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Transformers EarthSpark Anonymous 11/12/2022 (Sat) 16:54:43 No. 30412
First ten episodes of the newest series came out this weekend. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ffYHUHjZWpCUbcmqEyArKJ2pdl0D6-Xx
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>>31365 >Do you care about Transformers media outside the toys at all? How much of that have you already checked out? The Marvel comics and the original cartoon and movie, and Beast Wars are my favorites. My son and I enjoyed Armada a lot when it debuted, but Energon was a huge disappointment. Cybertron was cut short by that cocksucker Michael Bay's movies. Not sure why they couldn't run consecutively, but I guess when a douchebro made a movie featuring an orange girl and the Beef, Hebrow decided to go all in. I bought none of that shit. >>31361 >He doesn't just steal your bike, he IS your bike! My fuckin' sides!
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>>31367 >Trannyformers "We meet again, Post-Optimus Prime!" "And it will be the LAST time, Faggatron!"
>>31365 I think they just say the Quintesson's enslaved the Transformers and lied to them about their origins.
>>31154 Well he can still buy third party figures, many of them are unirronically better then their official counterparts
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>>31375 >Well he can still buy third party figures, many of them are unirronically better then their official counterparts For sure, but holy shit the money they want is completely jewy. I understand they don't have a factory full of Chinese orphan girls (maybe), but they want HUNDREDS for some of those figures. Look at this Hoist remake. I got the Hasbro one for FREE because nobody gives a shit about him. Yet here they want $129 US for him.
>>31375 My mistake, I meant 190 US dollars.
>>31379 You clever son of a bitch.
>>31386 My bad. I was thinking about how the Galaxy Shuttle is currently going for around $120+ and bamboozled myself.
>>31389 >>31378 Still cheaper then masterpiece line.
>>31395 >Still cheaper then masterpiece line. The masturbate line has like three good ones and then the rest are just meh. This is my favorite, by the way: why settle for boring old Masterpiece Optimus Primal when you can pay just as much for a translucent red one. Seriously, who the fuck greenlit this abortion?
I finally watched RotB because it's out on digital now. Still sucked ass like I thought. Off the bat, the plot makes no sense because it doesn't explain the time travel mechanics. So the Maximals are still supposed to be from the future but Scourge attacks them in that future, right? So they use the transwarp key to escape to ancient earth. Makes sense so far. Except why do they have beast modes already when they're not at earth yet? Furthermore, how does Scourge follow them to earth? He's in the future right? So how does he get to earth in 94? Unless the opening isn't in the future but the past after the Maximals arrived there from the future then went to ancient earth in that past only for Scourge to find them in the 90s from there? That doesn't make any sense though because how would Unicron follow them into the past? See the whole movie's plot just immediately falls apart in the first 20-30 minutes of the movie. That's not even getting into all the terrible designs for everyone, the shit voice acting, or the boring humans.
>>35356 >Maximals are still supposed to be from the future I dont think they're from the future, they just mention how the key they use can warp space time. >So how does he get to earth in 94? I just assumed they have ftl or something like it on a smaller scale. Unicron is too big and slow to get to different planets on his own will.
>>35356 > That doesn't make any sense though because how would Unicron follow them into the past? But, Earth IS Unicron. That's what was established in The Last Knight.
>>35358 They are. They don't technically outright say it but it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. Why would Primal be named after Optimus Prime thousands of years before Optimus Prime became a famous warrior for the war for Cybertron? >>35359 No anon. The Bumblebee movie is a reboot. This is a sequel to that. Full reboot. The autobots have only been on earth for 7 years.
>>35361 >Why would Primal be named after Optimus Prime thousands of years before Optimus Prime became a famous warrior for the war for Cybertron? Because they're robotic humanoid aliens whose life spans dwarf the average human? In the old timeline you had Megatron frozen in ice for hundreds of earth years and when he's finally freed Starscream and Optimus treats it like an average Tuesday. Not to mention the bullshit with The Fallen and Grimlock. Fuck even in the original cartoon both Optimus and Megatron were burried in the earth since the Dinosaur era. The Cybertonian Civil War is never ending.
>>35364 Anon you're still missing the point. Optimus Prime is only legendary for his fight on Cybertron. For winning the war. Primal would not be named after him in the middle of the war. That wouldn't make sense.
>>35365 If he actually won then Primal would've just said "your efforts succeeded" but he doesn't. Optimus is known as a legendary warrior in this continuity, but it doesn't confirm he's won anything yet. Its shit writing but doesn't confirm time travel, if anything it just confirms cybertronian third parties exist and they still somewhat pay attention to the Civil War. The Maximals are essentially space hippies that pissed off a chaos god by denying his meal.
>>35368 You'd think that but they don't even mention the Decepticons once during the whole movie. There's also a further line where Airazor says earlier the Maximals are warriors "from your future & past". So time travel seems pretty confirmed. It's just shit writing.
>>35365 Not sure about these movies because I only saw the first three when they were new, and they sucked, but in G1 related continuities, Optimus was already leader of the Autobots for millions of years before ever coming to Earth. Optimus would already be a hero to Autobots everywhere, what with being their leader for millions of years. But yes, not having them simply be from the future is stupid. Not just doing a Beast Wars movie that actually attempts to adapt the Beast Wars story is already stupid. No need to mix it with the G1 characters. Nerds like Optimus Primal, and casuals won't realize or care that he isn't the same guy as Optimus Prime, unless you make a point of it in the story, in which case it's cool.
>>35370 >don't even mention the Decepticons once I did find that extremely odd but again I put it towards shit writing. >Airazor says earlier the Maximals are warriors "from your future & past". That's probably the closest but then again it could just be hippie speak and shit writing. Plus at any moment they can retcon anything to fit any Hasbro course correction. Next movie is a crossover with GI Joe and it would be an absolute clusterfuck with they throw time travel into the mix. Worst case scenario they pull a multi-verse and the Maximals are from a different timeline. Which would work considering Unicron needs a device capable of manipulating space-time to travel around.
>>35373 It's not clear in this continuity how long they've been fighting. Were the story actually written to focus on them teaming up & explaining the time travel mechanics, it could've been fun. Instead most of the movie is spent on boring humans who can't act only there to tick off boxes. >>35374 Great. More multiverses. Watch the Barbie movie somehow fit in too.
>>35375 Barbie should be the same universe as He-Man and other Mattel properties. Of course, He-Man is on a different planet, but when he does come to Earth, he should meet Barbie, and not just stupid nobodies like he has in previous stories where he goes to Earth.
>>35376 I thought the barbie movie was in a multiverse with oppenheimer.
>>35361 >The Bumblebee movie is a reboot. This is a sequel to that. Full reboot. The autobots have only been on earth for 7 years. But, doesn't EVERY Transformer story property take place in the SAME reality (Yes, that means there's 20+ guys running around all at the same time named Optimus, Megatron, etc.), at least until Energon/Cybertron with the death of Unicron creating a black hole that caused some realities to fracture (Because Unicron is an inter-dimensional being who's very existence is required for the universe to NOT fall apart)?
>>35389 >But, doesn't EVERY Transformer story property take place in the SAME reality No? Where on earth did you get a crazy idea like that?
>>35390 I remember reading it in one of the threads on here.
>>35392 I wouldn't put any credence to that idea.
>>35389 >>35392 What you're thinking of is that for a long time, every version of Transformers released in Japan was said to be the same continuity, even when it seemingly didn't make sense. So they said even the live action movies took place in the same universe as the G1 cartoon, for example. They tried to say the various anime from the 2000s were all somehow the same reality, even though they clearly weren't. In the west, this was sort of similar. The English dub and Japanese dub of the cartoons are technically different continuities, especially since Japan had an OVA that America didn't get (and the OVA sort of replaces stuff that Japan didn't get), but they aren't all that different. The end of the American cartoon also doesn't match up with Japanese canon, as it didn't air there, and they instead made many new anime that continue from a slightly different ending, but if you squint, it's fine, it's easy enough to overlook and follow. Now, in America, there was always both the cartoon and the comics. They were different continuities, but they had some shared elements, and then Beast Wars (and Beast Machines, basically just seasons 4 and 5 of Beast Wars) just acted as if they were both canon, referencing elements from both continuities. The comic and cartoon continuities are very different, but the cartoon has so little continuity that it's easy to ignore, and when Beast Wars references elements from the cartoon, you can almost just assume those things slotted in somewhere in the timeline of the comics. I mean, it doesn't work perfectly, but it's easy to squint and overlook it. It gets more complicated when you bring in the UK comics. The UK comics reprinted the American comics, but then made new stories to go between American stories. Due to a couple things in the reprints that were changed here and there to make the new stories slot in better between old stories, this is again considered a different continuity technically, but really it's so close that there are only a few sticking points, and if you squint, it's fine. The writer of the UK comics got hired to write the American comics later, and he is basically the main Transformers writer to this day. The UK comics also do a lot of future stories and alternate timeline stuff that ties into the movie, which otherwise isn't really referenced in the American comics. So if you count the UK comics, and how they tie in the movie elements (which is where most of the important cartoon continuity really is), then Beast Wars making reference to both makes more sense. So if you squint a bit, then it's very easy to overlook that the American cartoon, American comics, UK comics, and Japanese material, are different continuities. In that case, it's easy to just act as if everything up to 2001 is all one continuity. 2001 is when they released Transformers: Car Robots, which in Japan actually does work as a sequel to G1, but was a reboot in the dub. Everything up to Car Robots kind of works as one continuity if you squint. There were also convention exclusive stories. Comics and prose stories that you could only get if you went to the official Transformers conventions (but now you can just read them online). They do things that more directly tie together G1 and Beast Wars, and also reference the Japanese stuff as if it's canon. You need to read a convention exclusive prose story if you want to learn the real death of Optimus Prime and Megatron. It's stupipd they did it this way, but it's actually a pretty good story. The most important story that most closely links G1 and Beast Wars is technically non-canon because it was given away at a non-official convention, but it was still written by Simon Furman, the UK comic writer who became the main writer, so basically it's "non-official" but yeah it's canon. Official convention stories also do stuff after Beast Machines, which will be important later. After Car Robots, they did Transformers: Armada. In English, this is another clear reboot, just like Robots in Disguise (Car Robots' dub) was. As far as I can tell, it's also a clear reboot in Japan, but some official guide pages published in manga volumes or whatever said that somehow it was the same continuity as before. Until this point, everything released in Japan did work as one continuity, but this is the one that fucks it up. Now what makes it weirder is that the next two anime series were sequels to Armada, and they're called "The Unicron Trilogy," but in Japan, the third one, Transformers: Cybertron, was not part of this continuity, and was instead a reboot, but later materials would try to tie it back in to the two anime before it. Meanwhile, in the convention exclusive stories, the Beast Machines and G1 characters were pulled into a multiversal battle against Unicron. It's revealed that Unicron is a singularity, there is only one Unicron across the multiverse. I guess he inhabits many different bodies, since we see him get destroyed in multiple universes. Also, in the G1 cartoon he has a totally different origin than every other continuity, but fuck it, I'm sure there was some weird explanation in some obscure story somewhere to explain how that scientist didn't really invent Unicron, but was just subconsciously influenced by Unicron's spirit to build a body for him, or whatever. So Unicron also pulls in characters from the Unicron Trilogy, and the story of this multiversal battle against Unicron switches from the point of view of the Beast Machines characters to the point of view of the Unicron Trilogy characters. So now this is technically one "continuity," but it's two different universes that are largely unrelated except for this one obscure story. But Unicron being a singularity means that every other universe that mentions Unicron actually has the same Unicron, so they're all related. But it's not usually that important if Unicron is actually one mind, so whatever. The movies were part of a multiverse, but you didn't need to worry about that. There was some magazine page in Japan that said the movies were somehow the same continuity as G1 and everything else, but that made no sense to anybody, and was basically just a funny piece of trivia. I'm sure Japanese nerds just ignored it. Oh yeah, I should mention that all this time, there were more comics, but after Marvel stopped publishing Transformers in the early '90s, later comics were all different continuities. Eventually IDW Comics got the rights and made their own Transformers continuity that lasted quite a long time. As far as I know, that continuity didn't cross over with anything else in a major way, but due to Unicron being a singularity, they were the same multiverse and some elements established in the IDW comics, relating to Unicron, Primus, and the multiverse, would be considered canon to everything else. Meanwhile, Hasbro tried to make an "Aligned Continuity," a new continuity that would just try to use the best elements from all the continuities and create one new one that they could use going forward. So the games Transformers: War for Cybertron and its sequels were the same continuity as the tv show, Transformers: Prime and its sequels. But War for Cybertron and its sequels were so successful that they eventually did a game that crossed over the War for Cybertron continuity, and thus this Aligned continuity that had been going for years. Crossing over these continuities fucked up everything so hard and made so little sense that they shortly afterwards just did a story (in comics, I think) that made it so Unicron was no longer a singularity, and everything was just separate now. I guess continuities that did cross over more explicitly, like G1-Beast Machines/Unicron Trilogy, might still have the same Unicron. I don't know. It doesn't matter because it's not like they ever revisited those continuities later.
Oh yeah, it gets more confusing because there are also other continuities of comics and things that call themselves "Generation One" but are explicitly not the same continuity as anything from the '80s, they just call themselves that because they don't go out of their way to make themselves look different. Also, there are other branches of continuity. Like in the '90s, a couple of years after the original comics ended, Marvel did Transformers: Generation Two, with the same creators, and it's a direct sequel, and Beast Wars was created as a follow-up to G2, since that was the last thing that was released. But then in the 2010s, the same creator, now working at IDW Comics, did "Regeneration One," a different series that also continued after the end of the original Marvel series, but didn't count G2, even though he wrote G2. There are many continuities I didn't specifically mention, but you don't need to worry about them too much. There are also things called "Micro-Continuities," which are things like coloring books or whatever. Tiny things that have stories but don't seem to fit into any particular continuity. And oh yeah, they also have things called "Universal Clusters," which are universes that are technically different but are closely related, like all the stuff from the '80s and '90s, which are technically different continuities, but if you squint, they're pretty close. Micro-continuities can be included in Universal Clusters, but of course micro-continuities don't matter. >TL;DR: From the beginning until 2000, American (Marvel) comics, American (original) cartoon, UK comics, and Japanese everything (dubs, animes, and manga all fit together) are technically different continuities, but fit together well enough that Beast Wars acted like it was a sequel to everything, so you can kind of consider it one continuity. >The anime from 2002-2005 are a second continuity, but later Japanese official guide material said this and somehow even other things like the movies were all actually the same continuity as the original G1 continuity, even though it made no sense. Obscure stories sold only at American conventions established that this universe was part of the same multiverse as the original 1984-2000 universe, and said any time you see Unicron in anything, it's actually the same guy going to different universes. >there were more standalone universes of single video games and cartoon series and such, but you don't need to worry about them. >after they tried to cross over a successful series of video games with the movies, they realized they fucked up and made it so Unicron wasn't always one guy anymore, so now you don't need to worry about that. >there's still a multiverse, but for the most part it never crosses over anymore, so you don't need to worry about it. Even when it did cross over, the only real times it mattered were an obscure convention-only story that you couldn't even read until it was on the internet years later, and one video game that fucked up the whole multiverse Oh yeah, the original GI Joe: A Real American Hero comics from Marvel, from the '80s, are also canon to Transformers. They crossed over a lot with the original '80s/'90s continuity. And yes, those comics, both GI Joe and Transformers, are firmly in the Marvel universe. The original Marvel GI Joe continuity continued even under other publishers, as original creator Larry Hama just kept writing new issues with the same continuity even under IDW Comics as late as 2018. Characters age in real time and everything, which is pretty neat. But IDW also got a bunch of SJWs to do GI Joe stuff, and when GI Joe writer Aubrey Sitterson tweeted on 9/11 that people who weren't in Lower Manhattan when it happened shouldn't publicly mourn, it alienated the devoutly patriotic GI Joe audience (who was already very alienated by other SJW scandals), so Hasbro demanded he be fired. Instead the president of IDW forced a secretary to allow Sitterson to use her name as a pan name, and when Hasbro found out, shit hit the fan. IDW lost the Habso license, and the president (co-founder) of the company got fired, since IDW basically lived off the Hasbro license. I'm not up to date on what's up with Transformers or GI Joe comics since they lost that license. I only like the original Transformers continuity anyway, and GI Joe is cool, but even if Larry Hama still writes a lot of it, the other SJWs they got to do spinoff series ruined it for me. But yeah, technically the original Transformers continuity continued until at least 2018, but in the pages of GI Joe: A Real American Hero. >pic related: It's the first issue of the convention exclusive story that crossed over Beast Machines with the Unicron Trilogy and thus really established the Transformers multiverse. It continues from other convention exclusive story arcs, and wouldn't be finished until years later, with its conclusion published by a different company, but that conclusion was just one part of a different story, and other story continued after, too. I never kept reading though because the G1/Beast Machines characters/continuity stopped being important.
>>35400 >>35401 That's a whole lotta words to just say: <"No it's not all connected. A variation of Beast Wars can always happen. Unicron's obscure lore & japanese guidebook lore aren't canon either."
>>35435 The way I said it is more fun. And no, not every future leads to Beast Wars. It's more like all the original continuities merge together to form Beast Wars, and Car Robots is also part of that continuity. After that it reboots, but there is an obscure crossover with the first reboot (the Unicron trilogy), then things after that are all unconnected in all but the very most obscure ways. Except for one time the Aligned Continuity (War for Cybertron games + Prime TV show + other assorted things from that era) did a game that crossed over with the movies. The other TV and comic series are pretty much each standalone (well, except that comic series from the same publisher are part of that publisher's universe).
>>35444 I said a variation can happen. Not that it always happens. Prime on paper is supposed to be tied to the Cybertron games but that didn't work out in the actual show. Just don't overthink it all.
>>35445 >a variation Who gives a shit? You can always invent some radically different version that fits after any other show or comic and call it Beast Wars, but its not the show. There are tons of versions where Beast Wars characters pop up even though it makes no sense and has nothing to do with Beast Wars, like the latest movie. I'm not talking about some version of Blackarachnia showing up, I'm saying that Beast Wars takes place in a future that is basically elements from both the American comics and American cartoons combined, because even though they're technically different continuities... meh, close enough. The UK comics and Japanese material fits in there in pretty much the same way, too. But after Car Robots, it really is a full reboot, except that reboot crosses over with the older material once. Then it rebooted many more times, and though Hasbro said it was all linked in a few obscure stories, they gave up eventually, after crossing over the then current vidya/cartoon continuity with the movie continuity fucked it all up. Look, what else is this board for if not for getting autistic over fictional continuities?
>>35457 You have genuine autism. That's the problem.
>>35458 We're on 8chan's comics and cartoons board and you think calling someone here autistic is an insult. That's the problem.
>>30480 Apparently Japanese translators decided to not give a fuck about Earthspark's they/them nonsense and just made Nightshade referred to as male (specifically using "boku" which technically can be used by masculine women or tomboys, but is usually for men) which has upset the usual woke crowd. Old, but seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg0D1PpgCXs I find it especially funny due to the past year "professional" western localizers/translators getting fired and rejected over increased negative awareness of them injecting western politics into anime and manga. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6b7ZT_HsM https://comicbook.com/anime/news/transformers-nightshade-gender-japanese-pronoun/


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