>>1023973 >What's the matter with you? Do you want to live in a world of FEEFAH tier slop? The law is not going to be the one to solve a market problem. These practices are going to continue until people stop buying these games. And arguably even then, companies will still try to shove them down people's throats, which will result in people dropping gaming entirely because they don't want to deal with any of this shit.

>>1023973 I mean Ross did say in his video that there'd be peaks and valleys, and it's gotten over a third of the necessary signatures in less than 3 months. This is the kind of thing I think where it gets this big pop when it starts, and then some more significant contributions every few months after that. The hope is that more and more European ecelebs, or just ecelebs in general, pick up on it and use their faggy influence to actually get people that are able to take 5 minutes out of their day to fuck with the kikes who run vidya publishing corporations. I don't see this continually picking up steam otherwise so hopefully there's some French or Spanish or German Asmongold to pump this shit up a bit more over time. >>1025684 I do agree to an extent, however, outside of the potential preservation of vidya that whatever legislation comes of this could elicit, if this thing succeeds I really think it'll strike a blow to the industry that has fucked us over for so long. There will always be normalniggers that'll buy anything with a big name and publishers that'll take advantage of that but at the absolute least this will throw a pretty big wrench into things >And arguably even then, companies will still try to shove them down people's throats, which will result in people dropping gaming entirely This would be a good thing, honestly. If we're brought back to square one we have the future's equivalent of the 90's/early 2000's to look forward to.

>>1025716 Laws follow culture, and culture, demography. To get back to square one you need to bring back the people from square one. You won't find them in 2024 California where Sony Interactive Entertainment planted their headquarters.

>>1026204 Culture also follows laws though.

>>1026206 Culture and law both follow reality.

>>1026204 >>1026206 >>1026222 History has shown that laws and government can be completely disconnected from culture and norms. Such incidents that I know of are the Old Swiss Confederacy (Telling the nobles to fuck off), the American Revolution (Telling the British to fuck off), the Meiji Restoration (Dragging the country kicking and screaming into the 19th century), Prohibition (That time every American citizen became an outlaw), the Cristero Rebellion (That time every Mexican citizen became an outlaw), and every Socialist revolution (Destroying to the old culture for something that's more "genuine" despite having nothing to do with the country's history in ideals).

>>1026222 Not necessarily. People make laws and create culture (and some have a disproportionate influence on both), and those people don't necessarily make those to conform to reality.

>>1026224 >History has shown that laws and government can be completely disconnected from culture and norms. Yep. Culture and norms are not reality. >>1026225 Nope. A cabal of rulers create laws, not "the people" whoever the hell they might be. They make those laws according to their own interests.

>>1026228 If the cabal of rulers piss off enough people those people revolt.

So what's the chances this succeeds?

>>1026612 It doesn't really even make sense. If it doesn't apply to live service games then AAA studios will just make their games explicitly live service with zero implication of offline singleplayer activity, which they essentially already do. And there's no logic for this applying to just games either. So if you somehow managed to mandate live service games release server binaries when they product goes offline then you would also need to require that for every piece of commercial software because there's fundamentally no difference. So you either get a neutered implementation that doesn't really accomplish anything, or you get a herculean implementation that will likely result in a significant amount of malicious compliance.

>>1026630 >So if you somehow managed to mandate live service games release server binaries when they product goes offline then you would also need to require that for every piece of commercial software because there's fundamentally no difference That alone sounds like a huge win against 'smart' products or products that need an app. A clossial nightmare for said companies, but fuck them corpos.

The EU petition is stuck, I guess it was a long shot.

>>1026675 Good, fuck smart products and products that need an app. I pay to avoid that shit. I don't want my fucking oven informing Samsung what I eat.

Update from UK >>973929. There will be no revised response from the government. Not surprised given the utter state of it at the moment but things seem to be a dead end here.

>>1040251 To be fair, doesn't Bongland have more pressing matters? Like the mass riots happening across the island due to the government trying to force illegals upon the population.

>>1040284 Protests, marches, riots and farmers are planning to spray shit all over government buildings on Tuesday. All while people are getting arrested for online posts. Shits fucked over here, but I don't think they would ever do anything anyway in regards to the petition.

>>1040284 What riots? There aren't any. You go to jail for taking a video of nonwhites. You go to jail for saying bad words about the dune coons who murdered your sister. Come on, man.

I KEEL YOO!

Some more news from the Stop Killing Games Movement: >UK petition again The first one, didn't get a satisfactory answer, then there were elections and riots, so the petition, and I assume most, got cancelled. Hopefully this time, it will actually work https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074 I might go to /brit/ and ask them for some support. >EU petition We managed to get the minimum of 7 countries over the threshold, and we are currently at 400k signatures out of 1 million. We still have 5-6 months left, hopefully there will be some major controversy, like Destiny 1 shutting down to make people panic -ign the petition.

>>1063670 >Hopefully this time, it will actually work Bad news. https://archive.fo/fQrd8 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074 https://archive.fo/2I2W6 <Government responded <The Government recognises concerns raised by video games users regarding the operability of purchased products. As the lead department for video games, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) regularly engages industry representatives and monitors how consumers interact with games. We work with the Department for Business and Trade (DBT) as the lead department for consumer protection more generally. <We are aware of issues relating to the life-span of digital content, including video games, and we appreciate the concerns of players of some games that have been discontinued. We have no plans to amend existing consumer law on digital obsolescence, but we will monitor this issue and consider the relevant work of the Competition and Market Authority (CMA) on consumer rights and consumer detriment. <Video games sellers must comply with existing consumer law – this includes the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA) and Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPRs). We have provided details of relevant protections below. However, there is no requirement in UK law for software companies to support older versions of their products. Decision-making is for those companies, taking account of commercial and regulatory factors and complying with existing consumer law. There may be occasions where companies make decisions based on the high running costs of maintaining older servers for games with declining user bases. <The CRA gives consumers important rights when they make a contract with a trader for the supply of digital content, requiring it to be of satisfactory quality, fit for a particular purpose and as described by the seller. It may be difficult and expensive for businesses to maintain support for old software, particularly if it needs to interact with new technologies. However, if software is offered for sale that is not supported by the provider, then this should be made clear, for example on product webpages and physical packaging. <If digital content does not meet these quality rights, the consumer is entitled to a repair or replacement or, if not possible, some money back up to 100% of the cost of the digital content. These rights apply to intangible digital content like a PC game, as well as tangible content like a physical copy of a game. The CRA has a limit of up to six years after a breach of contract during which a consumer can take legal action. <A trader or third party can upgrade and improve the features of digital content so long as it continues to match any description given by the trader and conforms with any pre-contract information provided by the trader, unless varied by express agreement. <In addition, the CRA requires that the terms and conditions applied by a trader to a product they sell must not be unfair and must be prominent and transparent. If not, they may also be challenged and the question of fairness is a matter for the courts. Terms found to be unfair are not binding on the consumer. <The CPRs require information to consumers to be clear and correct and prohibit commercial practices which through false information or misleading omissions cause the average consumer to make a different choice. As such, the regulations prohibit commercial practices which omit or hide information which the average consumer needs to make an informed choice, and prohibits traders from providing material information in an unclear, unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely manner. If consumers are led to believe that a game will remain playable indefinitely for certain systems, despite the end of physical support, the CPRs may require that the game remains technically feasible (for example, available offline) to play under those circumstances. <The CPRs are enforced by Trading Standards and the CMA. If consumers believe that there has been a breach of these regulations, they should report it to the Citizens Advice helpline (or Advice Direct Scotland for those living in Scotland) which is a free service advising on rights and how to take their case forward. The helplines will refer complaints to Trading Standards and CMA where appropriate. Consumers can also pursue private redress through the courts where a trader has provided misleading information on a product. <The CPRs section of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers (DMCC) Act 2024 is expected to come into effect in April 2025. It restates and updates the CPRs into primary legislation, revokes the 2008 regulations and sets out rules around unfair trading. The Act: <Provides the Secretary of State with the power to add, amend, or remove a description of a commercial practice which are in all circumstances considered unfair <Provides clarification that someone facilitating supply or promotion of a product is a ‘trader’ and must comply with consumer law <The use of this power will be kept under review – any amendments proposed are subject to a duty to consult with stakeholders and approval by both Houses of Parliament. <Department for Culture, Media and Sport They basically said no because they looked at it and it didn't legalize baby rape.

>>1069131 >customer purchases a product >manufacturer breaks the product & keeps the money >government refuses to prohibit this practice through (even already existing) consumer protections So the only remaining option is Ren Hoek?

A petition needs signing huh

>>959193 Don't forget more and more normalfags are getting addicted to weed which absolutely destroys a persons internal drive. That and the tightening social noose of everything being recorded all the time means they'll only get worse.

>>1097916 No, signatures stopped flowing in after the first month.

Bump, I don't want this thread to get shuffled off the board. It's too important.

This lawsuit is extremely important for the future of videogames. If Ubisoft wins it's going to die either but if they lose this is a huge loss for AAA "buying isn't owning". Cucks.

Don't play online-focused games if you dislike the idea of the game being unplayable in the future when the servers are taken down.

>>1175380 I know you give advice so people won't get burned but it just comes off as ceding ground unnecessarily.

Already a thread >>954406 (OP) sage

I hope it succeeds, but it being Eruo only isn't the best

this world is hell

>>954406 (OP) While I'm sympathetic to game preservation, I'd much rather EU bureaucrat boomers back the fuck off from regulating fucking software development. We all know how it turns out when they start doing that. The thing is, DRM in games is a much smaller problem in 2025 than it once was. Basically, only online games are affected by "DRM", which isn't even DRM in many cases just the server being closed. Piracy already solves almost all of game preservation, it always has. If they want legal improvements for game preservation, they could start by decriminalizing that in all EU countries instead of just some of them.

>>1175159 >>1180250 theres a huge category of existing lemon laws for exactly this sort of thing, if the wording needs clarification to punish bad actor studios/publishers then that should be done. fuck preservation and restitution and all that just put these rabid animals down and send a message.

This is just a grift for Ross to avoid making Game Dungeon and Freeman's Mind