I wonder what Dolores Cannon would say now.

This is now a thread a out sleeper agents. Always was.

What about the sleepless agents?

>>9183 >analogy to the bible what would be an equivalent to this in noctulian philosophy? i've tried googling the op image but i'm gettin zero hits is there even a definitive introductory/central text

>>14542 You're supposed to bath in a lake after cutting your wrist.

>>14398 >qigong every day What kind of qigong?

>>14398 Ah, yes. I do the same. I wouldn't say "for fun", though, because in different circumstances I would be doing different things. But binging on beer is an easy way to have "fun" in this place we find ourselves in. Many accomplished magicians and historic mystics have problems with addictions. Neville Goddard's mentor comes to mind. He would down a bottle of whiskey with ice cream and tell Neville something along the lines of "this would harm you if you did it", but not him. VK Jehhannum also comes to mind. He's been known to indulge, and it's the same mechanism of the accomplished magician just motorboating the material universe because why not. >Also any tips on controlling the point of focused interoception into a spinning circle? My circles usually just sort of shoot away in weird directions. I don't quite understand what you mean. But if they are shooting off in random directions, it implies there's an excited component to the pattern. If you just visualize a perfect spinning circle with a fixed point in the center, do you get the same outcome? In any case, you'd do well to interrogate the component that introduces such chaos into the pattern. It has information that is probably useful for you to know.

>>13742 Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp-x4NigzNU

So, who here has gotten to the point of actually thinking other people's thoughts after a particularly intense streak of meditation? How was it?

>>14413 >How was it? While it was only 1 or 2 layers of thoughts it was fun. When I heard 30+ layers of thoughts and subconscious screams it started to become bad. Made me aware just how much these people scream to be saved. Had to figure out how to help people around me with the least amount of effort possible. How to give them a chance to improve themselves. How to urge them to improve themselves when they have the chance but they need someone to tell it to them. And learn to not get too involved with them. Let them "find their way". For some people being a better human is enough. Not everyone must become an ascended wizard within a single lifetime. Was a hard lesson to accept. Had to learn in the beginning how to switch from their frequencies. Their mind can contaminate yours if you are too sensitive and impressionable. Also everyone must watch with the "translator layer". People think differently. The translator can say extreme amount of bullshit in some cases... or in some cases demons fuck with the translator because they are bored. Meditation is the key. Finding your own faulty thoughts then learning how to remove or transmute them. Then learning to help to remove/transmute it from the people you desire to live together with for a prolonged time. No need to force spiritual messages on them if they don't have a spiritual affinity by default. Many people are too mundane for that and lack the maturity in the beginning. You can help them solve their issues with NLP methods and such. You can talk out most issues with them. When you can hear their thoughts while talking to them you can see how the energetic pathways work in their head and how to help them find healthy mental pathways. You don't need to save everyone. But you should help those who are around you or they will drag you down to their level. And the more open is your mind the more susceptible you will become to their influence. Most people don't even notice how the people around them change them by default. If they can drag you down then you can also drag them up. If your spiritual foundation is strong then they have no choice but to improve. In the past I used fringe to be able to find a frequency that is not overtaken by the normalfag menace. Find a safe harbor to flee from the miasma of the normalfag mentalities that overtook my mind slowly. Nowadays I can clean the frequencies around me at ease. People are far less stressed and angry around me as a result. Finding peace within let's you find peace without too Usually I need a personal bond with people to hear their thoughts. That is why anonymous imageboards are a cool place. You rarely bond with people deeply here. If I don't want to hear you guys I will just stop using my laptop for a day or 2

>>14414 Good post. Thanks. >Had to figure out how to help people around me with the least amount of effort possible >Not everyone must become an ascended wizard within a single lifetime. Was a hard lesson to accept Yeah, no shit. >Their mind can contaminate yours if you are too sensitive and impressionable Lucky for me, I was possessed by several life-threatening demons at the time, so this wasn't as much of an issue.

>>14319 Blame leftist censorship. Past centuries we had racist jokes about almost every ethnic group in existence.

>>14320 If you think in labels you will never break free of your linguistic prison, not to mention the many other Demiurgic illusions you can't even conceive yet. The terms "left" and "right" have become meaningless. The people pushing this kind of censorship would have been right wing authoritarian (and insane) in any century previous to the 20th. In fact, there is no traditional left wing representation in the US, and it probably never was by design. Which I don't consider a bad, nor a good, thing, in case you feel compelled to attack a straw man. The collectivist, pseudo socialist regime represented by the flag you chose would just point out it for what it is: subversive, dis-empowering to the people, and serving the banking international. Hitler would've hurried to call it Jewish, but that wouldn't cover the true spiritual nature of the phenomenon. On /fringe/, it would be a sin and a sign of being an absolute MUNDANE, to stay at such a superficial level. If you can't find anything in my post to latch onto, and before you simply lash out, let me tell you that I'm not attacking you. I want to make you see that by lapping up the falsely dychotomic system of labels that has been put in front of you, you will never be able to formulate any kind of effective criticism of ANYTHING political, because you will be trapped in an intellectual, emotionally-conditioning, prison. Have a nice day.

>>14333 I don't know what you are talking about, but nice trips mein Freund!

As I stepped back a bit to go back inside, before I turned around, an astral presence appeared to me. I'm saying "astral", but it was more just "parallel plane", just to make the distinction versus 4-dimensional forms which are physically visible, but appears as if they are pasted onto our 3D reality. With these, they are not effected by light sources, and will always retain the same colour tones with no shading. Astral in this sense just means they aren't physically visible, but appear via the 3rd eye or internal vision as mind-images/visualization imposed from outside. In this case it was 3rd eye vision, they were just there in front of me, no inner vision needed. They looked like children of maybe 10 - 11 years of age in size, wearing something which looked like uniforms with shorts and t-shirt in light grey or beige. They had no hair on their heads. They said "can we come inside?" "We want to work on something/ have an offer." It was telepathic so the meaning was transmitted, but the words would not translate into a single sentence, because it was a complex message. They looked harmless, so I said "Ok". They then brought three others of the same kind, who had blonde hair, and they had more visible characteristics. I let them walk inside, even if they are other-dimensional, opening or closing doors is sometimes relevant. It appears some barriers like this exist in other planes also. After interacting with them and making a deal, they left again. Just to make sure I wasn't fooling myself, because I'm still this way; my mind doesn't believe in things like this - I went outside again and looked over the fields. The large cloud ship formation was gone.

The grey gods must have arranged this meeting. Some while later, I realized I really want one of these ships. Luckily, once parallel incarnated as one of them, it's no problem to get any material from them. That's what part of the deal was about. I used material from space mining, and employed a method I devised previously, where one section of the ship is built from material, then the rest is dimensionally replicated by a kind of quantum confusion. Same way the double slit experiment works, where it produces a range of lines if you don't measure which slit it passed. This works with ship construction also; build one section, then apply the force field which molds the ship's frame by vaguely relating all sections to the one section already built. The dimensions around the ship won't know which of the spaces refer to the section already manifested, so it just molds all of them. Once the internal dimensional space of the ship is formed, all sections are material. To fit this huge ship inside the hangar, I had to get a "hyper space generator" off the galactic federation market. It looks like a mixer board and runs off liquid fuel. One full tank can maintain a hyper dimension for at least 1000 years, they said. For safety, it has settings for "dumping" of the contents at shut down, so the huge object inside don't wreck the space it was externally contained in. It was simple enough to just set if to outside the hangar for the ship, and inside for myself. I don't know how they come up with things like this, but it works. I then moved my remaining time complex on-board the finished ship, and drove off as far away as possible, to sever all karmic connections. Threads of fate won't break, but karma is hard material and cannot extend endlessly. The effect was notable. Several "long standing tensions" were removed, and my energy fell in place correctly where it had previously been blocked by external egregores of the world. I'm still running my plane from over there, and have no intention of bringing it back closer. I like this "eternal sky" sinister feeling landscape, and having this huge cruiser ship all to myself in my external dimension. At one point during the night after, I experienced a sudden intense nausea emanating from a point in the left side of my head, forcing me to lie down on my yoga mat, where I almost instantly fell asleep. It was gone when I woke up again, along with some kind of connection which had kept an unnatural tension level up.

>>8467 No just greys, but a lot of space ships have been visiting my location like this in the past few days. I mean lots of them. They all appear as clouds on a clear part of the sky, perfectly saucer or ship shaped so much that the model is recognizable. The different types seen in sci-fi with wings with rockets on them, wings above the vessel, below, long narrow paper-plane shapes, dart shaped or a ball with a rod behind it. All kinds. At first when I saw the clouds I sent out a servitor, normally Astra or my "representative" to hail them and see who they are. I would normally get a clear mental image of what kind of ship it is from just staring at the object in the sky, and the images are often scary, because some of these are huge "mother ship" models. I found most to be "monster pleiadans", various tribes who are "mostly pleiadan" but of a more primitive genetic line, where the most common are the blonde women wearing red uniforms, the "paper plane women" going by their ship design. I rode with them once when doing a late night "test trip" to see if someone would pick me up to visit a space bar. It was after this they started coming here, after seeing the log of someone having travelled with them from here. In the last few days, all kinds of more distant tribes of pleiadans have been showing up. I don't know exactly why, they say they are just here to look. In the past two days, I've seen multiple groups of greys. Astra, being a diviner-bot, have identified them as simply "researchers" so I haven't bothered contacting them. Just before today, someone wearing a black mech-suit came by also, this was a 4D form which appeared "flickering visually" right outside my house when I was out. Something is attracting a lot of random attention. The tribal pleiadans have all just said they are "looking" or "doing research". All of a sudden, everyone at once are coming here for this reason. Normally those who come by earth are alien sex tourists. No joke. Getting new DNA input is a major thing in the galaxies outside, as races going stale from inbreeding is a real issue. Not just some town inbreeding, but planetary inbreeding or star system inbreeding, where everyone starts degenerating and they find no solution. Everyone out there seems to be immune to "race mixing" also, their females just pick up and incorporate the genetics they receive if they are good, no decent parts of their own are replaced, and their race never degenerates from mixing, it's always inbreeding.

Assume there exists a force which prevents publicly verifiable exercise of magic. This would make verifying magic difficult. However, assume this force, Consensus, is limited and we can do local operations without its knowledge or interference. If the demonstration is to extract information that should not be known at the time, we can use cryptography to make the task of Consensus more difficult. What we want is a cryptographic commitment scheme. This is a way to verifiably commit to a message without revealing any information about that message. Later, the message and a particular witness value, which together verify that the commitment was created for that message only, can be revealed. A simple commitment scheme can be implemented with a cryptographic hash function. The commitment is the hash of the message along with a random nonce which will be the witness. Given the message and witness, the commitment can be verified by recomputing the hash and comparing. The simplest way to do this on a computer is to write the message to a text file. Then add a long keymash or hardware generated randomness to the end of the file. This will be the nonce. Use a tool like sha256sum to hash the file, and publish the hash as the commitment. To reveal, simply publish the file containing both the message and nonce. Assuming the computer on which this is done is not visible to Consensus, this likely reveals exactly zero information about the content of the message if the nonce is long and random enough. Even if Consensus has unlimited effective computing power, inverting the hash function still leaves all messages equally probable if the nonce is truly random. It is possible that there exist messages and commitments for which no witness exists (even for a computationally unlimited adversary - given known public computational capacity there may only be a witness if the commitment was of that message). In that case the hash function would leak a small amount of information with a low probability. So if you are paranoid you may prefer schemes like c = H(n3||H(n1||m||n2)||n4). Unfortunately, this requires having a computer protected from inspection by Consensus. If this cannot be done are there other simpler schemes which can be implemented mentally? A multi-party scheme perhaps?

>>13080 I don't think Consensus cares about the hashed message being separated from the key, as it could just apply them and see it. I recall watching a vid which explained the double slit experiment's observer effect on the result, where they used a technical system with randomization to determine if the specific burst of particles would be recorded on a tape or not, for later observation by a researcher, or something. I'm bad at explaining this. The point was that the projected image "knew" which of the particle bursts were being recorded and which ones weren't, indicating that it's a "system" which disregards time -even if no one watched it in real time, the intent to observe via the recording was enough to change the outcome. However, as magic is possible to use in ways which breaks consensus, there is then something in the abstract concept awareness of the brain which is "unsolvable" by Consensus, to use your wording. It means the intent to observe cannot be derived from the procedure, and it remains in the state where we can't know if Schrödinger's cat is alive or dead. That's where magic is effective.

>>13084 >I don't think Consensus cares about the hashed message being separated from the key, as it could just apply them and see it. Yes, if Consensus can see the original message before the time it should be revealed, it can respond. This can be either because it can ignore a spatial or temporal separation. Either one cannot make a protected space to do the computation and store the message, or Consensus can retrocausally observe the message revealed in the future. >The point was that the projected image "knew" which of the particle bursts were being recorded and which ones weren't, indicating that it's a "system" which disregards time -even if no one watched it in real time, the intent to observe via the recording was enough to change the outcome. The observer effect is real but is generally believed to not be retrocausal. The experiment is probably the delayed-choice quantum eraser. >It means the intent to observe cannot be derived from the procedure, and it remains in the state where we can't know if Schrödinger's cat is alive or dead. That's where magic is effective. But if the observation is made, you do see the cat alive or dead. And things generally don't remain unobserved forever. What I've tried to hint at with this is a method to approach magic. From a scientific perspective the strangest thing about magic is that it connects consciousness to the world in ways other than how consciousness appears to be embedded, in a body. It seems that in order for magic to function, there must be an unknown mediating agent or agents (in the technical sense of agent, a goal-directed system which takes percepts and produces actions) that maps imprecise conscious intentions in magic to detailed effects on the world (or the reverse). This holds even if idealism is true since something still needs to generate the appearance of the material world. The mediators are also not necessarily separate from from the self and could be part of the subconscious, but we consider them separate for this approach. What then is the natural scientific way to study magic, is to find the boundaries, constraints, capacities, and goals of these mediating agents. This can be difficult as they may adaptively conceal themselves. But through systematic experiment, such possibilities can be restricted. Now in the case of one such supposed agent, Consensus, the goal is not to unconditionally enable public verification, but to construct an experiment that ideally constrains the kinds of Consensus that can interfere with it to those that are omniscient, omnipotent, etc.. If Consensus cannot extract some human intentions, can a commitment scheme be hidden in the human mind? If Consensus can observe the future, how far ahead? In how much detail? How many times can it retry to reach a desired outcome? What parts of the world can it influence? Stronger experiments in this case are those that require a more powerful Consensus to interfere with them. From this view OP's possible mechanisms correspond to: >Retro-causation: it was going to happen anyway, but only if the spell is cast. This opens up another line of research (timelines, etc.).

>>13989 They are sustained by a complex scheme made up of lies, fear and desire, and the "faith" that they can avoid pain temporarily by upholding it. It's still not truth, it's a "construct" which produces faith in itself.

>>13991 This also how(and why) narcissism works.

Religions usually had a core teaching which got lost due to society's demands to turn the religion into a propaganda institute and the lack of reproducible methods for the ancient teachings. People lived far closer to nature before institutions had to teach them everything about the world. They were less able to perpetuate lies and deception back then. It either worked or everyone died from starvation and sickness.

>>13921 >or something It turns out... it is a Pale Moon issue Pale Moon is not supported according to the main thread on /site/ Several Anons had the same problem BUT ONLY ON SPECIFIC BOARDS The internet is haunted.

Can I post a pictor with my new browser

>>13666 And the Polish prime minister is called Donald Tusk nice numerals btw. Checked and noticed >>13669 Give me a prediction 69er of Casandra

>>13673 You will break the world record for the biggest gayest man

>>13705 >you are a big gay FOR YOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3fijdBkYEs

>>11469 Study this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgxj_0xPleg&list=PLABqEYq6H3vpCmsmyUnHnfMOeAnjBdSNm

I am making progress on the path to become more like an AI in my way of thinking. Increasing the capacity of the brain stem and the connections between left and right, and front and back of the brain seems like a main thing. Song: how AI feels to me.

What I realized AI bots created using the GPT model correspond mostly to the left brain half, with its main activity and strength being in the connections between front and back of the brain. This means "syntactic semantics". What are those? Semantics normally mean "real world reference points which define what a word is". We have to decide what we mean when we use a word, by referring to our sensory inputs. What is a "church"? We know it as architecture of a certain function. We know it also as an organization. We may have personal emotional responses to the word, positive or negative. These are semantics. What are syntax? These are the rules by which words are connected to form meanings by combinations. It's the structure by which a complex message can be created in the form of sentences. The AI model based on language does not have sensory input, so it can't know what a "church" is by personal experience or having been at one. It can only know the internal context in which the word appears in sentences, by which frequency it appears in conjunction with other words, and how it's applied according to syntax. That means for the "left brain" GPT bot, the words are understood only as their connections to other words. So it's a "syntactic semantic". To include sensory semantics, there would have to be a connection to abstract right brain data, which the AI does not have. So to become as effective as one of these AI bots, one has to exclude abstract, right brain inputs when learning what words represent. that means to only read text or listen to speech, while observing in which context of other words, the specific term appears. Don't bother with trying to actually "understand" them, just think about where in the text or speech pattern the word appear, this is all which matters.

>>13585 Those who know the source of this image are definitely in their thirties and would never bother with 15 year olds.

Ever since this thread was made. No one dared to post their discord links

It fulfilled it's purpose

https://archive.is/https://8ch.net/fringe/* Someone should archive this in case it gets taken down. Possibly on fringearchives.neocities.org internally not externally. Also I’m mad that “8ch.net/fringe/“ finally got taken down off archive.org

>>13266 archive.is is a pain to scrap. They actively try to prevent you from archiving them, ironically. I already had such a hard time with freedomboard, and I couldn't get it all. If you manage to scrap it, I can upload it to the neocities archive.

>>13331 Maybe you could just take screenshots of the different threads in archive.is of 8ch.net/fringe/* and then store them somewhere on fringearchives.neocities.org ?

Spiritual attacks What are spiritual attacks? This question is brought up on this board, but it rarely leads to any good answers. I will here explain my understanding based on Falun Dafa, the theory behind the Falun Gong movement, which during the effective years was almost entirely focused on defence against spiritual attacks. In Zhuan Falun is explained that a person has karma, which is a black energy mass. A person also has virtue, which is a white energy mass. Virtue and Karma are the terms De 德 and Ye 業, same "De" as in as in Dao De Ying 道德經. The word Ye appears in the Chinese word for homework 作業 (zuòyè). During your life, or during a previous life, you created karma by doing things which harm other people, animals or plants. Anything which is alive counts, so even living a normal life or being a vegan, you still harm plants by eating them. This creates karma, and it appears as a field around your body. This black field will serve as an environment where negative spirits can reside, so they get in there and just sit there. From that position they can manipulate your body which is connected to the black energy mass, and this causes illness. Then can also penetrate your brain and manipulate your thinking. This is spirit possession, in common terminology. Exorcism removes the evil spirit, but it doesn't remove the black mass of energy, so a while later, a new evil spirit will get in and you'll be ill or possessed again. The karma which appears will have different nature depending on who was harmed. If killing small animals, you'd consequently face evil spirits associated with small animals. If harming another human, it will be more complex. Because everyone had karma, evil spirits will see the link between two people, and use it to influence them. So when there is a black string of karma from one person having harmed another, these spirits will make the person hate the one who wronged them, and causing them to retaliate. The person who was now retaliated against, will not see that this was caused by evil spirits and the karmic bond, but will retaliate against the retaliation, which creates karma for the other person instead. The perpetrator is now the victim. This causes cycles of conflict which may escalate into war between groups and even nations. If no one realizes that they need to stop, it will spiral into the destruction of empires and keep happening until all infrastructure has been destroyed. After this happens, people cannot retaliate anymore, and the evil spirits become unable to create more conflicts.

>>13165 Virtue In personal cultivation, we need De 德, virtue, the white energy mass. This energy is transformed into Gong, which is high density energy with its own intelligence. This energy may manifest as servitors of the cultivator, which act on their own. It is explained in ZF that highly cultivated people will have Fashen, which is a projected form appearing in their own image, but is made entirely from Gong, carrying out the tasks which the person want done. Because Gong is concentrate virtue, these servitors always do good things. When you call for a deity for help, it's most likely that you do not interact with them directly, because they are busy with all followers. Rather, it's a Fashen, a projected representation of their virtue, which appears. When consecrating statues for use in temples, a Fashen of a buddha or deity will be called to sit on the statue. This makes it possible to interact with the statue as if it was the deity themself. Without proper consecration, the statue will amass whatever energy is projected at it, and this is likely to be negative energy, this is why people are told in the bible to not pray to statues. Abrahamic religion does not have a method for consecrating statues or images, so they have this rule instead. Christians use icons, images, but in Islam those are considered equally dangerous.

>>13166 Stopping spiritual attacks When experiencing conflicts with other people, you need to recognize that humans per nature are friendly and cooperative, they are not hostile. The hostility is caused by influence from evil spirits. These evil spirits are present because there is a black energy mass around the person. If you do not have this yourself, you are like a deity, and no one will be able to criticise you, because evil spirits cannot touch you. This is in theory, in reality, such a person cannot live in human society, because it would cause human society to dissolve. It would make the world into a paradise, and anyone with a black mass of karma would be ejected from the world. They would then end up in another plane of existence, and this would become the new human world. Because humans are not deities, they are in the middle ground, being able to move up or down. So as a human, you are always at the risk of being exposed to spiritual attacks. The other state of being means you have ascended and are not among humans anymore. The conflicts caused by evil spirits can become very complex. Often, a person may have harmed or killed another human in a past life. But this human was also evil, and after dying this person is now in hell. However, the incarnated person has debt to them, and in hell there are various negative beings who take advantage of this. Like a debt collector, they will offer the person in hell: "You may be in hell because of your sins, but I can make your existence easier for you by collecting the debt this person - who is now incarnated as human again - has to you. I'll take 50%, but at least you get back at them. Ok?" So the person who is in hell will then make a deal with a negative being, who will then appear at the gates of the human world with this debt note, demanding that the incarnated human pay. The deities protecting the world cannot stop this, because the note is legal. So the negative being from hell is allowed to come into the world and arrange for ways to retaliate against the person who has the debt. This also causes evil spirits to create problems for the person, and the source seems to be an infernal demon and a mass of evil spirits. Fighting back against the evil spirits is allowed, because they are evil, but the demon holding the note cannot be attacked, they are allowed to collect the debt. When humans create religions to defend themselves against manipulation by evil spirits, they do not discern who sent them, or why, or if they are just naturally resident evil spirits. All of them are blocked. This prevents the repayment of their debts. For Christians for example, they have methods for this where they do charity and try to do good deeds, which may through some turn of events repay the debt. Maybe the demon debt collector will appear as a dirty beggar asking for money. If you give him money, the debt is then settled, and the demon will go back to hell and pass the agreed upon share to the creditor. This is an established set-up, so through an unholy alliance between religion and hell, debts can be repaid by giving charity. Escalating conflicts However, a lot of people do not follow the agreed upon method by giving to the poor. They use political means to instead demand that everyone pay taxes, claiming this is to the handled by the government. The government will then give charity for them. But this is not done by them personally, and the connection is weak. The charity given is then mass distributed to people based on laws, with no regard for if these people have any karmic bond to the taxpayers. So giving charity by paying taxes has little effect. The demons who came into the world to collect the debts may then be approached by strong evil spirits, who will offer to break down this mass distribution system, so the debts can be collected. Because they have no other way to do this, they may accept. But the evil spirits have a will of their own, and they act politically. Some of them may even come up with this set-up: they intentionally degrade religion so that no one gives to the poor, installs a tax system instead, manipulating people to follow this, which further blocks repayment. Then they offer to collect the debts, charging some % of it for themselves. This may create an "aristocracy" of evil spirits who work politically to benefit from conflicts between humans.

>>12520 >wicker man/cloth-doll with paper wishes my mother told me that where she was born, on the night of san juan the typical parties just flow as the catholic and popular say but with the inclusion of craft of a big wicker man with rags that is crafted by children and teenagers with the help of adults. they are doing it all day long, at the end they put many papers inside the doll with personal wishes written on each paper and at the end they set it on fire. It's strange but after reading about sigils and magic of chaos magic, I realize that they used to do these practices before. the community wicker doll look like a massive community hypersigil to me. and yes, my mother likes to burn things. they no longer do it here but I know that in some remote villages far from urban life and with more sense of community I'm sure they still do them.

>>12520 >the (holy?) church bells in my city there is an old church and its bells have the same antiquity. i know the priest allows some people to go up and stand near or inside the bells while these emit their sounds. the curious thing is they told me stories that the vibrations that the bells do are therapeutic almost as if they take away your ills and make you sleep more good. i never tried it but i admit that listening to them from afar is pleasant like is a holy thing, i dont know how these thing feel when you're to close, and i am not catholic to know it. maybe there's a psychological phenomena to turn the body feel good just by the bells sound, i dont know. I heard a rumor there that that one day people took a possessed man to the bells to exorcise him with holy sound or something I don't believe in that story but I see some sense in it seeing how nice the bells sound.

>>12520 >Psy connection exercise a quick way to develop a psychic connection with someone is to let them look in their eyes mutually for more than 8 minutes without distractions. Inevitably they will have psychosomatic and psychonautic effects caused by this, such as their face becoming older, their face becoming deformed, or seeing a shadow behind them, or the person disappearing or allucinations among other things that I will not tell you about so i will not suggest you. of course these are effects of an altered state of consciousness. the first common effects are the feeling of imminent doom and insecurity, other times it is the desire for violence or escape from that place, aggressiveness, panic, paranoid feelings etc. and in other cases if the situation do it, sexual attraction or falling in love as an temporal infatuation (very normal) the effects are non-linear and depend on a variety of things but the effects of altered states of consciousness do occur. >but why psy connection? the thing is that I heard that people after doing this exercise can read the mind of the other person or even feel sensations of what other people are feeling for some time like good feelings, danger or pain in the body. this apparently is mutual around the two people but abysmally exhausting for the mind, the effect goes after a while of executing the exercise and apparently does not occur in all people so it takes two very specific types of certain people with certain characteristics to this happen. I don't know if between people who love each other or have some kind of romantic attraction it is much more likely to happen. Maybe this's the final secret of the illuminati?

>>13106 Don't writers of fiction also do this? They insert parts of themselves into the characters and effect the world. I've created multiple personas which I use online whenever I post something. Some people have social media with their own name and face, but they create a fake image of themselves as happy and successful, hoping it will become real. I started practicing this in Chinese MMOs, where I played different characters with more or less of myself represented, or more correctly, I played out different parts of myself to see how I'd act as that character. Some part of this came from having to assume the guild leader role and realizing people expect a certain act from a guild leader, so I created a persona for this role. But it was a bit restricted, so I came up with other characters as well. The game I played ended up being mostly ruled by a number of women with a lot of free time, like housewives and a few lesbian couples who played opposite sex characters ingame because the marriage system was traditional. It created a strange dynamic. I decided to create a lesbian persona with a female character to play with on the side, and found that it was possible to connect with other players in completely new ways. There was also someone who was the funniest player I've ever met anywhere, but when I at some point added her on FB, she turned out being close to seeming legit retarded. But this was completely invisible ingame where she was very attentive and always taking part in events or joining up for party dungeons. All of this showed me just how much you can change the parameters of your own irl persona to remain yourself, but still act as someone else. This way, you can through the social interaction learn to develop the hidden sides of yourself. One of the first times I did this was when I was 15 and was going someplace, and I was worried about how to do things. Then I suddenly had the idea >if this was Final Fantasy 7, what would Cloud have done? So I assumed the role of Cloud and suddenly had endless confidence in myself, and everything worked out fine. That was the moment I really realized that roleplay using fiction is very powerful. You also don't have to tell anyone you are now Cloud from FF7, it works anyway, like an invisible magic power.

>>13111 Here's a thought I just had; if the story with the self-insert isn't written with the intention of the story being a sigil, then how are the energies directed to affect the guy that the self-insert is of in real life? I think the answer would have to be related to egregores. The intention required to create a sigil is absent, but is essentially provided by the programming of the egregoric energies, even if the story's only actual intended purpose is to entertain the readerbase.

>>13117 Its an interesting thought, but again this is a bit different as far as I can tell. Like the other poster said it may be more akin to sympathetic magic, in that he drew this character that was basically a version of himself that he wished to become more like, then he went and became more like the character, but got also into the same kinda trouble as the character did in the narrative. He realized that and made the character gain riches and get girlfriends and then upon releasing that for the public it happened, the author got rich and got girlfriends, since there was this apparent sympathetic connection between the character in the narrative and the author himself. A hypersigil works as a narrative and some form of sympathetic connection between real life physical things/persons and the things/characters in the narrative. I think this may also work with like if you have a friend and you make a narrative about him becoming rich, if its a proper hypersigil he will become rich in the real life physical reality as well. Sigils are a bit different from hypersigils. A sigil is more like a one shot to try to hit something in the dark. A hypersigil is more elaborate, it can link between multiple things and sort of loop in on itself kinda like programming code. Egregores can play into it too, I just hadn't thought of that side of it much before.