Has the 24/7 folks moved somewhere else? It seems barren here.

Currently untraining night only, at least for the time being, having started early October. Just had my first night last night waking up after having peed, and not remember doing the peeing. That's a first for me - haven't had anything close to that yet, and as i write I'm struggling to sleep, so probably won't see a repeat straight away. Any other bed wetting trainer anons around? How did you go about it?

>>42651 Widh I was you, I just wake up horny 🤔

Also another stupid question - do chastity devices make you pee? Like if I woke up horny and I had on a chastity cage and peed so I would stop hurting would I over time get myself to pee every time I thought about sex and rewire my brain? Does anyone have any experience with this?

>>42654 No, if anything it would probably make it harder to pee.

>>42662 there are a few chastity devices that allow space for a catheter or stent.

>>42651 back during covid times I was able to learn to bedwet in a few months. Its really not that hard. Its very much in the head of make sure that if you leak its very well managed regardless and mind yourself that it is okay to let go. Trusting in your diapers is litterally half of it.

>>42702 >>42702 I've been trying to achieve bedwetting for around a half year now. I've been drinking plenty of water before going to bed and waking up to an alarm in the night to wet and drink a glass of water. I also have a protective sheet in my bed and I have plastic pants to prevent leaks. Still, it seems I am always awake when I pee during the night. I suppose I have a strong bladder and a strong subconsiscous, but I am determined to march on. Maybe I need to stop wearing for a few weeks but keep hydrating before going to bed, so that I need to get up and go the bathroom instead of being able to pee in the bed, then go back to diapers to "remind" my subconsiscous how much easier peeing in the bed is.

>>42696 Then its the catheter/stent that is helping you pee, not the chastity

>>42708 one thing i picked up from japanese twitter is to get yourself one of those camping urinal jugs, so then you can use it practicing peeing in bed some time, idea being at night you can relax, go, and get back to sleep more effortlessly

>>42750 The issue is I need to push quite a bit before I start going when laying down. If I stand I can get going much more easily, even in bed. Therefore I think it's not about my body not being used to peeing in a diaper but rather about the position I'm trying to pee in. I suppose I just need to train more, also not resolving to force myself to pee by pushing, but rather persistently stay laying down and just try to relax my muscles.

>>42761 yep, been there, and its definitely something you pick up. im at a stage where it requires a little focus on just letting go, and then it will happen, and its notably easier than it used to be

>>42708 I'll try to drop more wisdom on you. What I found works best is going to sleep with an empty bladder but hydrated, you want to have enough water in your system that within the next hour and a half to 2 hours you will have a full bladder. Basically you want to go take a piss like a good boy in the toilet (or in your diaper) then change into a clean and dry diaper that you trust for your life. You dont want too much water in your system that its hard to fall asleep. I personally smoke cannabis and would smoke up piss then go to bed and would wake up wet about 75% of the time. I was also wearing 24/7 at the time. You want to start hydrating properly around 2+ hours before bedtime but not fast enough for you to need a piss whilst trying to fall asleep. I made a thread about retraining back when 8kun was a thing. I ended up after 4-5 months of untraining with a bladder capacity of 200ml. I am now in a much more healthy relationship with this kink. I still cannot really sleep fully without having to take a piss at least once... but hey.. I lived the good life for a bit. Incontinence training / untraining is 50% mental 50% bladder capacity. To this day I can still wet the bed (in my sleep) only whilst wearing diapers but I have to be in the mood for it / hydrated af. Lemme know if you want more info / have questions

I've been lurking for a long while, been a couple years since I posted in this thread so I thought I'd update. >Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? <Off and on for 5 years, last year committed to 24/7 full time. Have had to go without a diaper 3 times in the last year for various reasons. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? <Started off strictly DL, been more and more leaning to AB. Sleep with a paci 60% of the time, plushy and onesie too. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? <Have basically untrained in bladder. For some reason, when I sit down I get backed up and then flood sometimes. No 2, I have accidents now and again. Night time I have had nights where I wake up bone dry, but have had a few where I have had to change in the middle of the night. >Who knows you wear 24/7? <My wife knows and thats about it. >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? <I don't regret it. I think its helped my mental health a lot. It can be a bit of a pain when I work on my cars and people come to visit. Keep thinking they will see my diapers poking out. I think at least some of my family have seen them. I feel like I am a happier and less grumpy person now. >If you don't wear 24/7, would you like to? Why/why not? <N/A Just to add on to anon mentioning weed and diapers. I have yet to wake up wet at night but I eat edibles (20mg a couple times a week) will try your method before bed the next time I partake. Thanks for the tips.

>>42761 I think something had clicked, and it's getting easier for me to pee in bed. Especially peeing laying on my side was just impossible, but now I've managed to do it without too much struggle. Now I can truely start training to just go when I wake up to pee and immediately fall back to sleep.

Whatever happened to those people that were taking the pills to become incontinent? 🤔

>>43361 I have also been interested in how that was progressing.

>>43375 was this here? or in another chan with ABDL themes? I dont know if I would trust anything medicine related coming from a chan though... too risky..

I'd be interested to hear if anyone wears cloth, especially for the night. If I achieve my goal of bedwetting, I'd imagine cloth would be much cheaper in the long run. Having to wash the diaper and layers wouldn't be an issue.

>>43422 I switched to cloth midway through my last 8/7 stint, lasted around a year I think. (was about 2 years ago that I stopped). The most annoying part of it is you need a _lot_ of material if you're wetting a lot. Some cloth variants can "absorb their weight in water", but they aren't very dense- result is that 6 pounds of diaper are quite bulky. Easy way to measure for yourself- weigh yourself before and after taking off morning disposable. 90% of the weight difference is going to be urine- for me that was 5-6 lbs, or a bit over a half gallon. Neat. For me to get through the night comfortably with cloth I needed 2x Omutsu brand diapers (bought off Amazon; thickest diaper that still dries reasonably fast), and usually had a third diaper with fleece lining next to skin. Not sure if the third was actually required- it was very minimal absorbance, was mostly for 'staydry' nonsense. (then plastic pants, bed protection, etc). Process was diaper up at night, wake up soaked in morning, go for a shower, thoroughly soak+rinse the cloth diapers while in shower- wring them dry (I actually got a 'ninja spin dryer' for this that worked very well), then hang diapers up in front of a fan. After 24h they're dry to the touch, so you end up needing 3 sets in rotation. They're not overly fluffy from line drying, but a few minutes in a tumble dryer can fix that if desired. Or skip the line dry step and just use normal dryer (I don't for ecofag reasons). Or skip all of that and just put in the wash daily. Or embrace the smell and leave them out for a few days before washing- Just do it far away from me. (semi-surprisingly, no real issues from smell from only (thoroughly) rinsing diapers in the morning- never had an ammonia build up issue, so very rare that I'd actually put them in the wash / with detergent) Whole process adds ~15 minutes to the morning once streamlined, maybe 5 minutes at night. Part of my reason for going down this path was the simple math of "Over the last 3 years I've put 1000 diapers into the local landfill, which is about a third of a 20 foot shipping container..."; on the flip side, the added overhead for cloth probably did accelerate my burning out on it. With this setup I never had issues with rashes, which had been a problem the _previous_ time I tried. And only meh part is learning to sleep with so much bulk- it does kind of force sleeping your back. Startup cost of 6x good cloth diapers, 3x dependco velcro closure flannel diaper, 3x plastic pants; call it 9*40 + 3*30 = 450USD startup cost. If you're using 3USD/day worth of disposables, break even is under half a year. But it is also a lot of hassle if you're not used to it. But, certainly works for the lives-alone and can-dedicate-some-space-for-it case.

>>43375 >>43361 There's been a couple new findings. It's not enough for a lot of people, but it usually gets leaking going, which is nice. Alpha blockers causing incontinence seems to be a recognized side effect now. Tamsulosin, the same class of medication as cardura, is now known to cause incontinence if combined with any muscle relaxants. It might be a better option than cardura. I haven't been taking them in a bit, but I'm leaking about the same as I did before, just with bladder spasms now. Maybe I don't need them anymore.

>>42654 Not exactly. My experience was that if you get horny and your body tries getting hard, what will follow when you relax (either through orgasm or chastity preventing it or whatever else), you're going to want to pee. It's your body's way of clearing the pipes, so to speak. So is chastity going to make it easier to pee? No. It'll give you an urge, same as you get after cumming. Is it going to rewire your brain? No. BUT, what happened with me was I'd get horny, chastity would make me lose my partial boner quickly (considering I couldn't get it entirely; no chastity is going to stop the earliest stage of increased blood flow), I'd pee, and then since I was unsatisfied the cycle would repeat were I doing/seeing anything arousing. I don't know what'd happen if you're incontinent. Getting hard prevents urination, so probably the same thing just without the urge element; any urine that built up while hard would be voided once your urethra isn't constricted. Not a doctor. Just my guess. If you're in chastity for a long time and you don't cum, you'll stop getting those semi-erections as often in my experience. (No idea about prostate orgasms and how they would interact with this.) If you cum while caged, which is difficult and a much different experience than normal, you'll still get them. It feels like it resets your body learning not to get hard while caged. Sleeping with a cage on is ass. It takes a long time for your body to get the damn message (was like two weeks for me), and it's painful / causes you to wake up multiple times a night before it does. So all-in-all chastity is probably garbage for untraining, but it can be fun if you want to experience wetting yourself a lot while frustrated and edging.

>>43438 >Startup cost of 6x good cloth diapers, 3x dependco velcro closure flannel diaper, 3x plastic pants; call it 9*40 + 3*30 = 450USD startup cost. If you're using 3USD/day worth of disposables, break even is under half a year. But it is also a lot of hassle if you're not used to it. Could you also give an approximation of the opportunity cost for taking care of the diapers? I'm very interested in cloth, but it currently feels like there's a massive hidden cost related to the time and effort wasted on the ... well, waste ... instead of being productive. May well be more than 450USD monthly.

>>43531 It'll depend on what your routine is / becomes- for me it was an extra 10 minutes in the morning, 3 minutes at night, and some floor space dedicated to drying. The only time it was really inconvenient is if I needed to be out-the-door quickly- rare for me. Though when I woke up late I was more likely to show up to zoom meetings still soaked / before morning shower. (another thing is that it may be harder to hide if you're having folk over- but not really a problem for me) My main issue with it isn't the added time (that would have been spent scrolling youtube or staring out a window trying to wake up), but rather the activation energy- it's a more involved process, so it's harder to restart. I also wouldn't go all in on it sight unseen; cloth is a very different experience from disposable- a bit of an acquired taste, so it's better to try and experiment before committing.

I gotta know, after extensive diaper use, has anyone been able to get less involuntary erections as well as get more arousal-pleasure from wetting? I am sort of starting to grow tired of involuntary sexual responses when I just want to be able to wet easily and feel the squishyness of my diaper

>>43710 Yup, I remember a time when just pulling out a diaper to start putting it on would get me hard. Peeing without having my dick pointing up in the diaper was impossible since I'd start to get hard when I felt myself peeing in the diaper. Nowdays I can easily pee without getting hard at all.

>>43710 I did 24/7 for a year and wore every night to bed for 4 or 5 years before my current relationship. When I started I would get hard when changing and I would have to sit and wait for it to shrink before I could tape up. After I really got into it, that totally went away. When it becomes routine like that it's exciting at first and then just turns into part of the day. Nowadays I do out of town trips for work, and that's my only consistent opportunity to wear, so I do 24/7 while on the trips. Now that I wear irregularly I get semi-hard when I need to pee or after I've gone, but I don't have very much to work with down there so it's not that obtrusive. That being said, being totally flaccid and being pointed in just the right direction as still the most comfortable way to wet. I considered a chastity cage to try to keep it in that state, but after buying three of them I haven't found one that can fit my very high and tight balls.

>>43713 I reached a point where not even looking at diaper fetish porn really gets me hard the way it used to. It has seemingly become just another "hobby" or interest of mine.. But the thought of wetting or messing incontrollably still gets me rock hard, But haven't found a quick and risk free way of achieving either of these things yet.

>>43710 Erection is something you'll eventually have less and less as you get used to diapers. I often popped a boner when padded which made wetting impossible but that went away after a while. Hard to tell how long it took, though. I'm not 24/7, tried it for a month but it's incredibly difficult having a normal life which made me have more sympathy for people with medical issues. Now the only time I consistently wear diapers is to sleep. Again, random erections during the night made wetting impossible but I got used to it and now I rarely have this problem.

>>43802 It's funny you say that. I had an incredibly difficult time having a normal life until I started wearing diapers fulltime. It's a matter of perspective, I suppose.

>>43859 That's interesting, care to elaborate?

>>43859 I'm glad that it worked for you and like the another anon, do tell more. >It's a matter of perspective It's a matter of many factors, already went through my case in the last thread. That said, I still encourage people to at least try a week or more 24/7, they may find a good life like in your situation. I neglected to say that I went most of 2020 in diapers, an almost total 24/7 (I didn't mess often). An year was enough time to get my bladder holding very little, I peed frequently to the point I had to retrain holding in mid 2021 to get back to the normal daily routine. Hard to think it has been almost 5 years now. I don't wish for another pandemic but I had good time in nappies.

>>43873 >>43876 I've always struggled with low-grade incontinence. It's fine when I'm at home and no one else is in the bathroom, but anywhere else? Lots of accidents in school, could barely do work without constant bathroom visits, peeing when I sneeze, etc. For me, there was never shame in wearing diapers, just in *not* wearing diapers when disaster came knocking. I don't see the situation as being that different --incontinent people eventually make the choice on if or not they want to wear diapers, just the same as you make that choice. I made a choice to go further and unpotty train as completely as I can, and I'm happy with that choice. Just don't want to have to think about the toilet anymore.

>>42214 (OP) >Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? I don't for the moment. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? Hands down DL, the AB stuff isn't my cup of tea. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? I'd really like to. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Nobody. >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? N/A >If you don't wear 24/7, would you like to? Why/why not? I'd really like to. I started using diapers 2 years ago to spice up my fap sessions and gradualy wanted to spend more time with them. Ealier this year i started wearing them when i got back when i was home and for the night. The thing is life's a bitch, i lost my job and had to go back living at my parent's home, so that makes wearing diapers without getting noticed very hard. The best i can do until i can go back to living in my own place is wear pullups from time to time, they are easier to manage than regular/abdl diaper.

>Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? 24/7 myself, but I'mma be real and say that I was one of those miserable kids who had IC growin' up as a kiddo. Piss and shit variety thanks to combination of IBS, food allergies, spastic aspy shite, and spina bifida. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? DL mostly. Mostly a way for me to accept my diaper usage and IC. Which I've been since I read some seminal pieces of diaper lover fiction when I was young. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? Some fucked up part of me wants to train up and the untrain myself. But really can't with my control being so fuckin' bad and random. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Family, a couple real life 'acquaintances', some of my extended family, like my aunt who I work for. It's not a big deal really. But generally I am pretty bloody blessed all things considered. Didn't go to publics and was home schooled for the most part. So missed out on the bullying and probably a lot of PTSD, but also means can't do normal crap. So my mind is crawlin' with freak show stuff that turns off most peeps to it. So I mostly living in my mom's garage's attic, work at greenhouse and try to fuck kinky crazy girls which has been hit or miss. But don't ordinarily come here as most of the topics on board are miss that shit, ya?

>>43438 Thanks for sharing your process fellow ecofag. I might copy it in the future

>>43438 >omutsu brand Do you mean the Rearz omutsu AIO cloth diaper?

>>43979 Rearz Omutsu, yes; though it's not an AIO, it's just a velcro contoured cloth diaper- still need plastic pants.

Interestingly, ChatGPT can be used as a mentor for untraining. I've been talking with the premium 4o model, and while initially it gave pretty much same advices I've come across before, it has given me some detailed instructions how to move forward in my specific case. For example, it instructed me to move away from using an alarm during the night and to drink less water when going to sleep, and these tips seem to be working very well.

>>44153 How did you get ChatGPT this far? Usually it will block any attempt of "self harm"

>>44160 It's not too hard. I don't think chatgpt has ever given me trouble when talking about unpotty training.

>>44160 >>44165 It seems untraining is not (yet) set as "self-harm", so it doesn't hit any guardrails. Also, I went with the good old "I'm thinking of an imaginary character for a book" to be sure. Don't expect it to give some sort of magical tip that'll get you untrained in an instant, but if you explain your specific situation to it, you may get some personalised hints to help you overcome your barriers.

Based on my review of the content, here are the key themes and insights from this person's experiences: Progressive Loss of Control Started with voluntary 24/7 diaper wearing Gradually lost bladder control through conscious relaxation and avoiding toilet use Eventually developed involuntary wetting and bedwetting Maintained more bowel control but still had some accidents Full untraining took approximately 1-2 years Practical Considerations Estimated cost of $2,100-3,600 per year for supplies Emphasized need for proper hygiene and changing routines Recommended plastic pants, onesies for containment Discussed importance of having backup/spare supplies Advised on clothing choices to accommodate diapers Key Advice & Warnings Cautioned against untraining without serious consideration Noted psychological impact and adjustment period Emphasized irreversibility of significant control loss Recommended being open with close friends/partners Advised on managing discretion vs practicality Daily Life & Adaptations Modified clothing choices and routines Developed strategies for public/work situations Accepted some loss of privacy/discretion Maintained professional life with accommodations Found ways to handle social situations Medical/Physical Aspects Noted physical changes from loss of muscle control Discussed different types of loss of control (urge vs complete) Tracked progression of incontinence development

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Emphasized proper skin care and hygiene Discussed use of different diaper types for different needs

Stopped my bedwetting training for a month or so because of an UTI, thankfully it went away just fine. I'm happy to notice that wetting while laying down is actually easier now than before, and now it feels like I could totally get myself used to wetting while barely waking up. I also haven't deank nearly as much water as before just before going to sleep, I wonder if that contributes as well? Never the less, I'm glad my progress hasn't gone backwards despite the break.

>>45559 Quite an odd development has occured. I get a stinging sensation in my bladder during the night when I need to pee. It seems to distract me from letting go, as starting to pee is once again quite difficult. Once I do get started, it's easy to continue, as has been for a long time.

Me, myself? Naw never. I like diapers, I like reading about diapers, like wearing diapers time to time, like pooping in them if i can get away with it. That said i can understand how someone likes it tho. My sis i've known for awhile is definitely into that sort of stuff. pretty weird, obviously that my brother and sister are into abdl. but going to chalk it up to a shitty childhood, me and sis being very late potty trainers (think i was potty trained when i was like 8, fully, and my sister has never fully been to my knowledge), my sis being born spastic (also spastic but like milder i guess), and being homeschooled.

>>47298 I wore during the day in the weekend to try 'troubleshoot' why I can't wet easily while laying down. Lying on the couch, trying to relax as much as I can, I still couldn't get myself going, until I opened my eyes. Suddenly the urge hit me and I could wet without an issue. I tried this during the nights, and it did indeed seem to help somewhat to wet, but I think my body and mind also expect to see some light in order to accept that it's okay to pee. I think I'll have to leave a lamp on to see if it helps.

>>47423 It seems getting easier and easier to wet while laying down and in different positions. I seem to wake up on my side quite often, but I'm starting to be able to pee without turning on my back or stomach. It's very slow progress, and even though I never wake up with a dry diaper, I do wake up with a filled up bladder and at least a vague memory of waking up to wet. I think I'll start setting up an alarm some hours before normally waking up in order to train not to hold on from peeing until the morning.

Bit of a side note but are there any tools or gadgets or anything one untraining or enjoying incontinence play should buy ? (Outside of diapers/pads/pullups and training pants) Thanks

>>48103 Sorry to not answer your question directly, but the hands-down biggest upgrade for me in terms of learning how to comfortably/easily wet is upgrading the quality of diaper I'm wearing. I did 24/7 for a year with shitty store brand diapers, but once I started wearing diapers that I could trust to wet without leaks, my body got the message. Eventually I could wet so easily I wasn't sure if I initiated it or if it was involuntary. I wore to bed every night and learned to wet lying down, and after long enough I started to swear when I woke up wet that I hadn't gone to sleep that way. Time, patience, and making wetting as easy as possible for your body is really the key. It used to frustrate me that I had to force myself to go, but once the muscle memory of wetting in a secure diaper builds up, it all snowballs.

>>48104 I got a bunch of depends and am so leak prone I think I am holding my bladder at times

Anyone know of a way to increase post micturition dribble? Clenching hard, holding breath, etc?

>>48103 There was a thread in the daily diapers Forum where someone build a device that measured how often someone would pee (condom cath with some wires to measures wettnes) and connected that with a shock collar. And would gradually reduce the time between wettings. If for example for 20min no pee the person would get shocked a little. Apparently it worked really well in terms of training. Sadly the person didn't published it's code. But u should be able to find the thread if u search for shock collar and daily diaper forum.

>>48112 Wish I knew how to STOP it. I dribble for like 10 minutes after peeing.

The other day I fantasized about a loss of control again. Something about the idea of either not being able to stop, or simply having to go so often, is super hot to me. But I'm too chicken to commit to it yet to de-train myself. Figured there must be some methods by now to kinda induce bowel or bladder control loss.. I'd even be happy with just having to wet a lot, or unable to hold liquid-y messes in.. anything that isn't a catheter. heard Oil is supposed to work with messing, either didn't work or I used too little of it though.

>>48159 I tried drinking Soylent/Huel/products like that a few years ago. I don't know if they've changed the ingredients since then, but the reason I stopped was because I would end up having urgent liquid shits at very inconvenient times. It sucked because otherwise I liked how they tasted, and I generally felt clearer mentally. Making yourself need to piss a lot is much easier- just actually try to drink 8 glasses of 8oz of water or whatever the recommendation is. You will need to piss every 15 minutes, and you sure you can try to hold it but at a certain point it's just painful and you'll piss just to relieve the sensation.

>>48166 I used to have something like that with a local discounters orange juice and Ice Tea brands, no idea what they changed but drinking that ended up giving me awful diarrhea, almost explosive. Also happens with that super cheap soda, pretty sure they throw in so much sugar substitute it has a laxative effect.. When it comes to pissing, I've had the term "rapid desperation" flow around a few times, worth looking into that? not sure what that is or how it works but it supposedly makes you pee a lot and often..

>>48103 my cg does diaper + training pants + waterproof cover as outer layer. It's a lot, but I do notice I automatically stop the subconscious concern of leaking while peeing on my side. If you want incon, you need to go in all positions.

Know that this thread is dedicated to 24/7 and incontinent anons, but I figured that this was the closest thread. Does anyone else like genetic conditions that lead to incontinence in fantasy? For some reason the idea of having needed diapers for one's entire life and never getting the opportunity to toilet train is very captivating to me. I'm not personally into 24/7 or untraining, but I always like looking at threads like this. I know my fantasy is relatively common, but it's hard to find people actually discussing it in ABDL circles for obvious reasons. Sorry for intruding incon anons

>>49191 Well, that's me. I potty trained for the first time at all at the fine age of six and never really got out of diapers. I do know how to use a potty, obviously, I just rarely got the opportunity and it feels weird. You aren't intruding. What makes it appeal to you? I kind of like it being someone's kink, it makes me feel more normal.

>>49311 Six is actually something I haven't heard before; feels like the uppermost limit for toilet training periods that you usually hear is around five. >I just rarely got the opportunity and it feels weird. I must admit that that is kind of the interesting part, at least from my perspective. At least in my experience, it seems like a lot of the people who share their perspectives usually had an acquired form from events later in life, so I wondered about the psychological impact that a lack of continence would have on someone pre-toilet training age over the years. It's not like the situation is too uncommon, and admittedly I have heard about some people's experiences with it before, but due to the sensitive nature of the topic it couldn't really be broached much. I assumed that most people would have mixed feelings about it, but the fact that you specifically found toilet use weird is quite interesting to me. Kind of assumed that it would seem like that for someone who had had that kind of condition, but I guess that it I also thought that the utility of the toilet coupled with the obvious social factors would lead someone to have more negative feelings towards diapers, even if from an experiential perspective it was still the toilet that was more alien. Sorry if I'm rambling, I appreciate you explaining your experience to me. As for the appeal to me, I'm honestly not quite sure. I will say that I think my natal incontinence subfetish(?) manifested later on then my diaper fetish did. The ABDL stuff was present since childhood, but I didn't think a lot about incontinence in youth. I kind of wonder if it developed in part due to my specific taste in larger ABDL matters, which is kind of hard to explain. Basically, as a kid I liked AR more and most of my fantasies centered around babyhood. I never really got into the desperation side of DL, but I always liked diapers. That was sort of the weird thing, because I was fine with usage (and got into it more as I grew older), but I didn't really like the whole aspect of trying to hold it. I think that the diaper stood more as a symbol of youth, if anything else, and omorashi-esque stuff felt off from that. Another thing that I think might be related is that I actually never liked toilet training in relation to ABDL? I always preferred for the fantasy to be either 100% in diapers or 100% toilet trained. It sounds a bit ridiculous to say, but having an ABDL scenario in which toilet training was present made me feel unsafe in a way? It's weird because I was fine with a scenario in which the skill had already been acquired, but I really did not like the atmosphere of toilet training. For that reason, I also disliked pull-ups a lot. It's hard to explain exactly why I like the idea of natal incontinence, but I do know that I really prefer the idea of needing diapers over just liking them, even though I am also fine with the latter co-existing with the former. It almost makes me feel more connected to them, in a way. Needless to say, the whole situation is kind of weird. Thank you for responding anon, don't really get to talk about this stuff a lot.

>>49319 It's not weird to feel that way about toilet training. So many parents or other adults are kind of shitty people towards young children, leading to a lot of subtle mental abuse in toilet training, making it an uncomfortable idea.

>>49389 I guess that that feeling is more common than I thought, guess it was just more in a fetish-specific way. My own upbringing was fine, luckily, for some reason I think that switching to the toilet just really symbolized an end to babyhood and thus the parental attention that they get.

>>49319 Well, while I was trying to potty train, I always had this feeling like I was 'doing it wrong' somehow. Like there was something everyone else got that I didn't. It just felt really unfair and frustrating. That still happens even now. Whenever I end up using a potty, I feel like I'm somehow doing it wrong and I'll end up making a mess again. The most blissful moment of it all, and the thing that really got me online with liking diapers instead of being frustrated with them like you assume, is when my parents(and a doctor) sat me down and explained that nobody was expecting me to toilet train anymore. They knew I was doing my best, and it wasn't my fault. When I say 'feel normal about being incontinent', that's absolutely what I mean. Just want to hear and feel like that again. Funny enough, I don't associate diapers with youth. For me, changing my own diapers is when I started feeling like I was properly growing up. I associate them with maturity and stability.

>>49494 Strangely enough, I think I can see what you mean when you say that. Guessing that the moment with your parents and the doctor was just kind of routine in the grand scheme of things, but it almost seems like a turning point of sorts. Like the moment where one does not feel like they are failing anymore. Glad that you got that, anon. Was going to comment more about what you said about developing the ability to change yourself, but there is nothing that I can add. Always kind of imagined that it would feel like self-sufficiency like that. Again, thanks for sharing.

I've always been into this shit, I try to repress how much I like diapers but ai always come back after a year or so. Its different this time though, because Im actually potentially looking at incontinence because of a receng medical issue. I sometimes barely make it to the toilet as is. Its kind of a monkeys paw situation, its kind of an awful condition and pretty scary but the prospect of actually being incontinent and NEEDING to rely on diapers is incredibly hot too... Might end up being my worst relapse yet...

>>49528 I semi wish for that, but also, afraid cause I know that the repercussions are big.

>>49531 The downsides suck yeah, but I cant stop fantasizing about just using it as an excuse to fully indulge without feeling guilty about it... Might as well look at the upside, yknow?

>>49532 Under better living circumstances, 100%

>>49528 You have what's called functional incontinence. It is a medical form of incontinence that is not related to bladder function. You can consult your primary HCP about this and mention that you would prefer to manage this with diapers as opposed to medical treatment. It is perfectly acceptable to consider this option and could be covered by your insurance/FSA.

>Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? I have been 24/7 for about 6 months, but last 2 years it was 18/7 for the past 2 years. before that I had a stint where I was 24/7 for 1.5 years too. In total I've had bouts over 5+ years >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? 85% DL, but I do have some tendencies toward the AB side. I have some cute pieces from japan >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? I WFH so I fill my 18oz reusable bottle about every 2 hours. Ideally, I'd like to have urge incontinence so I could theoretically wear pull ups when I need to see family, and wear diapers around my SO/daily life. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Just my SO >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? For me, it has been an absolute blessing (~35% progress), my SO has been very supportive and I have all the necessary supplies to make it more long term/viable. There's a lot more to it to make it viable than you think. Daytime, I subconsciously urinate every 15-30minutes about 100-400ml each time. I do not have any nighttime incontinence, even with drinking 18oz of water every night. I just wake up, pee then go back to sleep. Some general tips as a long term 24/7 wearer that emphasizes value haven't had a true leak in months: >Consider funding an FSA with your employer. Incontinence supplies can be bought with your pre-taxed income. This year due to tariffs I bought ~$2.8K in incontinence supplies. You do not need a Medical Letter of Necessity, you can simply order and upload the receipts. That includes diapers, wipes, cloth, boosters, skincare etc. Basically everything below can be included. >The best plastic pants hands down are made with PUL (Gary or LeakMaster). They are machine washable, dryer safe. I've used these for >8years. >For best value, LLMedico has the best prices for incontinences supplies. Best cost for diapers and boosters are BetterDry plus Seni Booster Pads. Always buy cases. WCLM10 for 10% off, you can also do autoship for 15% off your first shipment and 10% every shipment thereafter. I also stock MegaMax if I have to wear for >18hrs. But most times BetterDry+seni will last for ~12hours. They also give 5% cash back on EVERY order, they also have Crinklz if that fancies you. >At night time, consider cloth diapers on top of disposable to 100% prevent leaks. Any disposable diaper can leak, especially for side sleepers. I use a LeakMaster Adult Pullon Cloth Diapers in XL (31" waist) and a L-XL PUL plastic pants. This is 1000x more comfortable than sleeping on a night pad that can cause night sweats. If you're a back sleeper, no issues. Side sleeper, put a pillow between your legs. > When traveling in Car/plane, instead of normal PUL pants alone, I also add a L/XL LeakMaster Adult Pullon All-In-One Cloth Diapers since it can act as a PUL Pant + extra absorbency in the event of leaks >If you travel/fly a lot like myself, get TSA Precheck, you won't get the full body scanner and instead go through a typical metal scanner. The chance of being pulled aside is <20% vs >85%. If you do get pulled aside, be transparent that you are wearing an adult diaper and you'll get a pat down. You can request to be patted down in a private room >In terms of # of Cloth diaper pull ups of the above options, I recommend at least 3, but up to 5-7 is ideal for daily use. Double check the sizing guide on AdultClothDiaper.com so you don't buy too small of a size. I am a L/XL in the above with a 31" waist + typical disposable diaper setup >I personally do not mess, instead I optimized my diet with high fiber by incorporating lots of vegetables. This allows me 1 BM between diaper changes in the AM. Invest in a bidet to fully clear your bowels. >Newer fashion trends are pro diaper, trendy professional and every day fits are relaxed fits, baggy, or oversized both bottoms and tops. Baggy Denim, Carhart pants, Uniqlo Barrel Jeans, Chubbies are all designed with a wide/elastic waist and extra butt space. Generally speaking, invest in a tailor to keep you looking fresh. The Uniqlo Airism suits in black and navy can perfectly hide a Diaper+booster+PUL pants perfectly, and they will hem them to length for free too. >To mitigate diaper rash, in the shower, wash your butt+genitals with a 10% benzyl peroxide wash daily (Walmart has it very cheap). Afterwards, use a very thin layer of petrolatum on your body, a high amount of petrolatum/Zinc Oxide will disintegrate your diaper's adhesive, reduce absorbency, and cause leaks. >Invest in a XL disposable diaper pail. The disposable bags can also have scents to reduce smell. >Invest in a couple all white onesies when leaving your home Overall, my daily diaper life looks like: >7AM: Remove night time Diaper + Booster + Cloth Pullup + PUL Pants, BM + Bidet, Shower + shave + Benzyl Peroxide followed by petrolatum. Change into BetterDry + Seni Booster (I keep it folded in half to maximize absorbency) +/- cloth diaper pull up + PUL Pants. Continue drinking 18oz water every 1-2 hours >6PM: Diaper change, use disposable wipes to clean, change into BetterDry or MegaMax + SeniBooster +cloth diaper pull up + PUL Pants Continue drinking 18oz water every 1-2 hours. >Repeat (every 3-5 days do cloth diaper + PUL Pants laundry) >For purposes where diapers are not appropriate, I wear the new XXL GoodNites + Uniqlo Airism underwear, these are a godsend

>>49603 I'll probably still need to take medication for the issue so it doesnt develop into something worse but I'll discuss with my doctor about it. Maybe I can do both...

Well I finally invested in a diaper pail. Gonna be between jobs for a bit as I prepare to move out of state. This may be my last time in a very long time where I can wear close to 24/7 so I'm planning on taking advantage of it as best as I can. I live with my mom and tend to wear cutsey jammies that reveal the diaper if you look hard enough so this should be an interesting next few weeks. Any advice would be much appreciated. I'm excited for this!

>>49495 It means a lot that you were willing to listen. Thanks, anon.

>>49930 Same to you.

Not really going 24/7 but this is close enough >Trying to get used to sleeping in diapers >After months trying I go a whole night without feeling any discomfort >wet naturally without effort >Feel the mattress wet soon after >PANIC >all night diaper wasn't able to hold my full bladder >remove bed covers and see the wet spot >not that big can wait until morning >return to sleep

>>50011 After doing this for almost twenty years, I wet almost every night. I will frequently leak, at least two or three times per month. Usually the leaks are small, but occasionally its bad enough to need correction. I usually wear Megamax, they're the most consistent with a fair price point. My last month average output is about 2.1 liters per night, but ranged from 1.5l to 3.2l. I weigh every morning diaper; but do not use dry nights in calculation of my average. Anyway... I have two complete sets of sheets on my bed. When it is really bad I just strip the top set and go back to bed. The base layer is a waterproof breathable mattress protector. I have a high-end mattress that is remarkably comfortable and was crazy expensive, I want to make sure it lasts a good long time. On top of that is disposable pads, usually two Goodnights pads. If not Goodnights, will use regular store brands or other pads, but I always use two and will tape or glue them together so the mattress is completely covered side to side with no gap. I put a regular sheet on over that. On top of the sheet I put another couple of pads, like the first layer. And then I put another sheet. This second layer gets stripped in the middle of the night whenever I leak so badly that it keeps me up, though it has to be pretty bad at this point. I could practically sleep in an actual puddle, I think. For what it is worth, I have tried every diaper ever boasting about their 10l+ capacity and have yet to find one that won't leak after 3l. At 2.5l to 3l, every diaper is 100% wet from edge to edge, top to bottom.

>>50016 you're on another level, respect I just got some mattress protectors the damage was low and is already dry. I'm going to be more careful, don't want my mattress smelling. >Megamax Not available here. I use heavy duty medical diapers and they work well enough for the price it's just the all night diapers that aren't reliable >3l diapers I'd love to try that, could last the whole day for me or at least close to that