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/liberty/ media Anonymous 03/11/2020 (Wed) 12:54:55 Id: 23ee38 No. 2069

As I don´t see any thread like this. I would like to started this so we can share entertainment products that we think has libertarian messages.
The example that comes up to my mind right now is the original Deus Ex
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Pic related. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which describes a hypothetical polycentric legal system and a libertarian rebellion by a lunar colony against rule from Earth. Hotline Miami for commie killing, and a great retro soundtrack and aesthetic. Red Dawn.
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>>2070
How the same man who made Starship Troopers (which can fit in both >>/fascist/ and here) and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress could have support in that time socialist movements in Commiefornia?
>>2071
Read Stranger in a Strange Land and you might understand why, that and the polygamy in Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Heinlein was sympathetic to the polyamorous brand of degeneracy, so leftists can find things to like about him.
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>>2069
Deus Ex is a prophetic redpilled masterpiece, everything that you see in the game from 9/11 to man-made Chinese viruses to fucking soy of all things are coming true. The third game had an almost SJW-tier story about MUH INEQUALITY and MUH EVUL CORPORASHUNS instead of the based shit that the first game was about. Also, Elon Musk mentioned that he really liked the first game, and I realized that he is literally trying to achieve the Helios ending irl by merging with AI because stopping AI isn't possible and the next best thing you can do is to try and join with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySTeVlfX8M
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MGS2 is another based and redpilled masterpiece. You play as a government pawn tasked with infiltrating a kind of seastead (actually an oil cleanup platform) to stop libertarians from hijacking nukes and giant robots which they plan to use against the deep state.

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>>2073
I don´t know, I like Human Revolution despite having a fair share of problems (artstyle incoherent with the timeline it´s supposed to be setted, horrible bosses and repeating the same crap of choose-an-ending just at the final moment of the game, whatever shit you do before that it doesn´t matter at all that the first one did, etc.), I find it a fine game that can fit here even despite all At least in Human Revolution they let us choose between an Anarcho-Transhumanism ending and a Anarcho-Primitivism instead of only Anarcho-Primitivism like in the first one. Mankind Divided, however, I didn´t even played it, but from what I hear it´s really bad and falling in the idiocy of comparing the conflicts between augmented people and normal people with muh racism.
Also:
>IA is instoppable.
>Basing that thesis out of the game which we can stop that IA by only pressing 3 buttons.
>>2075
I know that Kojima was always a hack and that Fukusima and the other writters were the ones who put all that truth bullets in MGS2 and the other ones up until they left. But weren´t they also advocating for basically (((one world goverment))) in MGS3 with The Boss as their mouthpiece and martyr? Also they potrayed the libertarian characters Solidus (who did basically nothing wrong and as crazy warmonguers who must be stopped by our playable characters (characters which are basically all ZOGbots during the MG games that deserved to be played)?

Metal Gear 1 has you come to the conclusion that the people telling you what to do are trying to kill you for being too successful at your job therefore
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>>2077
>comparing the conflicts between augmented people and normal people with muh racism.
Yes, that's what I really hate about the third game, I only played it about halfway to be fair, but it seemed like it was just about identity politics mixed in with some 2deep4u left-libertarian narratives and spooky words like "illuminati" thrown in here for the sake of tradition, instead of the wacky Alex Jones-tier right-libertarian redpills from the first game, but I can tolerate everything else about the game.

>But weren´t they also advocating for basically
I don't know, I didn't really notice that, but it's been a long time since I last played it.

>Also they potrayed the libertarian characters Solidus (who did basically nothing wrong and
I don't see this as a bad thing, personally. The story respects your intelligence enough to not tell you who the good or bad guys are, and it leaves it up to you to decide whether you did the right thing or not in the end, and it might even make for more effective and subtle libertarian propaganda than blatantly making some generic good guy libertarian playable character who defeats some strawman statist villain and saves the day. If you play as a ZOGbot puppet who clearly does the wrong thing, I think there could be some emotional impact there, and the libertarian villain's position will have to be steelmanned because the best villains are those you can sympathize with, and it really is much easier to sympathize with Solidus than the protagonists in MGS2 who didn't really know what they were doing and just came up with silly excuses like "muh hostages", "muh president", "muh terrorism", "muh environment disaster", "muh Olga's child which are all things that the player has no real reason to be invested in compared to the Solidus' lofty goals.

I think this is also why dystopian fiction like 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World, etc... are so bad at warning people about dystopian scenarios, because the villains are steelmanned to look cool, but the authors never made a good case for why their protagonists must oppose them besides implying that it's obviously bad, and it ends up as a good manual for governments to use, especially since the author did the heavy lifting of figuring out how the antagonists in these novels would crush any attempts of the good guys defeating them, but in stories like MGS2 it's the opposite.

>>2078
I agree.
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>>2080
>Third game.
>Doesn´t know about Invisible War.
To be fair, from what I watched in a playthrough, it isn´t very good, they dumbed down the gameplay even more than Human Revolution, the setting all the three endings of the original combined is messy and they introduced some eeeh elements in the story. Even with all that seems better than Mankind Divided.
Fair point in Metal Gear though, perhaps the part that bugs me is that just when it seems that our ZOGbot protagonist seems to be rebeling against their programming and things get more interesting , we got MGS4:The Movie, MGS: Peace and slog Walker and Kojima V Konami: Dawnfall of Metal Gear.

I know it's by
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>>2085
>Invisible War
I just laugh at it and assume it's fan-fiction.

>we got MGS4:The Movie, MGS: Peace and slog Walker and Kojima V Konami: Dawnfall of Metal Gear.
idk about the other games, but MGS4 was really disappointing when I first played it when I was 16 and I thought it's maybe because it was too high IQ for me back then or something. The main characters did succeed in defeating the patriots by the end of the game though, as far as far I remember.
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>>2093
Yeah,they defeat them, but I would rather they do that in a good and fun game instead of the over-extended, bad-narrated, retcon gallore with some very ocasional midly fun stealth scenes, boring bosses and scripted scenes that was MGS4. Heck, I could have tolerated all the faggotry from that "game" if it was really the end of the saga (I wasn´t a fan of the cliffhanger ending they proposed to certain point for MGS and MGS2), but the dumpsters fires that came after that prove me that Kojima was only a hack who got lucky to have actual talented people to help him with "his" good games and ignore anything made by him. It seems I was correct about him, Death Stranding seems like a glorified over-budgeted walking simulator and, with what I know, some message about (((bridges, not walls))) and boomer-tier ranting about social media, which put me off even more from ever watching it.
>>2095
>some message about
Damn, that sucks.
>>2085
DE:IW game play took a hit, but some of the side stories are humorous. Such as the two competing world-wide coffee chains that are secretly owned by the same entity and use rivalry to drive public interest. Or the music personality "NG-Resonance" that's marketed as bubbly and friendly, but is a raging bitch when you meet her in person.
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Bumping this thread. Even if I know that Clint Eastwood enters in the lolbertarian spectrum, he starred in various movies that could enter here like the Dollar´s Trilogy (though basically any western could fit here by setting alone) or Kelly´s Heroes (or like I like to call it: "Fuck being a ZOGbot, I´m out of this war and taking economical reparations for all disturbances by myself").
It´s a Wonderful Life can get here also for being the history of a man having a good life with his honest and fair business until a
>>2154
Never figured It's a Wonderful Life was libertarian.
>>2077
The plot of Mankind Divided is pants on head retarded and pozzed to shit. Gameplay wise though it's like HR but improved in every way. If you liked HR, it's worth a playthough just get ready for some tumblr lever cringe
>>2174
Yeah, gameplay wise seems cool, bit only because of how hard they fuck up the storyline discourage me from ever play it in any way.
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Just remembered this one.

>>2495
So that's where holo comes from.

Sorry if this sounds cringy but would Scrooge McDuck count as an ancap character?
>>2498
Yes, all that holofaggotry was because of this anime.

>>2515
kek

>greedy
>rich
>only ever thinks about money
Yup, /ancap/ af
>>2515
>>2516
More importantly he heavily defends his property to the point that he violently physically removes tax collectors from his door and at one point put his vault on tracks in order to avoid property taxes.
>>2516
That means we, >>/liberty/, were the jews all along?
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>>2532
Don't hurt Aurelia, filthy kike!
>>2070 Asimov's Elijah Bailey (robot) series and part of the Foundation trilogy is also pretty ancap. I forget which Foundation book it happens in, but the Foundation turns into a a massive trading guild for a period of time. They use their monopoly on advanced technology to get low-tech kingdoms dependent on the Foundation and then use that dependence to take them over.
The robot series presents the Spacers as a free society where technological development isn't hamstrung by the government and people are freely allowed to pursue their wacky transhumanist goals. The Spacers sharply contrast with the dirty earthlings who are kept in perpetual servitude by their oppressive government which is ostensibly protecting them.

Foundation trilogy definitely had an ancap bit in it, but the two subsequent books somewhat undid it when the quasi-socialist vegan hivemind was selected to be the future for the galaxy.
I thought Serenity was pretty good in terms of being libertarian. It has a good message against social engineering. It's surprisingly very libertarian despite the director being a liberal cuck.
>>2075 Came here just to talk about MGS2. It's a game that I thought nothing of when I first got it, but now nearly a decade or two later, it's my favorite. >>2080 >it really is much easier to sympathize with Solidus than the protagonists in MGS2 When I play MGS2, I purposefully lose against Solidus, and at the game over screen, I shut off the console. I make sure Solidus wins at the point Jack realizes his plans. I like that "ending" so much more, because you really do become free at that point. You really are no longer a pawn, and are no longer part of the simulation. There's no cutscene for that ending, but there is a feeling of power and liberation when you shut off the console that becomes so much better than any simple cutscene could be. Now that I'm typing this and rereading it, I guess it sounds kind of cringy, but whatever.
These guys seem pretty cool: http://lfs.org/
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Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na!
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>>3375 kek, thanks for reminding me about Don't Tread on Eizouken. Kanamori is a big troll and an ancap-tier waifu.
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>>2072 >Heinlein was sympathetic to the polyamorous brand of degeneracy And cannibalism
>>3420 Was he actually sympathetic to it or was it just something that occurred a few times in his books? I know how you niggas like to accuse other libertarians of all sorts of crazy shit.
If you haven't read or watched Youjo Senki, you're missing out!
>>4135 This is hella interesting, but I know she's a caricature that's meant to completely strawman "Capitalism==Bad", and the author is going to make her die like Kira in the end.
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Surprised nobody's mentioned Illuminatus yet. From a time when Libertarianism was edgy and counterculture, so maybe it just doesn't have the same appeal these days, but I think it holds up.
>>4139 Actually those claims about the author being a commie were false. Apparently it was a troll account on twitter impersonating the author. The real author is allegedly a classical liberal.
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>>4142 It strikes me as being so similar to Death Note. I don't know if it's true, but I recall hearing this story of how after the end of the 1st half of the series, the author started to become appalled at how many people viewed Kira as "The Good Guy", and made the 2nd half purely to drive his morality home. The only other time I've seen any other libertarian themes in Japanese media, it's as a supervillain; e.g., The Sons of Liberty in MGS2. And with a character named fucking "Mary Sue", how couldn't you construe that as the self-insert that's eventually going to kill Tanya? When she does kill Tanya, she's going to have this massive monologue about how it's good to be subservient, freedom is bad, and Capitalism is bad, and all the violence is a direct consequence of the market. Then every anime reviewer is going to give the show a 10/10. I feel like I can see this shit coming from a mile away.
>>4144 I don't know how much you've seen or read about Youjo Senki, but there isn't a single shred of positive light on communism throughout the entire series. It is sort of implied that Tanya isn't exactly a "good" person, but that's part of the point of it. There are no clear "good guys" in the series, but the story does at least make you root for Tanya, so, I don't think it's going to have that ending that you think it will. Mary Sue's name isn't meant to imply that she's the good character. The author confirmed it was merely chosen a joke. >The only other time I've seen any other libertarian themes in Japanese media, it's as a supervillain I don't think many Japanese people know what libertarianism is, but I can tell you a lot of anime I've watched have a libertarian undertone, whether intentional or not. Japanese writers tend to have a love for freedom and love making stories about a character overcoming some government or something that's holding them back. Examples: Gurren Lagann, Attack On Titan, and Code Geass. And there are many more!
>>2532 Yes The only reason why /pol/ hates Jews is because they are jealous of their success
No one mentioned [C]:Control yet?
This is now the most popular piece of ancap media with a million views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFBjY_Kj2ko
>>4446 >Expect some shitty low quality hip-hop >Actually just decent but nothing-special metal. Pleasantly surprised.
>>2069 >Deus Ex Best ending.mp4 I clicked it and was not disappointed. Well done, anon.
>>2077 Yeah, the original Deus Ex is a complete symphony of beauty, intelligence and relevant commentary, where as HR and MD are generic shit written by 12 year olds wrapped in an admittedly visually appealing setting.
>>4443 I'm watching some of his videos and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM67GxPjg9E CONSPIRACY: Government Doesn't Exist this guy is based & redpilled af Also, I don't see anyone mentioning Kelthuz, he's a popular /liberty/ meme in Poland and some of the stuff he has created is in English for you non-Polacks out there. Here's a song by him about a somewhat popular Hoppean meme of Physical Removal ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedkBm3Ud3Q
There Will Be Blood has some good free market fun. It's about an oil prospector who's pretty ruthless and the author doesn't screw him over with fake karma. At one point some oil barons try to force the protag to sell his wells to them because they own the trains and stop him from transporting the oil. Protagonist tells them off and builds his own pipeline instead. Last Christmas is a modern romcom with a bit of pozz. But the central story is about a broken, lazy and promiscuous person discovering how to fix themselves through hard work, monogamous romance, and reconnecting with the family. It's a very principled story.
>>4447 There's also this ska punk banned called The Interrupters that's moderately popular. I'm not sure if they're full on ancaps, but they are definitely libertarian. The singer (Aimee Allen) made the official song for Ron Paul's 2008 campaign: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9xzv7 and here's a cool song by them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Ol-YDS4Jc
>>4444 Jews are 'successful' because they are anything but libertarian. Jews, like arabs, are natural slavers. If slavery is 'libertarian' lol
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>spooky words like "illuminati" The illuminati are the eye above the pyramid, above the 33 degree Masons. The illuminati are comprised of Luciferians. Satanists are simply the dark to luciferian 'light.' All this is derived YHVH the schizo Jewish god identified by the Romans as Saturn, the old and form patriarch, the hooded god. The goat demon bahomet representing 'satanism' is a Saytr (look it up). The cult(s) of Saturn rule this earth at present.
>>4504 The illuminati plan to manifest their god (the demiurge) through mastering AI technology.
>>4505 The Illuminati is the 'light' face of the Synagogue of Satan (S0S). The sooner you realise the S0S exists and controls the dominating majority of global finance-media, the sooner you stop being a fool.
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>>4506 The Borg is a good example of what the S0S seeks.
>>4503 There are no natural slavers anon, I don't know of a group of people that hasn't engaged in slavery in history. That being said jewish thought still influenced libertarianism a lot, so to completely dismiss them is unfair in my opinion. Don't get me wrong there is a SHIT TON of things that Jews need to be criticised for. But their contributions aren't black and white.
The US is a police state now. Americans should be out in the streets with pitchforks and torches, but instead they would rather shut up, cover their ears, and put their heads in the sand. Weird.


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