of variable which means if you have single different key the program crashes. You simply cannot program to handle every permutation and package scenario. Standardization is the only way forwards. Till then linux is a shotgun roulette, may work on every machine except your specific installation.

>>1047950 you seem to be an esl but im curious, why is the linux pipeline so scattered and why there are so many variables what is a key too? you mean like environment variables? You should spell better too.

>>1047976 Probably a salty wayland user.

>>1047976 The basis of the problem is that "Linux" isn't truly an operating system. "Linux" is just the kernel, and other groups of people will take that kernel and bundle it with different libraries, software, desktop environments etc and that's how you get your Debians, Ubuntus, SUSE, Arch, Fedora etc. In theory, every distribution of Linux can run the same applications if you just install the correct libraries, drivers, software etc, but this is a challenge, because every distro is free to ship or not ship whatever it wants, and there's usually good technical reasons to selectively ship or not ship some libraries. True standardisation, where every distro ships the exact same things, is impossible because Linux is free software and people have the right to release whatever they want with it. The real solution to this has been containerisation and dependency bundling. Steam already does this for the most part, where it gets most linux native games to use it's own native steam runtime which is independent of what is installed on your distro. Appimage and Flatpak and snap applications, do something similar, where the dependencies are bundled with the application and thus are independent of those that exist on the system. Thus all your distro needs to be able to do is run flatpaks or appimages, and it will be able to run all of these applications.

>>1047984 Except the problem is those containers sometimes have bugs not found in native versions, so now every dev has to learn 4 ways to distribute their app just for linux users.

>>1047987 >those containers sometimes have bugs That's true, but is only really applicable for extremely complex applications. For example the the flatpak version of steam, is known to have problems running games that the packaged version does not, probably because it's trying to run it's own runtimes, from within the flatpak container, which is running on top of the system. But these bugs have and are getting fixed over time. So I think that will eventually become a non-issue. Overall, making one or two "universal" versions of your application, is still more efficient than compiling multiple dozens of packages for different distro families and packaging formats, as well as different versions of the same distro, e.g. ubuntu 24.XX, 22.XX, 20.XX etc.

>>1047984 I don't see why the system requirements could not state something like "requires SDL2 >=2.1.4" and whatever other requirements there are. Or bundle the libraries if you really have to. As for drivers, you cannot bundle those of course, but I don't see how the situation is any worse than on Windows.

>>1048006 >>1047984 >>1047994 So is it similar to early days of XP where you needed this specific driver for this specific brand of ATI cards and you need service pack 1 for running directX 9a and not directX 9 base version?

Valve is preparing for a console sized steam device, codenamed fremont. Its not a handheld device, and rumors comes soon after valve updated branding logos to include a Powered by SteamOS logo. So they also have planned to release SteamOS to other brands.

>>1048264 forgot source - https://archive.is/iTOHm

>>1048264 >>1048265 Not entirely new information but it does appear the Steam Console will be announced sooner rather than later. It's been known about since at least 2023, but they've had a project like this floating around inside the company for a very long time. I have no context for production pipelines to know how far along a project is if you're releasing graphical assets for third-parties.

>>1048271 yep, and this would also double up as a base station for their upcoming deckard/roy VR headsets. Still they wouldn't release it to public until atleast 6 months of public testing

>>1048264 Wondering what the price on this will be since over $300 of any PC build these days is going to tied up in basic parts every computer needs (motherboard, case, power supply, ram, storage) and you can't really go lower quality on. 700 USD is the cap on effective price

>>1048283 Around $5-600, give or take. They can save money since You aren't looking at a screen, battery etc but need cooling and power supply

>>1048264 Another thing - they are planning to brand controllers as Steam Compatible, so you'll have 3rd party controllers that'll work on steamOS. They must have touchpads, gyro aiming etc. so they could receive such compatibility. Also - notice they have 2 versions of Steam branding. One is Powered by SteamOS, for 3rd party devices running SteamOS out of teh box, and Steam Included, which will like by steam as an app you can access.

>>1048290 $100 shitbooks with steam branding on it would be so funny.

>>1048290 >>1048293 Having actually read the PDF, they say you can only use those logos on the packaging/marketing material to indicate it has SteamOS installed or is SteamVR compatible. You can't imply it's an official Valve product in any way, so no notebooks with the Steam logo printed on back. >The Steam Included logo indicates that the Steam client is included with a hardware product. Manufacturers of these products will have accepted the terms of the Steam Client Distribution Agreement, and will include the Steam client with the product in the form for which they are licensed (boot loader or fully compiled.) Physical alterations should not be made to the logo and it should not be combined with any other branding elements >The Steam Included logo should always be less prominent than your product’s own branding. This logo communicates that the Steam client is already installed on the product hey are purchasing. It must not be used in a way that suggests the product is designed or endorsed by Valve. The whole this is here.

*whole thing

>>1048297 I'm not saying it would look like a valve netbook, just that it being able to advertise itself as a gaming pc just for having steam installed is funny.

>>1048006 You can do whatever you want with Linux, it'll never have a stable ABI required for developing native games on like Win32, D3D9 or D3D11. Something always breaks because the Linux community ideologically opposes stability and compatibility, they view all software on Linux as throwaway and rolling release, and it's "not their problem if proprietary software doesn't work anymore." Linus Torvalds himself looks down upon video games and said they're a waste of time and that the last game he played was Prince of Persia for DOS. Wine/Proton is what gives Linux users a stable ABI to run their games on.

>>1048347 Hearing shit like this makes me wish Microsoft wasn't run by fucking retards.

>>1048190 Yes, but also no due to built-in package management being six gorillion times better than the Microshaft approach of self-contained installation wizards bundled with BonziBuddy.

>>1048347 >Something always breaks because the Linux community ideologically opposes stability and compatibility Partially true. Linus has a strict rule that the kernel should never break userspace, but your absolutely correct on all the other open source software. The big problem is most programmers are looking to only solve their own problems, and are only, by consequence of the GPL, sharing their solution with everyone. And the moment it's no longer their problem, they drop their maintainership. The only reason it all works is you have some programmers being traditionally employed to maintain the critical parts of the OS now. Loki Entertainment tried to solve this issue in the late 90's with SDL and OpenAL

>>1047349 arch isn't even that hard

>>1051226 neither is gentoo

>>1051231 let's be serious for a second anon

>>1051226 i use it btw... easy for me (my brains kinda big)

>>1051232 No really my retard-ass was able to do it, it was easier than arch until the kernel parameters, and that's human-readable.

>>1047533 Depends on the game. Some actually run better than Windows (slight better, but better) due to shader precomp and Windows being super bloated. >FF16 on NVidia runs terribly on Linux I think it's more a Nvidia driver problem. Hoping they open source more driver stuff so I can get a GPU capable of generating naked cartoon girls next time I upgrade GPU.

I suffered from gaming addiction no therapist could cure, then I installed Linux. Half the games broke, the rest were too much work. Thank you Torvalds, you cured my gaming addiction! But I'm no longer productive, since that takes too long on Linux. Well, more time to post about how everything bad on Linux is good!

This thread's all off topic, OS isn't PC hardware or PC hardware news. Let's all change that, first gay to mention OS is a Super Faggot. OKI Circuit Technology has announced a new printed circuit board (PCB) design that can boost component heat dissipation by up to 55x, where a PCB is packed with stepped circular or rectangular copper coins. Where OKI says coins, it is describing a copper structure that is rather like a rivet. Also, where it says stepped, it means that one end of the coin, or rivet, is a different size from the other. It gives the example of a stepped coin with a diameter of 7mm at the bonding surface with an electronic component, and 10mm at the heat-dissipating surface. "The newly developed stepped copper coin features a larger heat-dissipating area relative to the bonding surface with the heat-generating electronic component to improve heat conduction efficiency," OKI explains. Then it goes on to say how its new rectangular coins are great for wicking the heat from traditionally rectangular heat-generating electronic components. Component makers like Asus, ASRock, Gigabyte, and MSI often boast about their lavish use of copper in motherboards and other components. Perhaps OKI's new stepped copper coins would be beneficial, too. These coins can extend through the PCB to conduct heat to large metal casings, suggests OKI. They could potentially connect to backplates and other cooling apparatus.

>>1051283 This is interesting, although heat dissipation is rarely brought up these days because chips are getting more efficient by the minute. This will push it to new levels if developed properly

>>1051375 Heat dissipation's important for consumers since dissipated heat lets consumers overclock more and run shit faster.

>>1051283 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyai_kUYhLs Here another on similar vein, a new kind of solid state cooling that pushes air by ionizing air and pushing them towards oppositely charged grills to generate a small air current. Its called Ionic Cooling Engine (ICE) by ventiva. The good news is unlike other solid state cooling, its already put into a laptop and will be showcased next month CES. Don't know which company. This is much better than the piezo-electric vibrating fan technology that also has solid state cooling because it actually displaces a moderate amount of air at low watts. And is actually solid, zero moving or vibrating parts

>>1051379 I thought it was neat, until you realize it's an ion engine, converting oxygen into ozone, and that their solution to all the ozone is a catalytic converter. Also, the static pressure is so limp-dicked, you'd need to thin out and lengthen the fin stack instead of compressing it to get equivalent cooling, eating up the saved space.

>>1051455 The catalyst can also make nitrous oxide during the rebonding since the air isnt pure oxygen.

I surprised nobody posted here. Where are all the /g/men? Intel B580 beats 4060 and 7600 at $250, is the best entry level GPU now And is immediately out of stock. Steve declared it the only value wise choice in midrange 1080p and 1440p. It fixed nearly all driver related issues of previous intel arc gpus and even catches upto 4060 in ray-tracing. Intel finally did something good this year

I've seen people endlessly whining about how the 5000 series still has "only" 8GB VRAM, but honestly that's good for the industry. Anyone else old enough to remember when people actually had to know how to code to write good software? When hardware restrictions explicitly required people to be intelligent and write tight, simple, clean, fast code because computers physically couldn't handle sloppy streetshitter spaghetti. I support the 5000, 6000, and 7000 series of GPUs remaining at 8GB (and only improving on TDP, etc.) to force the entire video game industry to write games that aren't absolute fucking shit.

>>1053121 >shittier "entry" level hardware will improve how games are coded Nope. Saw this already with Starfield. Only non-AAA, which are not the games you are talking about, will ever have decent performance these days. Why? AAA Game companies are provided top-of-the-line gaming rigs and the marketers are told these are 'average.' Performance issues would only matter when the company in question has been slapped hard and often enough to actually care about the slop they produce. And the only reason why indies will have decent performance is because they already and usually always have cared. This doesn't change that. It never did. Nvidia can provide 4 more gigs of VRAM. They just don't want to. And that is inexcusable.

>>1053121 >I support the 5000, 6000, and 7000 series of GPUs remaining at 8GB (and only improving on TDP, etc.) to up-sell consumers to buy higher-end cards at twice the cost in order to play games at a decent level of performance

>>1053121 Guess you're playing on medium textures then, bud.

>>1053091 If it beats the 5060 then it will turn heads. Beating a 1.5 year old card looks less impressive.

>>1053147 It's more people can get a decent GPU without breaking the bank.

>>1053091 >Steve declared it the only value wise choice in midrange 1080p and 1440p. Thanks Steve.

>>1053127 >only AAA Yes, so fuck them. They're all propagandists funded by BlackRock/Vanguard/governments/etc. in the first place. The rest of the industry will benefit from having hardware restrictions again, rather than being told "OY VEY YOU CAN'T RUN THE GAME ON YOUR MONTH OLD HARDWARE? JUST UPGRADE IMMEDIATELY AGAIN, GOYIM!" >>1053133 You're bad at this. >>1053138 I have a GTX 980. Medium is a pipe dream for most "modern" games. I just don't care.

>>1053164 >has gtx 980 >10 year old hardware <doesn't want hardware to improve Anon, it's time to save money for an upgrade.

>>1053168 It's GC tard.

>>1053121 >GPUs should have more Vram in order to force developers to be competent. Not going to happen. Not when all of the hardware is standardized x86, not when all the game engines are standardizing to UE dogshit, not when there is an entire industry of diploma mill retards getting hired on to outsourcing studios so that they can be shuffled around AAA seamlessly in order to get a game out in under half a decade. Constraints do breed innovation and allow talent to shine all the brighter - but there are no more constraints in today's market. The largest bottleneck to game development now is scale. That's not something you can fix by having jewvidia scam customers out of 16GB Vram on their $2000 cards.

>>1053168 >doesn't want Try again. I want hardware to improve. It's just that software has to improve first, otherwise there aren't any actual improvements. >>1053169 Congrats on being wrong, dipshit. He's a retard. >>1053200 >The largest bottleneck to game development now is scale. Animal Well got to the kosher game awards with a single developer. I'm not sure administrative scale problems are even a requirement for developing a popular game. And that card game, Balatro, is apparently also only made by one person.

>>1053200 >The largest bottleneck to game development now is scale. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop; what the fuck is the point in paying some thirdie who doesn't know shit about vidya design to make hideously bloated rock textures when shit like that was literally what generative AI was designed to do? There has to be someone making tools like this so a dev can say "make me a dark granite texture at [insert resolution] or " make me a crater with a field of boulders" and have it happen. Being able to automate a significant chunk of that grunt work as opposed to offshoring it would make life so much easier and cheaper and the proc-gen potential is huge. You could have a game like daggerfall but have the cities be actually worth visiting by randomly adding elements like an ethnic ghetto or the town rioting because the latest beer shipment was hijacked by orcs and is being held for ransom or showing up on a local holiday and having services not be available. I'm actually a bit optimistic on this subject because despite the whining and crying of devs about "muh jobs" and "muh industry crisis" the people holding the pursestrings care about the money and when their attention falls on some indie game with a budget of approximately tree fiddy US made with AI that has more scope in its open world than most AAA games they're going to say "why the fuck are we paying hundreds of millions of dollars to marginally competent contractors when we could be doing this ourselves" and there will be a cull. Hopefully this is already happening.

>>1053221 >make hideously bloated rock textures And this shit started quite a while ago. Metal Gear Rising is ~25 gigabytes, but ~21 of that is uncompressed, prerendered cutscenes. The fucking game itself is NOTHING compared to that.

>>1053164 Nigger I have a 960 and could play helldivers 2 just fine.

>>1053228 >helldivers 2 I loved that game and it hurts how dirty Sony did it.

>>1053121 >>1053127 Yeah I don't really visit /v/ that often whether here or on botnetchan much because people here mostly jerk off over the latest shitware that requires a RTX 5090 to run smoothly on 1080p with DLSS and 200GB of available storage. >>1053221 >Being able to automate a significant chunk of that grunt work as opposed to offshoring it would make life so much easier and cheaper and the proc-gen potential is huge. You could have a game like daggerfall but have the cities be actually worth visiting by randomly adding elements like an ethnic ghetto or the town rioting because the latest beer shipment was hijacked by orcs and is being held for ransom or showing up on a local holiday and having services not be available. You can make a Daggerfall Unity mod right now to do exactly what you're describing. So why aren't you? Why are you instead just pontificating on /v/ right now if you're implying it's so easy? For me it would be demoralizing to try to use AI generated content and put it together. If you're an artist, director, designer or whatever else, you need to feel motivated to do your work. If you're not motivated, you'll either produce nothing (because you're doing it for free or for yourself) or you'll produce garbage (i.e. you're only doing it because you're getting paid to by an employer, which isn't a strong motivation for artists). Creative work requires a different mindset from algorithmic/programming work. Trying to figure out whether your plot feels interesting, which ChatGPT is not capable of determining despite what techbros and investors claim, is not the same as designing and implementing a physics engine.

>>1053245 > because people here mostly jerk off over the latest shitware that requires a RTX 5090 to run smoothly on 1080p with DLSS and 200GB of available storage. <On a board that shits on most new games and in a hardware thread where everyone has been relentlessly shitting on Nvidia

>>1053228 Oh, sure. There are plenty of games still being release that I can run. A growing number can't be. I'm fine with that (mostly) because a lot of them are commie propaganda. Some are cool that my system just can't handle. I'll upgrade when I upgrade. Might be another decade, honestly. Plenty of games I enjoy that I can still play.

>>1053245 >You can make a Daggerfall Unity mod right now to do exactly what you're describing. >So why aren't you? Why are you instead just pontificating on /v/ right now if you're implying it's so easy? I'm not implying that it's easy, I'm wondering why someone hasn't already built tools to these ends when this kind of thing is literally one of the primary use cases for generative AI and "this game has infinite [insert feature]s" still somehow manages to get the interest of people. >Creative work requires a different mindset from algorithmic/programming work. Yeah, I know. I haven't don't much game dev but I have a lot of experience with OSR tabletop games and those require both. >Trying to figure out whether your plot feels interesting, which ChatGPT is not capable of determining despite what techbros and investors claim, is not the same as designing and implementing a physics engine. Of course. My point is that in modern gaems there is a gargantuan amount of relatively low-skilled VFX labor (of the "it just needs to be good enough" flavor) that is already being farmed out. I'm not saying "AI should be writing games and designing characters" I'm saying "why the fuck would anyone pay hundreds of thirdies to make barely-adequate photorealistic background clutter when you could license an AI and do that for a fraction of the cost even with extensive retouching and editing". What I'm describing is more like an ecumenical flavor of Speedtree than ChatGPT; if you think that making rocks or texturing sidewalks or clutter in a dungeon is drudge work and you'd rather be doing something else then being able to press a button and get all of the "good enough" results you want means that you can spend more time and effort and money on things like writing.

>>1045665 Wait, WHITES post here?!

>>1053338 White Power

>>1045291 German Retailer Leaks Price of RTX Cards https://archive.is/63bDq RTX 5090 - $1999 / €2400 RTX 5080 - $999 / €1200 Revelation 6:8 - And I looked, and behold a green horse: and his name that sat on him was Jensen, and greed followed with him. And power was given unto them over the high-end GPU market, to kill with price, and with shortages, and with AI, and with the scalpers of the bay.

>>1053487 JFC that's $3,500 in dollarydoos for a 5090.

>>1053487 Meanwhile on the red team, the RX 9700 XT price has leaked at roughly $649. https://archive.is/hSzNm

>>1053488 You overestimate the exchange rate, the euro is close to parity with the dollar and it's $50/100 more than a 1:1 conversion

>>1053494 5090 and 9700 specs are?

>>1053496 Looks like they both have 16 gigs of VRAM.

>>1053498 Now compare all specs, instead of 1 you picked so the card with better Linux compatibility would look equal for cheaper.

>>1053501 AMD only exists for comparing to nvidia for most people. Once you look over $500 it usually skews toward nvidia because they aren't afraid to draw 400W for 10% better performance.

>>1053503 >400W for 10% better performance. Compare all specs between RTX 5090 and RX 9700 XT then. Doubt this holds up at a 1350 price difference.

>>1053488 >Euro Don't worry, if you're a Mohammadian, I'm sure there's a government program that will get you a 5090 for free. If you're a native, well find a Mohammadian friend the ones who don't stab you are close enough and let him see if he'll let you game for a bit on the card you bought him.

>>1053504 I mean it did before.

>>1053506 It didn't hold up before, RTX is ahead big there almost everywhere. "Much faster effective speed" there is +68%, not +10%. "Hugely better lighting effects" at +113%, "much better reflection handling" at +51%, "faster multi rendering" at +18%, "hugely faster NBody calculation" at +146, "value and sentiment" at +107%, and 8 times the speed rank.

>>1053506 Isn't the highest end AMD card the Rx 7900 xtx? Also I recently heard a rumor AMD and Microsoft are planning to make the next generation of cards use Pluton for game DRM

>>1053487 It'd be better if you could coax the AI image-gen into getting the paler shade of yellow-green the verse actually describes. >>1053506 What site is this from? Is it that UserBenchmark shill site that also declared the X3D CPUs worse than Intel's latest gen?

>>1053501 >picked Nigger, that's all we know. Shut the fuck up with your fanboy bullshit.

>>1053530 Scientific measures are shills but fanboys here aren't? Other benchmarkers aren't far off, are all on Jensen's payroll? >>1053487 >>1053494 >>1053496 >>1053498 >>1053501 >>1053503 >>1053504 >>1053506 >>1053509 You're an NVIDIA fanboy in a thread of them, so I'll quote link the discussion so everyone can see. I don't support fanboy projection, NVIDIA, nor AMD, and won't buy from either. My graphics card is a teenager. Historically, >>1053506 and >>1053509, and it isn't all we know. For example, ZOTAC prematurely listed the 5090 with 21760 CUDA cores and 32GB G7 512b.

You're an AMD fanboy, not an NVIDIA fanboy.*

>>1053544 >Scientific measures There's nothing scientific about that site. Their numbers are worthless fantasies they make up to support their conclusions.

>>1053487 >>1053091 >Meanwhile Intel has 12GB on $250 card Can't believe INTEL of all companies has most valuable product

>>1053550 >cheaper=more valuable t.

Ventiva has just launched its ICE9 thermal management suite that works completely silently and without any moving parts. It will launch with devices packing up to 25W processors at CES in a few days, but it is expected to be able to cool partner laptop designs up to 40 watts TDP by 2027. Ultra-compact form factor, with a device height of just 12 mm. This makes it the ideal solution for thin-and-light laptops, allowing OEMs to use relatively high-powered processors while preventing thermal throttling. So, aside from letting laptop makers build sleek devices, it could also allow them to insert additional components to extend the function of their device, like Framework’s dual M.2 module that slots in the empty space between the fan of its Framework Laptop 16 Expansion Bay.

>>1053552 That anon was obviously talking about the TFlops to cost ratio, you big dummy.

>>1053558 >That anon was obviously talking about what I redefined him to be talking about! You're bad! (forgot greentext)

>>1053557 see >>1051455

>>1053550 Has intel fixed all their driver issues since they were running a dx9 to dx12 wrapper? >>1053557 As other anons have mentioned ionizing air will produce ozone and nitrous. How the fuck will that work out? Better cooling needs some work put into it <1053552 <1053563 trying too hard to bait chaim

>>1053566 The drivers are allegedly much better but I'm not in the market for one thus didn't pay much attention how far it went.

>>1053565 Didn't see, more hardware news as apology. Scientists and engineers from the University of Bristol and the UK Atomic Energy Authority (UKAEA) have successfully created the world’s first carbon-14 diamond battery with the potential to power devices for thousands of years.

>>1053567 The reviews said they didn't encounter any driver related issues but then again they're testing on newer titles to begin with. Might have to check older games and how it fares against them

>>1053494 >16GB >similar power consumption If I was in the market for a new GPU, I'd still go green. Better for A.I and all that.

>>1053581 >I'd still go green. If Nvidia wasn't a bunch of faggots and would open source their Linux driver, this wouldn't be a problem.

>>1053601 Aren't they? I heard they're trying to, but obviously don't buy it until it's a done deal.

Can any video card decode 8k60fps YouTube without dropping frames? Pic related is with my RX 6400. I've heard high-end vs low-end doesn't matter, only the generation of decoder matters. Meaning, for example, an RTX 4060 would decode video better than a 3090 Ti. Is that accurate?

>>1054051 > an RTX 4060 would decode video better than a 3090 Ti. Is that accurate? Yes for the most part, a 3090ti will not encode or decode as efficiently, but it'll handle more streams at once compared to a 4060, but since I doubt you're watching many videos at once it's not an issue for common use.

>>1054051 Rx 6400 and Rx 6500 xt don't have video encoder/decoders inside. You are doing everything off the CPU with software

>want to upgrade rig >mainly emulate >want avx512 for rpcs3 >want something a like a more efficient 12900k https://youtu.be/pAhySwKcNw4 >watch wendell vid and hold back my disbelief >glorified e-waste <BUT IT HAS EVERYTHING I WANT >IT IS ALSO $200 <only uses ddr4 <it's intel 13th gen >mfw https://e.tb.cn/h.TTf6Dfq26EI2ZGk?tk=KJOw3zC2VqO HU0854 I'm going to get this and undervolt it even further for degradation reduction and temperature savings, this is basically an endgame budget emulation build if tweaked correctly. wish me luck niggers, will report back.

>>1054172 Looking forward to what you find.

>>1054174 >Check 13650HX >899 chinkbux >123 dollars >TDP of 55 W >864 single core score https://valid.x86.fr/6x8saa >glorious Fucking hell that's amazing, 6 high performance cores is perfect for emulation, not sure if AVX512 can be enabled but if so e-cores will be off, I'll get this and the highest end one and report back. If they end up performing the same then this is the emulation king of 2025.

>>1054178 It is a laptop CPU, and you want to use a laptop-to-desktop adapter to make it work? Why? Does efficiency is needed that much?

>>1054190 It's a shill, don't try to make sense of it.

>>1053601 Nvidia Linux compatibility is near parity with AMD now and has been for like a year or two.

>>1054809 It's kind of fucked because if you want a card that competes performance wise on many activities AMD is just worse and more unstable. (Owing to DLSS/AI support which really is just a dev crutch) And it's not even really hardware that's doing this (it could be) but rather AMD's retarded drivers causing crashes and shit even on modern non-flagship hardware. I'm using a 6750 XT and certain things just cause it to die. Enabling any form of raytracing hard crashes the GPU. Certain applications hard crashes the GPU. Dragons Dogma 2 day 1 had issues. Space Marine 2 same thing. Black Myth Wukong. Monster Hunter Worlds. Elden Ring. Fuck I even had a gfx ring 0.0.0.0 timeout on goddamn FFXIV and my 1060 1gb handled that no problem. There really isn't any excuse why shit should be so fucking unstable. If I use any form of AI generation it can crash just by touching the settings a bit wrong. I can do 50 816x1024 images (this is slowish, 20-30 seconds per image) of Palutena popping a squat with her cheeks spread, but the moment I flip the dimensions to 1024x816 my card gets Yamcha'd every single fucking time. Again, this clearly not hardware. This is the software side of AMD being utterly retarded. I hate Intel. I specifically ignored any and all Intel CPUs in favor of AMD for a good reason. But I'd probably be more likely to buy a Intel B series graphics card if it rubs its balls over AMD by having good support, good performance/$, and not fucking dying if I look at it funny. I'm not even considering Nvidia because I'm not made of money.

>>1054811 Nvidia competes better performance wise, but for Linux gaming, AMD is more stable. Neither's stable, so you'll crash and face issues on AMD too, but AMD's more stable, I won't make big posts to argue but Anons' own research fairly conducted (no cherry picks) will prove this.

>>1054811 It's mostly devs working with nvidia and amd having to catch up on their own. It's half of why intel sucked ass and had to make fixes to the driver one game at a time, the other half being their retarded dx12 emulation.

>>1054809 >Nvidia Linux compatibility is near parity with AMD now and has been for like a year or two. That's still not an excuse for their drivers not being open-source.

>>1054826 https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-towards-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/

>>1054178 The only one really worth using is the 12900HX one, since it's half the price of the regular one and it's actually worth it in a few cases since it's guaranteed to have AVX512, whereas this 13650HX for example is gonna be a worse clocking 13600k which can probably be found for not much more than that especially secondhand. >not sure if AVX512 can be enabled but if so e-cores will be off Not on the 13th gen ones (the seller copypasted the description), the 12th gen ones however do allow for it.

>>1054178 >>1054828 What's AVX512 and how's it boost emulation?

>>1045294 They're making the same mistake Intel did during the P4 era and nobody learned.

>>1054831 AVX512 is an instruction set that allows your CPU to make certain operations in a smaller amount of cycles compared to another CPU without that instruction set AVX512 happens to match a few things some consoles do so it basically means free performance if your CPU supports its, it's mostly useful on RPCS3 currently as it can be 20-50+% faster depending on CPU and game but switch emulators do benefit a little as well (iirc more like 5-15%) and whenever PCSX2 devs stop being lazy lying fucks that'll help there as well.

>>1054828 If you're gonna burn shekels to get an engineering sample, the 12900K is like 80 bux, no need for an inferior mobile chip. https://e.tb.cn/h.ThXekK0OlgOYDGX?t You need to open the chink app and possibly get an agent to ship it from bugmanland

>>1054870 The problem with 12900k ES is that CPU PCIe lanes are unusable, which is very detrimental in a lot of cases but especially RPCS3, you can sort of bypass the issue by using the iGPU but you're not gonna be doing much with that, the mobile chip thing doesn't have this issue Besides the 12900HX is the same silicon as the retail 12900k, just binned differently.

>>1054878 I see, that does sound like a waste. How much of a hit does the HX 12900 take compared to the K?

>>1054887 If you don't tweak it it's a big hit as the mobile chip is still hit wit h a very strict power limit But if you tweak it manually it shouldn't have any issue hitting 4.8-5.2 on all P cores, which is worse than a desktop chip (usually more along the lines of 5.2-5.5) but still interesting for the price, The mobile chip tend to run lower voltages for equivalent frequency but they wall very hard much earlier in frequency (which might also come from the fact that they use thermal paste instead of solder under the IHS, I've not found anyone with a delidded one yet to confirm that).

>>1054891 Do all 12th gen ES chips come with unusable PCIe lanes or just the 12900k? This shit looks like a damn fine deal, 12400f perf for 25 dollars is a steal

>>1054892 All of them, intel has gone out of their way to sabotage ES chips for resale after 10th gen.

>>1054827 >kernel modules Yes, but the userspace drivers are not open-source, and, to my knowledge, Nvidia has no plans to make them open-source.

>>1054893 Fuck, so how's this one then? It's 136 dollars, or 999 yuan. It's a 12900HX and it seems there is nothing wrong with it https://e.tb.cn/h.T6pv5QrOFYvk553?tk=y311eaU47B1 It should surely be better than >>1054178 right? Shame about the 13th gen mobile chips not supporting AVX512, would've gotten the 13980HX otherwise.

>>1055055 >It should surely be better than >>1054178 right? For RPCS3 absolutely yeah otherwise not really Also couple things to know >You'll have to mess around with the socket retention mechanism to add spacers, it's easy but you have to do it, everything you need comes with the CPU >using a retention plate instead is possible but it'll still need spacers >You can still overclock on B760/660 >if you want DDR5 only mobo with 2 DRAM slots are really supported and tops out around 6400-6800 >DDR4 works with 4 slots and tops out at 3800-4000 >make sure you understand how enabling AVX512 works and what mobo allow for it easily, otherwise getting the 12900HX is pointless (MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 with early BIOS is the easy way) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH1LGwgP2Gk Has a lot of good info both in the video and comments

Huawei's 1 TB model of eKitStore Extreme 200E SSDs, according to https://x.com/Jukanlosreve/status/1873003621270601891, is available for purchase at a South Korean retailer for only $32. They use QLC-based NAND chips and lack DRAM.

>>1055329 >QLC-based NAND chips and lack DRAM i am vomit

>>1055329 It'll shit itself after a terabyte of writes and will call back to Winnie. Though I'll wait for performance metrics on the first point. If it's good enough other companies will do it and the second won't matter

I was wondering why hasn't the SATA interface hasn't had a bandwidth upgrade in 16 years while other interfaces are improving in that regard. Then I thought, well bandwidth is limited on the motherboard & CPU's lanes so maybe it wouldn't be feasible to make SATA faster while newer interfaces are hungrily eating up more those bandwidth resources. Still. It's a little strange that SATA had stagnated when it comes to bandwidth when it's so widely adopted. I guess traditional HDDs are still necessary for the higher capacity & data hording, although their speed seems more & more antiquated every year. I thought in the future if SATA doesn't improve in any meaningful way it could eventually not even be included on boards with people being forced to use add-on interfaces for their HDDs, but then again, there are cost-cutting skinflints still putting USB 2.0 on boards, a standard which is 24 years old. So long as SATA is cheap to add to the board maybe it'll never go away. It's still a bit annoying seeing SATA SSDs never really get any faster while the cost premium of M.2 SSDs over SATA diminishes.

I want to buy a joystick for pc to play emulators. Should i just get an xbone one? Is there a knock off controller that's actually good?

>>1055568 M.2 is the successor. SATA doesn't need to be faster because it can never improve itself over what M.2 already is.

>>1055513 I was going to say the same thing. I wouldn't trust a single fucking thing made out of a Chinese brand. Not electronics, not housewares, not clothes, not anything.

>>1055572 A PS5 Gamepad you're set for everything.

>>1055585 There is U.2 for datacenter use for higher capacity and hot swap, don't ask me how the pcie lanes work when you have 60 of these shoved into one system.

>>1055572 8bitdo hall effect controller or what >>1055591 said.

>>1055600 Got a 8SHITdo Ultimate 2.4dingdongbbq Ultradeluxe whatever edition. Since my Switch Pro has been drifting harder than a Toyota AE86, I thought I'd treat myself for Christmas. It's shit. SHIT B-button can't decide if it wants to actuate if it is anything less than gigagorilla pressed. And the Dpad, fuck me sideways, what a complete and utter piece of garbage. >loud as shit >wobbles around inside the housing >press left/right at the absolute tippytop tip <up/down start freaking out I SPIT on the eternal chinaman. I AM MAD

>>1055614 Punished for not using the superior snes style one with ps stick layout tbh fam.

>>1055591 >>1055600 >>1055614 Welp, after pondering if a knock off controller would be a good idea i decided to go and sadly, support Sony.

>>1055658 Enjoy your drift!

>>1055661 I hope you are bullshiting me because that's what happened when i bought a ps3 controller.

>>1055662 I kept mine in a carry case to avoid so much as dust getting on it, still got crazy drift. If you have a desoldering station or hot air gun you can probably add your own hall effect sticks. Also had a trigger spring break but it was a $1 fix from aliexpress. The dualsense edge or whatever often has the swappable stick modules out of stock and drift even more often, and for $200 you can buy a premodded normal one. Hence the vouch for the 8bitdo pro 2, the hall effect snes looking one with handlebars.

>>1055614 I got a Dualshock 5 on sale during 2022 and never had an issue with drift ever.

>>1055662 Most modern PS3 controllers are fake, Sony sold the molds and stuff to some random Chinese companies and have completely different internals

>>1055661 >>1055662 That's what happened every time I bought PS4 controllers but after heavy use and before that they're good controllers.

>>1055614 8bitdo pro 2 myself. My only issue with it is the buttons are switch orientation. When xbox/piss5 orientation is basically the only thing that works well on PC. And to switch those buttons you need to buy the buttons from their store. Pain in the ass. But it's a pretty good controller.

>>1055690 I like the orientation since I emulate Nintendo and many Nintendos have that orientation but ignored 8bitdo Pro 2 since my friend's 8bitdo Pro 2 had a shit pad, I emulate lots of 2D so didn't buy one.

>>1055568 >>1055585 There is SAS - Serial Attached SCSI for daisy-chained and hot-swappable drives. The cables got a bandwidth increase but each individual drive didn't get faster. It added enterprise stuff like supporting hot-swap and connections backplanes in enclosures. M.2 is generally more convenient/faster for basic use except for heat dissipation. You can get PCI-Express card risers to add more M.2 sockets than what motherboards give, but moving that heat is really difficult. The accumulated heat would result in speed downgrades and potentially reduced service life. Then you also get the shitshow of Gen 3, Gen 4 or Gen 5 speed compatibility, 2240 / 2280 sizes, whether M.2 also supports SATA-legacy access mode of SSDs. It's almost like following USB 3 standards

>>1045304 Got an update here. Pros: >A new PC for the new year. >Space for days. 1 8tb SSD for games and 1 8tb HDD for everything else. Can add another M2 drive if I need to. I was running drives that had 90k hours on the previous rig. >Lots of airflow. 7 fans. No DUST. >New AMD core. Ryzen 7 is so, so good. My old one was a Ryzen 5 1600 and that was worn out from 8 years of serious gaming. This one is lightning fast. It took me 36 hours to copy across all my files. New rig says it'll take about 8 hours or so to move 4 tb across. >This set up should last me at least a few years. This was necessary so I'm glad it works right out of the box. Cons: >Need to reinstall all my games, lots of pirated ones but I don't mind as I was going to do that anyway. >Case is a bit heavier than my old rig. It's got tempered glass and the electricals were fed through the hard drive slots making installing a 2nd drive harder. There's also only 2 extra hard drive slots compared to my previous rig of 4. >It's noisy. The Ryzen 7 is a powerful core but it's one step away from requiring water cooling. So instead I went for a fan and that thing spins up like a prop engine. It is noticeable outside my room. >Haven't tested the 4070 yet but it's an actual brick compared to my previous 1070. Worried how it's going to work in a high graphics demanding game. >Windows 11. Jesus I had heard how bad this thing was and I was comfortable with 10 for awhile but even still. Some minor gripes. >Windows are round instead of square. >The Taskbar can't be moved and is fucked. Searching is fucked. Control Panel has everything hidden and is fucked. >I require Explorer Patcher + OpenShell + OOSU10 + Win10 Task Manager just to make thing functional. >Windows will make your appdata folder the first 5 letters of your email address instead of your actual name for some reason. >Context menus hide actual menus. >Pushing One Drive and 365 in your face with needing to use a third party utility to turn it off. >Found a reddit post saying MS showed ads in notifications, because of course they did. >For some reason, scrollbars auto hide on the right side of the browser. This is set not just by Firefox but by Win11 which has an option to >Always show scroll bars turned to off. >If you're thinking of moving to another OS, try Ubuntu or Mint. Don't try 11 cause it ain't worth it. I'm gonna look into making a clone partition with Ubuntu, cause using 11 all the time might be a bit beyond me.

>>1056339 >Ubuntu or Mint Fedora works great for me, for what it's worth.

>>1056339 Kind of why I planned to go with mITX my next build, if it's heavy it damn well better be small. Already built one for a nas so I'm pretty aware of the size constraints. Might possibly shove everything into a rack with 2U cases for nas and 3U for desktops just to be tidy and hide the UPS and networking gear.

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 is much less hellish than 11, first link here. https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

>>1056461 First link under "Windows 10 LTSC 2021," not first link.

>>1056339 >Lots of airflow. 7 fans. No DUST. Anyone else with gas heating? What do you guys do as the decades pass and the residue begins to build up on your PCBs and the inside of the case?

>>1056466 What do you mean gas, like a natural gas furnace and forced-air vents? I've never had any problems from that kind of hvac, you might want to have all your ductwork cleaned, change your furnace filters more often, or something with the igniters maybe. If there's no ductwork and it's just bare wood and drywall moving air you might have a nightmare inside there. Pet dander is the more likely culprit if you have one, or just fine dust that clumps up through static. In any case just use alcohol and swabs, but there is little impact to performance and only visibly opaque clumps can cause a small short circuit once bad enough.

>>1056469 Natural gas, yeah. After 15 years, my case internals have gotten a thin film of residue, but you get that on everything in the house with a gas furnace. It's just that I can throw the curtains in the washing machine and scrub everything else pretty easily. >In any case just use alcohol and swabs, but there is little impact to performance and only visibly opaque clumps can cause a small short circuit once bad enough. Fair enough. I have a northbridge heat sink to repair and I just wanted to know best practices for what else I can clean up while I have the thing disassembled. Thanks.

>>1045288 You guys be looking forward towards CES next week? Personally I'm hoping that the 5090 FE is about 2 slots due to my SFFPC.

>>1056762 >looking forward to a corporate advertisement lol, nothing good happens anymore in any industry. Speaking of which, the 5080 has leaked. 16GB RAM and 256-bit memory bus. https://archive.ph/8p3YN

>>1056800 2.5 slots as well which is a good sign for the FE

>>1056800 >16GB RAM and 256-bit memory bus. And at even higher price point then the fucking 4080? Go fuck yourself NVIDIA!

>>1056800 >256-bit memory bus >while AMD's R9 390 from 2015 had a 512-bit bus Ebin.

>>1056800 so they're still anal about crypto and ai being used on consumer cards huh

>>1057009 Shame we have to wait another year or two for UDNA.

>>1056800 RTX 5090: 575W TDP RTX 5080: 360W TDP Completely fucking inexcusable.

>>1057181 At least it's only two slots

>>1056800 I can't wait for the 5080 ti Super to come out so I can finally afford the 4070 ti Super

>>1057181 >RTX 5090: 575W TDP Fucking christ.

>>1057181 >>1057314 Mit TSMC's 3nm Silikonphotonikverfahren wird das alles wieder in Ordnung kommen.

>>1057181 WHAT THE HELL!

>>1057181 Performance is better so it's fine. Check out the vrm difference, 4090 with the cutout shown.

>>1057345 >Performance is better so it's fine. You forgot the :^) face after typing that.

>>1057371 So true!

>>1057373 No, seriously, you forgot to show you were being sarcastic about that statement, because it isn't acceptable.

>>1057345 Being a drain on the powerline isn't the performance uplift people wanted.

>>1057376 Should they market it as the 5100 for more power consumption then? It's egregious but it's a performance ceiling you can downclock from, and I'm curious if performance matches the 5080 or 4090 if you equalize the power draw.

>>1057343 is she the same girl as this?

>>1057423 No.

>>1057345 >>1057371 When the 4090 came out it consumed more peak power yet achieved higher performance per watt than the 3090. I assume that's the logic when not caring about electricity costs. But even disregarding electricity costs what's not "fine" is that when more power is consumed more heat is produced. I start to wonder if the trend of computer cases with better airflow has played a role in bringing us here since a "hot box" is no longer the default assumption even for budget cases.

More 5090 confirmed leaks ahead of tomorrow's announcement. https://archive.ph/EzoK9 21,760 CUDA cores 32GB GDDR7 on a 512-bit memory bus 3.5 slots

>>1057953 2.5k I bet.

>>1057953 from article

>>1057956 Something tells me they don't want people to get a 5080 and skip to the 5090 Greedy, smart fucks.

>>1057970 The pricing has always incentivized this. "Just a few more hundred dollars gets me 20% better performance" except they didn't make a 5080ti or 5090ti yet to fill the curve. If you wanted a 5070, the ti option looks better, but then the 5080 is right there, and now you might as well pay for a 5090.

>>1057953 The newer the GPU the more like a brick it looks

>>1057956 The amount of "influencers" and sheep buying the 4090 has made it abundantly clear to nvidia that as long as you make your halo product look the best and competition sucking their own thumbs in diapers, they can coerce people buy into an overpriced product and gimp the rest of the lineup with no consequences. Can't wait for Intel to release B770/780 for something around $400

BUY MY CARD /v/! https://yewtu.be/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8

>>1058003 >they can coerce people buy into an overpriced product and gimp the rest of the lineup with no consequences. The most hilarious (and shockingly ironic) thing about the modern GPU market isn't just that Intel seems to be getting its shit together. It's that literally Apple has been able to make an SOC GPU (currently available only in a FUCKING LAPTOP) bench higher than the desktop 4070 after only five years of hardware iterations. I think the future of consumer GPUs might be Intel vs. Apple, which just proves that reality took one look at 1945 and said, "You're on your own from here on out."

Intel CES 2025 keynote concluded, here's the cliff notes >AI >"Intel Arc B70" >AI >The Cloud >AI >5 minute Windows 11 ad >AI >Arrow Lake Mobile >AI >Panther Lake 2025

>>1058044 >>1058085 >Intel GPUs Aren't Intel drivers still trash? Seems like every driver update there's a handful of games with 90-300% performance uplift because those games didn't fucking work. It's like a running joke now, yet many are duped due to what I can only assume is Intel's deep pockets for astroturfing.

>>1058086 It's because there isn't a set standard for what a driver should do, helldivers 2 still crashes and runs like shit on amd gpus because the devs only care about the majority on nvidia gpus, engine updates for things like ue5 and unity don't affect past games unless the devs port to the updates. AMD and now intel manually intervene when the former 2 fail to optimise for their cards, and obviously there's a large back-catalog to go through for intel. Call it apologism but that's why intel cards are priced cheaper for now, because it's more of a risk than turning down settings that usually mitigates AMD's faults.

CES is doing its thing. HDMI 2.2 has been announced. 96Gb/s bandwidth, but I bet it still won't be found on displays that would otherwise require it to output full resolution! The RTX 5080 is slated for a January 21 release. Stringless Guitar for… uh… people. Qualcomm is releasing desktop ARM chips. Finally Apple has a competitor. "Smart" doggie door. Because humans are apparently too retarded for regular ones now. Not deterred by Amazon's worthless piece of shit robot that did literally nothing, Samsung is releasing its own worthless piece of shit robot that does literally nothing. Finally, John Deere, expecting all spics to be exterminated from the United States (none will be deported), has created a self-driving lawnmower.

>>1058116 When's the Qualcomm showcase, I'd like to see how it compares to AMD.

>>1058131 Not sure, but there's a pretty thorough once-over of them here: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/qualcomm-teases-mini-desktop-pc-announces-8-core-snapdragon-x-chip-to-bring-arm-powered-windows-copilot-laptops-down-to-usd600 https://archive.ph/TGsqr

>>1058037 Eat my ass Jensen.

>>1058116 >Stringless Guitar for… uh… people. Are we getting the band back together, boys?

LG announced a microwave with a 27" touchscreen and Wi-Fi. How long before we see fat sacks of shit playing video games on it as they wait for their frozen Hungry Man™ meals to poison them with microplastics and artificial ingredients. https://archive.ph/hOT3n

>>1058178 Still better than telling nips convection ovens are healthy microwaves.

>>1058085 >Windows 11 ad I'm still laughing at how fucked that mess is. Further breaking everything with that 24H2 update is impressive. >>1058178 More crap for the "Who the hell asked for this" category.

>>1058148 BUY HIS CARD NOW!

>>1058178 >STOP ENJOYING TECHNOLOGY YOU ASSCLOWN FATFUCK DIAPERTARD

>>1058185 >STOP ENJOYING TECHNOLOGY I already have son, I already have.

>>1058185 >put a screen and mandatory connection to the Internet on everything just because it's physically possible Welcome to Costco, kill yourself.

>>1058193 Technology stopped enjoying me.

>>1058193 >>1058196 >single ironic statement making fun of luddistic technophobia in newer image board culture >two 80s synthwave/BR2049 replies within minutes every stanza sort of rhymes

>>1058198 Always agree and amplify :^)

>>1058198 OK

>>1058203 You got it, famalama ding dong. Anyway, more CES shit: Robotic vacuum with an arm that can pick up your socks for you, you lazy motherfucker. Dell has yet again stolen something from Apple. It's renaming its product line using Apple's exact naming conventions. Dell, Dell Pro, and Dell Pro Max are their new product "tiers." Combine this with numbers for screen size and you can have an iPhone 16 Pro Max alongside your Dell 16 Pro Max. This totally won't cause a lawsuit! Acer is making an 11" handheld Switch knockoff. Wonder how many minutes the battery life is.

>CES is sucking off Nvidia go figure

>AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI >AI NIGGER

>Virtua Fighter 6 teased at Nvidia CES event Holy shit

Welp Glad I waited to upgrade

>2000 WELP

>>1058284 If base RTX 5070 is a piece of shit wholly dependent on AI generative garbage, I'm just gonna wait for RTX 4070 cards to go down in price and get that instead.

All this AI talk and yet all the AI I fight against in modern videogames suck ass.

>>1058284 Here's the laptop models, FYI.

>>1058298 >3,000 dollars Jesus Christ

Oh, and nVidia showed off a sample video to showcase their "AI" bullshit. Quote: >"Out of that 33 million pixels, we computed only two [million]," he said. "Everything else was predicted by AI, including entire frames." I don't like this future. It just makes designers and coders even more lazy.

>>1058284 Sucks, but we already knew because the price leaks I posted earlier were TRUE. >>1053487 I'm feelin' pretty smug about revealing this before Nvidia did.

>>1058284 >5070 ti >for 2080ti price >for 300 more cuda cores than a 4070ti super Get the super when it's under $600 instead and you'll be paying for what a 70ti product should actually cost, and that's pushing it. Otherwise wait for 4090 to go under 1000 dollars, memory aside, this gen is fucked.

>>1058284 Holy fucking shit I don't feel so bad about being stuck on console for the foreseeable future.

>>1058266 A I see you got dubs. nice.

>>1058355 You can get a 3060 and be good for years.

New games that need new cards aren't worth new cards, even if cards were 100 dollars.

>>1058395 >Sniff sniff.. smells lmao china mao furfag

>>1058391 Don't you want to play as John UnchartedIndian Jones, anon?

>>1058399 You mean the freeware software guy?

>>1058402 No, you're thinking of Linus from Linus Tech Tips. You know, that silly motherfucker that got BTFO'ed by Gandalf?

>>1058405 No i just came to shit in your thread because your argumentation for everything so far is retarded. Indian jones? Linux tech tips? Gandalf? What, are you another schizo escaping containment? Then tell me o wise one who can defeat jewddaism.

>>1058407 The spics.

>>1058284 >jensen claims 5070 has 4090 performance kek!

>>1058422 It does, if you're just counting only frames and ignoring the fact that only one in every four frames is a real frame that means anything.

>>1058432 What is a frame? A miserable little pile of secrets.

>>1058422 With DLSS on

>>1058405 Gandalf? You mean that wizard principal from Harry Potter?

>>1058284 Maybe this will drive down the prices of other cards if I'm lucky. I need a new card, but I'm not spending that fucking much for so little. >>1058302 >It just makes designers and coders even more lazy Yeah new games are already showing this by releasing even more unoptimized shit than before.

>>1058478 Go back

I'm seeing people actually say the $550 mid-tier card is good value. That used to be top-end. The PC building community have been successfully frog boiled.

>>1058568 >12 GB VRAM >Good value Fuck no

>>1058568 Welcome to Keynesian/MMT economics where you just print infinity currency all the time and kill anyone who says your system doesn't work. What's your point? Been asleep for the last century and a half? >>1058489 >Maybe this will drive down the prices of other cards >>1058570 >12 GB VRAM >Good value I'm interested in seeing the first real-world benchmarks of the 5070 for this very reason. MSRP being $550 will shred the price of existing cards, so if the 5070 actually benches closer to, say, the 4070 Super, Ti, or Ti Super, that will mean those cards (already the most cost-effective on the market) will simply get even cheaper. And the Ti/Ti Super have 16 GB in them. I think they'll be the new sweet spot, but we'll have to see.

>>1058571 I'm so fucking sick of waiting though

>>1058571 modern keynesian* Keynes prescribed cutting back fiat when times are good, which everyone promptly ignored after his death in 1946.

>>1058568 >The PC building community have been successfully frog boiled The RTX 3070 8GB, which costed as much as a PS5, already did that job four years ago. In another two or three years when new consoles come out with 32GB of GDDR7 and a better feature set, this cycle of stupidity will start all over again. An RTX 5060 16GB at 448 GB/s wouldn't be the worst thing, but it will accompanied by a matching PCtard price tag.

>>1054178 How is that running at 5ghz with only 1.2v!? Will it still degrade?

>>1058649 If it's for laptops the circuit runs are probably short enough.

>>1058649 I'm so sorry but your post gave me a really stupid idea

>>1058571 >What's your point? Been asleep for the last century and a half? He was just saying what he saw other people saying about it. Why be such an asshole about it?

>>1058116 >Finally, John Deere, expecting all spics to be exterminated from the United States (none will be deported), has created a self-driving lawnmower. For shredding spics?

>new 50 series announced >previous 40 series flagship still has absolutely retarded prices >3 grand & up for anything new >even open box is still 2 grand I hate these goddamn greedy fucks so much.

>>1059143 I'm probably gonna sell my XTX for 600-700 for a 5090 honestly speaking.

>>1059152 Impulsive fat numale retard. Keep the XTX, you don't need a 5090.

>>1059152 >>1059181 Everyone knows it's overpriced. Don't need a single brain cell to see that. Yet the 5090 will BTFO everything else for A.I. art. Especially for relying on CUDA. Problem that remains is having deep enough pockets & that gets worse every generation.

>>1058546 I will never use fake frames.

>>1059294 Overpriced for /v/ but /v/ isn't their market.

no (you)s for you, its retarded price for everyone

>>1059466 Overpriced for every normal person. If someone tells you otherwise are stupid

>>1059543 Overpriced for normal people but normal people aren't their market either.

>>1059466 We literally are. We're their only actual market. It's just that we refuse to buy their shit when there's no reason to do so since there's nothing to play on it.

>>1059567 Sadly the GPU market won't crash like the AAA market since there's so much AI investor money, which is pretty much what the entire presentation was for.

>>1059567 >We're their only actual market You're tone deaf, Nvidia and AMD are now AI companies.

>>1059656 >You lived to see AMD become Jewish and Intel become the promising GPU company

>>1059658 Intel is in dire straights, we'll have to see if they're able to bounce back. But yeah, until this AI meme blows over, you won't see much progress in the GPU space. Just shit software

Is the rtx 50 series a win for GCtard? With global DLSS4 as an option, most games are now optimized with the performance and ultra appearance the devs intended, capable of running on low end gpus at over 60 fps. When the next generation of gpus comes out you can probably build a pc for under $600 using used parts, not much higher than consoles of the golden era do today.

>>1059656 Good for them. Maybe they should stop selling consumer graphics cards at all, then. Or maybe you're wrong.

>>1059567 Copium is strong. Reddit is nvidia's market, how else will they play their heckin' Indiana Jones game and collect funko pops as their bull rapes their little sister?

>>1059671 My point is that consumer grade GPUs aren't their main bread and butter anymore dumbshit. It's AI systems for several other big company businesses.

>>1059660 >Just shit software What? You don't want to play Minecraft that is 100% generated by AI? Yes, there is also a DOOM version

>>1059567 >>1059675 Nvidia's market are AI companies now, gamers could stop buying from them entirely and that probably wouldn't make much of a dent in their revenue. This is also why Jensen hypes up AI shit so much, if that bubble ever busts his company is in for rough times. They'd survive, but after brutal layoffs and downsizing. Arguably, AMD is actually in a safer long-term position despite their EBIT being barely 1% of Nvidia's.

>>1059683 >instantaneous self-gaslighting, the video game That's basically what it's like to live with memory loss.

>>1059683 The Doom one came first and is infinitely more coherent and impressive. AI Minecraft was done by some fucking techbros who had no idea what they were doing and the results look like it, they were trying to market it as "BROO WE CRATED A BRAND NEW GAME USING ONLY AI" when it's just dementia Minecraft.

>>1059683 >Joe Biden Vision

>>1059695 My problem with the DOOM one, is that I can't find a way to test it for myself, and every article or jewtuber commenting on it, just use the same video you posted, which for all I know was edited to not look as bad as the Minecraft one(which you can actually try it for yourself). With that said, it does seem to have a better "object permanence" system, than the Minecraft one.

>>1059683 Demntiacraft

>>1059683 Minezheimers

>>1059466 >>1059564 You're correct and anons should understand both Red & Green are shilling for AI for big corpos. Gamers and even high end creators ( 3D graphics, simulation, video creation) are being told to fuck off.

>>1053262 she's cute. name?

>>1059731 >>1059704 Mindcrapped

>>1059965 I wish mike matei's 9" dickaxe mined directly against my prostate and deep into my colon