Vegans favour pet animals (such as cats, dogs or rabbits) over things like insects or plants (both of which vegans have no remorse whatsoever over killing) because of the sounds they make. A plant can't show it is feeling pain and in the vast majority of cases (if not all) can't feel it either. It makes no sound, it does not twitch and it does not cower in fear. It doesn't even try to run away or defend itself. So to the braindead vegan that means they aren't causing harm or suffering. It is their parasitic excuse for causing this suffering: it doesn't seem to know it is suffering YET as it does not have a immediate pain response to tell it that it has been damaged. It just repairs the damage without shrieking in pain. If an animal that was made into a pet wishes to stay with its owner, for vegans this is still slavery even though that is the animal's choice and it would suffer less being torn apart by a rabid pack of wolves. Because when it is being torn apart by a rabid pack of wolves, it is far enough away somewhere deep into the forest for its cries to not be herd and its killing not to be seen. That is what makes it good: the animal's dying cries aren't causing the vegan suffering anymore. If an animal walks into a completely hermetically sealed box and then drops dead without even the slightest sound, their animal rights mission is accomplished (as can be seen with PETA killing all the animals it "saves" and then storing their meat in a freezer so nothing can eat it). If an insect does not make a sound as it is dying, it was never alive to begin with. It may have felt pain but it does not have the same psychological impact so its life value is zero. If they are capable of seeing the suffering through a computer screen, that means it must be stopped because it is causing the vegan suffering to see or hear something sad. And the thing that is causing them to be able to see it through their computer screen or TV monitor has to be stopped by any means necessary. They were perfectly fine with humane killing all up to the point where someone showed them it through a screen, they were the ones that called for it to begin with. But now that they have seen it, it's time to fight against that too.

>>5478 to be fair insects, and fish all not don't have a very complex nervous system so they can't experience pain the same way birds and mammals do, invertebrates will self amputate themselves to avoid danger

>>5481 >invertebrates will self amputate themselves to avoid danger And dogs will commit suicide when sufficiently depressed, snakes will bite their own tail if they are hopelessly trapped for long enough and some lizards will sever their own tail to escape predators (as far as I recall, snakes and lizards have spines). Humans will to amputate their own limbs (preferrably with another human performing the act but generally doing so willingly and in some cases even without the other human) if those become infected in a manner that is felt may result in death. That death is not guaranteed, it is simply a very credible danger to their life. >to be fair insects, and fish all not don't have a very complex nervous system so they can't experience pain the same way birds and mammals do In other words, you are simply repeating the same thing I said in the hopes it somehow convinces me otherwise. You yourself even acknowledge that fish can feel pain, just that you aren't able to sympathise because you wouldn't be able to feel it the same way. In other words, it does not cause you sufficient suffering after looking at it because you are incapable of internally mimicking the pain of a fish. As stated before, animal rights activism, and along with it veganism, is simply retards being too scared to acknowledge the reality of nature. And this refusal is why the world is the way it is today.

>>5488 Lobsters won't acknowledge their loss of limbs or scars ect. There isn't a known case where invertebrates experience chronic pain. You are ageing in bad fath.

>>5488 >>5490 He's still not wrong. Nature doesn't show mercy. We have to accept that we are higher beings and treat the lesser beings like lesser beings because we value ourselves more. Veganism is just antiracism taken to an extreme. It's the same idea of two animals being equal because they both exist. We are better than niggers and better than non-human animals, so we take ourselves the right to subjugate them just like higher advanced aliens would do with us if they came to earth.

>>5531 >muh niggers That seems irrelevant, but you're otherwise spot-on.

There's nothing wrong with killing for our own survival if we at least try to make it quick and painless. Studies support that it makes for tastier meat, I hear, so why not? Animal Husbandry doesn't have to be a race to the bottom for quality and cost. Equally, we can have non meat alternatives readily available; the two aren't mutually exclusive. If we throw away all the climate change stuff, raising cattle, 'ethically', etc, animals like cows are still very resource intensive to raise. There are a lot of situations where it would be practical and sensible to consider alternatives, unless the counter proposal is depopulation Again, not a race to the bottom, this doesn't have to end in bug paste.

>>5531 >It's the same idea of two animals being equal because they both exist. Wrong. They do not believe it in such a fashion because then they would persecute meat-eating animals for being bullies and not just people. They believe in the superiority/inferiority of humankind and that it, in contrast to the rest of the animal kingdom, is the only creature that deserves this sort of treatment. Giving pets vegan food is largely just the type of virtue signalling you see with Karens, they would do that even without the mind parasite. That is less about vegan mindset and more about what kind of bullshit they can pull in order to grab your attention and show how virtuous they themselves are. The reason why I say superiority/inferiority is because they proclaim humans to be superior in every single way with the sole exception of morality. Even though it is humans that have the most developed sense of moral thought, humans are still seen as inferior for going for their instincts to eat other animals because they are the only ones with moral agency. And, of course, "it's not fair" to play on the heart strings of the egalitarian freaks, but it really isn't equality that they seek. If they believed animals are morally equal to humans, they would have come to terms with nature. They would acknowledge that humans eating animals is just as natural as animals eating humans. But they do not. They believe that humans should leave nature alone (a task that is impossible considering the fact that nature is everything outside humanity) and that predators in nature are "just natural". This sort of mindset demonstrated by vegans is a belief inherited from Abrahamic religions where humans are put on a special pedestal where they are surrounded by nature but never part of it. Not because animals are incapable of moral thought, at least I don't recall any explicit statement phrased in such a manner. It is because humans are special. You can't gain natureness and you can't lose it, you are born as a freak that is separate from all living things. Nothing can become human and humans can only approach unhumanness, but they will still remain human. Whereby nature is defined as everything that isn't human and humans are defined as everything that isn't natural. >A meteorite crashed into your front lawn? Just nature, nothing peculiar about that >A volcano just erupted? Planned that way by God but still just nature >An anthill and the complex internal networks within it? The lord above works in mysterious ways, but that is how he made nature out to be >A house made out of wood by humans? Woah, easy there buddy: that is A R T I F I C I A L and S Y N T H E T I C They are simply inverting the hatred for nature present in Abrahamic religion into hatred for humanity. But it is still the same relationship, simply inverted to be treasonous towards humankind. So although they strayed away from Christianity for a self-destructive atheistic belief system, they still hold a lot of the same mindset.

>>5629 Most vegans think that you can feed everyone including animals corn, fruits and vegetables and they'll live fine because da vitamins. They do not put themselves below animals. Only others because they view themselves as individuals. So their solution is to just not have children and reduce the humans to a level that doesn't harm nature or whatever. You're overthinking it. They don't even realise we, cats and dogs can't live without meat. (we could with unpasteurised diary products and eggs I think but cats would die simply because they need taurine from raw meat) >inherited from Abrahamic religions A good point. Jews and biblefags are indeed the propagators of the idea. >They believe in the superiority/inferiority of humankind and that it, in contrast to the rest of the animal kingdom, is the only creature that deserves this sort of treatment. Wrong. Do you really think libshits support BLM for being black supremacist? They are young, dumb and naive. They believe that black people are actually being oppressed because teachers, people they know personally and media tell them! They want the nigger child from Africa to be equal to us. They don't understand that it's unrealistic. And they don't think we're more important than them. >>5545 One day you will understand, niggerlover. >>5551 >animals like cows are still very resource intensive to raise Wrong, you get milk for years, new cattle because they need to be pregnant to give milk and when they stop giving milk, they get butchered and you get meat. Most male calves get butchered too because you don't need that many for breeding. They mostly eat grass and hay which humans can't eat. Not even vegans eat that.

>>5632 >Most vegans think that you can feed everyone including animals corn, fruits and vegetables and they'll live fine because da vitamins. If you talk to some of them, you will see that feeding everyone and everything vegetables (including animals) is just an afterthought. They may have been introduced to it from the idea of feeding vegetables to humans before they were converted to veganism but it absolutely never starts with feeding predators vegetables. It was never the foundation for their belief system, so it makes absolutely no sense to pay attention to it as anything but a talking point. If they themselves dreamt up this idea as an afterthought then why give it any weight? >They do not put themselves below animals. Only others because they view themselves as individuals. You say that but their very obvious natural tendency to be drawn to leftism and globohomo in general suggests otherwise on both of these points. You don't see them flocking around Kaczynski very much. Sure, at the time of the creation of his work they were all for it but that was only because they got a taste of power, after which he was very soon forgotten within their ranks. The ones you see flocking towards Kaczynski are anarchists (both sides) and the right. To vegans it is simply food for thought and nothing else. I don't have it but I recall there being a screencap about the Crusades mentioning the purge of furries and vegans. Specifically ones that practiced starving themselves, upheld cuckoldry as good and held some other heretical beliefs I can't remember. If someone could find it, that would be great. It shows that what I have said very much holds and that them being leftists is in no way a mere coincidence. >Do you really think libshits support BLM for being black supremacist? Yes, they very much do. They believe it to be their best chance of destroying themselves and as such they support it. >They are young, dumb and naive. Dumb, young and naive is a very poor excuse. You cannot treat them like children forever >They believe that black people are actually being oppressed because teachers, people they know personally and media tell them! Yes but they don't care about the oppression itself beyond the previously mentioned "it hurts me more to watch than it does you to suffer" part. They couldn't care less about the nigs themselves. The oppression to them is simply a characteristic of wypipo, it is simply luggage on top that is seen as more reason for their own kind to be exterminated. Whether blacks experience the most beautiful of utopias or suffer the exact same fate that they wish upon you has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their decision making. >And they don't think we're more important than them. They don't just see us as "not as important". They see us as being worth less than dirt. There is no point in trying to argue that they are egalitarians when it is glaringly obvious that equality is simply a vehicle for them for that destruction that they seek.

>>5646 >You say that but their very obvious natural tendency to be drawn to leftism and globohomo Veganism and vegetarianism is actually quite common in the right wing circles too. At least in Germoney. >You cannot treat them like children forever Some people don't grow up mentally. Like these children with divorced parents who commute back and forth between them like a game ball. >Whether blacks experience the most beautiful of utopias or suffer the exact same fate that they wish upon you has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their decision making. Sects are irrational. The climate activists don't know shit about climate either. They've just been shown some pics of polar bears on ice floes and have been convinced by that. If they were such grown up responsible rational adults than they wouldn't become climate activists or BLM supporters. >They don't just see us as "not as important". They see us as being worth less than dirt. A cow that doesn't give milk anymore you butcher. Animals lives are not worth much. If you're for humans and animals being equal, you will reduce the worth of the human. >vid They can just make some sausage from those monkey brains. No reason to be worried.

I just came up with an anecdote to explain it to you. You know Heidi the girl of the Alps? She couldn't bear it when the goat she loved and raised was about to be butchered. Her grandfather let her keep it because she's a child so he has patience with her. Those people feel like her but are not so small and cute anymore. They didn't get how life works either because when they buy MCDonalds Big Macs they don't see how the animal is butchered or even just killed. They are basically retarded. Emphasises on re. Rural people all over the world never become vegetarians. They just see how it's done and how everyone in their family is doing it while growing up.

>>794 i predictated vegan and other weird sectarism because internet come easy for all. All stupid is allowed. In a past world some stupid believe shit but in reality they see its wrong, no one around do it. With the price of the good of internet. Sectarism will incress with blocking/ban all people who dont believe like them. It a good place to build a "bubble" of a certain community. The community becomming a little bigger, their belief increas from zero to one thousand time, statiscally its very impressive and some of them know about marketing. Their faith become obvious and will start to spread their believe. But in reality its a bubble, their are nothing more than in optimistic side 1% of humanity. Their are stupids and nothing in their life will make them bigger other than that *little hope*. U need to be prepared to other weird believe with more people will access to internet. For me its sad, im sad for them. To make a tag "fake news", will not be very effective. Their are too much various weird beliefs. Just dont spend too much time to argu, they will learn the life with the time in the mega bubble of the real life, because their are in also. PS : sorry for bad english

>>5632 There are places on Earth where grass is not readily available, and, relative to other forms of food cultivation, cattle are rather demanding over their entire lives. Ok, a smallholder with a few head can make do but on an industrial scale where operators have much less capacity to accommodate inefficiency, the costs become rapidly apparent. It's an immaterial criticism anyway because I am not trying to take your right to own cattle away, merely noting that people should find a best fit food source for their place of residence rather than wasting resources to defy the land and weather.

>>794 How much do you think furries contribute to the popularity of those preferences O.P?

>>5702 good point, diet should be based around the climate of the area.

Dogs are a replacement for children for NPC roasties with no eggs.

>>5531 >Lesser beings >Higher beings That's not how biology works. Evolution doesn't give a shit about inferiority or superiority, you either can survive in a certain environment or you don't.Yes we are technically better at surviving but I think "surperiority" and "inferiority" are really bad words to use there, because they cultivate narcissistic beliefs about ourselves in relation to the rest of the world and cause shit like veganism to take rise. We are not above animals, we are not on a higher rational levels than animals, we are more intelligent than most animals but we do not have any intristic qualities that differ from animals. We are part of the same system, and we aren't beneath or above shit that other animals do to survive, no matter how complex our social systems are or how advanced our technology is. At the end of the day we are still a bunch of talking apes with the same primal instincts as any other species. We might be better at cognitive functions than any other animal, but I'd like to see you try surviving alone underwater in an ocean. You could also argue that we have basically fucked our natural environment to such a fucking extent that we are basically driving ourselves into insanity as well, something that isn't as big of a problem for other animals. Our brains are wired to live in small tribes, not for living in large societies, Kaczynski was right Though you could also argue that life sucks for everyone on this god-forsaken planet which is kind of true.

>>5488 I bet you're the kind of monster that puts honey on his toast! WON'T YOU THINK OF THE ICKLE BWEES WEGS you damn sweetness thief.

>>7075 Indeed. >>7986 Women that have cats are better because they lack the same insecurity of women with big dogs, and the same delusion of women with small ugly dogs that act as baby replacements. Cats are independent predators, a woman that loves cats will appreciate a man.

>>794 ... I do not comprehend this. I for one appreciate cats and dogs (and many other animals) more than niggers. But, I would appreciate a fellow Aryan more.