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GFS - Gardening, Food acquisition and Stock keeping thread Strelok 07/30/2021 (Fri) 17:19:58 No. 10324
Greetings Streloks, as anounced in >>17677, this is the thread about gardening, acquiring food and keeping stocks for long(er) Term survival. the main topics for this thread are -growing food for long term survival. -harvesting wild food if gardening is not an option for whatever reason. -legal and illegal food acquisition in areas where gardening is hard or undoable or in the case of insufficient skills. -wild gardening/guerilla gardening as alternative ways of growing food without owning land. >What is the purpose of the info ITT? This thread is aimed at providing information to every Strelok, on how to provide his own food, wether it is only for himself, or for a large fighting force. This is not only important for Post-collapse scenarios, but also an important factor of gaining freedom by independence from the government and society. >what does this have to do with /k/? At the time of the thread creation, /k/ is the board for weapons, combat and outdoorsmanship. A part of every armed conflict is the provisioning of food for the combatants to upkeep morale and fighting ability. Knowing how to grow and how to acquire food in any conditions is an important part of sustaining a fighting force, as the past has shown that a hungry soldier cannot win a conflict, and looting, even if an option, is only a short term solution, that cannot fully replace a stable supply of fresh provisions. Therefore, i see this as a quite important, and unfortunately overlooked aspect of /k/. >What goes in regards to posting. I'm not playing janny, but i'd prefer to keep this thread focused on the 4 main topics at the beginning of the Post. Related questions and discussion are welcome, and as long as it stays roughly on topic, i see the threads purpose as fulfilled. >Is there an end goal? A possible end goal would be a summarised sheet of information, that could (after extensive QC) be added to the boo/k/ "a world turned upside down", and a separate, condensed copy collected in an lightweight pamphlet to help aspiring streloks and newfags in obtaining basic information about starting to gain independence. >How often will Information be gathered into summary sheets? no idea, depends on how much traction the thread gets. An estimate would be one sheet every 100 posts, but as i said, that depends on the amount of content, and on it's quality.
>>10414 >Never forget what they have done to us. Never forget. Could you remind us?
>>10415 They make suppressors for air guns that I don't think are considered NFA items, if you live in the US. There are also ways to make wire snare traps set up at the base of the tree which can catch squirrels. Downside is you run the risk of catching pets or the neighbors seeing the dead body in the trap.
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JIM STONE COMMENTS: When the war ball gets rolling it will happen in a very short time. Right now the US is placing nukes in Asia and Europe. This is not a guess, it is on Drudge. While doing this, Russia is getting pestered. My guess is that Posiedon is already placed. Why wait? It is re-callable so why not position it in advance? So many people are dying from the vax now that war would be a great way to take the heat off. And a great way to steal an election and a great way to achieve 2025 population goals - are they going to give us a Halloween trick?. I doubt they have any treats. They are anxious, and it could all be over in a flash . . . . . Pennsylvania election official openly admits the next election will be stolen... stolen with as many mail in ballots as it takes because they received "threats". Listen to the leftist meta talk, anyone can translate leftie speak this basic: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2I7JSriM4p4 [Embed] Time to start logging the FRAUD: https://archive.ph/SQSs3 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/after-sending-out-240000-unverified-ballots-pennsylvania-now-warns-delays-counting https://archive.ph/ov8pg https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/10/26/lawmakers-want-to-know-why-pennsylvania-sent-out-240000-unverified-ballots/ MY COMMENT: We pretty much know where they are taking us, and by the way I do believe this is the same with the sudden mainstream announcement of them openly and brazenly creating bio-weapons in top universities too: THIS IS ALL A BUNCH OF OPEN DEATH THREATS TO AMERICA. "Do as we say or you all die" say the despotic demons who pose as Jews. Why else would this be happening? Regardless what happens, know this as fact and prepare accordingly, never die their pawns. I have a feeling if their house of cards falls, they'll take the world down with them. Can we really prevent it? God only knows but don't count on it.
>>10417 Chemtrails!!! GMO franken-foods with toxic glyphosate!!! Covid mRNA clot shot depop!!! Fluoride in all the tap water!!! Endless wars!!!! 9/11 false flag operation!!!! Mass warrantless spying!! 5G kill grid!!! Agenda 21 / Great Reset destabilization!!!! Open border destabilization and population replacement!!! Destruction of our currency via debt insolvency!!!! "Patriot Act" NDAA police state!!!
>>10421 Add in the promotion of mutilation of children's genitalia!! Mass propagandist lies 24/7 broadcasted on mainstream "corporate" media!!! Censorship!!! Witch hunts against political opposition!!! The murders of hundreds of holistic doctors!!!! Corruption of the Big Pharma & healthcare system!! Covid lockdowns that gutted the REAL economy, etc!!! Endless corruption mass murdering despots!!!
>>10419 Did he died?
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>>10415 Kill the Karens and the entire HOA, they're a bigger threat than squirrels anyway.
Osage orange bushes are growing alright. Had our first frost yesterday night so I left them in the snow (and sun) this morning to "deactivate" growth then brought them indoors and put them in a cool but sunny spot. They're all roughly 1-2 feet tall after a year of growing. Unfortunately these are a plant that seem to need a lot of vertical space so my foot-deep pots just aren't big enough and I had to use bamboo skewers + compostable twine to hold them upright. Got them on a regiment of plant feed stakes until next Spring when I can hopefully either get bigger pots for them or else find an outdoor spot to plant them in the ground. Of the 100 seeds I planted roughly 60 of them spawned, but I didn't have the space for 60 tree-sized bushes and had to cull their numbers down to about 25 plants. Of those 25 about 13 more had to be culled due to a heat wave killing them/stunting growth, and then 8 of the remaining 12 caught diseases after the squirrels dug up the root systems and died of disease or structural collapse. I wonder if any of the four remaining plants will actually manage to survive long enough to bare fruit so I can grow them in the far future? Meanwhile all my fucking bamboo never spawned. I know I could propagate from a "sapling" but I refuse to pay $200 for a sapling when seed is only $10. Edible plants did fine more or less and I enjoyed good (albeit small due to the two month heat wave) produce. I think I'll keep it simple and grow radishes next year since I had decent luck getting a couple small ones after planting a month late.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about what the Bible means when it speaks of clean and unclean foods.Clean and unclean food Put very simply, these are the Bible's dietary laws that if followed can lead to a long and healthy life. The question is: Can we trust the ancient words of the Bible? And what about modern science. Does it support or discredit God's dietary laws? I have found that there are many Christians today who are unaware that the Bible states that our bodies are not our own and that they were bought with a price which was the death of Christ. Scripture also informs us that it is our responsibility to look after these bodies that are on loan to us. But sadly, these are facts that many would rather not acknowledge. Most would rather the well known sea food diet, that is, everything and anything we see that appeals to our eyes and nose. Unfortunately, these are foods that are often very damaging to our bodies and result in us dying from cancer and heart attacks because of our love for food! Most people live to eat rather than eat to live as God intended. Note the following relevant scriptures. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 “What? Know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? 20 For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.” And 1 Corinthians 10:31 “Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.” Do we defile our bodies if we knowingly eat foods laced with chemicals that can make the body sick and die? Sadly, most of us do and without any fear of the following warning. 1 Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.” It is easy to mock God's Word and say it has no relevance to our physical lives today. But it is amazing though, how very interested someone can become in what God has to say when lying on a deathbed because of a decadent lifestyle. Sadly, it is usually too late to effect changes in their lifestyle by that time. It is better to stay in denial, right? When we find ourselves lying in a hospital bed and dying, then we say, “I don't want to die! I better change to a healthy diet so I might live. Please someone, tell me what should I do and eat so that I can beat this illness and live?”Good Bible food God already told us what to eat when he gave us His dietary laws with clean foods and unclean foods, but most do not care to listen and mock God's instructions until they suddenly find themselves on their deathbed wondering how they got that way! If only we had listened in the first place. Here are some interesting points which show us what God's health plan for us is:
1. When God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He said to them: Genesis 1:29-30 “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be food for you. And to the BEASTS of the earth and all the BIRDS of the air and ALL THE CREATURES that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give EVERY GREEN PLANT for food. And it was so.” Seed-bearing plants include nuts, grains, legumes, and seeds. Our digestive tract is 12-14 times our shoulder to hip trunk length, the same as fruit eating animals. Herbivores (for example, cattle) have a digestive tract length of 20 times their body length. The shortest intestinal tracts are found in meat eating animals. When mankind left the Garden of Eden, vegetables were added to their diet. Genesis 3:18 tells us that the “plants of the field” were now to be considered as food. Interestingly, fruit can be eaten with nuts, grains and seeds without any ill effects, but if eaten with vegetables can lead to digestive problems. There is fermentation in the gut when fruit and vegetables are eaten together and this can lead to health problems. 2. The distinction between clean and unclean animals was known about in Noah’s day, long before God gave the health laws to the Jewish people: Genesis 7:2-3 “Of every CLEAN beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are NOT CLEAN by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female.” 3. After the great Flood of Noah’s day, meat was permitted in the diet, however the blood was not to be eaten: Genesis 9:3-5 “Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.” It is clear however that there was a distinction between clean and unclean animals. Unclean animals were not even considered as fit to eat. It is understood that only clean meats were to be used as food, as there were more of them in the ark. (Genesis 8:20 “Noah took of every clean beast and every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings.” If unclean meats were to be eaten and sacrificed, there would not be a pair of them left to propagate, to enable the command in verse 17: “Bring forth with thee every living thing that they may breed abundantly in the earth.”) 4. God clarified the differences between clean and unclean creatures, in Leviticus chapter 11: “Whatever divides a hoof, thus making SPLIT HOOVES AND CHEWS THE CUD, among the animals, that you may eat. …These you may eat, whatever is in the water: all that have FINS AND SCALES, those in the water, in the seas and in the rivers, you may eat…. These moreover, you shall detest among the birds; they are not to be eaten: the eagle, vulture, buzzard, kite, falcon, raven, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, vulture, stork, heron, hoopoe and the bat. …These you may eat among all the winged insects: those which have above their feet JOINTED LEGS with which to jump on the earth...” Professor Walter Veith is a doctor of Zoology with a research field in nutritional physiology. He reveals some very interesting things about unclean animals. The physiology of some birds, animals and fish is such that their flesh is not fit for consumption. This includes carnivorous birds without a crop, animals which don't chew cud or have a cloven (split) hoof, and fish without fins or scales. All animals which eat other animals are unclean. Camels have a high level of toxins in their bloodstream, caused by retaining their body fluids rather than sweating. Coneys have a poor thermo-regulator and their enzymes are unstable, resulting in intestinal fermentation. The meat is very acidic, predisposing to disease. Rabbits are coprophagous, meaning that they eat their own faeces, and the levels of toxins in their bodies are much higher than acceptable for human consumption. All rodents and the horse are the same. Pigs have very high histamine levels and sulphur content, leading to high blood acidity and osteoporosis in those who eat them. Pigs also have a high level of bacterial contamination of salmonella, other harmful bacteria and parasites. These are just a couple of brief points. Fish without fins and scales are either scavengers or carnivores and have a high level of toxins in their bodies. Urea in sharks and other fish gives these creatures a distinctive flavor but the flesh is not healthful in the diet. God has known these things from the beginning of time. Although we may not know all the reasons behind His commands, He knows what’s best for us. After all, He made us and He knows what we should put into our bodies. We are very particular as to what kind of fuel we put into our cars. Why aren't we more careful about what we put into our mouths? 5. Colossians 2:16 is often quoted but is often wrongly translated and very misunderstood. Modern Bibles mistranslated this passage as they did not understand Meat and Drink offerings were part of the ordinances, and so translated them as “food and drink.” There are no unclean drinks in the Bible, only unclean foods! These also had no relationship to the ordinances that were nailed to the cross, but the Meat and Drink offerings did. Thus the ordinances of Colossians 2:16 did have and must have all of the following, “Meat and Drink Offerings”, “Holy Feast days”, “New Moon festivals” and “ceremonial Sabbath days” such as Passover and others. Compare Ezekiel 45:17 and Colossians 2:16. It is easy to recognize WHICH law Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to. It is not the Ten Commandment Law (law of liberty, written with the finger of God on stone), which had nothing to do with meat and drink offerings, new moons, holy feast days and the ceremonial sacrificial Sabbaths. This passage also has nothing to do with health laws. It is obviously referring to the Mosaic Law, which was handwritten by Moses and could be “blotted out.” This was the only law with ordinances which pointed forward to the sacrifice of Jesus. These ordinances were no longer necessary when the real Passover Lamb was slain. Dietary laws are laws for health, not “ceremonial” or “ritualistic” laws, although they are mentioned in Leviticus. They are not therefore included when the Lord “nailed the handwriting of ordinances which was against us” to His cross. See Colossians 2:16 for more detail. 6. Regarding Mark 7:1-23 Mark’s statement that Jesus declared all foods “clean,” does not mean that He abolished the distinction between clean and unclean meats. (Unclean meats were not even regarded as “food”!) And the discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees and scribes had nothing to do with the KIND of food but with the MANNER in which the disciples ate. The Pharisees had man-made rules about washing of hands (beyond hygienic levels). The issue was whether or not ritualistic washing of hands before meals was necessary. Jesus said that what defiles a person is not the food eaten with ritually unwashed hands, but the wicked things from the heart, because the food “does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated”. Thus Jesus declared that all foods eaten with ritually unwashed hands are spiritually “clean” (Mark 7:19). The Greek word for food (bromata) here used, is the general term for food, referring to all types of food for human consumption, not just flesh foods. 7. Peter's vision in Acts 10 of the animals did not teach that unclean animals had become fit for food. If Jesus had previously authorized unclean animals for food, what was Peter doing refusing them at this late stage? Obviously Jesus had never done this. And the vision could not have been simply an instruction about clean VS unclean meats, for Peter was “greatly perplexed about the meaning of the vision.” He knew there was a deeper meaning to the vision. Peter quickly came to understand that the vision taught that GENTILES were not unclean, and that he could associate with them without becoming contaminated:
[Expand Post]Acts 10:28 “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with, or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call ANY MAN common or unclean” And by continuing to read, we come to a place where Peter tells the whole story, leaving no doubt that this was the real meaning of the vision. (Note, in Acts 11:2-18 that Peter says nothing about unclean foods now being acceptable to eat - because that had nothing to do with the vision). So here in the very next chapter we see that the vision was to tell Peter that the Gospel was now for the Gentiles as well. This was a very significant point in time. That is why angels and visions were employed to direct the early church. Now the Gospel was to go to the Gentiles and this of course was a very important direction.
8. In his letters to the Romans and Corinthians Paul addressed the implications for Christians of the widespread practice in the Gentile world of offering flesh foods to idols. The issue among the early Christians was not about eating meat as such, (there was never an issue about vegetarianism in the early Christian church), but about whether the eating of meat offered to idols was an act of worship. See 1 Corinthians 8 and 1 Corinthians 10:20-28. Those strong in their faith did not believe that eating meat offered to idols was an act of worship, and thus they would eat all (edible) things which had been offered to idols. Those who did not have such strong faith used only vegetables, which were not offered to idols. Paul urged: Romans 14:2 “Accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One man has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.” Romans 14:20-21 “Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offence. It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.” This was not a campaign for or against vegetarianism, for vegetarianism was not an issue at this time in history. Unless Paul is contradicting other New Testament scripture than he has to be referring to all clean meats being “clean,” which would have been a foregone conclusion in those days and not required clarification. We also have no other Scriptural evidence to indicate that unclean animals had been authorized for food. The latter would NOT have even been considered as edible, whether offered to idols or not. 9. In discussion of end time events, God still calls swine and mice, among other things, “detestable”: Isaiah 66:17 “… who eat SWINE'S FLESH, DETESTABLE THINGS, and mice, shall COME TO AN END altogether, declares the Lord” 10. Some are always bound to quote verses 4 and 5 of the passage 1 Timothy 4:1-5, saying that you can eat anything if “sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” But note the context which is found in verse 3 of this passage: “meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving.” God did not create unclean animals to be eaten by man and God would never sanctify something He explicitly condemns as an abomination. So what then is being referred to in the above passage? The answer is found in verses 1-3. The passage refers to “latter times” of a Church that “departs from the faith” and “speaks lies in hypocrisy that has their conscience seared with a hot iron” and that also “forbids to marry, and commands to abstain from certain meats on certain days.” So which Church forbids to marry and says you cannot eat certain foods on certain days? Not a difficult question. Thus this passage is not contradictory to the rest of God's Word and the author is actually saying that every clean creature is perfectly adapted and suitable to its intended purpose. The passage is not saying that everything created can be eaten! Who wants to argue that skunks, rats, mice, lizards and scorpions are good for food? And remember anon to drink semen, it's a great source of protein!
>unprovoked /christian/ schizo ramblings in a completely unrelated thread Truly the most cancerous board.
I read somewhere years ago that iron reinforces a plant's woody portions so I'm giving my osage orange bushes some iron, potassium, and magnesium supplements. Will post results if it kills the plants. One of the plants got minor frostbite before I decided it was too cold and brought it in (all the leafs died but I think the root system is still strong) so we'll see if it bounces back in the next couple weeks. It was the only plant I didn't treat with insecticide when bringing indoors since I left it out for a couple frosts to see how much these plants could handle.
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First year ever trying to garden something and it's turned out almost half-decent given the circumstances >bought seeds in mid-March for peas, peppers, bunching onion, and tomatoes >didn't know the peas needed something to grab onto to grow, so they'd fall over limp and try to grab onto something before giving up and dying >accidentally planted way too much bunching onion in one pot, probably a hundred or so sprouts that stopped growing after a certain point since there was nowhere left for the roots to go, removed most of them and cut them into small bits and left a few in the pot, these grew almost instantly into their full size. flavor was great, nice oniony taste. >peppers also turned out pretty well, didn't know that one plant would produce so many so I had quite a few peppers that I didn't know what to do with. mixed a bunch of them into my lunch one day along with cayenne pepper and chili powder, wanted to die for the next hour or so it was so spicy. still have a handful growing right now despite the cold weather. >tomatoes turned out quite sad, planted two seeds in one pot and let them both grow together. they also ran into the same problem as the peas since they needed something to latch onto, despite what the old lady at the hardware store said. found a piece of green rubber fencing, stuck a large stick and metal stake through it, and they grew up it quite nicely. later bought an actual tomato cage since they began to ourgrow that as well. took a really long fucking time to produce anything (two tiny fruits, one of which was molded), currently has 5 tomatoes on it right now, and despite it being in the mid-50s and the plants looking like pic related I am still waiting on those tomatoes to ripen. all in all a good learning experience. will wait until next June to plant something against since I'm planning moving soon. what should I try next time?
>>10433 >peppers You can always dry hot chili peppers for later use. Or were they sweet peppers? >tomatoes >moldy Blossom end rot, maybe. Tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, etc. can always benefit from calcium supplements. >what should I try next time? I would suggest trying either cherry tomatoes or current tomatoes or if you want big fruits maybe try determinate tomatoes. Depending on where you are, temperature and growing season wise, I always like to suggest amaranth as a crop. Radishes, mustards, and other greens can make good spring and fall crops too. And nothing is quite as rewarding as growing pumpkins, just stay away from maxmias if it's your first time due to the vine bored problem.
How to kill spider mites? I brought my trees in for the season because it's too cold, but about a month ago they developed a spider mite infestation and it's almost killed two of them now. I tried removing the webbing manually which didn't work, then I tried spraying them with 99% isopropyl and that temporarily worked but didn't solve the problem. Then I tried spraying them with diluted 60% isopropyl and that also worked for a few days of spraying until they came back again. Right now I'm leaving them out in a blizzard for an hour to freeze the mites off the leafs without causing permanent damage and intend to spray them with neem oil for the next 7 days, but if pure rubbing alcohol didn't kill them I don't know if neem oil will do the job either.
>>10435 I can't remember anything about how to deal with spider mites other than you need to raise the humidity. Spider mites like heat and dry.
>>10435 Also obviously quarantine infested plants until you cleared the problem.
>>10436 I don't have the money for a humidifier right now so that's not really possible. I guess I could run the clothes dryer more frequently since it vents into the heat ducts. >>10437 Thankfully the only other plant around is my cat's cat grass and they don't seem to like it/it's dying anyways.
>>10438 Take a spray bottle, spray plant with water regularly. Raises local humidity. It gets a bit stuck among leaves and such. You could add a see-through plastic bag on top to REALLY keep the water in, just add in a bucket of water.
How many maize plants should I plant for 2-3 people to be fed on throughout the year? I intend to grow them with squash and beans as well. And what should I eat during the growing season? Or rather, what did people use to eat in say april/may when their crops had yet to fruit.
>>10440 You have either storage from last year, or different crops. Taunton Deane Eternal Kale is great for early spring food, at least vitamin wise. Need calories from elsewhere though.
>>10441 Understood. What about the corn allowance? How many ears does each stalk produce? How many should I plant?
>>10442 >>10440 An acre can produce about 200 bushels of corn on an industrial scale and your average person will eat about 10-20 bushels of corn per year if used as a primary staple.
On an amateur scale you should only expect 40-80 bushels per acre though. Corn typically produces one good ear per plant but you can get 2-3 per plant depending on circumstance.
>>10444 >>10443 Thanks mate
>>10444 It's also dependent on variety of corn.
>>10445 No problem. Consider learning about nixtamalization and how to process your own wood-ash for it if looking at corn as your primary staple. It'll increase the B3 content and make it more usable as a dough to expand your available food options, and I think it improves the nutrition of the protein chains/fat chains as well.
>>10440 If you don't mind me asking, what kind of maize are you growing. Variety and kernal type specifically.
>>49096 What is this?
bump
I'm growing grass. lol
Growing tomatoes and lettuce. It's ok. Preserve the excess to keep from spoiling...


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