>>13230 Do you socialize? Do you have sex?

>>13260 >Do you socialize? You know, I am something of a socialist myself. >Do you have sex? You have to save the white race somehow! Just kidding. Child support scares me

/fringe/ revival soundtrack: https://8tracks.com/the_cartographer/magic-moments

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>>13308 >I ultimately am not ready to let go of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc It is never easy to let go of world of warcraft. We sent this vid to every wow addict ever back then.

>>13304 >The negativity removal worked. The FG method for removing negative influence is one of the things that still does the job 20 years later. >>2966 (Cross-thread) If you don't know exactly what you're dealing with and don't have time or energy to divine it, just blasting it these two formulas with a general direction will work if you persist. I guess it could be like with Islam, it works because millions of people have used it for 20 years.

>>13310 >MMOs creates a new venue for socialization and makes people interact with a "magical world". That is a benefit. It makes people explore and try new things out. That is the selling point of wow. I am sure that is what you want to recreate that old feeling of the game. >The problem is; that instead of exploring new things IRL people will think that only world of warcraft has these things. Nothing is worth exploring outside of wow. I am sure you would rather level up a druid or a mage instead of trying to develop your own magic powers. I have to inject here that from my experience with Chinese p2w MMOs, people don't choose to play this with some other option available. The constant-online people I've met in are a few categories, where only very few could have spent their time more productively: >wheelchair bound cripples living on disability checks >people with serious mental or physical problems who also live on welfare or survive because they are rich or can live off streaming their gaming >housewives who don't work and just sit in a suburb all day >american teens whose parents pay for their gaming to keep them off the streets so they don't start doing drugs and get pregnant >parents who play with their kids to keep track of what they do online, creating family guilds where they also socialize with distant relatives and do homework etc All of these are valid reasons to play(remain logged in) an MMO all day. But these people alone won't make the game fun, so other players are needed. Not everyone will play all day every day. A variety of players with different levels of engagement creates an environment for the permanent onlines. It's making their lives better.

>>13276 >admin needs to be a gigawizard who can beat glowies and demons as fast as he can ban spammers Or just a Russian government employee like Silvia, the owner of Catchan. He's been around since early 8ch still alive and active. Current incarnation is absolute heresy in imageboard terms: must be logged in to post, must have account verified by admin to post images... but it stays up.

>>13277 I post with the sad frog flag already. Don't make me sadder. Just found the part on fringechan where they were talking about the Russian spammer fucking shit up and people saying that it must be a ploy to make us hate Russia. In 2017. Fuck, we knew it too well how things will go. >must be logged in to post, must have account verified by admin to post images No way fag. If it reaches this level of retardation then it's better if we post here or on 8kun or on endchan... >verified by admin This is why I avoided discord. Say one bad thing and the mod bans you. If I want to say controversial takes then I must make sure that the mod loves me... It is too time consuming! I do not want it play this game on imageboards. If I cannot call everyone a niggerfaggot then fuck posting on it.

>>13277 I know mods usually such but it wouldn't hurt if a fringechan had more than one or two people running the website and moderating it. Mossa and alpam ran the first fringe only site I knew of and tipp ran the second. Idk if they had mods or anything but if you just set images to need approval before they show up it can do alot with a few people. >>13280 Discord does such tbh, 99% of occult servers are lqbt mandatory acceptance and really surface level stuff. I think if a site makes the user initially create an account is ok, but to make an account it should be a proof of work function like how cock.li does for people wanting to open an email. Forces the computer itself to spend time solving an equation to create an account. That way it would stop mass account creation, if accounts have a activity requirement to meet or are auto pruned. It can still stay anonymous but helps prevent spam.

>>12986 >There is a reason why I said that people without internal monologue are scary And that reason is? Pls reply in tuplet thread.

>>12983 >He or she is trying to tell you to read something... I can't make out what. A book or a post? I still have my fantasy novel files even though I never finished it. At the time I was writing, I wrote some fantasy laws or advice that let's say that fantasy deity I invented dictated (maybe this helped with the forcing I dont know) I also wrote about the paracosm, places-kingdoms etc, culture, peoples and other things but I ended up focusing on that deity and then that happened. I left the hero's story behind because I don't know how to write anything but paracosm and it was the only thing I liked, I lost interest in the hero's journey. although it is a text that sounds humanizing to me well I had a horrible sadness and emptyness like a depression or something at that moment so no wonder I sought refuge in something that sounded nice and beautiful and wrote it down, something similar happened to me reading about buddha still it's sound cringe as fuck. >Also I don't think some entity or thing in my head wants me to read that again but sometimes I do, even though I don't want to erase or write anything new to the text.

https://archive.is/https://8ch.net/fringe/* Someone should archive this in case it gets taken down. Possibly on fringearchives.neocities.org internally not externally. Also I’m mad that “8ch.net/fringe/“ finally got taken down off archive.org

>>13097 A succubus wouldn't stay with you since she leaves once she has collected your energy. I'm aware of succubi using the internet to hunt for victims, but they're not parasites that attach to you.

Has my energy improved yet because of my recent practices/habits? I don’t feel comfortable sharing what they are yet before they become rigid habits because I am worried if I talk about them they’ll go away.

>>13265 It improved a little. Now you have a slim line of energy connecting you to some higher force. >>12660 Same picture, but the white line reaches the ceiling and your energy blobs have a somewhat different shape now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEkHf2lu0R4 Oh Lucifer, my light Your heart's been pierced And it bleeds in my night Lucifer, rise in my mind See all in splendor Perfection on the wind Down in the fires at night in my Mountain man Keep on brave Coming from the grave Oh children of darkness Shadows on the wall

>>12060 Is that tower from Oblivion?

>>12658 >Can someone please help interpret? >>12653 >This is the dream New Age interpretation: In a past life, you came from a faraway planet and incarnated on Mars. History was in its primitive state, and you were there until it developed a market economy. You got stuck in the "ditch" of the mainstream, and while suffering in your work there, you acquired a lot of fiat currency - the gums. Bubble gums are used to create bubbles, and they seem fun at first and taste good, but soon then become deflated and lose taste. At some point, a world government is formed, trying to enslave everyone to create a world-wide factory, turning everyone into slaves. But you use your monetary assets from within their own system to control the public. Your old friend, who may be your culture, heritage, fate, mission or history, bring you back to your senses from the depth of the market economy, and this is your motivating force allowing you to defeat the NWO on Mars. You then escape after uniting with your original culture again (and after this, you came to Earth).

This was a "dream" that felt like it lasted for about 5 days. I was stuck in some kind of dark monstrous realm that looked like this physical world in terms of infrastructure and such, but had a persistently dark oppressive atmosphere and was full of Undead and disturbing mutant creatures. Basically I spent the entire time wandering around trying to find somewhere safe, but on the rare chance I found an unoccupied building the monsters would inevitably show up soon enough. I don't remember ever having to eat, drink or sleep despite the length of time I spent there. There was no day/night cycle so I don't know how I know it was 5 days. It was a perpetual sickly dusk. Eventually I became so exhausted that I contemplated how I once had an existence which wasn't so bad, relative to that place. I thought about how I must've arrived there somehow, even though I couldn't remember. Somehow I deduced that the only possible escape is "dimension jumping" or "feeling is the secret" kind of shit. I sat down on the floor in a room which in hindsight seemed to partially resemble my room in the apartment we lived in when I was 12-13 years old and meditated with my eyes closed. It's difficult to describe what I did in words, but I remember starting out by visualizing what my regular life is like, and how bright everything seems in contrast to that dark place. Then I recognized that a part of me is already there, and I just have to make it the larger part of me rather than the smaller. I can remember the feeling of apprehending it and getting it closer and closer. I felt like I was done. I opened my eyes and then... I was still right where I started. Then after about a minute of disappointment it fucking worked and I "woke up" into a reality that was identical to my real physical life, although it must've been part of the dream too: Yet another example of that bizarre phenomenon where I wake up into real life repeatedly, although in this case there was only one layer between the core-dream and wakefulness. I know I dreamed more stuff after that, but I think it was unrelated. * When I did wake up into this physical reality I felt that intense melancholy and profound sadness. This happens almost every time I wake up now, which I think is because I'm becoming more aware of it. It can be about things that happened to me, things that happened to others, sometimes bittersweet memories of good things that feel tainted, or the general suffering of living things. This time it was in the third category. I was contemplating the time I went to some sort of amusement park when I was ~6 years old. At that age my self was still mostly intact, but I was already traumatized and mentally ill. I got to drive a Go-Kart, but shortly into my ride I got stuck somehow and it made me feel scared and confused, so I walked all the way back along the track. This memory makes me feel self-loathing and cringe. I could've had so much fun going fast, but I squandered something I would never have the opportunity to experience again. As usual, I would appreciate any insight or interpretation from adepts, or anyone more advanced than me. I suspect that experiences like the above are intended to teach me how to use certain abilities. * I wouldn't mention this but it came to me while writing this post. At some point (I can't remember when chronologically) I had a weird little dream segment where there was this light-skinned guy with a shaved head, a slightly strange shape and wearing dark clothes, right in front of me. I had either mistakenly assumed he was psychic in a particular way, or mistakenly assumed he wasn't. There was also a simultaneous visual of an old video game UI resembling that of Baldur's Gate 1, with several rectangular fields I assume were meant for text. The top one peeled off like a lottery card, but I either forgot or never saw what it revealed. I felt that this segment had to do with /fringe/ btw. Seems like most of it was raw energy but I can only describe what actually took form. Actually, quite a few of my dreams are mostly formless these days.

>>13257 >I would appreciate any insight or interpretation I shall tend to it then. >I was stuck in some kind of dark monstrous realm that looked like this physical world in terms of infrastructure and such, but had a persistently dark oppressive atmosphere and was full of Undead and disturbing mutant creatures Sounds like a karma dimension to me. Hard to explain what they are. I had dreams like this when I neared a breakthrough and my abilities decided to "Introduce themselves". Karma dimensions can be hell/purgatory or other spiritual realms while in other cases they can represent an activation of a complex meridian/energy circuit. Like how you have wet dreams when your sexual organs start up in your teens. I cannot say much because I can connect to the frequency you are describing and I fear that this is how you see your own life currently... I think this forces you to face this part of your existence and learn to "rise above" somehow. >Eventually I became so exhausted that I contemplated how I once had an existence which wasn't so bad, relative to that place That is good. It shows how your awareness is intact and you still see "hope" in this world. >I felt like I was done. I opened my eyes and then... I was still right where I started. Then after about a minute of disappointment it fucking worked Hard to explain the mechanics but to make a spell and many "consciousness jumps" "work" you need to "let go" which is quite similar to "giving up". There is a "lapse in consciousness" when the transfer happens. It is a slight "lag" in reality a little "blankness" between the frames of reality. That is when "the magic happens". As long as you are trapped with mundane ego/understanding you cannot "see it" because it "breaks the illusion". Like playing a videogame and accidentally opening up the debug screen and all the immersion is suddenly gone. "Continuity" is a requirement for the unawakened. The mind craves it or it goes insane. >When I did wake up into this physical reality I felt that intense melancholy and profound sadness >>13116 (Cross-thread) >That "melancholy" I mentioned. Your soul has an absolutely deep emotional depth. I cannot even perceive it. The moment I look my eyes tear up. Not sadness nor joy. It is something else. Like an emancipation that you see after seeing your entire world burn or I don't know. It is something beyond my current abilities. You probably read this already. I have bad news. That profound sadness and melancholy you felt was still not the "true depth" of your soul energies. It has some emancipating and refreshing feel. I don't know how you will find it or perceive it. I mean... Whenever you talk about your life it is clear that it sucks, but somehow you are taking it like a champ? Maybe you got used to it already but it's not "normal". Most people either give up or get angry. They either fall into despair or get angry enough to start doing something with their life I am the angry type. I reforge my path when life just doesn't work out. Currently I am refining this ability. That is why I am posting less >This happens almost every time I wake up now, which I think is because I'm becoming more aware of it

>>11053 yod is 10 in gematria? 1+1+5+3=10 >The descent of the spirit by Gustave Dore https://www.fulltable.com/vts/aoi/d/dore/Bible/b.htm >And they were all filed with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.... (Acts 2: 4) >also same dude did the second paint.

>>13108 So the flame represents the Holy Spirit?

>>13221 >So the flame represents the Holy Spirit? In Christian art, yeah maybe. in saturnian sense, saturn. i dont'lnow Inner fire thing related maybe

>>13209 >So this is the power of voice acting?! >I haven't experienced that before, letting Aoi Yuki pull the entire show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1iIST_cNg She was always force of nature

>>13247 (Cross-thread) Typical. Right after I made these posts, I see this online.

ADOLF HITLER SIEG HEIL! KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL GERMAN VICTORY IS ASSURED!

>>13077 The crux of the issue is that artists self value is inflated compared to how other people value artists. The reason artisans get paid in capitalist japan is because the japanese themselves value artisanal skill and will pay more for products made the traditional way. It's still capitalism cause no one is making them buy it but they want to. It's cultural. Now artists,partly and maybe largely because of artists themselves have really deflated and diluted their value in the eyes of modern people even way before ai art. A lot of it was the idea that you cant even tell what is art or not and it is all what you make it. This means everything is art making it have little value if taken seriously. Someone smearing shit on a wall is now just as much art as michelangelo or a skilled painter of any kind.Art had already been devalued to its lowest point it can go in the eyes of most people. All of this of course done by artist who wanted to be able to sell whatever,no matter how skilled they are or how little effort they put in a piece. By separating art from skill or talent they have made their job way easier. All they have to do now is find a market and they can sell anything.It shifted art away from needing to have a skill,now all you need is the "ability to tell a story" which favors the salesmen. Art used to be about mostly skill with also needing to find customers. But now the story is all it is, skill is secondary if even that. If anything skilled people get looked down upon for being "boring".Art itself became just a circlejerk that had nothing to do with aesthetics. It's also been a way to signify being better or elite in some way.Aesthetics is for mere peasants, we get the real intent behind this piece...It's not that you don't like it, it's that you didn't "get it". Don't worry your little peasant head about it and just look at the paint splatters.leave the interpretation to us artistic gentlemen. Now here is the issue though,since people were steered into thinking that art is what you make it that means everything,including ai made art, is art. However now suddenly art has to be made "with human hands" for some reason. They've already given up all the other standards they can be judged by so they scramble to find another reason why they should be valued/or getting paid which is what this is about.Since they already gave up any aesthetic or skill value,where most of them lose skill wise to ai anyway, they need to create this new thing they have that ai doesn't.Something that justifies them being better. That's why now art is defined as an expression of HUMAN intent. Before, that part was never stressed as much. Artist have a set of human hands, that's why you should pay them. Its perfect as ai cant "win" this AND they don't have to do anything or meet any standard other than being alive. All i see is inflated people having a reality check. Especially since they all loved ai when it was about making blue collar jobs vanish.

>>13078 Sad thing is, i agree art is meant to have human soul. It's just sad that the people(artist community) who has been stomping on that very idea to inflate themselves is the ones making that argument now, out of petty self interest no less.They wouldn't give a fuck if it didn't hurt their ego. Or more importantly, their cashflow.

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>>13211 (Cross-thread) css assets are on /res/, banners in the banner thread, flags you can just right click & save.

>>13216 https://endchan.net/fringe/res/66.html flags

Spiritual attacks What are spiritual attacks? This question is brought up on this board, but it rarely leads to any good answers. I will here explain my understanding based on Falun Dafa, the theory behind the Falun Gong movement, which during the effective years was almost entirely focused on defence against spiritual attacks. In Zhuan Falun is explained that a person has karma, which is a black energy mass. A person also has virtue, which is a white energy mass. Virtue and Karma are the terms De 德 and Ye 業, same "De" as in as in Dao De Ying 道德經. The word Ye appears in the Chinese word for homework 作業 (zuòyè). During your life, or during a previous life, you created karma by doing things which harm other people, animals or plants. Anything which is alive counts, so even living a normal life or being a vegan, you still harm plants by eating them. This creates karma, and it appears as a field around your body. This black field will serve as an environment where negative spirits can reside, so they get in there and just sit there. From that position they can manipulate your body which is connected to the black energy mass, and this causes illness. Then can also penetrate your brain and manipulate your thinking. This is spirit possession, in common terminology. Exorcism removes the evil spirit, but it doesn't remove the black mass of energy, so a while later, a new evil spirit will get in and you'll be ill or possessed again. The karma which appears will have different nature depending on who was harmed. If killing small animals, you'd consequently face evil spirits associated with small animals. If harming another human, it will be more complex. Because everyone had karma, evil spirits will see the link between two people, and use it to influence them. So when there is a black string of karma from one person having harmed another, these spirits will make the person hate the one who wronged them, and causing them to retaliate. The person who was now retaliated against, will not see that this was caused by evil spirits and the karmic bond, but will retaliate against the retaliation, which creates karma for the other person instead. The perpetrator is now the victim. This causes cycles of conflict which may escalate into war between groups and even nations. If no one realizes that they need to stop, it will spiral into the destruction of empires and keep happening until all infrastructure has been destroyed. After this happens, people cannot retaliate anymore, and the evil spirits become unable to create more conflicts.

>>13165 Virtue In personal cultivation, we need De 德, virtue, the white energy mass. This energy is transformed into Gong, which is high density energy with its own intelligence. This energy may manifest as servitors of the cultivator, which act on their own. It is explained in ZF that highly cultivated people will have Fashen, which is a projected form appearing in their own image, but is made entirely from Gong, carrying out the tasks which the person want done. Because Gong is concentrate virtue, these servitors always do good things. When you call for a deity for help, it's most likely that you do not interact with them directly, because they are busy with all followers. Rather, it's a Fashen, a projected representation of their virtue, which appears. When consecrating statues for use in temples, a Fashen of a buddha or deity will be called to sit on the statue. This makes it possible to interact with the statue as if it was the deity themself. Without proper consecration, the statue will amass whatever energy is projected at it, and this is likely to be negative energy, this is why people are told in the bible to not pray to statues. Abrahamic religion does not have a method for consecrating statues or images, so they have this rule instead. Christians use icons, images, but in Islam those are considered equally dangerous.

>>13166 Stopping spiritual attacks When experiencing conflicts with other people, you need to recognize that humans per nature are friendly and cooperative, they are not hostile. The hostility is caused by influence from evil spirits. These evil spirits are present because there is a black energy mass around the person. If you do not have this yourself, you are like a deity, and no one will be able to criticise you, because evil spirits cannot touch you. This is in theory, in reality, such a person cannot live in human society, because it would cause human society to dissolve. It would make the world into a paradise, and anyone with a black mass of karma would be ejected from the world. They would then end up in another plane of existence, and this would become the new human world. Because humans are not deities, they are in the middle ground, being able to move up or down. So as a human, you are always at the risk of being exposed to spiritual attacks. The other state of being means you have ascended and are not among humans anymore. The conflicts caused by evil spirits can become very complex. Often, a person may have harmed or killed another human in a past life. But this human was also evil, and after dying this person is now in hell. However, the incarnated person has debt to them, and in hell there are various negative beings who take advantage of this. Like a debt collector, they will offer the person in hell: "You may be in hell because of your sins, but I can make your existence easier for you by collecting the debt this person - who is now incarnated as human again - has to you. I'll take 50%, but at least you get back at them. Ok?" So the person who is in hell will then make a deal with a negative being, who will then appear at the gates of the human world with this debt note, demanding that the incarnated human pay. The deities protecting the world cannot stop this, because the note is legal. So the negative being from hell is allowed to come into the world and arrange for ways to retaliate against the person who has the debt. This also causes evil spirits to create problems for the person, and the source seems to be an infernal demon and a mass of evil spirits. Fighting back against the evil spirits is allowed, because they are evil, but the demon holding the note cannot be attacked, they are allowed to collect the debt. When humans create religions to defend themselves against manipulation by evil spirits, they do not discern who sent them, or why, or if they are just naturally resident evil spirits. All of them are blocked. This prevents the repayment of their debts. For Christians for example, they have methods for this where they do charity and try to do good deeds, which may through some turn of events repay the debt. Maybe the demon debt collector will appear as a dirty beggar asking for money. If you give him money, the debt is then settled, and the demon will go back to hell and pass the agreed upon share to the creditor. This is an established set-up, so through an unholy alliance between religion and hell, debts can be repaid by giving charity. Escalating conflicts However, a lot of people do not follow the agreed upon method by giving to the poor. They use political means to instead demand that everyone pay taxes, claiming this is to the handled by the government. The government will then give charity for them. But this is not done by them personally, and the connection is weak. The charity given is then mass distributed to people based on laws, with no regard for if these people have any karmic bond to the taxpayers. So giving charity by paying taxes has little effect. The demons who came into the world to collect the debts may then be approached by strong evil spirits, who will offer to break down this mass distribution system, so the debts can be collected. Because they have no other way to do this, they may accept. But the evil spirits have a will of their own, and they act politically. Some of them may even come up with this set-up: they intentionally degrade religion so that no one gives to the poor, installs a tax system instead, manipulating people to follow this, which further blocks repayment. Then they offer to collect the debts, charging some % of it for themselves. This may create an "aristocracy" of evil spirits who work politically to benefit from conflicts between humans.

>>12520 (OP) >wicker man/cloth-doll with paper wishes my mother told me that where she was born, on the night of san juan the typical parties just flow as the catholic and popular say but with the inclusion of craft of a big wicker man with rags that is crafted by children and teenagers with the help of adults. they are doing it all day long, at the end they put many papers inside the doll with personal wishes written on each paper and at the end they set it on fire. It's strange but after reading about sigils and magic of chaos magic, I realize that they used to do these practices before. the community wicker doll look like a massive community hypersigil to me. and yes, my mother likes to burn things. they no longer do it here but I know that in some remote villages far from urban life and with more sense of community I'm sure they still do them.

>>12520 (OP) >the (holy?) church bells in my city there is an old church and its bells have the same antiquity. i know the priest allows some people to go up and stand near or inside the bells while these emit their sounds. the curious thing is they told me stories that the vibrations that the bells do are therapeutic almost as if they take away your ills and make you sleep more good. i never tried it but i admit that listening to them from afar is pleasant like is a holy thing, i dont know how these thing feel when you're to close, and i am not catholic to know it. maybe there's a psychological phenomena to turn the body feel good just by the bells sound, i dont know. I heard a rumor there that that one day people took a possessed man to the bells to exorcise him with holy sound or something I don't believe in that story but I see some sense in it seeing how nice the bells sound.

>>12520 (OP) >Psy connection exercise a quick way to develop a psychic connection with someone is to let them look in their eyes mutually for more than 8 minutes without distractions. Inevitably they will have psychosomatic and psychonautic effects caused by this, such as their face becoming older, their face becoming deformed, or seeing a shadow behind them, or the person disappearing or allucinations among other things that I will not tell you about so i will not suggest you. of course these are effects of an altered state of consciousness. the first common effects are the feeling of imminent doom and insecurity, other times it is the desire for violence or escape from that place, aggressiveness, panic, paranoid feelings etc. and in other cases if the situation do it, sexual attraction or falling in love as an temporal infatuation (very normal) the effects are non-linear and depend on a variety of things but the effects of altered states of consciousness do occur. >but why psy connection? the thing is that I heard that people after doing this exercise can read the mind of the other person or even feel sensations of what other people are feeling for some time like good feelings, danger or pain in the body. this apparently is mutual around the two people but abysmally exhausting for the mind, the effect goes after a while of executing the exercise and apparently does not occur in all people so it takes two very specific types of certain people with certain characteristics to this happen. I don't know if between people who love each other or have some kind of romantic attraction it is much more likely to happen. Maybe this's the final secret of the illuminati?

>>13106 (OP) Don't writers of fiction also do this? They insert parts of themselves into the characters and effect the world. I've created multiple personas which I use online whenever I post something. Some people have social media with their own name and face, but they create a fake image of themselves as happy and successful, hoping it will become real. I started practicing this in Chinese MMOs, where I played different characters with more or less of myself represented, or more correctly, I played out different parts of myself to see how I'd act as that character. Some part of this came from having to assume the guild leader role and realizing people expect a certain act from a guild leader, so I created a persona for this role. But it was a bit restricted, so I came up with other characters as well. The game I played ended up being mostly ruled by a number of women with a lot of free time, like housewives and a few lesbian couples who played opposite sex characters ingame because the marriage system was traditional. It created a strange dynamic. I decided to create a lesbian persona with a female character to play with on the side, and found that it was possible to connect with other players in completely new ways. There was also someone who was the funniest player I've ever met anywhere, but when I at some point added her on FB, she turned out being close to seeming legit retarded. But this was completely invisible ingame where she was very attentive and always taking part in events or joining up for party dungeons. All of this showed me just how much you can change the parameters of your own irl persona to remain yourself, but still act as someone else. This way, you can through the social interaction learn to develop the hidden sides of yourself. One of the first times I did this was when I was 15 and was going someplace, and I was worried about how to do things. Then I suddenly had the idea >if this was Final Fantasy 7, what would Cloud have done? So I assumed the role of Cloud and suddenly had endless confidence in myself, and everything worked out fine. That was the moment I really realized that roleplay using fiction is very powerful. You also don't have to tell anyone you are now Cloud from FF7, it works anyway, like an invisible magic power.

>>13111 Here's a thought I just had; if the story with the self-insert isn't written with the intention of the story being a sigil, then how are the energies directed to affect the guy that the self-insert is of in real life? I think the answer would have to be related to egregores. The intention required to create a sigil is absent, but is essentially provided by the programming of the egregoric energies, even if the story's only actual intended purpose is to entertain the readerbase.

>>13117 Its an interesting thought, but again this is a bit different as far as I can tell. Like the other poster said it may be more akin to sympathetic magic, in that he drew this character that was basically a version of himself that he wished to become more like, then he went and became more like the character, but got also into the same kinda trouble as the character did in the narrative. He realized that and made the character gain riches and get girlfriends and then upon releasing that for the public it happened, the author got rich and got girlfriends, since there was this apparent sympathetic connection between the character in the narrative and the author himself. A hypersigil works as a narrative and some form of sympathetic connection between real life physical things/persons and the things/characters in the narrative. I think this may also work with like if you have a friend and you make a narrative about him becoming rich, if its a proper hypersigil he will become rich in the real life physical reality as well. Sigils are a bit different from hypersigils. A sigil is more like a one shot to try to hit something in the dark. A hypersigil is more elaborate, it can link between multiple things and sort of loop in on itself kinda like programming code. Egregores can play into it too, I just hadn't thought of that side of it much before.

>>11237 The place appears to be a pre-existing egregore which represents some form of public space, it's just secluded under normal circumstances. I tried going there when it wasn't officially open, and found a thick darkness in the hotel lobby. Forcing my way in, I found that the bar was still available by the far end, along with a bar maid. OP from the thread only created the hotel lobby as a connection point, so if you're persistent you can go there even when he hasn't posted an invite. After some work on this, I wanted to try if it's possible to create a new connection point, so I did some work on this. Same location, but it's just the bar that's open. I'll go for the time slot of 6PM to 2AM, adapted to your own time zone, and not restricted to being asleep, but going into trance should also work. I'll go for the name Midnight Morsel in the context of this thread. The procedure should be similar, but not restricted to anything in specific, as the place is public and I just added a way for contact here.

Assume there exists a force which prevents publicly verifiable exercise of magic. This would make verifying magic difficult. However, assume this force, Consensus, is limited and we can do local operations without its knowledge or interference. If the demonstration is to extract information that should not be known at the time, we can use cryptography to make the task of Consensus more difficult. What we want is a cryptographic commitment scheme. This is a way to verifiably commit to a message without revealing any information about that message. Later, the message and a particular witness value, which together verify that the commitment was created for that message only, can be revealed. A simple commitment scheme can be implemented with a cryptographic hash function. The commitment is the hash of the message along with a random nonce which will be the witness. Given the message and witness, the commitment can be verified by recomputing the hash and comparing. The simplest way to do this on a computer is to write the message to a text file. Then add a long keymash or hardware generated randomness to the end of the file. This will be the nonce. Use a tool like sha256sum to hash the file, and publish the hash as the commitment. To reveal, simply publish the file containing both the message and nonce. Assuming the computer on which this is done is not visible to Consensus, this likely reveals exactly zero information about the content of the message if the nonce is long and random enough. Even if Consensus has unlimited effective computing power, inverting the hash function still leaves all messages equally probable if the nonce is truly random. It is possible that there exist messages and commitments for which no witness exists (even for a computationally unlimited adversary - given known public computational capacity there may only be a witness if the commitment was of that message). In that case the hash function would leak a small amount of information with a low probability. So if you are paranoid you may prefer schemes like c = H(n3||H(n1||m||n2)||n4). Unfortunately, this requires having a computer protected from inspection by Consensus. If this cannot be done are there other simpler schemes which can be implemented mentally? A multi-party scheme perhaps?

>>13080 I don't think Consensus cares about the hashed message being separated from the key, as it could just apply them and see it. I recall watching a vid which explained the double slit experiment's observer effect on the result, where they used a technical system with randomization to determine if the specific burst of particles would be recorded on a tape or not, for later observation by a researcher, or something. I'm bad at explaining this. The point was that the projected image "knew" which of the particle bursts were being recorded and which ones weren't, indicating that it's a "system" which disregards time -even if no one watched it in real time, the intent to observe via the recording was enough to change the outcome. However, as magic is possible to use in ways which breaks consensus, there is then something in the abstract concept awareness of the brain which is "unsolvable" by Consensus, to use your wording. It means the intent to observe cannot be derived from the procedure, and it remains in the state where we can't know if Schrödinger's cat is alive or dead. That's where magic is effective.