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Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 12:23:03 Id: a3cfc0 No. 3903
do you guys consider him an austrian? he seemed libertarian leaning but not quite austrian especially on his opposition to the gold standard. yes i know i misspelled the filename
austrian has more to do with the preferred methodology in studying economics. You also don't oppose things in economics, you describe things. So, you could be an austrian and oppose the gold standard. Of course mainstream economics make us believe that economics should have policy prescriptions built into it, but that's just bad science. In any case he was a cool guy and his son is cool too.
>>3903 As far as I know, Friedman was actually Chicago, not Austrian. Still a cool dude, though.
Friedman is Chicago not Austrian. I like him even tho I don't agree 100% with a lot of stuff by him
>>3942 ive heard chicago is just austrian but not as extreme? is this true?
>>3961 I like to define Chicago as "Non-gold standard Austrians" but it's honestly way beyond and more complicated than this.
>>3961 >can still have a central bank how about no
>defende central banks >Austrian Why don you go read stuff instead posting retarded questions?
>>3962 Holy shit. This is actually a REALLY good one-sentence description. >>3903 I know the Austrians and Rothbard have a lot of beef with Friedman, and I can see a lot of it as sensible, I have to give old Milton a lot of credit. If it wasn't for his series "Free to Choose" I would not be posting on this board or gone through any of this journey. I'm really ashamed it hasn't been brought up yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4&list=PL4742023192B69941
>>4010 that series brought me over the edge from a small government progressive who thought that the government should regulate to give people a basic standard of living, protect the environment and nothing else. listening to it and thinking about it made me realize that while i would like if the government could do those two things and while i think its a good idea for people to try to accomplish those things voluntarily, i dont have confidence that the government could accomplish anything good even if it wanted to.
>>4024 You know, something that I feel isn't appreciated in a lot of libertarian points is how many arguments are really a libertarian wagging their finger and saying, "Careful, Icarus." Before watching Free to Choose, I was a hardcore socialist who just sort of naively believed you could plan the economy like a game of SimCity. Also, this is maybe cringy to say, but it really changed a lot of my behavior and interactions with people as well. Before, I would have been a lot more arrogant and prone to thinking, "I know what's best for this situation/person!" and especially after Hayek I found myself thinking, "Maybe there's some dispersed knowledge I'm not privy to here/let's see if George has something to say about this situation." It's not very humble of me to say this, but at least compared to what I was before, I'd say it's fair to say it's made me a lot more humble.
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>>4027 >a libertarian wagging their finger and saying, "Careful, Icarus." Fuck me, I just realized this was the OP.
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>>4027 >some people don't have a natural tendency towards free expression How did you end up in that state anon? What did they do to you?
>>4038 The schooling system is designed to do that.
>>4039 Also, I'd wager that a majority of people don't have a natural tendency towards free expression even if the schooling system didn't exist.
>>4040 Even if they didn't it wouldn't be channeled into the false god of social planning.
>>4043 I don't know what to say, I'm surprised you find this so surprising. I can see this happening quite easily.
>>4044 A planned view of the world requires a school system that creates a false hierarchy and false chains of cause-and-effect. Human beings intuitively understand that nature is chaotic being derived from it. Even if humanity can control nature, natural forces have a will of their own. The studies of science which are based on experiments of direct causation on a local scale has led to a false understanding that principles that apply to those observations should apply to a broader understanding of the whole. However as interactions scale and systems grow more complex with size this method becomes impossible to use to describe real phenomena. This applies not only to nature but to social systems. Despite humanity's advance in technological knowledge, this disconnect in the understanding of macrostructures as organic systems rather than as some simplified pyramid that emerges from a lab experiment has led to much dysfunction, nihilism, and superstition. The planner rejects what they cannot understand, in practice this means they end up rejecting reality itself when it fails to play along with the model. Keynesians can be right in the moment, they can have identified certain emergent trends in economics to play upon because they serve as proxy for the rest the system. However once they have gotten a few notes out of their instrument they find it only returns noise, because playing upon it warped the system they thought it controlled. When the Austrians propose praxeology, and catallactics as better models of understanding, the Keynesian rejects them as not being based on observable data. That ignores their ingenuity, which is based on intuitive understanding of innate and timeless trends in complex behaviour, in the manner of mathematics itself. One cannot define "oneness" or "twoness" or "multiplication" in physical terms, which has led to some to deny that mathematics exists at all. Yet its abstractions still define the observable world, which leads to the conclusion that some things are only knowable not through observation but through creative insight, privileging the natural character of man himself.
>>4045 Basedlly sayed.
>>3962 Friedman was ok with the gold standard. However, for most Chicagoans, they are utilitarian. Basically most good for the most people and if the gold standard does it, they are ok with it. I do like public choice economics.
>>3903 Only things I would hold against him are back up withholding and monetarism. However abolishing the draft makes up for that.
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