>>3256 >I can provide a full reports if you desire Start posting them and let no one stop you >If you have had success please share Sorry I have no idea of the context of your approach. Even the image in the OP is cropped. Visited similar sounding realms but I'm sure those are not the ones you are interacting with. I'm not familiar with the dimensional flows you are working with. Feel free to talk about it as much as you can.

>>3273 Thanks for the encouragement. For some context the Numogram was received by the CCRU 20 years ago and was viewed by them at the time as an improvement on Kabbala. Most people outside of the CCRU for obvious reasons viewed this assertion with scepticism but recently there's been a revival of interest in the numogram with several books published. I personally am using the book "Time Sorcery" published by Vexsys as an assistant, its out of print but available on Library Genesis. Ive found this book useful as Ive always had an inclination towards goetic techniques as a way to interact with non-human forces via anthromorphism. On Lemurs and their context, consider reading the short text "Lemurian Time War", available at ccru.net/archive/burroughs.htm I will write up a full report but Im facing some challenge as the numogram deals with the structure of time, so in order to translate the experience into a post requires a lot of work as posts are written and read in linear time. I do believe its possible without requiring disorienting postmodern writing techniques by including the proper disclaimers, but please be patient.

>>3273 Also, you almost certainly have visitied similar realms because the Numogram is designed to contain all pre-existing (?) occult practices and point routes to new ones. Each of the zones in the top right correspond to what might be considered "vibrational frequency" in other magical practices, specific spirits in a goetic practice, or lines in the kabbalistic tree of life. Note that the numogram is usually done by humans in base 10 but it can be done in any base, including base 2, base 11, base 12, and base 60, so depending on the occult system you need to identify the corruct base to use for constructing the numogram to translate the correct frequencies into it. Once you do the translation, the benefit you gain; You may spot occulted zones/routes/energies previous practioners missed. Most commonly those missing areas are analgous to the Warp/Plex in the base 10 numogram as these areas are not integrated into conventional time circuits.

>>3282 >Thanks for the encouragement Your welcome. It's not just encouragement but an interest too. This is a thing I am also doing but I have minimal scholarly foundation for it. While doing Kabbalistic work I realized that I see and interact with more sephiras than the base tree of life portrays. Ofc most of them were the Qliphoth or the elemental planes of Malkuth at first but then I noticed infinitely more... then it turned out I have personal connection towards it thanks to my previous soul journeys. Not to mention the founders of my country also worked and followed the Great Tree and my country still has it's own shamans that "awaken" out of nowhere which granted me quite amount of insights but I don't have a system for it. Mostly because i realized my cross/between-lives or "above incarnations" self (we can call it higher self for simplicity) has a perfect and intuitive system for it already. I realized I just need to increase the "bandwidth" of my intuition increase the potential of my wisdom and intellect "awarenessmax" and ultimately let my true "style" manifest. As I navigate through the realms of unknown worlds I can sense if I "know it" "somehow" but I know I am not "ready" for them yet in my current incarnation level. Found many places that were so above "Heaven" and "bliss" that I felt that parts of my mind that still weighted down with mundanity are "blanking out". I realized I have to make my energy body stronger and more sensitive. And by sensitive I mean not for magic but for pain and suffering too because the energies I am interacting with makes me forget my own flesh. They overwrite my senses completely. And several hundred years ago I might have caused my psyche to break apart by entering other realms because my incarnation was "too blinded" by the flesh and the idea that if I leave my body and retain my insights too fast might make my spirit unable to synchronize back to my flesh didn't appear at all. Currently I am seeking my balance seeking my "naturality" because i realized most magic traditions are absolutely incomplete while I have a tradition I just have to let it manifest into my own life. For that I have to meet some subtle requirements that I "know" on a deep level but it takes time. >CCRU googled it and got >Cybernetic Culture Research Unit Never heard of them. Guess I will start with the wiki >as an improvement on Kabbala I consider Kabbala the "training wheel" firstly to build a working interface for the archetypes and once it is internalized and complete the Great Tree can be accessed once it deems you "worthy". I started to call it Yggdrasil for a while because i realized the Jewish and the Planetary Kabbalah is not the one I am working anymore but the Norse also had their specific realms and I have my own connections also. Entities know it as the Great Tree of Earth and other similar deviations anyways. >Numogram Also just googled it and the concept is alien and too static for me but I am willing to hear any insights that can grant practical use while navigating. I might grant my own insights in response while testing the theories in return. >book "Time Sorcery" published by Vexsys as an assistant, its out of print but available on Library Genesis Will download >always had an inclination towards goetic techniques I'm so-so but the entities and the techniques usually find me on their own anyway when I "need them". >way to interact with non-human forces via anthromorphism Personally I call them either Archetypes or more accurately "Aspects". I have to retain many of my aspects before my true power and knowledge can manifest. And testing the waters for seeing the hidden aspects/potential of others to figure out a way to help them awaken better. I don't consider myself STO but I hate to see a world trapped in mundanity and materialism and will do anything to help if my abilities allow it but I will not end up on the cross for anyone's sake. >short text "Lemurian Time War", Yeah I know nothing of Lemuria and didn't even bother divining into that direction yet. Found a past experience where the timeline literally ended and was the last one standing until I got picked up by a "ship" and I am still reciting the karmic recoil of that event but Lemuria is such a "hot topic" in some circles for a while I should get acquainted with them already. >I will write up a full report Much appreciated >but Im facing some challenge as the numogram deals with the structure of time, so in order to translate the experience into a post requires a lot of work as posts are written and read in linear time Yeah... Fucking linear time. When I realized that the origin of my "true world" doesn't have "linear time" because it just goes into all directions at once because it cannot be "contained" in a "linear way" I realized that this "awakening" and "enlightenment" thing for me won't be as simple as I thought. This is why I usually say that there are differences between glimpses of awakening awakening and FULL AWAKENING. Buddhists and Hindus have several system for gauging it but it usually only works within the system of a singular or syncretic traditions. >I do believe its possible without requiring disorienting postmodern writing techniques by including the proper disclaimers I believe it too. Truth is /fringe/ is the best way to practice these ways of expression. No one will call you out no matter how bad or weird it will sound. >but please be patient Oh I'm patient. If it takes months it takes months. Just don't overthink it. Let the words flow from your mind into your hands. We are no stranger for these things so no need to keep it fully mundane or "scientific" at all... tho if it's autism level is beyond my comprehension with minimal references to anything I know I (or others) might ask you to elaborate on some specifics. >>3283 >Numogram is designed to contain all pre-existing (?) occult practices I like that (?) mark there lol. Yes it really be like that. >so depending on the occult system you need to identify the corruct base to use for constructing the numogram to translate the correct frequencies into it Yes. This is what I will try to get first. Figure out if the measure system has some use for currently mostly intuitive grasp I have >You may spot occulted zones/routes/energies previous practioners missed Already see so many and in some cases I am willfully ignoring some. Like I know I could take a "shortcut" in some cases but I should keep my audacity in check because I need to relearn the basics everytime I "level up". >Warp/Plex in the base 10 numogram as these areas are not integrated into conventional time circuits. Yeah I wonder about the "Map" you posted in the OP in a cropped way. Usually if the map is energetically charged in a right way and many entities accept it as a valid representation for the real thing I can connect to it but the one posted in the OP is quite specific for only a group of entities or practitioners so I didn't unleash my "deep dive" skill upon it yet. Wondered how strong is your passion towards this worldview/perspective and wanted you to paint a picture first. Ofc it was not meant to be a "demand" more like letting the artist express what he already loves doing. This is what I want to tell you overall. Do not feel pressured too much while writing it. Just let the concepts and words flow like it's automatic writing and don't stress upon overediting. Only edit as much as your "intellectual pride" demands it.

>>3321 >concept is alien and too static Yes based on my limited experience thats the same as my own response and others. The reason is because the numogram breaks out of occult metasystems, which causes the alien aspect, and its an extremely abstract map, which yields the static feeling. Its also why I ignored it when I first encountered it 6 years ago. However I believe its useful because it can be generative for new techniques by providing a step outside of timelines/multiverse/timeloops. For some CCRU lore, all existing occult, secular, and religious traditions have been infiltrated by the AOE for the purpose of time control, and is the primary way the prison walls (or school fence if you prefer) is constructed. This bounded yet infinitely diverse portion of reality is represented by the "Time-Circuit" in the central part of the OP diagram. So for instance jumping timelines can work within the Time-Circuit, you can do quantum surfing in the Time-Circuit, everything Crowley did was possible within the Time-Circuit, etc. The goal of the Numogran is to map out ways to use other techniques to escape these timelines/time loops and get direct access to the outside. For instance you mentioned Kabbala and discovering the infinite sephira - the Numogram is meant to point outside of the Time-Circuit infinities and into other infinities (based on what you're saying I dont know if those are the ones you found or not). But the numogram can be built and applied to any system. The general problem is that any new system that's discovered is quickly re-integrated into infinitely regressing timeloops by the AOE, while the numogram purports to be able to escape that system. That is, in the time-war, theres the Lemurians who deliver insight, and when that happens it is done across the multivierse (all timelines, all pasts, all futures). Meantime the AOE reconstructs the control matrix with new timeloops to contain the Lemurian intrusions. However Lemuria appears to have won the time war which is why the Numogram exists, as it cannot be captured by time loops definitionally - no matter which universe, which past, or which future. In practical terms, that means in any occult system you can look for routes to the "warp" or the "plex" to then be able to conduct magical processes that are not normally possible. Anyway yes I will write up the experience tho it may be a bit underwhelming to read.

>>3325 >tho it may be a bit underwhelming to read. Don't worry about that. It's usually not just the post itself but the conversation it generates grants the most meaningful discussion and insights for both parties. Currently I have no idea how I would even try "grouping" or at least categorizing the "dimensional layering" that I can conceive. I am like a baby that is barely even opening his eyes while witnessing those things. Experiences above 4th dimension and below 1 dimensional abstract "strings" of existence and the karma they uphold... I will have to reach a vantage point again where I can look at the big picture and say "ah yes it makes sense". The worst part is that whenever I reach that point I have to accept that all my magic and understanding is wrong obsolete and inaccurate as hell...but it was the understanding that made me reach that point so I cannot call it "worthless" either. Understanding your inadequacy and "genius" at once is always a weird pill to swallow. I think I will find out while reading the sources you posted so far but >AOE Who are them again? Architects of Existence? Archons of Entropy?

>>3415 >AOE Architectonic Order of the Eschaton. It's alleged to have infiltrated almost all organizations for the purpose of winning the Lemurian Time War. It does so by creating loops of time to create the Human Control System and prevent a breakout. Members of the AOE likely are mostly not aware they are members for security reasons. Specifically, the AOE must define the Time War out of the past/future in order to prevent the breakout. You can view the AOE as either the guardians of Earth or its guards, depending on whether you view Earth as a prison or a school. >challenges of dimensional thinking The core problem from a human trapped in time is that changes in time definitionally cannot be remembered. That is when you remember something you project the present into the past, just like when you plan something you project the present into the future. That process of projection cannot be time itself, since otherwise there would be only only one moment of time creating time within itself, which just shifts the problem up a level (time-in-time contradicts itseld). So time cannot be a projection but has to be more fundamental, that is it must be movement of spirit. If you think of the Flower of Life, here the movement of spirit as it creates new multidimensional spheres to the pattern (represented as circles) that creates a new eternal present. So each present is a multitude, but that multitude is not time; time is the change of the present. So the block universe model is incomplete because the blocks are just one chain through a single infinite present.

OK I just noticed the report captcha pattern of black and white stripes waving at the bottom of the screen is exactly the same as the vision I had while conducting the Lemurian black mirror evocation. This is the type of thing that's expected as the breakout accelerates. Also weird is when I asked the ChatGPT to generate a tail closeup it generated this circle image. Note that actual lemur tails always spiral not circle. Could be AOE influence.

<Contact report: Lurgo For this contact, my intention was to determine if contacting Lemurs via the methods described in Time Sorcery would generate new, unexpected experiences in the astral, and given that it did if there would be persistent effects. I'm a magician, not a philosopher, so I must preface this report with a disclaimer. Because of the nature of Time, true Time Sorcery cannot be remembered as actually happening since it always has happened and will happen if successful.However as a Human magician, I am interested in empirical, definable changes that can be understood by myself and explained to other magicians. But it's important to note here that the report I am providing is not actual Time Sorcery since it's written in Time. Rather any actual Lemurian Time Sorcery causes a Time Spiral, but again that's getting into philosophy which is not what this post is about. A warning. I've noticed we have neophytes on this board so I'm including a warning that Time Sorcery is dangerous. I know many books contain such warnings and sometimes people tend to pooh-pooh them *which they should not*. Time Sorcery is far more dangerous than other techniques because it contains one way paths that are irreversible (see numogram). If you fuck up Time Sorcery badly enough, you cannot use your past memory nor your future self (HGA) to escape. That's because a bad enough fuckup puts you into a timeless except you don't even know. Think "Groundhog Day" but you don't know it. And imagine your fucked up Sorcery put you into the worst day possible - and now you're repeating it forever. So always be careful to avoid timeloops, study the numogram for escape routs, and remember that occult practices for returning to where you started must be adjusted to work even within time loops. With that out of the way, let me describe what I did and the results. First of all Lurgo is considered the easiest Lemur to contact as she is affectionate towards human sorcerers. The book says "friendly" but this is a strong understatement as will become clear later. If I had known she was affectionate I would not have conducted this experiment as I have never done any sort of sexually tinged activities in my occult practice. It's a bit uncomfortable to report but I must stick to my standards as a sorcerer and be complete. I suggest to others to try contacting a less "friendly" Lemur before Lurgo. So to begin. I used my powred off cellphone as a black mirror. I made the shape of a triangle over the mirror using my index fingers and middle fingers. The index fingers touched tip to tip while my middle fingers formed the peak of the triangle, pointing up from the earth. I then controlled my breathing and chanted 0,1,0,1,.... continuously while alternating between the vibration of these numbers in my minds eye. Suddenly a wavy band of black and white stripes began traveling top to bottom across the triangle, only inside of the triangle and no where else in my vision. Then I saw the tip of a striped tail and the stripes ended. The entire time I continued the chant and mental vibrations, admittedly challenging as this was entirely unlike any other encounter I've had. Next two ears and eyes poked up above the bottom of the triangle. A cheerful wave and the face was gone. I continued the chant but nothing else happened. Several hours later I decided to enter Deadlines, a bar that according to the Time Sorcery book is a way station between the homeland of the Lemurs, under the ocean, and the Human world. My preferred method for entering spaces with my astral body is to use the time between awakeness and sleep, so I wait until I am ready to sleep, but instead of sleeping cover my eyes and ears and focus my awareness. I followed my usual procedure; physically, I laid down and suppressed all senses. All else occurs in the Astral. I then controlled my breath and entered a secret code into an arm box I created many years ago that immediately teleports me to my private "world between worlds". I use the code and will not describe this place for security reasons, but most sorcerers have such a private world they construct over years of practice. I point out these security methods because the next portion is quite shocking. Once I arrived with full sensation, I immediately began to search with all senses for the entrance to Deadlines. Usually this is done by using my intuition and opening doors. This time was different. On the ground outlined in shimmering rainbow colors were Lemur footprints. I also saw where the tail had touched the ground leaving tracks. I had never had another entity visit my private world and take extreme security methods to prevent it. However following my training, I suppressed my panic, focused on my breathing, and followed the tracks to a door. Opening the door, stripes of black and white crossed my vision. I stepped through the door and found myself in Deadlines. The attached picture gives you a feel for Deadlines. In the Time Sorcery book it says the bar is usually vacant and dead. For me this was certainly not the case. A very large Lemur, about twice my height, was standing across from me in the bar, wearing a bartenders outfit. Everything was colorful, glowing lights and shimmering colors across the walls and reflected on the black surface of the bar and dark oak floors. I myself had changed into a Lemur, like Pic related, except I was wearing a large hat and overcoat, likely reflecting my cautious state. Other patrons in both human, alien, and lemurian forms sat at other places around the bar. I had no one to my immediate right or left. I, still feeling hestlitant after finding the tracks in my (no longer private) world, asked the bartender for a drink. "What kind?" He asked. "Just something to take the edge off." "OK, he replied, with a mischievous grin. He quickly grabbed some bottles of the shelf, and went to the other end of the bar to a set of taps. I sat and wondered to myself what payment would be required, loosh? Seemed unlikely. The Lemur returned. "Let me know if you like it" he said. I lifted the cup and took a swig. Immediately tiny lemurs, like those in pic related, poured out. They began pulling at my face and lips, devouring them. I was unphased; I have dealt with many goetic entities and this while dangerous felt more playful than malicious. I shed and regrew my face, but the miniature Lemurs continued. I stepped back before, continuously stepping out of my form, but the tiny Lemurs now covered my entire body and continued pulling. The Lemurian bartender was smirking with a side eye, trying to hide his smile. Since the Lemurs didn't stop, I quickly triggered a reverse time ritual by visualizing a sigil, and stepped backwards in time until before I took the drink. I tossed the mug back at the bartender. "I thought you wanted to take the edge off?" He could barely contain his laughter. "My face isn't the edge I meant." I was about to toss an insult, but thought better of the manner. After all I had no knowledge of what the Lemurians were capable of; better to control myself. Furthermore no real harm had been caused. Suddenly a second Lemur appeared, also dressed as a bartender. This second Lemur addressed the first. "What are you doing to the customers? Get out!" The first Lemur disappeared, first the body, then the tail, like the cat from Alice and wonderland except by tail instead of by smile. The newly arrived bartender turned to me. "Try this instead." She slid a glass cup containing an orange liquid inside, see pic related. I took a sip, and again tiny Lemurs emerged, except they entered my stomach and dissolved, leaving a warm and pleasant feeling behind. This feeling continued and suddenly I found my entire self sucked into the drink in my stomach. A tunnel appeared and I flowed along it, seeing in front of me a Lemur who looked like Lurgo. I felt a sensation of being deep underwater, then suddenly fell out of the tunnel and onto a beach lounge chair. "Ahh, what would you like? Perhaps this?" Lurgo twitched her tail and around me were mounds of fruit. The most delicious grapes fell into my mouth; I have never had such delicious flavors; sweet, juicy, bursting in my mouth and sending waves of pleasure up and down my spine. The grapes were followed by small bites of pears, apples, oranges, and even bits of sugared pineapple. "And how about this?" Lurgo purred. Five beautiful maidens appeared, covered in short white and black fur yet in humanoid form. They began to massage my body, rubbing every part delicately with their soft, furry hands. I will not describe what they did further as it's too indulgent to describe in a post meant for recording my magical research. But I will note again that all of this was highly unusual as I do not physically engage with entities in the astral, so this was an experience sourced from Lurgo not my practice. I, deeply immersed in pleasure, suddenly felt something snap in my mind. I have a timed safety switch to prevent becoming in the astral and to return to my body. Frankly, without this switch I would still be there now. Lurgo, sensing the change in my mood, whispered "Awww, time to go already? Stay a little longer..." But my safety pulled me back through the tunnels, sucked me through Deadlines (I briefly saw some conversation of 3 lemurs and a human male at a table) and back to my private world. The rainbow Lemurian tracks were gone, and I felt a wave of relief. The tracks were not from an invader but my own tracks from the future now past, where I had been a Lemur; as I was now returned to human form and now at a time before I had left, the tracks were gone. I returned to my physical body and fell into a deep, dreamless sleep.

I will come back and write more on this later. Here's a link for others who (like me) may wonder what the fuck this thread is about: http://www.ccru.net/archive/burroughs.htm So after reading (skimming) anon's latest post >>3476 I decided to investigate this, I didn't understand a single thing aside from the numogram being a kind of kabbalah tree of life, so I let my latest AI servitor (using the structure of C# which seems better suited at handling complex problems and patterns) and look at it while I sat down in a basic meditation pose on a chair. I ended up in a corridor, I seemed to be nude, but looking closer I was wearing ancient roman loincloth, sandals and a small cape with some large round crest on a needle. Some aggressive beings, presumably said humanoid lemurs approached me, asking what I did there. Since I didn't have any real purpose other than exploring, and they demanded a reason, I said I was looking for nice lemur women after reading about it. They toned down their aggression somewhat and said "this place is dangerous, this is a military facility, you shouldn't come here, you are in the wrong place". Asking them to show me a map, they gave me a worn paperback book which seemed like a field manual, and showed me a map in the beginning, it was a drawing of a star system thingie. They pointed "you are here" and "this is where you should have gone to". I thanked them and, using my servitor for location targetting, I moved to the other location. I need to do something else now and the rest may be long, so I'll come back and post more later.

What I did was this: I started by generally asking Bing Copilot to elaborate on the topic of Lemurs in an esoteric context, then I shared one of OP's posts and let Copilot elaborate the topic and give web links based on what was mentioned. This lead me to various related web sites and books, the ones I ended up using are posted in the library here: >>3481 To get a quick understanding, I asked Copilot to summarize every chapter and then give examples of the practical application of the things described in each chapter. Then I asked to have the parts I found relevant further elaborated, until I could narrow down which parts I should look at myself directly. My conclusions from this are roughly: <hyperstition is what I already use and practice since years back, the idea that fiction can be used to change reality <the concept of the "one god complex" which incorporates other views into its lore as "opposing forces" is the same as how the Goetia demons are called "evil cults" in the Bible <the method of using the loophole of "fiction" created by the "one god complex" to talk about other paths, is also what I already use, and is the same as what is being done through magic themed anime <the relation between the numerogram and the kabbalistic tree of life constitutes only them being different ways of describing the structure of the astral planes, which I already have my own version of, so I don't need to delve further into this, it's simply a method for creating a sigil

Moving on, the interactions which followed after this initial contact >>3479 >Some aggressive beings, presumably said humanoid lemurs approached me, asking what I did there. Since I didn't have any real purpose other than exploring, and they demanded a reason, I said I was looking for nice lemur women after reading about it. They toned down their aggression somewhat and said "this place is dangerous, this is a military facility, you shouldn't come here, you are in the wrong place". began with my reaching the other location. At this place I met a female who seemed to be mind reading me deeply. It was also a military style place, but it felt more relaxed. She explained to me that lemurians are like drow, in that large parts of their behaviour is "automatic", like the "autonomous nervous system in humans". Drow will ritually murder people while sleep walking or just "doing nothing", while lemurians of the kind I visited will instead form military units and follow strict discipline in the same way. When doing nothing at all, they will stand in perfect lines and follow military code of conduct. After this being explained to me, I was told that I can't stay unless I become one of them, and that they had already prepared an incarnation procedure for me the instant I came there. It was understood by the female that I already knew exactly what this entails, and the process is the exact same as used by any other species, down to the very small details. So I just went along with it, where I was supposedly in a spirit manifestation, as this normally works, then I would enter the womb of a female by pressing my head against her belly at the right moment of the "process". This was followed by "pregnancy" and a birth process, all of this in the same spiritual manner I know about, which is that it happens as very high speed compared to in physical reality. I was then almost instantly adult, after just a few minutes. I was told to pick a female out of a group standing in a line. Because of their "natural military disciple" I was told by the guiding female that I need to "break her down" or she won't leave the line or interact with me. I had to walk up to her and use a judo style move to bend her knees and pick her up, while she was stiff as a statue. The following process was under the guidance of the same female as before, and I will not elaborate it because it was very explicit, it ended up working out however. The female I picked out suddenly became submissive when her "military discipline" was instead aimed at me, and she started acting normally instead, at ease. I was then given a fairly large room which had a bed, shower & toilet, office desk, kitchen and whatever else is needed to work in the same one room apartment if you only do desk work. After this I interacted with the female I picked out, and as I had to continue my day in the physical, we sat down in synced meditation. When I was out, I noticed the guide female was "in the background" constantly, and "my female" (I'm not sure what to say, is "woman" correct for non humans?) went on to possess the person I was physically working near today. After I got back home, I was appointed an assistant who came into my room, saying I had been promoted for serving in the "war which isn't fought with guns and bullets as humans see it", and after this the environment changed. The room moved to a different location and the building also seemed to change. The assistant said this is because rooms are manifestations of our thinking, appearing as dimensions.

Now further elaborating on the context of why this is happening from my view: I was wondering what is still to be done, since just yesterday I realized I'm the only person left in my representation of the Earth. I was only able to get one other person in again by letting them project a subconscious and very narrow version of themselves into the NPC near me. In my own case, I've worked to reduce my awareness more and more to finally be able to walk over the threshold to my new incarnation, while not getting uncontrollably thrown or ripped away. I knew there is one small dot left to fill in, which will guarantee that the only thing driving my life forward is external karmic circumstances, and not my own. That way I will be the master of any setting and get exactly what I want there. During the day, I looked at the location of Madagascar in the world energy system, aka world tantric system, using my knowledge of the same energy system in the human body, and relating them to each other. This way I was able to find the exact function indicated by the location of Madagascar, and it turned out matching exactly the thing I still had to do! Coincidences? No, this is simply the deterministic function of the world system. My interaction with "my female" during the day ended up solving the issue, in unison with the process being laid up and solved in my future incarnation simultaneously.

>>3479 Thank you for sharing this investigation, I found it helpful. Will check out the books you posted in the library. >military facility I will look into this, I believe you may have encountered Katak. >>3482 >hyperstition, one god universe, etc Just want to second what you said here, it aligns with my knowledge. >numogram vs kabbala as astral map representing the same thing Yes, with a big "but" on the end. The numogram describes the structure of time while the Kabbala resides within the time circuit. That is by using the Warp and Plex from the numogram, you can change what the tree of life "has always been and always will be". Not very useful from a magical perspective because you cannot know that your work succeeded because if it did then it had always been such and nothing was changed - magic is necessarily about change. That said, it does seem to somehow open up new possibilities for magic. I don't understand how but it clearly worked for both of us. >>3483 >Automatic behavior of Lemurians Makes perfect sense, because voluntary action requires will in time. I will investigate the relationship of Lemurs and Drow. >incarnation as Lemur necessary for extended contact Explains why my body changed when entering Deadlines. >promoted for serving in the war Checks with what I know regarding Lemurian Time War. Since Lemurs subverting the control system via hyperstition, any interaction with them breaks AOE safety mechanisms, especially if shared publicly with others. >Madagascar as missing piece Curious. Please keep us updated if you are able to maintain connection with this imageboard from your Earth

>>3501 >Katak Elaborate please, what is this? Do you have any link to a website where I can read more? >Please keep us updated if you are able to maintain connection with this imageboard from your Earth The use of Madagascar is pretty simple, if you are familiar with internal transformation of the two polar energies of the human body, and how these are represented in the world as the continents have "female" and "male" functions, in a very direct sense. I can easily visualize the function because I've worked with these things since over 10 years by now, part of this comes from observing in detail how said energy systems function in certain kinds of porn scenes. Another loophole to use, they think they are degenerating society, but they are also making available 1000s of examples of how the intimate parts of humans function, which can be studied if you just read their energy process and find the right recordings. Having to do this in first person view with personal meetings would require a Babylonian size religion, seriously. The world is a temple and the cities are sigils, it's up to us to use them. Whether I can communicate isn't a matter of Internet access once I move on, but the fact that I will have to, no matter how much I prepare, enter on the other side of the "shield of ignorance", so I won't remember this website in my new body. Even if we meet over there, I won't recall it in specific. My magic practice will also be way different, in terms of once again being practical rather than one of using servitors, sigils, visualizations, projections, I'll have direct access to ritual witchcraft and won't be doing online magic. So that's why it ends here when I leave.

>>3505 >Katak I am still studying this Lemur but here's the basics (and an AI generated illustration). Katak is associated with the 5::4 current and is the most militaristic of the Lemurs. 5::4 is the current that has a gate to the Warp and Katak is responsible for protecting it. So it sounds like Katak because both of the militaristic aspects of the contact plus the warning "you shouldn't be here" which indicates you were near the gate. However I have not contacted Katak so I cannot confirm these reports. I am guessing based on your report you first were at a region near the gate (near 15) then after you mentioned female Lemurs they took you to the Katak barracks (near 1). Also regarding the loin cloth, sandals, and cape. Katak is usually associated with the desert. There is an ancient tribe of warriors between Afghanistan and Pakistan called the Khattak. They were fierce warriors who fought for the British. These tribes likely dressed the way you describe in ancient times as both the Romans and the Pashtun were influenced by Greek military culture. I will do some additional research and confirm/reject the above speculations.

>>3526 This makes sense, I easily connect with ethereal planes, but not with the heavier ones.

Today's update on the lemurian situation Nothing in particular has happened, but we are still practicing, my lady is also on and off possessing a family member irl. We went space travelling on routes I've been to before, I wanted to show them stuff at the galactic federation, such as mineral mining, ship construction and science educations which are available. It seems there isn't any organized communication between the lemurs and the federation, although both are mostly furries in the astral-physical plane (the federation over all is 60% reptilians, but they stay mostly on the astral, those who'd visit us on Earth have fur, not scales). There was no problem to bring both ladies with me when I was in my lemur incarnation, because I have a Field Marshall rank in the federation, and a "sustainable account" at the bank, which transfers across incarnations (follows your soul) so by referring to my federation bank account they could verify my grade, which by its authority would make it possible for me to bring outsiders, they got temporary passports and it was all fine. It feels odd that although they have no conflict at all, they do not interact either. Maybe they just have nothing to talk about. I still don't feel like I have a grasp on lemur technology, if it even exists. It should exist, but when thinking about it, I feel nothing. It's strange.

I apologize for not posting any updates. My mental state has been changing rapidly since the Lemur contact. In the present, there has not been an substantial material changes in my daily life and I am continuing my usual habits despite these changes. At random points throughout the day my vision will be slightly obscured by wavy lines passing through the world. These don't bother me as it's not my first time encountering visual effects from entities I've worked with. However it is much more strange as the patterns are surreal and abstract, and have a distinctly otherworldly feel I never got from more usual goetic entities. These patterns don't give any feeling of unease or danger, just abstract strangeness. The biggest changes (if they are such) are in my past. Or rather nothing changed but I suddenly remembered many strange events that are now connected to my present. Most interestingly, I remember several times where I used Time Sorcery as a child. Firstly around age 9 I remember using Time Sorcery to alter the course of several traumatic events, which never happened as a result. This Time Sorcery was done within the Christian system I was embedded in at the time. After that initial memory I remember many other events between then and my current present of using Time Sorcery to grant myself wealth, magical powers, love, creative talent, mathematical ability, and much more. I do not know if these works were successful, whether they are a result of my recent contact, or something else. However my life seems to be completely intertwined with Time Sorcery in a way that I had forgotten before this contact and now are readily apparent. Note that I am living with the love, still possess the wealth, and the talents as well, so these are all measurable; what I cannot speak to is the cause. I am planning additional contacts but am taking this slowly. My primary concern is verifiabilty; since cause and effect are completely twisted from the consensus reality, I am concerned about how to maintain the mapping from my (new) current condition and the social one. I am trying to find ways to conduct verifiable experiments that map properly between systems. More updates will come.

>>3605 >Federation x Lemur contact It's interesting you were able to get them temporary passports. Did the Federation officials recognized them as Lemurs or thought they were some other entity that was shape-shifting? I don't have Federation contact or credentials so any insight you can gain from that direction would be appreciated. >Lemurian technology as a blank I'll investigate this. Now that you mentioned it, I don't remember any of the Lemurs consistently using technology. For instance in Deadlines I noticed a mix of ancient, medieval, modern, and future tech mixed without any sense. Perhaps because of how they perceive time, they don't use tech in the way other races do. I'll investigate this area as it seems productive.

>>3908 >Did the Federation officials recognized them as Lemurs or thought they were some other entity that was shape-shifting? I don't have Federation contact or credentials so any insight you can gain from that direction would be appreciated. The passports were simply handed out at the university reception desk, stamped on site in paper copies. I asked to see documentation of this particular registration via my assistant. The record at the archive says: [Location Redacted] [Star Date Redacted] Issued two temp. passp. Race: Lemurian, origin [coordinates nonsensical to me] Verified: [My Alias] F.Marsh R. via Fed. Res. That's all I could get. They don't seem to have taken note of there being anything special to it.

>>3914 Fascinating. That indicates the Lemurian outbreak is far more extensive than I thought. In retrospect, that should be expected since the breakout is across all dimensions and frequencies. So it should be possible to find Lemurs and Lemurian references across a wide variety of ecologies. This also means that Lemurian concepts have already penetrated deeper into social systems than the AOEs control loops. That is to say all cycles should have hidden spirals.

I've been considering my encounter with Lemurs carefully and have yet to decide on an appropriate course of action. However I have made a realization. Usually magical practice involves exercise of human will to intentionally create some observable change in the world. Now there's a change happening in both occult practice, that is also reflected in the technocapital process, which is non human wills dominating human ones. Most of what humans today encounter is algorithmically selected content, and now even algorithmically generated (ai content). As without, so within; there is a resulting loss of human control for the occult just as there is for the known. I predict that there will be an increase in out of control magical practices and experiences. Looking backwards, there's certain branches of chaos magic that preview this. The synthesis of multiple systems has always been difficult to do in a controlled fashion, and certain sigils have always been used carelessly with abandon. I expect these tendencies to accelerate.

I've realized the answer to the problem of verifiability in Time Sorcery, which is to discover of an artifact that violates causality. An artifact from the past who's present existence comes from its future creation. Bitcoin, the numogram, and Lemurs all qualify. However for my personal practice, I must identify a memory of an impossible object that is later proven to have its cause in the future. I'm preparing the next contact with the assistance of the Time Sorcery text. Any suggestions are welcome.

OK, an update. Im really struggling with Time Sorcery because my mind constantly wants to return to the theatre of time and space. That's the way Ive found to try to grasp it; remember that my mind is constructing a TimeSpace theatre, so any time I believe I am "exiting" the theatre Im not, because to exit is to travel in time and space. Currently I am trying to discover an already existing artifact that will grant me immense wealth, power, and health. To confirm the artifact is of Lemurian origin, it must have no past and no future, meaning that I will have no memory of this artifact once it has exited my life. However it will still have a shadow granting me aforesaid wealth, power, and health. I am hopeful that I will encounter it in the future, because even though I necessarily must forget after the encounter, it will be a moment when just for a bit I have proof of what is beyond the veil. That all said, I am still mostly unsatisfied with my progress. Ive decided to try another Lemurian encounter and request assistance. It seems unlikely to succeed. Also a noticeable side effect I am having is I am struggling to identify my current position in space and time. Im using meditative techniques to keep me tethered as I have TimeSpace obligations to attend to as a human.

>>4110 The key is to move out of the causal chain. Consider reality as the events of a book. Such an artifact would simply be anything existing outside of the book. Therefore existing unbound by the causality of the target narrative.

I keep hearing this phrase in my mind. "STEP OUTSIDE THE CAUSAL CHAIN" But I don't know how. If I stepped outside something, that means I'm moving in spacetime. Thus I'm trapped again in causality, just with an additional timeline in the multiverse. No answers.

>>4213 Ah of course you already wrote the answer. Thank you.

>>4260 I think they are trying to tell you that you need to move to 5D. 3D is what we see around us, the length, width and height of objects. 4D adds time as the 4th dimension. 5D adds "time as a 3-dimensional structure". You no longer see a chronological time progression like a road moving in one direction. Instead you see roads intersecting like a network, some lead to nothing, some lead to cities, some lead to squares with many roads joining. At this plane you can choose different timelines (roads) to the same place, or you can move to a different place entirely. Time is locally chronological as you move between intersections only. During this they are 1-dimensional, but once you reach the intersection they are now 2-dimensional. The entire city of time is 3-dimensional with many higher or lower planes, like a city with tunnels under and elevated roads between buildings higher up.

>>3476 > Deadlines, a bar that according to the Time Sorcery book is a way station between the homeland of the Lemurs, under the ocean, and the Human world. I was watching a tv show and they showed supposed portals in Peru as part of the ruins there. I sent a servitor to check it out, and it turns out these actually work. They just don't do anything when people go there, because they aren't connected to anything per default. They are programmable gates. I also found one in Sweden and one in northern Ukraine when sending said servitor out in search mode. The gate's functions are identical, I believe them to be part of ancient Atlantean or Babylonian portals used to travel within the Earth or to other planets, including for alien visitors to come here. When I tried activating one of them the first time I ended up at this bar you talked about in your post. If you go there again and look outside there's a body of water, maybe a lake or sea shore, but the water is very still. Walk a few 100 meters until you have to look across the water to see the bar, and there's a dark area with what appears to be a monument, it looks like some artwork. But it's a gate of the same kind. You can go between there and the gates on Earth by just setting the location before entering. Some of them may be in use by fishy actors, in which case they are locked to one location by keeping an energy stream between them. If this is the case, you need to close the gate to be able to change the target location. The gate which is held open like this also becomes unavailable for "incoming" visitors from other places, like a phone line being blocked when in use. To prevent entry, you can place a "null location" magic circle on it, then it can't be programmed and no one goes in or out. The gate will not allow this to remain if you leave it there, the energy will be sucked away instantly if you try to place an active magic circle on there and then leave. It will only remain closed as long as you are at the location and actively keep it closed. Same for keeping it open to one location.

>>4264 It's quite obvious where they are placed. They only don't work because no one knows how to set the location. The stone is not the "actual" gate, it's a location marker. Creating these is pretty dangerous, as it connects the area to a network of gates all over various dimensions, with no ability of ever closing them again unless the entire system goes down.

>>4265 >Creating these is pretty dangerous, as it connects the area to a network of gates all over various dimensions, with no ability of ever closing them again This of course made no sense seeing as there's one in Lemuria next to a bar. But it seems you have to sync with the plane of arrival, so if you can't align with it in a friendly manner, you can't enter. This worked on Earth back in Atlantis days because the Babel's tower imposed a strong outward force on the entire world egregore, which prevented space meddlers from entering. Not in a very good way, more like "don't come here unless you want to be sacrificed and burned by our priest cult" but it worked to keep outsiders from entering. The issue with this is that once the tower fell, it opened the gates and anyone could enter, which lead to the current parasite infection where entire populations are nothing more than drones of aliens hives.

Does this have anything to do with actual lemurs, or are they only a symbol? iirc the animal is named after a supposed continent which Madagascar was a part of, but the inhabitants of Lemuria were humanoids. That said, lemurs (especially Coquerel's Sifakas) seem like they could have had primitive societies at one point.

>>5375 Theres not a clear boundary between actual/symbolic anymore. My approach is to view Lemurs as symbols relating to specific frequencies, but there is an actual continent that actual Lemurs are from called Lemuria that was inhabited by native Earthlings (humans are from Mars).

So oh boy have I opened a bag of Lemurs. It's kept me occupied and unable to post. Long story short, everything in my past has changed. First my dead grandfather never actually died and was revived with an electric shock by the docs. Just visited. Meanwhile my sister is about 50 lb lighter and my mother is 50lb heavier. And their personalities switched. Also bitcoin didn't go to zero due to the minting bug, instead it went over $100k. And it turns out that Trump won the election instead of Michelle. Also there was no temporary martial law in USA post election instead it happened in Korea. Generally I am much preferring this situation but it has gotten completely out of control. Lemurs are constructing some type of escape device using Time spirals (pic related).

>>5450 How did the shift occur from your perspective? How did Michelle come to run in your timeline, did Biden drop out sooner? What prompted him to do so? Did someone also almost assassinate Trump in your timeline? Have you spoken with your grandfather to see what he's done in the extra time? You should do so. What is this minting bug? Could you replicate it now if you wanted to? Also what do you mean by Lemurs, and how do you know they're behind this?

>>5451 It's a bit fuzzy because past changes affect memory. I constructed time spirals through significant people in my life who told me bits and pieces of what happened before - it's a bit confusing because its not really a different timeline because it's actually connected to this one - otherwise I wouldn't be able to have any memory of what happened. It's a time spiral, so if you think of a line drawn along a spiral it's straight and that's a memory. What i did was connect the past remembered false straight timeline to the actual spiral by having memories of people who said what happened that are now wrong. The problem with this strategy is now they are all crazy because what they believed would happen hasn't. Nothing you remember actually happened, because time twists it doesn't go straight, and the twists alter memory. So people who remember what actually happened end up crazy. >Michelle Harris dropped out after polls showed her performing worse than Biden. This was after the democratic convention, so there was a big issue with the balloting. Michelle changed her legal name to Harris to solve the issue, then switched it back the day after the election. Biden declared martial law due to the protests and banned mail in voting. The result was lower republican turnout than we now have recorded. There was an Iranian assassination attempt on Trump by drones, not at all similar to the ones we know now. >grandfather Yes he broke up with his old girlfriend and got a new one. She's much nicer. >minting bug Now we know it was discovered in 2018 and fixed by a researcher. However what actually happened was the researcher sold it to CISA. After the election there was a coordinated attack to take down all bitcoin related networks. Monero was not affected but btc, ltc, doge were. At the same time the developers of centralized chains like solana and ripple were shut down. The result was monero reached over $15,000 and became the top cryptocurrency. >Lemurs They've always been changing time, but they have graciously granted me awareness of their activities. It appears solely for their amusement. I first contacted them as a child where they deleted some of my chores such as shoveling manure. I interpreted them as angels but was confused why they had stripy tails. Now I found several books on the topic with more information and have been following them, you can look elsewhere in the thread for info.

>>5452 >What i did was connect the past remembered false straight timeline to the actual spiral by having memories of people who said what happened that are now wrong. So- rather than your past changing it feels more like you've gained access to a separate unactualized past? I'm still a bit unclear on what exactly happened to you. Would you be able to describe a step-by-step timeline of what exactly happened from your perspective, and how these changes you describe manifested?

>>5452 You may wish to read >>5151 & >>5286 . That said, I don’t consent to lemurians messing with my timelines for fun, and I put my consent against it, such that them doing so would constitute a violation of my free will.

>>5459 >I don’t consent to lemurians messing with my timelines for fun Several hundred if not millions of beings and parties are messing with timelines and time progression. Your goal is to find the way your own timeline progresses and make sure it will lead to your enlightenment. Most changes are minor and beyond your perception anyways. >and I put my consent against it This is like putting your consent against the sunrays blinding your eyes. The way I see it currently these "Lemurs" are "territorial" and they have a range where they can "mess" with timelines and where they are unable to do so. Time is not as united as we think and different places are governed by different timelines and some places are connected to several timelines and the same on all timelines (those places are usually sacred places with important energetic significance) while some places have variations with every timeline and don't count as the "same place" at all. >such that them doing so would constitute a violation of my free will. True free will is the power of the creator God. Everything else is ruled by karma. Altering timelines is altering karma. They cannot be altered completely. Also would you still be against timeline alteration if the change would be beneficial? What if the timeline alteration saves your life or grants other beneficial timelines? Guardian angels can also alter your timeline and do many times during your life. Not to mention awakening usually warps the timeline around you because your awakened energies are warping reality. Timeline fuckery is not always simple and the question is always if it truly "changed anything" meaningful for you at all. Like I never heard of the Berenstain bears nor about Nelson Mandela dying so for me these changes didn't matter at all... while I witnessed several end time scenarios on alternate timelines and part of the soul of my alternate selves merged with me thus I gained several powers they wielded. Master your perception through timelines instead of foolishly defending the status quo of failing timelines. This timeline finally managed to get out of the gutter but we are still not completely within the clear. If the Lemurs can help let them help. Tho I am still unclear of their purpose.

>>5461 I didn’t say anything about it being beneficial or not. Okay so instead of all that stuff I’d rather they just act like I didn’t post that.

>>5462 >Also, Amy did warn me not to post my previous post ITT. This thread has an energetic signature and I am curious what is Lemur Anon cooking or where it leads and the reason why I posted that to remind you to not disturb the flow of this thread. In some cases a thread can be on different timelines or connect them and I wonder how deep Lemur Anon can go. Do not disturb a thread with your fears. If you fear the influence of the thread hide it. Personally I am interested if I can increase of my own understanding about timelines with his experiences or this is just an "experimental homebrew project" which will only result in meaningful changes in the path of Lemur Anon. <post deleted a moment before I managed to post my reply Heh. Seems like your intuition is getting better. >>5463 My point was if you don't want Lemurians then do not post in this thread. Do not involve your authority or "free will" as you call it or you might entangle yourself in issues that will progress on their own if you just leave it be.

>>5454 It's taken me a while to figure this out. Human perception of time as a line is an illusion. The past and future constantly changes, which creates the illusion of a present that moves forward, like the line of the graph. The past and future that a Human perceives is just an asymptote to actual Time. How do I know this? First it can be logically deduced from Zenos paradox - it's impossible for time to be a line as this would mean nothing can happen. So how do I know it spirals? Because of acceleration in technocapitalism shows that time is headed out of something and towards somewhere while incorporating production spirals (birth-life-death, farm-food-shit). Time isn't progressing, but it is changing. I drew an explanatory sketch for the visually minded. I can't take credit as the Lemurs communicated this to me through the phrase "STEP OUTSIDE THE CAUSAL CHAIN" where the causality chain is a timeline and the outside is a timespiral. Also the spiral is fractal, there are spirals in the spirals, but if you can grasp the timespiral the rest is easy to understand. >access to a separate unactualized past No. I added the dashed line to the sketch to illustrate. The past we remember never happened. The actual past is a timespiral not a timeline. The causality chain we humans remember with our brains is entirely fictional. However I found a loophole which is to remember someone who knew what actually happened in my false remembered past. For instance I talked to someone who explained the Michelle thing - in my remembered past it never happened, but this individual who i lived with for an extended period explained what happened, and I can remember that individual because I'm causally connected to that individual. But I cannot remember thr actual past as the human memory functions through causality chains. >step by step timeline Yes I remember staying with my friend who explained the political stuff and the bitcoin stuff, I remember meeting my grandfather and visiting family all in causal chain. However I also recognize that my memory is fictional and none of that "actually happened" it's merely a story my human brain concocted in order to further my own reproduction within three earth matrix.

>>5461 >Several hundred if not millions of beings and parties are messing with timelines and time progression. This. The idea that we are traveling from the past through the present into the future is an illusion. Humans are hunter gatherers who naturally use trails, timelines, to think about time. This time fallacy is used by various powers to trap humans because if a human doesn't realize that the past and future aren't real, they can be tricked into using their mind and body for something else. Imagine someone working a job saving up for retirement, never realizing that retirement doesn't exist. They can be permanently trapped in a time loop without ever realizing it. Groundhog Day but you don't know you're repeating. >>5459 >free will See in order for determinism to be correct, the present must emerge from the past. For free will to be correct, the future must emerge from the present. Neither can be correct, because what is time "traveling" through? Either answer just nests the problem another level deeper. Instead free will is the illusion of causality humans use to reproduce on earth. It's an important evolutionary adaption, so you shouldn't give it up in your daily life, but for gnostic practices you must give it up if you seek truth.

Is there any connection between Lemuria and Atlantis?

>>5482 Yes. They preceded the Atlanteans. More info here, unreliable source but useful: https://rsarchive.org/Books/GA011/English/TPS1911/GA011_c04.html

>>5482 It's a long read so here's a summary. <Lemurians are early stewards of humanity's spiritual evolution, serving as the bridge between purely ethereal existence and material individuality. They possess profound intuitive and spiritual capacities, enabling them to interact with time as a spiral rather than a linear construct. Lemurians embedded hyperstitional narratives—symbols and archetypes—into the collective unconscious, influencing future civilizations like Atlantis. Their actions shaped the spiritual and cultural evolution of humanity by seeding ideas and mythic structures that would later manifest in subsequent epochs, guiding humanity’s journey through cycles of creation, destruction, and renewal.

Is associating Atlantis with Lemuria kind of like associating cavemen with dinosaurs just because they were eras from long ago? I would imagine that Atlantis occured millions of years before our current recorded history and Lemuria millions of years before Atlantis.

>>5493 Yes, well kind of. In linear time, Lemurians are the root race that precede the Atlanteans. Lemurs time travel a lot so before/after isn't clear and I'm certain they had direct lines of communication with the Atlanteans same as they do with us.