>>40080 Way to get the thread rolling... Well, the Boomers and Gen-X seemed to be into cloth and crinkly plastic pants and the whole, "if you act like a baby I'll treat you like a baby" schtick. Also, mostly fags and incels in these generations, my hypothesis is because cloth diapers didn't stimulate female gentitalia enough to make them abdl. Post-disposable diaper childhoods (Millenials) we see the first boom of female ABDLs, but they're immediately they're put off by all the thirsty Gen-Xers and Boomers. Millennials' still very ashamed of our love of diapers, but not as into the harsh humiliation but more of us are into gentle dom since half of our parents had figured out gentle parenting and we're like "don't pee you pants, you're not a baby," versus "Goddammit! You fucking baby, piss your pants again and I'll put you back in diapers!" Seems Zoomers are generally more chill about their fetish, only kinda embarrassed about it. Younger zoomers talk about this shit on Youtube like it's a hobby, DnD or BMXing or some shit. Oldest Alpha is only ten right now, so who knows about them.

Okay?

>>40081 Damn, I'm into soft humiliation and I really didn't think about it that way. Christ, you really have a point.

>>40081 Kill all zoomers

>>40081 >only kinda embarrassed about it lol lmao I wish I was born a woman or gay. Every time I think I get romantically close with someone, I think about them finding out about this secret and it being a deal breaker. Every now and then, I try some sort of BDSM dating app because someone there would surely understand, but everyone is either way older than I am, looking for a one night stand, a lesbian, looking for a daddy, or an onlyfans whore. Men can't be vulnerable. Men have to be the bread-winners, and a boulder of emotional support, and this and that and whatever. I've finally gotten to a place in my life where I have accepted that this is a huge part of who I am, but I fear the world is not as ready. I'm not some autist who will wear only a diaper in public and shit in it. I just want to be held and comforted and told that I am a good baby boy in private. Right now, I give myself the words I want to hear, or even brush my fingers through my hair to get into headspace. Once I finally come out of it, I cry because I might be the only one able to give myself such a calming experience. Every time I drink, I think about being so wasted that I have to be taken care of and someone will cuddle with me and treat me like I've finally wanted. I can't even have that since my tolerance is insanely good, and I'm the most aware out of all of my friends so I have to take care of them when we drink. Maybe I'm asking for too much, but it's hard for me to not be embarrassed by it. Even if (when) I'm fully OK with this side of me, I still have to keep it away from those I care about the most. I don't know if I will ever find a girl who is supportive of stuff like this, and I'm certainly not opening up to my friends about it (at least, not now). Thank you for reading my shitty ass blog.

>>40085 LOL, bro chill. It's okay. You're young. Having married the rare ABDL female, I gotta say it's not all you imagine it to be, but it is amazing - or, rather she is. But it's true you gotta have something to offer. I had a good education, a career, and treated her right. I get to be the baby 1/3 times, and that's good enough for me. but you're totally right that if my life had only been about diapers it wouldn't have worked. A bro I know married a non-ABDL and told here - she didn't reject him, but she doesn't really have N interest or participate either. So you gotta decide how much acceptance you need. You a zoomer though? Is there any traditional masculinity left in you guys? What's the ABDL scene like for your generation?

>>40097 >You a zoomer though? Yes. >Is there any traditional masculinity left in you guys? Of course there is. There will always be "traditional masculinity." >What's the ABDL scene like for your generation? I wish I knew. I probably would feel less embarrassed if I knew someone. Most people my age are probably scared of hosting a munch, and I think that seeing people 2/3x our age is not appealing, too. I've only ever met an ABDL online and she's a year older than me. We've been friends for a good while, but it's not the same as a real friend would be.

>>40101 I'm a late millenial/early zoomer 94. I don't remember much of the 90s but I do remember 9/11 so I'm not sure where that leaves me generationally. You are absolutely right. Most guys are too fucked up with "traditionally masculine" concepts that they don't even know are fucking them up. It's taken years of reflection and effort for me to learn to question the inherent value that masculinity applies to things. To some extent I totally get feeling like it would be easier to be gay or a woman. I am really not interested in being either but it definitely seems like getting ABDL needs met as one or the other would be easier. My wife is simply not interested in diapers and stuff like that. I used to really restrict my home wearing at her request but through some awful mental health crises over the last year I put my foot down on that. I wear diapers now, when I want, no questions asked. There is literally no reason for me to not do the thing that comforts me when I want it. She has accepted that, but there is an aspect of my emotional needs in regards to that that will never be met. It sucks.

>>40101 Surviving the 2016 sjw dramas and gamergate stuff hearing masculine as a guy just feels... annoying now Like when queer says cis I understand is a word that's existed for years but is been ruined and poisoned with out of context Even fem just feels...cringe Slowly i struggle to understand todays rule's So women don't wanna dress girly..ok fine yet when a trans person becomes female they....dress girly which is going against what women wanted (vise versa on males) Trans people wanna be seen as normal...ok sure yet trans people i met (don't apply to all trans and don't used this post as your anti trans argument) they want to not be seen as normal but "special" cause from what i see it...you just changed your look and your title...which anyone can do on a whim As a autistic person who only knows autism,adhd etc yeet sudden I'm not apparently autistic im "nuro divergent" which....sorry but autism is already a kinda umbrella now we have umbrella for umbrella terms so i Gonna be confused if your autistic,adhd,asburges and more I'm also struggling with the rules of life now we have too many messes and rules Too many flags,too many terms for every tiny thing and rewording old words and act like "well you should of known this" YET I'M NOT ON TUMBLR 24 FUCKING 7 And is same issue with abdl now as before we have two groups You either love wearing diapers or you love being a baby but now your a babyfur (that's still adult baby) and now we have to separate cloth, plastic and cotten diaper lovers the must saying diaper lover I'm only 1 gen behind yet I'm more confused then skibidi toilet (least that is simple as is toliets vs robots in epic fight simple as) What happened to just being basic Hell the big question i always wonder is If queer was a "offensive" term and gay people took it for themselves...why not take fag? I'm British and we still keep the word fag for cigarettes,food and more het never once heard a boomer say fag to mean a gay person and tranny is used a good thing on trans and drag queens so why not have a gay person just go "I'm a fag and proud" while having a smoking in his mouth and a man sucking his cock (be funny if that's a official shirt modeled by a gay man)

>>40120 Absolutely retarded zoomer.

>>40120 >claims to autistic >proves it with every sentence. Yeah not sure what to say. Culture is complicated, lots of things are paradoxical. Neurotypical folks can live with vast amounts of paradox and cognitive dissonance and it doesn't bother them at all. Quite the contrary. Its foundational to their world view. If autism just a genetic thing then you unfortunately lost the genetic lottery in regards to understanding the relationship between culture, values and behavior. To stand a chance understanding "neurotypical" stuff you are just gonna have to accept that paradox, inconsistency and contradiction aren't a bug, they are a feature.

One think I really like is how easy zoomers seems to be. I'm a mid millennial and I'll run into like 25 year old zoomer kiddos that act like they have never been touched or hugged before. They are totally cuddle starved and as sad as that is it kind of rocks. I swear someday I hope to adopt a whole bunch of them and get a nice place.

>>40085 Move somewhere with BDSM dungeons and meet someone there then move back with them

>>40133 I'm actually gen x Reason my write is a it...shit is cause i struggle writing which has got Better sometimes but i remember this one teacher I did what was told "write story using rule of 3" "write story with a twist" Apparently i always fail and she like "oh well try again" yet I don't see where the problems until I'm actually told

>>40134 Is theorized 8 became autistic due to being stranged by my own cord causing less oxygen to the brain. But is mainly contradictions i don't get which makes culture more hard. Like autism i explain my experience as a adult who can't let their childish side go (not inner child but i can't mentally grow up despite me trying) Adhd,add etc i can fully understand as people who have them explain to me or i ask family. Issue is when neuro diversity became the new trendy word to throw around and...i hated that word. Not cause is a new word but... businesses throw it around like I'm expected to know. Autism itself is a umbrella term cause of different levels of autism which isn't hard to tell unless you ask someone about their experience having it.(Like someone telling me their disabled but i ask in what way). But neuro diversity is from i understand so far is a umbrella term and from what i know about what's in that umbrella is.... awkward since is good we making mental issues known and finding ways of solving it for people struggling. But the awkward bit is people using it like Tumblr uses their sexuality as a personality. Is over positive that's slowly becoming a negative From "autism is a superpower" to "if you walk kn your toes then you might be autistic" as it gives off that "Asian are good with math" like sure your trying to be helpful but your basically sterotyping and expecting that from everyone. I already struggled with understanding faces as i have a neutral 😐 face yet according to family either "look depressed" "mocking me" and more and "you must file cause how many muscles it requires to make that face then a smile" And was in that age where I'm always learning and seeing everything as fact so me having my normal mutual face being seen as always bad made it hard for me to understand other shit. If you want to celebrate these mental issues why not question the bad and see how we can legit make it easier (don't mean make them the black sheep In a crowed) then saying every tiny part is perfect....is not perfect if that person struggling and your over here on tumblr/twitter posting emojis of the neuro diversity flag

>>40141 I learnt that on wiki thay apparently diapers are bdsm Yet seems diapers are the most hated bdsm thing. Cat woman in leather and a whip = meow Add a diaper = "CRINGE,SHE SHITS HERSELF"

>>40138 And people wondering why people with sign's saying "free hugs" exist You just need that human to human contect especially after covid

>>40138 Adopt?

>>40209 Yeah. I'm gonna put you in my basement forever and snuggle you. :3

>>40081 To me it seems like Zoomers are less chill about their fetishes and sex related stuff, and more shameless and over sharing about personal things. I don't really see it as a good thing that a lot of Zoomers seem to have far less interest in keeping personal things like weird sex stuff out of sight of normalfags or even just friends and family that really don't need or want to know about their sexual interests. I still find it bizarre we're at a point where teens and twenty somethings talk online about coming out to their family and friends about ABDL and other fetishes due alphabet propaganda. Most extreme examples of this is Zoomers (of course some older people use the too, but it seems like mostly Zoomers and younger Millennials) posting on places like OnlyFans and then seemingly not understanding why that can lead to a lot of people seeing them as a whore or pervert while hurting their relationships and job prospects for non-sex work. Also... Yeah it is very noticable that ABDL women and to some extent ABDLs in general got more common with disposable diapers. This fetish probably wouldn't be as common if people were still mostly using cloth diapers. Think it's worth noting we rarely hear about ABDLs from less developed countries where use of disposable diapers is less common due to poverty. >>40085 >I wish I was born a woman or gay. I feel your pain, anon. I'm in the same boat. I remember thinking It would be so much easier to be just gay instead of an ABDL. Certainly wouldn't have much need to hide being full blown gay in the West like with ABDL stuff. Also I do agree with sentiment of ABDL and other fetishes being easier for women and I think my interest in TG/TF porn is at least partly tied into this. At the same time I'm also aware that I might not even be in to ABDL if I had been born female due to women in general having lower sex drives than men and women being less prone to fetishism compared with men. It's not just showing vulnerability it's that overt male sexuality is often seen as more threatening than female sexuality. There's plenty of double standards in how women are allowed to behave that if a man acted like that they would much more run the risk of getting registered as a sex offender. Unfortunately most men can't be open about sexual interests outside vanilla or more main stream stuff like BDSM without the risk of being labeled a creep or pervert and this even extends to trusted romantic partners. It's even worse with ABDL due to how normalfags can mistake us for pedos. And yeah the other thing is men aren't really naturally inclined, conditioned, expected, or desired to show vulnerability. A common sentiment I've seen in the ABDL community among men on revealing the fetish to a partner is concern that the non-ABDL partner will either see them as some form of predator, see them as less of a man, or lose respect and love for revealing interest in a niche fetish like ABDL. While it would be nice to have a girlfriend or wife into this there's the likely chance that a woman finding out about her husband/boyfriend's ABDL fetish will not be okay with it either explicitly or implicitly. It doesn't help there's plenty of women out there who will use vulnerability against a man later if she decides she is no longer interested. I know I've got some internalized stuff over this and I know my mental issues aren't just the result of a fetish, but I really don't see most male ABDL porn as appealing. At best femboy/twink ABDLs can sometimes get me interested, but I just find it hard to be into masculine men in diapers. This even applies to myself. I'm well aware I'm a hairy ape of a man which has led to some frustration and annoyance when dealing with TGTF porn communities. It feels like a slap in the face and being dragged back into reality when some tranny online starts bringing up egg bullshit and suggesting crossdressing. My usual response is to either ignore it or tell them to fuck off with their attempted groomer stuff and just let me have the fantasy without their intrusion of tranny nonsense. My own ultimate ABDL fantasies pretty much all involve being the girl (in both dominant and submissive roles) because of my various issues. Here's to hoping the afterlife will allow this or tech progresses enough that putting someone into a new body is viable, but cynically I'm well aware even if the latter did happen it wouldn't be available to poorfags like myself. Thank God for porn and NSFW chat bots that we don't have be afraid of judging or ostracizing us at least. >>40138 Really? I always got the impression Zoomers in general are even more paranoid and risk averse about potential predators, bad relationships, and unwanted physical contact than Millennials. That's a thing with Millennials too, but it seems a lot more common with Zoomers that they avoid intimacy, physical contact, and relationships out of nervous anxiety.

>>40080 I'll never meet someone into abdl (probably will never meet someone period cuz 3/10 face) and this makes me extremely suicidal the only thing keeping me here is the drive to make money to comission more cute diaper art (picrel), and the fear of death t. zoomie

>>40216 Unironically just find a 3/10 woman. Lots of ugly people (women included) are starved for (positive) attention from literally anyone. So don't give up.

>>40258 Unfortunately not applicable in the world of online dating where even a 1/10 cripple can get infinite matches so long as it's a real female. But thanks for at least trying to make me feel better, have some hawt art

>>40259 Go to a department store, grocery, hardware store, etc. Find someone sweeping or stocking shelves. Complement them and ask them out. People like that get treated like shit by every part of society. Treat her like a person and she'll probably do anything you want. The internet is where people go to engage in fantasy, you're not fantasy material and neither am I, so we'll get no attention here. If you're on the internet a lot, your perception of people will be skewed, just look at trends, fads, marketing, Anne politics, it's all bullshit. People still aren't great, a lot of them are shit. But it's better than fake shit. There are options. You might be in a better boat than I. I think I'm fairly attractive, and I'm in pretty good shape, and make decent money. So my standards are too high and I end up getting nothing cause I'm retarded and won't follow my own advice even if I've seen it work. Don't be me, don't be retarded. (Or too thoughtful for your own good) Either way, I do appreciate the art. Bless you for commissioning.

>>40275 I've considered this especially since I was (and still am despite not working in retail anymore) that socially awkward dude working in retail because of lack of ambition, mental illness, and keep my head down to avoid trouble mentality. With the way things are now I'm afraid I'll just come off as a lonely socially maladjusted 30 something dude creeping on a woman just trying to do her job.

>>40083 It's linked to trauma. I mean, furries commonly have experienced some kind of association with specific anthropomorphic characters in children's media for similar reasons. Or more extremely, childhood neglect or abuse causing so much homosexuality later in life because the child hasn't had a healthy and balanced familial experience when growing up

>>40120 >Trans people wanna be seen as normal...ok sure yet trans people i met (don't apply to all trans and don't used this post as your anti trans argument) they want to not be seen as normal but "special" cause from what i see it...you just changed your look and your title...which anyone can do on a whim Three of my closest friends are trans. Two are M2F and one is F2M. We have been friends since elementary or middle school (the F2M girl was my 'first girlfriend' in kindergarten, lol). This was obviously long before they came out. But in adulthood, talking to them after they came out, they all had the same 'we felt this way for as long as we can remember' feeling. Their trans identities entered their conscious awareness as young children, much as my interest in baby clothes and diapers began young. My parents told me of begging to buy diapers and a bottle for Christmas or birthdays for years after I stopped using them; I've asked Santa to be a baby again as my Christmas wish. And my friends tell me they had the similar wishes and requests but for gender. Only two of them knew each other as young children, I've been in different school districts and met them all separately. In hindsight a lot of things make sense. For one thing, they were always quick to crossdress - such as for Halloween when we were trying to come up with costume ideas or in Drama Club playing the role in the opposite gender. We each are esoteric, quirky. We are also all diagnosed on the spectrum (formerly, complete with IEP's and lots of therapy growing up). Once upon a time it was Asperger's Disease and not really associated with Autism - which was "Tannerism" then. We were is special ed, but we all also were mainstreamed and by high school we only had special ed homeroom and required counseling (I struggled with not being in special ed gym though - I used to be able to swipe diapers from another kid who had spina bifida and was in a wheelchair). My friends lives are being made more difficult because of these fake ass douchcanoes playing woman because it gets them off. There is a difference between a transgender person, who actually fits the definition of being gender dysphoric and having the legitimate mental health issues that go along with it; and those who prance around in womans clothes because it gives them a rush. >>40120 >As a autistic person who only knows autism,adhd etc yeet sudden I'm not apparently autistic im "nuro divergent" which....sorry but autism is already a kinda umbrella now we have umbrella for umbrella terms so i Gonna be confused if your autistic,adhd,asburges and more The term "neurodivergent" annoys the fuck out of me. Some self-diagnosed cuntbag came up with the phrase after seeing the Divergent series and romanticizing themselves as characters in the movies. I detest the word "retard" as an insult towards people with intellectual disabilities - but in this case, these self-diagnosed cunts fit the bill as "retards" perfectly. I fucking hate them... When I've had the displeasure of meeting these retards in person I've had to suppress the intrusive thoughts of violence that naturally appeared after listening to them drone on about how their "neurodivergence" makes life difficult because they are being forced to fit in to society. How much I wish it were legal and appropriate to plant a dull railroad spike in their forehead, but I digress... I would never use violence except in self-defense, but we all have our intrusive thoughts from time to time and meeting these walking talking yeast infections makes those thoughts all the more frequent. Fuck them! Fuck them in the ass with a splintery railroad tie on lit fire and no lube! The same goes for the fucking cross-dressing fetishists who get off on dressing up in womanface and prancing their cocks around in female dressing rooms making life all the more difficult for those who are just trying to live their lives without becoming targets in this political nonsense theater. When I read your comments on trans folks wanting to be seen as normal I immediately thought of my friends... We are very close, more so in the past five years because of the media theater and the use of trans people as cudgels to divide and inflame people for political gain. In some ways I could claim a 'trans' title, too; but as AB/DL not so much in gender. But the whole ABDL topic is one that is even more divisive - since it is associated with peedough garbage (and, sadly, since there seems to be a higher frequency of peedoughs who also claim to be ABDL, it doesn't help our claims that ABDL isn't about actual littles).

>>40081 > >Seems Zoomers are generally more chill about their fetish, only kinda embarrassed about it. Younger zoomers talk about this shit on Youtube like it's a hobby, DnD or BMXing or some shit. I call bullshit on this

>>40081 I disagree with pretty much everything you've stated here. What years are you using to define each generation? Like, they've not been consistent. Millennials used to be 1982-2001, now they're 1980-1996. Here's my take: Boomers 1946-1964: Grew up when cloth diapers/plastic pants were still common. AB and DL are still firmly bifurcated with them as ABs tended to be into cloth diapers and the "act like a baby, get treated like one" mentality. Disposable diapers are a medical item for this group, DLs are more likely to have a medical fetish than a baby fetish. Gen X 1965-1980: Grow up initially with cloth diapers, like Boomers they keep quiet about this interest given how taboo it is. By the end of Gen X disposables are already widely in use, and most Xers born by the mid-70s probably have experiences with disposables either swiping them from siblings or needing them at night for bedwetting. Needing them is still considered an embarrassing thing, so any arousal from this is kept discreet. Oregon Trail Microgeneration 1976-1982: Part Gen X and Part Millennial. This group was born and raised in disposables and disposables are their thing. This is probably the first group that gets public about this fetish on the internet and allows the older generations to open up there too, but they also pave the way for what we see now. Diapers are still an embarrassment to them, but occasionally they'll pipe up about enjoying them, just not loudly and proudly. This is also the generation that gives us an actual "diaper porn" niche, instead of just having it randomly crammed into generic porn for five seconds. More women are open about wearing in this generation as well. This is the group that begins blending AB and DL into AB/DL. I'm thinking Pull-Ups and GoodNites are part of the reason for this. Diapers aren't "medical" to these people, they're "youthful," and they're not "disposables," they're "diapers." Millennials: 1980-1996: Grew up almost entirely in disposables, were the first to wear Huggies Pull-Ups and GoodNites. Anyone who took an interest to diapers at a young age in this generation probably had easy access to them in some form, either for their own needs or because of a sibling or other relative. Cloth is virtually nonexistent for this group. By the time their engaged in fetish stuff, there are already lots of diaper fetish sites online and social media, this is where you get the "golden age of diaper porn" as the internet is widespread, but you still need to be able to work a damn camera if you want to shoot porn, which means you have to be remotely talented to justify spending money to create said porn. This is the group that starts using the term ABDL without the slash between the two. Gen Z 1997-2010: The youngest still can't post in a place like this, but we have a good idea what most of this generation is like. They're more ashamed about their kinks actually being kinks, but also more willing to share them with the world, as long as it's through a screen and never in person. They'll jump on YouTube and anywhere else and open up about their interest. (This isn't necessarily a bad thing; for example, you can't blackmail someone who puts everything out there anyway.) This generation is "AB/DL in denial" in the sense that they seem to be most open about things like diapers, but most reluctant to use the term AB/DL. Instead we get a lot of people saying they're into "DD/LG" even if they really mean AB/DL, and a lot of Diaperfurs using the "furry" thing to hide the "diaper" thing. I find this both mildly amusing and wildly irritating. They're the most open AB/DLs, but they won't use the term AB/DL, LOL!

>>40081 I'm calling bullshit on this because of the immediate focus on females, this seems like a straight guy wishfully thinking about females in diapers and making shit up. > At best femboy/twink ABDLs can sometimes get me interested, but I just find it hard to be into masculine men in diapers. Bruh. Join the club. There are tons of gay people who have this exact preference, it's not even abnormal at all. >>50758 Really? Most diaper fetish people I know and see are zoomers and are 100% open about it, and most of em do seem to be leaning into diaperfur shit, but I don't see them obfuscating it. And yes I prefer the term diaper fetish to ABDL. Oh and just so we're all on the same page here, fuck DDLG, that does not count as a diaper fetish.

>Millennials: 1980-1996: Grew up almost entirely in disposables, were the first to wear Huggies Pull-Ups and GoodNites. Anyone who took an interest to diapers at a young age in this generation probably had easy access to them in some form, either for their own needs or because of a sibling or other relative. Cloth is virtually nonexistent for this group. By the time their engaged in fetish stuff, there are already lots of diaper fetish sites online and social media, this is where you get the "golden age of diaper porn" as the internet is widespread, but you still need to be able to work a damn camera if you want to shoot porn, which means you have to be remotely talented to justify spending money to create said porn. This is the group that starts using the term ABDL without the slash between the two. I'm was born in this time period and was raised in cloth, and it was common in this generation. Disposables only started to overtake cloth in about 1980. So, through mid-80s, you're looking at 30% - 50% being in cloth. Pull-ups debuted in 1989, GoodNites in 1994. That's easily Googled. Half of early 80s kids had no access to disposables, other half it varied. DPF was -the- original AB site, and it spawned off a newletter in 1980. I remember finding it in 1997, it went online 1995 at the earliest and, at the time, that was basically it. 97 - 07 was the time of individual home pages, forums, and friend communities in ABDL, before we became commercialized like everything else. ABUniverse started 2007, Bambino diapers 2006, Rearz incorporated to start online in 2006. 2005 and after is when the internet started to take off and everything became commercial. Anyway, your timeline is way off for the period I personally experienced. You can research the dates online. How old are you? Were you not here to remember it?

>>50766 >DPF was -the- original AB site, and it spawned off a newletter in 1980. I remember finding it in 1997, it went online 1995 at the earliest and, at the time, that was basically it. In my vintage porn collection, I have a few magazines from the 1970's that discuss infantilism. This is pre-Attends. Baby disposables are available. It wasn't termed AB/DL then. I've often wondered if the idea for DPF in general was born from these articles, they were warm and inviting, not critical at all...

>DPF Speaking of DPF, does anyone know if an archive exists of the stories posted there? One of my first exposures to diapers was by reading the lengthy story that I believe was called "Becoming a Diaper Boy". It featured characters named Tommy, Marvin, and Max and took place in Boise, Idaho. I doubt anyone else has any clue what I'm referencing, but if so please help a brother out.

>>51039 Go ask BitterGrey: understanding.infantilism.org He may have or know where there are archives.

>>50802 1970s... Baby disposables are available. Yes, but very rare and unknown. Launched in the 70s but didn't become and equal option with cloth until the mid 80s. By the mid 90s, yeah, most parents used disposables but that mans 25% - 50% of millenials grew up in cloth, however, diaper interest goes a few years after actual babyhood, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 90/10 nostalgic preference for disposables among millenials, but cloth didn't die with our generation, and some Zoomers might be interested with the resurgence of pocket diapers and organic parenting stuff.

>>51162 >Yes, but very rare and unknown. Not in the least. You're off by ten years. Pampers were launched in the early 1960's; they had coast-to-coast sales before the end of the decade. Pampers was a US $1-billion brand by 1979. I've read that in 1975 approximately 30% of families exclusively used disposable diapers; but that was 60% by 1980 (and 70% to 80% by 1985). If we add those who had a hybrid use, such as my family, I would say it goes much higher (even now, I would say that periodic disposable diaper use would be > 95%). The resurgence in cloth diapers began in the mid-1990's - coincidentally when the last of the cloth-diaper babies both in the 60's and 70's were having their babies... Photo is from a mid-1970's grocery store... Not a display for something that wasn't getting a lot of sales...

>>51176 >Not in the least. You're off by ten years. Pampers were launched in the early 1960's; they had coast-to-coast sales before the end of the decade. Pampers was a US $1-billion brand by 1979. Maybe I overstated my case, but you certainly overstated yours as well. The Care Bear Movie II: A New Generation came out in 1986 and featured cloth diapers on babies still. A lot of people I know born before mid-80s had diaper services (weekly service that picked up / laundred and returned fresh diapers) and cloth diapers, so they were in major use until at least '85, we could probably tell when things went mostly disposable by looking at when those companies went out of business. Perhaps disposables were 50% of the market at that point, so not rare, but there was still a lot of cloth. Also, as someone who uses cloth on occasion - there's way less leaks in traditional cloth diapers. The new pul snap diapers aren't the most absorbent but a PVC or Urethane cover with proper cotton inserts is incredibly absorbent compared to disposables, especially when lying on your side. However, cloth diapers work a lot diaper with line drying as the UV light kills bacteria and smells better and you don't want to use detergent as that keeps the cloth from absorbing pee as well. The ubiquity of clothes dryers makes cloth diapers seem less attractive. But, even as I say that, as a young ABDL I was into disposables because that's what 90% of the advertisements were for on TV as a kid and the cloth diapers in Looney Tunes made them seem comical. Yet, when I finally bought a cloth diapers in my late 20s (after 10 years of ABDLing) it was like coming home. My mind might not have remembered cloth but my body did - the smell, the feel was massively nostalgic and I prefer cloth now if I have time for it.

>>51411 >Also, as someone who uses cloth on occasion - there's way less leaks in traditional cloth diapers. I get it - it's your bias... First, my case wasn't overstated, it was an argument based purely in facts. You've cited no objectively supported facts; but one subjective fact you included was that cloth diapers are more absorbent. I call bullshit on that claim. There isn't an adult cloth diaper made that can legitimately hold more than 3 liters without leaking. I void 2.5 to 3 liters nightly and leak through Megamax diapers a few times a month. I tried cloth. While Megamax do leak, it is often a small area and easily managed by the bed pads I put under my sheets. With cloth, I have to triple or quadruple diaper to ensure they don't leak. The result is a diaper so thick I wake up with hip pain. If I try for thinner, they leak so badly they soak through the bed pad into the mattress. When the Megamax's leak it isn't usually because its over capacity, though that does happen. Usually it is from sleeping on my side. While cloth would perform better for side sleepers in general, capacity is still a problem. Eventually, it's just a puddle inside the plastic pants. Simply put, cloth diapers do not have the ounce-for-ounce absorptive properties of modern disposable diapers. It's not even close! Arguing such is laughable. SAP absorbs many times its weight. As a very rough estimate, the capacity of a diaper is 15 ml per gram of weight (e.g. Megamax, which is approximately 225 g, can hold approximately 3,400 ml of fluid). This has been my life since I was a child. This isn't some sort of recreational thing.

>>51470 I get it, it's your bias towards disposables that made you state you argument. Fucking idiot, now you've ruined any argument you had with your dumbass ad hominem fallacy. Didn't even read the rest of your post after that first fucktarded sentence.

>>51470 >There isn't an adult cloth diaper made that can legitimately hold more than 3 liters without leaking Just stack em' like crazy. I'll agree pound for pound SAP/disposables are more absorbent but there are two problems for me at night. 1. I can soak through even the thickest disposables, so I'm either paying for that and a booster, of I can just ludicrously layer cloth. it looks silly and I can't close my legs but it works. Yeah, pound for pound, disposables are better but I can choose how many pounds of cotton layers I want. 2. SAP doesn't absorb as fast. In theory it could absorb but, in practice, I leak out the damn side of my diaper when I'm sleeping on my side. That doesn't happen with cloth because it soaks it up faster and I can add extra cotton to the sides - it's customizable. Sorry about your hip pain. I use better pillow placement to compensate because odd sleep angles is an issue. You could've just talked preference instead of being an asshat about it. I think we agree on the pros and cons, to each their own.

Cloth is one of those things that I like the fantasy of better than the reality. For me plastic pants completely ruins the fantasy of cloth which essentially renders them pointless given how a waterproof layer is essential. If they were somehow little tied diapers that didn't leak there would be more appeal, but in order to render them functional you basically have to make them so modernized and emblematic of industrial civilization that you might as well just go with the classic aesthetic of disposables.

>>51494 why do plastic pants ruin anything? They can be cute and there's snap up versions instead of pull-ons. The world in which waterproofing didn't matter was the world where, past nine months, you were just naked until you were breeched (around 8, crazy). It was a pretty gross world. No one wore diapers past infancy, they just threw the, on straw and tossed the straw out once overly soiled. So the idea of someone wearing cloth diapers with some from of waterproof pants is an anachronism unless they were literally and infant.

>>51472 >I get it, it's your bias towards disposables that made you state you argument. Fucking idiot, now you've ruined any argument you had with your dumbass ad hominem fallacy. Do you know the difference between responding and reacting? I venture not, but I digress. How is my argument an ad hominem? I didn't attack you I attacked your argument and the apparent bias contained within it; this is literally the opposite of 'ad hominem'. I have no bias against cloth diapers or towards disposable. I actually hoped cloth would help me control my budget and waste. An ad hominem is a type of logical fallacy where an argument is rebutted by attacking the character or motive of the person making the argument rather than addressing the argument itself. Pointing out bias is not an ad hominem, calling someone a "fucking idiot" or their argument a "fucktarded sentence", however, is... That being said, my argument clearly got under your skin and since you lack the emotional maturity to respond, I will posit that if this were a proper argument, I've clearly prevailed... I work from home and can make it to the toilet as long as one is near, I only put on a diaper if I have to go out (and often not if I'm just running a quick errand). My only daily diaper use is at night and affording diapers is a major issue in my budget. So I tried to switch to cloth and went about three months before I had had enough. I invested over $1k in cloth diapers, covers, etc. Fortunately, my apartment has a washer and dryer, though washing diapers every day or every other day was still a chore and letting them go any longer was prohibitively disgusting as the smell became overwhelming (even with a proper pail and wet bag). Seven pounds of pee per diaper translates into a horrific odor... I was all in! Despite this, the trial failed. Miserably... The last straw wasn't the struggles of multiple months of frequent leaks and washing, or even the hip discomfort, it was literally soaking through a diaper so thick my shorts didn't fit over it. Instead, I ended up peeing on my date and ending up mortified and destroyed. I'm not biased against them. Bias implies ignorance and lack of understanding. This isn't bias, this is an evidence-based judgement following a dedicated trial. If anything, I would have been biased towards success (e.g. using cloth diapers long term) as it would save me thousands of dollars annually and reduce my waste substantially versus having invested over one thousand dollars in items I no longer use. "Emotional maturity is the capacity to respond instead of reacting." — Roy T. Bennett

>>51470 > 1. I can soak through even the thickest disposables, so I'm either paying for that and a booster, of I can just ludicrously layer cloth. it looks silly and I can't close my legs but it works. Yeah, pound for pound, disposables are better but I can choose how many pounds of cotton layers I want. > 2. SAP doesn't absorb as fast. In theory it could absorb but, in practice, I leak out the damn side of my diaper when I'm sleeping on my side. That doesn't happen with cloth because it soaks it up faster and I can add extra cotton to the sides - it's customizable. Both 1 and 2 are problems on both fronts. Once already wet, cloth will not wick additional fluid as quickly. After the first void, the fluid will need to flow to a dryer area for absorption. A disposable also develops problems once past the initial void. The SAP can be saturated at the point of insult and the fluid needs to spread. If lying on ones side, this second void (for me, at least) almost always leads to a leak - even if the first void didn't leak. Furthermore, as the SAP expands it actually serves as a dam. The urine doesn't get absorbed at the point of insult and needs to travel, but because of the swelling of the SAP against the skin, it obstructs the flow to dryer portions of the diaper. While wet cloth suffers a similar dam effect, it does not swell and allows better urine distribution more quickly. I have tried the combined approach and is my preferred method when I travel. Wearing a disposable under an all-in-one style cloth pull-on. These work well, especially with the side leaks. > I use better pillow placement to compensate because odd sleep angles is an issue. I don't usually sleep alone. I can't fill the bed with pillows or blankets. Even if I did sleep alone, I wouldn't want to be stuck in one position - waking to roll over and repositioning pillows to do so. This isn't just about me - this is pretty much the human condition. It is unusual and even unhealthy for the body to remain in the same position for so many hours. > You could've just talked preference instead of being an asshat about it. I think we agree on the pros and cons, to each their own. I don't feel as though I was an asshat about it... As I read through my replies, I think I was pretty constrained. What about it makes you think I was being an asshat? TBH, I wish that there were cloth diapers that could offer the absorption capacity of disposables. I want a cloth diaper with an ISO rating of 10L, but I have to be able to fit in a pair of shorts or pants over it (without going up a size or more). As it stands now, cloth does not offer that - and this was always my point. Even those who wet the bed regularly don't often wet 2+ liters every night. For me it is like a constant river flowing all night long. My monthly average based on weighed diapers is 2.5L to 3L every day, some days more, some days less, but I couldn't tell you the last time I woke dry.

>>51472 And your bias towards cloth you fucking idiot. I was born in 78 and disposables were nonexistent here by the mid 80s. I remember the Care Bears movies, and remember thinking how dated that scene was because of the cloth diapers, which by the way, were typically used in animation well past that point because it's what the animators grew up with nitwit.

>>51512 fag

>>51496 I know, that's why I said that I preferred the fantasy and can't seem to actually get into cloth irl. It is kind of irrational, but for some reason if diaper covers are involved, I feel like just heading straight for disposables at that point (also as an aside breechcloths were nothing compared to the medieval pants with ash sewn in and a hole cut in the back). Siberian or Native-style leather diaper covers are pretty cool though, not going to lie. For obvious reasons those in the northern hemisphere came up with the most contemporary diaper-like designs before the advent of the contemporary diaper, cloth or disposable.

>>40168 It's just a more polarizing fetish. In part because you have some people who are still a little turned off by the childlike aspect (though, ironically they never think of furries as zoophiles even though some definitely are. In my own personal experience I've found it's kind of two sides of the same coin. People who don't like ageplay will usually say: "Oh, but I would totally be someone's pet it would be so nice to just let go and be taken care of and have no responsibilities!" or vice versa. I've had great success explaining to them that that's generally how ageplayers feel, too, and it's just a different manifestation of that desire.) though, thankfully, it's popular enough that if you actually go to a kink dungeon even people who have apprehensions about it know to keep it to themselves because it's widely accepted and everyone will treat them like they're kinkshaming if they bring it up. The other aspect that gives it a bad reputation tends to just be that people get a mental image of it attracting a flock of socially awkward and unnatractive men who will quote/unquote "harsh the vibe" but still, it's not like it's something anyone will openly oppose. Typically, it just results in there being a designated "Ageplay" party once a month or every couple of months that cater to that interest. It can suck because typically it's a majority of guys showing up, but it's still fun to go and wear somewhere with other people and to color and play games and talk about it with others in person and trade stories. And every once in awhile a girl does show up and join the crowd, which is cool. At my local one it took awhile before I found a girl to play with but I made two ageplay friends who were girls and got to color with them and play duck duck goose and stuff, then at some other parties I met about 3 other girls who were into ageplay and did scenes with them that were awesome, and ended up falling in love with and marrying the third one. You've got to proverbially "hit the pavement" and "put in the work" but after going to every party for about a year straight (not too hard since it was just Fridays and Saturdays with a random Wednesday or Sunday party once a month or every 3 months at around $10-$20 a ticket) I finally found my soulmate, and in-between I made a bunch of friends, learned a lot of stuff, and did a bunch of fun scenes with a lot of cool and often sexy chicks. The main thing was just being unassuming, friendly, and having good hygiene. As an ageplayer it can be a little easier because a lot of guys clam up and try to be stoic but I often tried to give "golden retriever energy" as the girls call it where I just try to be an innocent ball of sunshine and be all like: "Hey everybody, what's up? Oooh, that sounds cool!" an I was well received. It definitely can help to play the look up a little bit with a leather harness/silicon pants/lack boots but it's not required and the stuff I got (clothes and kink toys) I got off Amazon all for $20 or less.

>>51538 I'm actually curious about cloth for when I have kids myself as I feel like it would probably be cheaper overall than going disposable and better for the environment (possibly?) I have no idea how that works, though as I don't think anyone in my family has used them. I'll have to ask my grandparents or something.

>>51882 I personally love cloth, but the cloth PUL pocket diapers made for kids now is a pain to clean, I hate those pocket diapers. you have to pull wet padding out, and poop is such a mess, even with a toilet sprayer The old school pvc or rubber pants over cotton diapering makes it easy to separate out what to wash and it's more effective too. What the heck? I think people like PUL because it's a little more breathable, but it also leaks at the gathers which was a pain. I used disposables for my kids because it was so much easier - I really tried cloth but, no way. Also, my appreciation of cloth came after they were older and out of diapers and I bought traditional stuff from the era of my childhood only to find it was a million times more effective and easier to clean. If I'd known, I would've looked for retro cloth in their size Maybe the issue is parents feel multi-piece diapering is harder than an all-in-one pocket diaper, but it's actually so much easier if the elements are separate. For instance, sun and dryers might damage your PUL or PVC, but not the cotton. If they're all in one, you're stuck. Separately, you can sun dry the cotton to eliminate smells while carefully cleaning and towel drying the waterproof aspects out of the sun.

>>51883 That makes sense, and especially I can see how it would be relatively easy since sunlight is supposed to disinfect cotton. I could see it being a little difficult if you love in a place where it snows as you wouldn't really be able to set it out to sun but I doubt the cotton would get too messed up from a run through the washer or something. Plus, worst case scenario you could just make some more out of raw fabric or an old 100% cotton T-shirt or the like. I'll have to look into it more, but if I do decide to go for it then it would definitely be the retro way. Some may call me a Luddite but I definitely think we've reached a point where we've been steered into intentionally inferior methods for a lot of things just because it makes someone more money or for various think tank reasons.

>>51895 just remember to only use detergent with poop, and then sparingly. Pee diapers are fine with just hot water if you wash me within a day and detergent creates a barrier that makes cotton less absorbent