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日本語学習スレッド (Japanese Learning Thread) Anonymous 03/31/2023 (Fri) 03:29:35 No. 2981 >>2984 >>3637
Step 0. Resource Acquisition Go here to get Anki, a flash card program: http://ankisrs.net/ Here are some suggested decks: Core2k/6k: https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU KanjiDamage: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/748570187 Kana: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1632090287 Tae Kim's grammar: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/242060646 Other Resources RealKana: http://realkana.com/ (alternate version) https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html Click the column of characters you want to study and type the corresponding romaji into the box as they appear Kana Invaders: https://learnjapanesepod.com/kana-invaders/ Space Invaders/Galaga style clone. Type the romaji to shoot the kana alien KanjiVG: http://kanji.sljfaq.org/kanjivg.html Simply plug the character in and instantly get a stroke order diagram Forvo.com: http://ja.forvo.com/ Type in a word or phrase to hear a native speaker's pronunciation Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/ Great introduction to Nipponese, you can start here to learn basic grammar and vocabulary KanjiDamage: http://www.kanjidamage.com/ Learn Kanji by using mnemonics and radicals Mainichi browser extension: http://mainichi.me/ Learn a new vocabulary word every time you open a new tab JapaneseClass: http://japaneseclass.jp/ Learn Nipponese by playing games (requires registration) DJT Guide: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/ [YOUTUBE VIDEOS] JapanesePod101: https://y.com.sb/channel/UC0ox9NuTHYeRys63yZpBFuA/videos https://veoh.com/users/JapanesePod101 https://www.dailymotion.com/JapanesePod101 Namasensei: https://y.com.sb/watch?v=nqJ5wU4FamA&list=PL9987A659670D60E0 https://veoh.com/find/Namasensei JapaneseVideocast: https://y.com.sb/playlist?list=PLX6kjDZDLD_dNyrkdvTRKVKIJRo4g7xFD Gonna leave these here for those that belieb https://y.com.sb/watch?v=TKg23ZFURX0
[Expand Post]https://y.com.sb/watch?v=vJG9kpqTRmU The Guy with mega of japanese dub movies Use the decoder below to get the link & key. YUhSMGNITTZMeTl0WldkaExtNTZMMlp2YkdSbGNpOVpjekI1VWtGdlF3PT0= X1FrMmpJaVQ0aXpZVGhYS241UGNMUQ== The unironic links guy For beginner/early level: https://y.com.sb/channel/UCXo8kuCtqLjL1EH6m4FJJNA For more intermediate levels: https://y.com.sb/channel/UCh-GhnQ7qDQmS6Bz3pGc1Mw https://y.com.sb/channel/UCVx6RFaEAg46xfAsD2zz16w https://y.com.sb/channel/UCcCeJ3pQYFgvfVuMxVRWhoA
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>>2981 (OP) Learning is suffering
>>2984 I gave up on this after doing it for a few months. I will be hurting myself again soon though as I really want to be able to read moonrunes for vidya. Hopefully attempt 2 has more staying power.
>>3063 Why I've found to be a decent motivator is placing a solid goal on what I want to do with a time limit to accomplish it. For example, one of my goals for learning Japanese this year is to pass the N3 test that will be held in December.
>>3064 n tests are memes
>>3065 How so? >>3064 >set clear goals Yeah I'll give it a go. Might keep me focused instead of getting a bit of everything all at once and burning out.
I need some advise on how to better myself with my Japanese studies. The two big things that I have been doing consistently is going through the Tae Kim grammar guide and memorizing the vocab from it, and watching some of his videos which cover much of the same content of the grammar guide. However, I'm always looking for more of what I can do to improve myself. <I stumbled across his video mentioning "how" to learn Japanese, and one of the things that he mentioned was becoming immersed in Japanese media. I already watch anime with the original JP dub and English subs, however I'm wondering if this is causing any hindrance in my learning abilities. Also, I do have some vidya from Japan (That is listed below), however I was wondering if there is a special way that I should play these to help me, or which titles would better help my studies over others: >Aero Dancing featuring Blue Impulse (DC) >Animal Crossing (N64) >Bomberman (NEs) >Bomberman 2 (NES) >Bujingai (PS2) >Castlevania (NES) >Comic Fantasy Stories (SCD) >Custom Robo (N64) >Daisenryaku Expert: Great Strategy Expert WWII (SNES) >Dead or Alive (Saturn) >Every Extend Ultra (PSP) >Excite Stage '94 (SNES) >F-22 Interceptor (MD) >F-Zero (SNES) >Final Fantasy (NES) >Hatsune Miku: Project Diva (PSP) >Jumping Flash! (PS1) >Lumines (PSP) >Marvel VS Capcom 2 (DC) >Monster Hunter Portable (PSP) >Ninja Gaiden (NES) >Phantasy Star Nova (Vita) >Phantasy Star Portable (PSP) >Ridge Racer (PS1) >R4: Ridge Racer Type 4 (PS1) >SD Gundam G Generation-0 (PS1) >Sega GT (DC) >Seventh Cross (DC) >SNK Arcade Classics Vol. 1 (PSP) >Super Smash Bros. (N64) >Tales of Phantasia (SNES) >Tech Romancer (DC) >Tohshinden (PS1) >Virtua Fighter Remix (Saturn) >Virtua Fighter 3tb (DC) Also, on the subject of vidya, I was thinking about taking the UIs of some of the game consoles I have, and making Anki flash cards of the settings/labels in Japanese and their English equivalents. Would this be useful at all (Since this is related to system functionality), or is it mostly redundant due to other studies? In addition, as far as where to socialize with Japanese speaking people, what are some advised places to go? I know some Anons recommended an app, and I do know about /librejp/ and 2channel, but what are some other places?
What are some shows and audio dramas that Anons would recommend for one to listen to for the purposes of hearing the Japanese language being spoken and coming to understand it phonetically?
I donta speaku englishu
>>3267 How long have you been learning for? Honestly I'd advice to grind out vocab for some time while reading manga, reading is far easier than trying to keep up with a show or a game and if you can read a word then it'll be far easier to hear it and go "ah, I know that one", at least in my experience. Personally, I grinded out the Core6k and been reading manga for a year and a half now. The first 2k words are a pain since you don't understand anything and have to look up everything but after a while it becomes far easier and you can actually move from trying to understand to enjoying what you're reading. >I already watch anime with the original JP dub and English subs I don't think that helps much, you'll read the subs and end up with a jumble of words in your head since you're trying to understand two different languages with different sentence structure at the same time. Why not try watching some anime you've already seen but using JP subs? Check out Animelon and Anidex for subbed anime, they've got some nice material. >Vidya UI Could be good, most settings would be the same across games so it would be useful. All in all, I suggest you just start reading manga with an OCR tool and either make a mining deck yourself or grind out this one (ankiweb.net/shared/info/1237389412) in the meantime, after finishing it just keep going with more material and checking up grammar from time to time, I think it's far better to actually know vocab instead of just memorizing grammar rules, all you really need is to understand the meaning and the grammar will make sense by itself then. I typed all this and then noticed the date, fuck.
>>3351 Check over on >>>/v/880690 or >>>/jp/280 . hopefully I don't fuck up the links >>3596 >spoiler Yeah I've done a few of those myself. Usually still got replies from the original poster too so I still reply when I have something to add.
>>3585 Most of the people coming here dont either.
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>>2981 (OP) The neocities DJT guide got taken down because the Japs found it and took it down because of copyright. Use this site instead: https://djtguide.github.io/
So, I just picked myself up a sealed copy of a Japanese game for the Saturn, and this price tag was on the case. What does 「お宝市番館」mean?
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So this series of posts is going to be a little “weird”. What’s been going on is that for the past few years, I’ve been importing Japanese games with the intention of playing them. As a result of that, I’ve acquired quite a few packages that I figured I could turn around and use for the purposes of of vocabulary and other learning uses rather than throw them away. I have to admit that I’m still relatively inexperienced with the language, so I figured I’d drop photos of those packages here for other Anons to see and to use for their own purposes and to receive some help from those already knowledgeable of the language for understanding them. This first set of images is from an envelope package. The only things I have blurred out at the personal details, the dates, and the barcodes for confidential reasons. Due to the way I opened the package, I took a separate photo of the torn sticker with it’s missing piece. And the last image is of the sticker that wrapped around the package. The fourth image might be pretty cut and dry. Just a brand name on a sealed case. And the Weekly Famitsu sticker was on the plastic for a PS3 game.
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>>4291 The ZoE sticker was on my Japanese copy of ZoE HD. And the remaining images are from stuff I’ve bought domestically here in the U.S.. Here are two pop-tab lids from a couple of sake cans that I bought back in December. And the last set of images is for a package of bean paste pastries.
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Not sure how helpful this will be for other Anons, but I recently found out about this American "Japanese learning" magazine from the late 80's called Mangajin. It ran for about a decade, before being cancelled in '97: https://infogalactic.com/info/Mangajin How I found out about this is that I nabbed a couple issues at a local bookstore thinking that these would be helpful for personal usage. However it wasn't until tonight that the thought occurred to me of actually looking to see if there are online scans of this magazine for other people to download. And sure enough, there is a website that has scans of all 70 issues: https://juusho.com/mangajin Hope this helps anyone who needs it.
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Reposting some more content from /v/ Be prepared to learn about the Japanese units of measurement as the 尺, 坪, and 升 are still in use today (Also the 匁, but only if you're involved with textiles): https://infogalactic.com/info/Japanese_units_of_measurement Also, be aware of the 銭 and 厘 units of currency as, while they are out of circulation since '53, they are recent enough to still be relevant: https://infogalactic.com/info/Japanese_yen#History
>>3637 >The neocities DJT guide got taken down From what I can tell, the link is back up. >>3063 >>3267 >>3351 >>3596 >>4384 >>4455 >>4456 So making as a follow-up post to all of these in regards to people looking "help" on "where" to start, the short of it is that you just need to start altogether. Start listening to Japanese programs and audios, getting used to navigating Japanese software and websites, and that's really it. Part of the problem with learning a language is that you cannot think that you're going to study the content first and then seek to apply it. What you need to do is expose yourself to Japanese content at the same time you're learning the content. As far as what resources you need to expose yourself to, it mostly depends on what content you're looking for. With video games and software, it's easy enough to just switch the interfaces to Japanese. And if you're too scared of "breaking" something, you can always operate within the safe environment of an emulator (Like emulating Japanese Windows with 86Box). Japanese films, shows, and audio programs are also good resources, but it is extremely advised that you do not experience it through reading subtitles as the point is that you're trying to auditorily expose yourself to "native" Japanese. And if you do wish to reference the subtitles, at least do it after experiencing the program without using them first. However when it comes to manga and light novels, it's advise that you hold off on going to town on those. You're going to be starting out spending way too much time referencing a dictionary for those to have any real value. At least at this point. Just focus in immersing and listening. And if you're so lost that you're just looking for "what" content to listen to, Youtuber Trenton provided a good starting list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P2dBQHnBnHcG3ua_24IO6sP9RDC-5b3WHV9Ri2N5qU/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0 The only thing I can advise is that you try to get as wide of exposure as possible since Japanese is a language highly dependent upon social positions and contexts. So don't spend "all" you time listening to your favorite vtuber. And try to get a "minimum" of 2 hours of daily exposure. Now the listening is only half of what's important at this point, the other half will be studying vocab and grammar. Now you do not need to get too autistic about Japanese grammar rules and what needs to be learned. The Tae Kim grammar guide (Which you can find linked in the OP) is rather extensive on the subject and the best resource for those starting, but you will only need to go up through section 4.6 (And briefly touch section 4.16 (Numbers)) to get the basics of the language's structure. Outside of that, you should spend majority of your time grinding vocabulary. Yes, you will want to Anki as it's the best program out there for this purpose. The OP has resources like the Core2k and 6k decks for Anki, but I've personally found that the most "useful" is developing your own personal vocabulary decks. While these premade decks are useful for those who need it and just want to get started, there is the problem that you may not know the exact context behind the card's meanings. So if have the time to develop your own personal Anki deck, and looking for resources to pull vocabulary from, the Tae Kim grammar guide includes a list of vocab words at the start of each section. In addition, you can peruse through the issues of Mangajin that you see listed here, as each issue includes a vocabulary list on the final page of the magazine: >>4384 Another resource you could used is referencing YouTube Mizuki Meido. She's a Japanese vtuber who's entire channel is based around teach people the language, and has dozens of videos dedicated to learning vocabulary: http://invidio.us/channel/UCznuuJ8KSn4EiEJcHZbhgVw On top of that, there's also a lot of bilingual books you can pick up from your local bookstore or library with their own set of vocab words. So you shouldn't be lacking in content that you can pull from. With all that being said, there are a couple of issues that you need to be aware of. The first is that, if you're taking the method of personally adding cards to your Anki deck, regardless if you've built your own deck or it's a premade deck, make sure that you're not adding multiple version of the same vocab. The search and duplicate-check feature helps partially with this, but a habit I've picked up is to make sure that the vocabulary reflects what you'd find on Jisho since that tends to be the "most common" variations you'd see of certain terms and words: https://jisho.org/ This can also happen in reverse where you will find multiple kanji and phrases that have the "same" meaning in English, but their application is depending on the context. In trying to figure these out, I've found searching engines like Exa (Which includes HiNative, Italki, and Leddit in it's indexes) and the Japanese Stack Exchange very helpful in explaining these intracicies: https://exa.ai/search https://japanese.stackexchange.com/ The second issue is to not overlord yourself with trying to learn "too much" vocabulary in a short amount of time. While you may be eager to learn hundreds of kanji, keep in mind that it's a slow repetitive process. Stick with the default 10 cards a day that Anki uses, and then decide three months in if you think you're ready for "more" in your daily sessions. After all, with those default settings, you'll already be going through 300 cards a month, and 3600 cards by the end of a year. So do you really think you're benefiting yourself by increasing the load? Now this comes the point where it IS suggested that you start experiencing Japanese writing in the wild. On top of your listening and study, it is a good idea to "begin" exposing yourself earlier to "raw Japanese" text, even if it's just occasional notices in your social media feed, but don't worry too much about actually attempting to comprehend the language. The point is more just the exposure. After you've spent several months with Anki and listening, you should have enough experience under your belt to begin tackling manga and (Visual/light) novels. It has been noted that this transition is going to feel like running into a wall, but keep in mind that this your beginning to actually apply the knowledge you've been studying but in a different way. And while you may feel like you "need" to look up every other, don't and just focus more on the kanji that your recognize and being able to at least comprehend the generalities of what the sentence is saying. If you're been diligent in your vocab studying, you should begin to notice the patterns across the different kanji in terms of meaning, purpose, and even sound. Now I cannot answer every question that people may have, but the point of this post is just to get you started. Give it a year or two of diligent work based on what has been outlined, and you should start making progress to the point where you can start referencing and asking questions in Japanese.
Can you learn Japanese off watching anime? They say the language used in shows is too literary and old-fashioned, if you talked like that in Japan they'd laugh at your face
>>4590 I doubt that tbh unless the show is old or set in an old setting. No reason for stuff like modern high school settings to use archaic language for example.
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>>4590 >Can you learn Japanese off watching anime? Yes and no. Anime can be a great resources, but understand that anime tends to have a lot of "dead air" in it and that many of the expressions exist only for dramatic purposes. See primarily the first vid in this post: >>4456 The most benefit you'll really get from standard anime for "learning" purposes is vocabulary. Outside of that, it's probably better to be listening to audio dramas and radio shows for the benefit of auditory comprehension.


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