PDF is rejected because it's only export format, not intended for editing. Wait... but it is possible to edit it, in LibreOffice Draw. So should be considered too? But on operating systems like DOS, FreeDOS it will be only possible to view PDF, not edit it. I need multi platform support.

Use LaTeX for math and large documents (and if you need more advanced/complex features). RTF is okay if you need to share simple text documents with people who have M$ Windows. For taking notes, you should use org-mode or markdown (and you can convert these to HTML, if you want to).

.docx for wageslaves .odt for free men

>>10459 >on operating systems like DOS, FreeDOS Other than some niche retro stuff, I doubt more than a handful of people uses that as a daily driver.

My vote is for RTF. ~99% of Windows PCs have WordPad installed. On Linux you can edit RTF with LibreOffice. For every document I've made (resumes, lists, essays) RTF had a smaller filesize than either DOCX or ODT. It has powerful enough formatting for most normie needs.

The final format is no format: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 >is the format simple, efficient, small? Nothing could be simpler, and it's as efficient as you make it. >is it open source, free, or at least without patents or some other shit? The source is an inherent part of the format >is it supported by large amount of software? for import and export? Supportable by anything that runs on the same architecture >is it malware? has hidden metadata and other shit? complex and proprietary? All data is explicit >does the format allow for huge documents? All the way to the halting problem. >what the format supports? formatted text, embedded fonts, images, tables, embedded files, hyperlinks, what else? Anything your turing machine can do >is it simple to open both for viewing and editing? Could anything be simpler than spooling up a virtual process, pointing it at the first record, and telling it to keep going? >are the editors of the format small efficient or bloated and buggy? Vi-editable (or emacs, I'm agnostic) couldn't get more efficient.

RTF for writing and formatting. PDF for sending document to whoever needs it.

>>10458 (OP) Make everything a database, especially to dispel excel codemonkeys.

>>10458 (OP) Remember when ISO was going to make OpenDocument the only standard document format, but Microsoft bribed and bullied members to prevent that? https://archive.is/LJqH7 https://archive.is/iKbox

>>10458 (OP) > formatted text document, with tables and embedded images. > -is the format simple, efficient, small? YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE

>>11288 >t. based niggerbrained Bangalore-politechnic mathematician The suggestion of a file format analogous toa tape that describes itself is not new, it would be any .exe file, perhaps assuming batch files and such instructions could be coded in a more compact manner. This is obviously not a new idea, nor an untested idea, however, parsing an .exe file for instance, compared to any other format takes more processing power and is often on itself a "black box" because we don't know what's inside until we open it, which is obviously not convenient. >muh uncommon novelty opinion >muh boomer RSA encryptiun le couppled with brain-interfacr Intelligence Amplifiers TOTAL NIGGER DEATH O T A L N I G G E R D E A T H

Write your documents in processable formats like .org or .md, then convert them to whatever else you might need (document formats, PDF and PostScript, images, etc) as you need. It's especially effective when you write scripts that follow the same formatting and style each time, so you do not need to re-add the same page number footers or something every time.

>>10458 (OP) very large documents, especially anything requiring sophisticated formatting or equations, should be latex to preserve your sanity WYSIWYG editors like word and the document formats they generate are best as just stopgaps for shorter documents or for people who don't want to learn something more technical for what they're doing or do know and just don't want to bother as an emacs user i use org-mode for the vast majority of my documents, notes, and even some small-size spreadsheet-like stuff.

>>10459 >Wait... but it is possible to edit it, in LibreOffice Draw All it does is reverse engineer the file, some things work but others get fucked in the process of editing

RTF next question

>formatted text >tables >embedded images .tex solved this problem long ago.

Styling is for queers. Type it up in vim with a max character length and print it

typst, it is open source and written in rust

libre math is much faster to write than latex its pretty neat for when I need to do homework or take notes

Use orgmode documents.

.md or .odt

>>10458 (OP) >Proposals: >-ODF (.odt) -Rich Text Format (.rtf) -HTML -DOC (.doc) -DOCX Among your proposals, HTML is the better one in my opinion. What I think is needed: - the format must be readable 200 years from now, so it should be a open standard, with backward compatibility - the format should be easily parsable - the structure and presentation must be separate (HTML + CSS) - Can embed audio and video and images - the software producing it and reading it must be available 200 hundreds years from now : we just need a text editor and I think web browser will still exist. - must be patent free. - can virtually render in any shape or form assuming it has classes and id in div. - can be enhanced by JS. - huge ecosystem around it - can embed fonts, images... What is limiting it I think, is tables are not as good as in a Word Processor. And the video / images and audio format are limited, for security and patents reasons. RTF is too simple. DOC is not as open. ODF/DOCX are XML under the hood and open, but they need complex software to be produced, whereas HTML can still be written by hand if necessary. The JS part of HTML is a bit of a mess though, but it's not mandatory. I wish we could standardize a new scripting language for the web, with a simple syntax for regular people like Python, strongly typed, better performance/parallelization and "relatively" memory safe like Rust. With battery included for DOM manipulation, or codec implementation. I usually export to HTML from markdown when i want to share stff with colleague. It can still be edited and it is "responsive/can flow" unlike fixed size PDF.

Typst. Latex is a horrible user experience.

>>10458 (OP) > Rapes all the other document formats > Leaves

>-is it open source, free, or at least without patents or some other shit >-is it supported by large amount of software? for import and export Redundant. The question is *can* it be supported. If it is open source then it can. The onus is then on devs to integrate support.

>>10458 (OP) ODF. The best compromise between having sound & solid foundation and being complex enough to thrive as a standard across decades. Maybe it's not so simple when looking at its structure, but once you understand it, you'll notice it's extensible as fuck and can serve for ages with incremental improvements. Also fuck Microsoft. OOXML in its pure form is okay too, but since no one uses it like that, ODF gets my vote.

>>18669 It seems good but the og spec lacked some expected features and wasn't well defined. Now we have a few flavors and no real unambiguous base. If it was made consistent by the og author we at least would have good base to extend and now we are left with almost that.

>>20503 Not really, because if it isn't supported now it may prevent the format from being popular leading back to lack of support.

>>10458 (OP) >.jpg >Or any other image format, really. The future is using wasteful ML-driven apps to convert and edit needlessly large raw image files on the fly. Yes, that tech doesn't exist yet. You're right. But it will, inevitably. No, your opinion about AI does not matter. You are poor, remember? That tech will be adopted, whether you like it or not. Because all administration will forcefeed it down your throat.

>>18664 >Typst Shill it to me.

>>10458 (OP) groff

>>18669 Markdown tables are horrible. They lack so many features it makes it useless for anything but the most basic shit. I wish it was better because I like the idea.

>>18669 Interesting thing I didn't know: Markdown was invented by the DaringFireball guy.

RTF or a subset of HTML.