>>397 German here, to me, in the examples given on wictionary the endings sound almost the same and of course they rhyme. But what immediately comes to attention is that all examples given for -aljən are of French origin and in my opinion the words still carry most of the original pronounciation. The example given for -ali̯ən is a germanized Latin word (Gallien is Gaul in English). The choice between -ali̯ən and -aljən seems to depend on word origin rather than actual pronounciation

>All these american posters Why learn german at all if you live in the Americas? It's not cheap to fly to Europe especially in you live in west coast where you have to pay for three or four plane transfers before making it to Europe. I am not spending $1000 for a plane ticket.

>>418 Is it possible this is a distinction some people make in foreign words and others don't? Like how some people distinguish separate nasal vowels in French loans phonemically while others don't?

>German learning thread 2 posts in German Sohn ich...

>>420 >a distinction some people make? Well, possible is everything but I doubt it would be many and even if I would suspect it's from lack of education. Nonetheless the examples given are common words and germanized since the times of Napoleon I'd guess. You hear them also often in the TV and since Germany has only small regional broadcasters but many national ones where you hear basically the same high german, the pronounciation is quite universal nationwide despite all dialects. I've never encountered anyone or seen on TV who pronounced these words differently from me. btw, I just noticed that all the French loan words in the examples are plural and I dont think that's a coincidence.

>>30 Nice mega link My favorite part is 0bytes 1 folder 0 files. Wtf?

>>500 Jumping through 30 hoops to find yet one more mystery. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU ASSHOLES. fuck OP, Fuck every anon here, fuck mega, fuck this thread. >lol ima teach ya germ >lol no it's le ebin trollz Delete this fucking board.

>>500 Mega must've wiped it. It has happened to me with other accounts that I hadn't used in a while, lost like almost all my family photos. Thankfully I have back ups.

>>502 Backups you say? Indeed. Well obviously that changes things.

>>507 I currently have all the books on an external drive, but I'd like to find some website that won't buttfuck me if I don't log in every x months. Know anywhere that I could use instead? I thought of anon files but it also risks deleting the files.

>>30 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/through#English Definition 3, e.g. "Through the cover of dust and smoke, we snuck by." what is the German word for it? I'm fairly certain "durch" by itself is not what I'm looking for. List of potentials: umgeben umschließen umringen umfassen umzingeln umstellen umgrenzen umlagern einkreisen umziehen fassen einschließen durchdringend durchgehend

>>508 >implying you will not have to continually update links TRY DROPBOX OR GOOGLE DRIVE; DON'T OPEN FILES IN CLOUDS I HEAR OR ELSE YOU WILL BE RAPED

>>421 We are muli-cultural around here swede boy we don't have to speak german to talk about the potential posibility of speaking a language that may or may not be german or adjacent to german

>>419 Because more than half of my ancestry is just different flavors of German, and I feel attached to the aesthetics and landscapes of the (roughly speaking) southern Germanophonic regions. I'm not much of a traveler, but those are among the first places I'd visit if given the chance. I honestly haven't learned much German since I was in high school, but I wouldn't feel comfortable going over there without being able to properly converse without making the locals speak my own language.

>>569 >South German Has its own dialects mostly unintelligible to other Germans, you'll be seen as a foreigner if you come in there speaking standard German.

>>570 I'm using "southern" more in a vague geographical sense and am including places like Rhineland-Palatinate. The regions with actual High German dialects do seem the most interesting to me though. I don't really care about being seen as an actual German (since I'm not one in terms of upbringing and only partially one genetically) but I just want to do it out of courtesy for the people around me, Speaking enough Standard German to get by seems better than not knowing the language at all.

>>571 Alright, still seems like a good idea to pick up a few regional words at least. Every part of Germany has its own little nuances in the language. ,And really if you came to a place like Switzerland or rural Bavaria speaking High German, you may as well be speaking English.

>>569 Sag' doch mal was auf deutsch.

>>30 Was geht denn hier ab? > Du kannst nicht Deutsch lernen Wenn wir sowieso nicht Deutsch lernen könne, warum hast du überhaupt diesen Faden pfostiert? "pfostieren" ist eigentlich kein richtiger Begriff, den Menschen wirklich im echten Leben benutzen. Ich benutze ihn bloß, weil ich ihn lustig finde. Darum geht es hier doch in erster Linie, oder?

>>419 >Alright, still seems like a good idea to pick up a few regional words at least. Absolutely. I'd like to have a good base to build upon at some point. >And really if you came to a place like Switzerland or rural Bavaria speaking High German, you may as well be speaking English. But isn't a certain amount of Standard German knowledge inescapable for people all over Germany nowadays? I read that even people even in the middle of nowhere nowadays know it due to to the media and the school curriculum.

>>573 Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, weil Ich sehr faul bin. Ich habe es 3 oder 4 Jahre in der Schule gelernt, aber es war nicht genug fuer mich zu die Sprache richtig lernen.

How does one learn the articles (der/die/das)? My native language also has articles for nouns, but they differ from the German ones, so my intuition naturally tells me what article to use based on my native language and it's wrong most of the time when applied to German. Are there some rules to go by? From what I searched, nothing much came up, basically JUST FUCKING LEARN IT BY HEART. I tried that, but I just can't. They get mixed up so easily, you only have 3 articles and thousands of words and, as far as I know, no real rules to go by. I basically gave up on memorizing them, it's nearly impossible for me now, just given my utter hatred of the damn thing. Is there perhaps an alternative route to take to learn these?

>>577 Yep there ain't no rules. The only way is whenever you learn a word also learn the article.

>>578 Well fuck. I try to learn them that way, but I always forget or mix them up. I also tried Anki cards, but after like 20 cards I want to smash my head against the wall just because of how boring it is. Guess I have to accept it and persevere. FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>577 the more you hate something, the more it'll hate you back. Don't stress too much over one grammar point, even if you don't learn it now it'll come eventually. Learn to recognise the gender of both the definite article and the indefinite article in all the cases. Many nouns that you'll see during input are in different cases and have different articles. For example, if you notice a genitive noun with the article "der" and the noun isn't plural, you'll know it is feminine. Protip: Edit you anki cards to make the ("die") pink, the ("der") blue, and the ("das") green. When you see a masculine noun, imagine a strong man interacting with it. When you see a feminine noun, imagine a curvy woman interacting with it. When you see a neuter noun, imagine a genderless creature (like ET) interacting with it.

>>419 brain gains from sapir-whorf are a benefit no matter where you live

Can Anons point me to some good sources of immersion? When I tried searching for videos of things I'm interested in on youtube, I didn't understand almost anything because the vocabulary used was highly niche and technical. I sometimes read krautchan, but the fags there were very insufferable and it felt like a regional cuckchan, so I stopped.

>>580 I think I've gotten closer to accepting it. Now I kind of like the idea that 'in der Schule' and 'in die Schule' have different meaning, same with 'in die Hand' and 'in der Hand'. It's still overwhelming and angering but now to a lesser extent. Thanks for the colored der/die/das tip. Is there a way to apply it globally or do I have to edit each card individually?

>>583 I know that Discord is kinda taboo, but have you tried one of those places that have dedicated servers for speaking specific languages?

>>584 >Discord Lol no, never have and never will. I found out that reading the german stackexchange isn't a bad activity for learning. But it isn't a proper immersion. Maybe I'll watch old German/Austrian films or something.

>>571 Funfact: the dialects of Switzerland have their own vocab and grammar, although if you already know Hochdeutsch, you can pick up Swiss german quite easily. The Swiss dialects are part of the same "dialect continuum" (Alemmanic) as the German spoken in Baden-Württemberg, Alsace, Lichtenstein, and the eastern part of Austria. Also, the Alemmanic German has its own wikipedia https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Houptsyte The german swiss subreddit (reddit.comr/Schwiiz) is entirely in swiss German There is a "zürich dialect" grammar books in this folder. https://mega.nz/folder/x4VG3DRL#lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A/folder/ItEgnZKb

>>570 wrong and retarded take by either an idiot or a butthurt bavarian/austrian. No, northern german and southern german dialects aren't even close to being unintelligible to each other. Only a few people in the south believe that because I guess they specifically are too retarded to understand northern german dialects somehow and think it works the other way around

>>693 >Austrians aren't Germans Why didn't anyone tell them that when they joined the German Confederation?

Translate pl0x.

>>120 >just a b64 string encoded twice >b - a what?

hey >>696 you can translate very well with llms now. try that