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Liberterian Strategies To Counter Epidemics Anonymous 04/20/2020 (Mon) 19:17:24 Id: 9556fa No. 2697

Ok, since board is usually not very active, let me start a couple threads of interests.
In a libertarian society what would be the strategies to deal with an epidemic/outbreak ?
I choose this subject because it is an ideal subject to come up with solutions as it is usually thought as something to be countered from a central authority, such as border health checks restrictions etc.
We all know a libertarian society can easily switch to producing masks, drugs, medical machinery etc fast and cheap in abundance. So I thing we are all set on that point.
So about street security, health checks on borders and these required tests... who would be up to make them, in what ways etc.
Go.

It's just risk management. So health insurance companies would be the ones primarily concerned.
>>2697
- Better healthcare in general
- Private discrimination against people from infected countries, people who don't wear masks, high risk groups (niggers), etc...
- Private health organizations doing a better job at warning people than government-owned ones like the CDC/WHO
- Lower taxes and regulations = more flexible market, capable of responding to a pandemic faster = easy to start producing large amounts of medical supplies to meet sudden demand (anyone got that infograph about how hard it was to produce a tire in Nazi Germany?)
- Free masks/anti-septic/etc... given out to people on the street by companies as part of their marketing campaigns
- Private cities and private communities isolating themselves and choosing their own measures of dealing with the outbreak. If one community makes the wrong decisions, it's that community and whoever chooses to live there that will suffer, and not the whole country ruled by one centralized government

>So about street security, health checks on borders and these required tests...
>who would be up to make them, in what ways etc.
The owner of the street who collects money traffic, advertisers, or businesses connected to it.

It's also good to remind everyone that the countries dealing with the virus the best are all very free-market countries like Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong, not authoritarian shitholes like China which a) Actually cause shit like this to happen, b) Lied about it happening, and c) Continue lying about how they are dealing with it.
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>>2701
So that would be like these companies know the risk manifested itself would be paying for these services right ? (Sorry I am not experienced with insurance companies :) )
>>2702
So let's say company that is operating an airport who paid to an insurance firm for all the years know calls the firm to pay up for hiring people and equipping them with necesssary things to check people. Did I get it right ?

These are good answers. I guess it would pay off to make a sticky or something in which we pile up links to these threads (one for natural disasters, one for security etc) to use them as "argument bunkers" when somebody asks.
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Hasn't Sweden been doing absolutely nothing about this and been doing way better than everyone else?
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>>2704
That is one way it could happen. Though, it would be in the interest of a health insurance company to minimize having to make a payout at all, which could go way up during a pandemic actual. So, preceding having to make such a payout, their actions would be targeted at preventing such events and would manifest in several forms: firstly, the health insurance companies might themselves take an active role in risk mitigation (e.g. caching medical supplies and distributing them + providing medical services at site zero of a potential pandemic). Secondly, if you have the coronavirus and you decide to fly, or if you're a company that doesn't take measures to prevent workers from spreading coronavirus, your premiums might increase, just as having a long commute increases your car insurance premium due to increased likelihood of accident, or having a wood fireplace increases your home insurance premium due to increased likelihood of fire. In other words, the "social cost" of being unsafe, via premiums, goes straight back to the individuals/companies, who now have a reason to employ safety measures--AND can make use of that pricing information to decide what safety measures to take (making everybody use hand sanitizer, masks, constructing partitions, etc.). This might even apply on a blanket level to private communities who buy health insurance, where it might be in an infected community's interest to self isolate; otherwise their premiums would skyrocket.

>>2705
It depends on how much you trust everyone's numbers, since everyone has a different means of deciding that someone has died from coronavirus. I think Norway has, ostensibly, lower numbers than Sweden. But they are doing better than the pundits predicted.
>>2702
You bring up a lot of great points but I'm a little bit concerned when it comes to Singapore and South Korea. They were able to track the virus by monitoring people's cellphones. And Singapore plans on creating an app that tracks people with the coronavirus or something like that. It's got me a bit concerned since this seems like an invasion of privacy. That and I noticed a lot of governments around the world including America are using this as an excuse to erode what little civil liberties people have. Is there a way to deal with that or am I just paranoid?
>>2697
Instead of having facial mask, everyone would be able to afford getting a gas mask while angaging outdoor activity. This should be mandatory.
>>2708
Governments never let a good tragedy go to waste. In any case, it's markets that are dealing with the virus, if totalitarian measures worked, they would have worked in China and Russia and all the other countries doing them.
>>2697
I think the most overarching difference would be a more localized approach where the on the ground facts are more closely used.
For example neither rural Bavaria or Texas need the same measures as are probably sensible in New York or Paris.
I've seen people screech about libertarian answers being a copout when in my opinion this is simply an honest concede of the fact that I don't know what is best for you or what you want.
>>2708
>And Singapore plans on creating an app that tracks people with the coronavirus or something like that. It's got me a bit concerned since this seems like an invasion of privacy.
>That and I noticed a lot of governments around the world including America are using this as an excuse to erode what little civil liberties people have.
Well, governments do as governments do. They are not really accountable to anyone in the way we normally think of accountability, and so they are free to manufacture whatever excuses they want to surveil and arrest people they don't like or employ whatever authoritarian measures they desire.
>Is there a way to deal with that or am I just paranoid?
Part of the problem is that all governments, at the end of the day, exist with the implicit "consent" of the people (in that they don't start shooting at police officers when told to do something they don't want), and unfortunately a decent number of Americans have been jedi mind tricked by public education and the state media into supporting the lockdown (e.g. CNN framing state governors who refuse to impose strict measures as "refusing to act to protect their citizens"). So if there is a way to deal with that, it starts with changing people's minds. And good luck with that.
>>2724
>Americans have been jedi mind tricked by public education and the state media into supporting the lockdown (e.g. CNN framing state governors who refuse to impose strict measures as "refusing to act to protect their citizens").
Yup, yup.
>So if there is a way to deal with that
It starts with humiliating and making journalists and public school teachers social outca--
>it starts with changing people's minds.
:|

The best strategy is to do nothing. Attempting to stop Corona-chan's fun is a violation of the NAP and immoral. You don't want the viral equivalent of a McNuke headed your way just because you weren't strong enough to handle a simple cough, right?
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Good posts all around. I'll take pasta just in case.
>>2772
Do they still pave the roads?
The world used to have no cities. City-states then started appearing. City-states led to countries. Now there is a global government. Hopefully, countries will break into small villages again when everything collapses. Iceland is not a free country, but maybe small places are more likely of having peace if everyone has similar values and backgrounds and everybody knows each other.
>>2697 Free market, use an n95. Easy.
Americans say that they will just ignore the US collapse, but what will you do when the Gestapo knock down your door to give you an anal swab virus test, mandatory vaccine, and confiscate your guns? What will you do when inflation is 1 million percent and the US defaults on the debt, Civil War 2.0 starts, and looters stab people with butter knives over a can of corn? What will you do when the US starts WWIII with Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia and the nuclear bombs explode around you? This is real. Wake up.


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