And to start it with everybody's favourite subject: trains! https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=FHGdBNuBCAU

Is the importance of horse-drawn transport underestimated in western military planning circles?

>>8544 I don't think so. While pack animals might be useful in mountainous terrains, but if you could use horse-drawn waggons somewhere then you can also use wheeled vehicles there. Horses are slow, squishy, and require a lot of maintenance compared to a modern engine. And you can't just let them feed in grass if you expect them to work hard, and transporting fodder is not that different from transporting fuel.

>>8543 What's better, a train network or the interstate highway system?

>>8546 a train network on the interstate highway system

>>8546 It's the kind of question that has too many variables for a simple answer. So instead of attempting that I'll leave here some railway propaganda: https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=3pRSDItUGmM

Is there a point to hypersonic military transport aircraft?

>>8548 >ywn have majestic trains befitting of the german people running on superior 3m-9m gauges pulling wagon hotels through the entire European continent on scenic routes possibly with nuclear locomotives if the difficulties in supplying electricity and general krautism are any indication >instead most highways are jam packed with polish elephant racers making the lack of a speed limit largely redundant, trains are never on time and airplanes deliver the latest in failed Chinese bioweapon experiments I'd wager eastern Europe would be a lot less impoverished if the Breitspurbahn had been built as intended.

>>8550 Based and comfy as fuck. Imagine being sent on your paid holiday/leave by it's inventor uncle Adolf with the aryan family in pic 5. In comparison most new trains are mediocre, cheap, literal cattle cars with shitty chairs, without enclosed coupes that suck ass. They had way better more comfortable trains in the 60's. If history turned out not diseased semitic rest assured we'd have comfy as fuck scenic nuclear euroshinkansen and euromaglev trains all over Europe by now.

>>8551 Why were we born into hell, strelok?

>>8551 I often feel that technology stopped getting "better" around the 1970s, maybe as early as before the end of 1959. Even in military technology people rely on digital shit to make up the slack, but it isn't as good physically. I think computers let us get really fucking lazy when making machines, there's no handcrafted precision engineering anymore. We can't even make the fucking F1 engine anymore because metal workers with the necessary skills don't exist. We'd have to replace the moving parts with simpler mass produce-able computer designed garbage. I really wish I could have met Wernher von braun, he was probably the last real engineer. Can you imagine a world with high quality, finely tuned machines? A world with shining cities, no ghettos, jews, or romanians? I'm so fucking mad.

>>8553 Yes anon I fully agree. You definitely have a point but in my view it has more to do with the deliberately destructive kike globalist de-industrialization with them pushing this utterly insane globalist reliance on non-western states who literally use slave labor. -- It's a given that, that way those genius and incredible individuals in the West won't be as easily created by being able to hone and perfect their craft here as before, knowledge gets lost and brain-drain occurs, because it's only when a motivated person perfects a skill that they're able to pump out inventions because due to their expertise and the white creative spark they're able stretch to the utter limit of what is possible that was previously unthought. It's my belief that the Jews now do this intentionally to artificially limit this to military and actively hide incredible technology decades ahead in secret stamp patent lots instead of actively trying to create a culture of Edisons and Nikola Tesla's to benefit the people because it would inevitably hurt them, and their artificial monopolies.(Confiscation of Nikola Tesla's documents and for sure countless others is notable evidence of this, NT was a loud progenitor of "free energy" and believed this was no doubt possible.. Nikola Tesla free energy concept was patented in 1901 as an "Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy.") That's why we see a shit ton of super expensive fad dead end reddit tier projects like LLHC, Tokamak etc etc ... That are the definition of deadborn literally half-assed attempts to create but not perfect or be sensible, they're something to say "look we are doing something, give us money lol". .. along with other frauds perpetuated like "limited resource" (Nevermind germans made all their fuels in Bregius process synth labs using genius 1890 method that was cleverly rethought, now imagine what else can be fully synthesized) etc... >>8552 Because we have to change it. We have to stop it.

>>8549 Transporting VIPs in an emergency maybe? I'm not sure how cheap of an alternative it would be to transport military equipment ala C130 and if it looses the tactical advantage of being able to basically glide in low to drop parachuted supplies. I can't see it replacing current transports outright outside of those billionaires who can afford it as their private jet.

>>8553 I'd put the point of technology stagnating somewhere between the F-15 and Su-27 entering service, or the Soviets dropping out of the space race which was the last area seeing genuine technological and scientific development before transistors started multiplying every year. >>8554 >limited resource While not technically wrong in terms of crustal capacity it's a complete and utter disinfo campaign to make normalfags think space doesn't go beyond LEO except for Mars robots but these are expensive and risky endeavors so asteroid mining from NEOs clearly will never be reasonable or profitable b-because evil rockets produce CO2, Bill Gates doing it is fine as he's rich and rich people know how to solve climate problem unlike poor people :°). On the topic of space, would it be sensible for a colonial power with scattered outposts all over the planet and near infinite shekels to maintain a few emergency military supply caches in LEO whose contents could be deployed to ground troops via converted ICBM reentry vehicles on ultra short notice?

>>8549 >>8555 Well yeah teah the idea would be you could get in enemy aerospace quicker and slow down before drop making the entire ordeal more efficient

>>8553 >>8554 Advanced industrialized societies have been undergoing a decline in intelligence starting from 1900 onward: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA

>>8550 >I'd wager eastern Europe would be a lot less impoverished if the Breitspurbahn had been built as intended. That would mean there was no communism in Eastern Europe, so of course it would be several times richer than currently is, regardless of the type of railway used. Still, I think the experts were correct when they proposed laying more tracks next to each other instead of going bigger. Especially if we keep in mind that containerization is one of the best things ever, and it makes no sense to build bigger trains to ferry the same kind of containers, and using a different kind of container in those lines would lead to needless complications.

https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=kvRK0lC1UKk This video makes me wonder how good would this system work with vehicles. Wood gas was used to power civilian vehicles (and training tanks) during ww2, but the main problem with it was that it's very dirty and clogs up everything, and this could solve that problem. And a vehicle with electric drive powered by vid related should have enough internal space for this kind of wood gasifier.

Aren't civilian nuclear powerplants kind of a liability from a military standpoint? While containment buildings are designed to withstand external abuse the rest of the plants don't seem nearly as SHTF proof, Fukushima dai ichi for example melted because they lost power with both diesel generators and offsite powerlines rendered inoperable due to flooding. A targeted non-nuclear precision strike or glow in the dark sabotage act could severely cripple an industrialized nation's economy and logistics without even triggering MAD if the target nation has no nukes, doesn't help that many reactors were built close to major industrial centres. >>8559 >it makes no sense to build bigger trains to ferry the same kind of containers, Widespread Containerization wasn't much of a thing in when the Breitspurbahn was envisioned, one of its main design goals apart from making Germany grow larger was to fix the poor infrastructure found on the eastern front. While standard gauge railways or Autobahnen would likely have eventually supplanted broad gauge Herrenzüge in central and western Europe I want to believe they'd still have found viable use as long haul hub-and-spoke trains in the Caucasus, Urals and Siberia. Hitler might also view Container-based JIT point to point logistics as a jewish scheme encouraging dependence on far-flung "readily" available resources instead of local/regional stockpiles that encourage civilized forward planning and don't clog highways as much.

>>8561 >Widespread Containerization wasn't much of a thing in when the Breitspurbahn was envisioned True, I'm a bit too bound to reality in this point. But break-of-gauge is still a gigantic problem that plagues Eurasian trade to this day (and also Japan for a lesser extent), and it was already known in the 19th century that mixing gauges is a horrible idea. The Stephenson gauge is quite flexible: it's small enough for even tram systems, and yet it's also perfect to haul people and cargo from one end of a continent to an other one. The Breitspurbahn would be only good for long distance, but once it arrives somewhere it would be necessary to put all the cargo and people to standard gauge railways, instead of just e.g. detaching the waggons with raw materials and sending them directly to a factory that already has a railway line. And having a bunch of lines is also inherently more flexible, especially if you can use them for both long and short range transport. >Hitler might also view Container-based JIT point to point logistics as a jewish scheme encouraging dependence on far-flung "readily" available resources instead of local/regional stockpiles that encourage civilized forward planning and don't clog highways as much. He specifically wanted this system to increase the volume of cargo and number of people moving between far-flung parts of Europe, and even areas on the outskirts of Europe. Sure, he wanted trade to be heavily in favour of German interests, but he certainly wasn't the patron saint of local small businesses. And even then, he would live for only so long, it's perfectly possible that only a few lines would be operational when he dies, and then the project gets abandoned. Also, more trains and a map that is somehow relevant.

>>8561 Wasn't the pracrical purpose of reactors originally to generate plutonium for the manufacture of nuclear weapons, and power generation was just a ruse?

>>8563 Well, yes and no. An actual power generating reactor is different by a few slight points than a plutonium generating reactor, and a breeder reactor doesn't actually produce enough power to be viable. However, to turn a power generation reactor into a breeder reactor is as simple as using slightly more enriched uranium and/or removing waste products sooner to extract higher quality Pu. I believe a hardcore breeder reactor consumes a lot of power instead, but you can have a civilian reactor that straddles the line where you produce decent amounts of plutonium while still also producing a lot of power. This would seem to be the most functional option for mass scale plutonium production in a superpower that wants to get serious about nuclear weapons. Keep in mind that NK, india, and pakistan might as well have conventional weapons as far as we're concerned just because our missile defense outnumbers their warheads 10:1. Only Russia and maybe France and China have the ability to overwhelm our defenses, which is where nuclear weapons go from a last resort terror attack and way to frighten off smaller countries, to a viable method of wiping out the city populations of a superpower.

>>8561 >Aren't civilian nuclear powerplants kind of a liability from a military standpoint? That's just how a heavily centralized system works. Nuclear power plants have a tremendous output, but they are expensive and need highly trained personnel, and the fuel is hard to come by. For a total war you could amass enough fuel rods to last a few decades, and then defend your nuclear power plants with AA systems and anti-saboteur units, and then power generation is not a problem for the duration of the war. They are the kings of a centralized system for this reason, and decentralized power generation can't really compete with that (as far as I know). Although if you had a nuclear power plant that fits into a shipping container, safe (and idiot-proof) enough that a small crew of people with a minimum IQ of 100 can operate it without any problem, and can power a small city or a large factory, and you can somehow mass produce it, then maybe you would have a superior alternative. You'd still need a central factory to do maintenance and refuelling, but if they have enough fuel to last a decade, and they are constantly cycled through so that most of them always have enough fuel left for a few years, then even taking out that factory wouldn't leave you without power. And hunting down who knows how many shipping containers might be a lot harder than taking out a single big target.

>>8565 >a nuclear power plant that fits into a shipping container, safe (and idiot-proof) enough that a small crew of people with a minimum IQ of 100 can operate it without any problem Isn't that basically a small nuclear sub reactor?

Is riverine shipping competitive with the railway in this day and age?

>>8567 short answer: depends on the situation. But mostly not long answer: riverine shipping is used in places, where the terrain prevents the construction of railways, or makes it uninteresting from an economic point of view. As in everything in life, it depends on the circumstances, what solutions are deemed best. In the best case scenario, you've got competent people in command, who can pick the right options based on calculations and experience. Worst case, you've got a bunch of corrupt shit-bags, who pick the option that lets them pocket the most cash. Now, look at america. you got mostly plains, mountains and deserts. Waterways don't play much of a role there. The U.S. got highways, a good road system, and most importantly, it's not a flooded, montainous shithole. And now, take a look at China, for example. It's got tons of mountains, tons of rivers, it's got shitty roads... but hold on, tons of rivers. That's what the Chinks picked up on, and they started using their natural surroundings to help them overcome infrastructural problems. That's why waterway transport is way more important in the PRC, than in the U.S. China got railways too, but due to the fact, that they are mostly stretching from north to south, and they make up a small part of the PRCs Cargo turnover. Russia is another story entirely. it is forced to rely on railways, as the distances between Cities and even between villages are fuck-huge. There can be no talk about competition between waterway transport and railway there, simply because of the damn huge distances, and the lack of rivers and canals to cover the country. That also has an interesting side effect of making people more self-reliant. You should see the crazy stuff the russians come up with, just so they don't have to travel 300 to 500 miles to the nearest city.

>>8567 I'm not sober enough to correct my above post, so i'll leave it there. One thing i wanted to add though, is one about corrupt shitbags i mentioned earlier. look at south america. it's a hellhole, with absolutely shitty infrastructure, and not because it's so hard to build roads and railways there, as there exist numerous railways and roads there. The Problem is, the south american countries are, compared to the PRC, ruled by shitbags who line their pockets with taxpayers money and don't do shit to improve the country. Instead, they are like Niggers, relying on the existing infrastructure, which is slowly falling apart.

>>8566 Indeed, sounds quite similar to that, but I have no idea what those are capable of, and I'm also not sure that a reactor that fits into a shipping container can produce enough energy to worth the hassle. Not to mention that although I'm a proponent of nuclear energy, I wouldn't want every small town to have its own power plant, because the more you have the more likely that somebody will do something that significantly drives up the cases of cancer in an area. The closest thing that currently exists is that Russian floating nuclear power plant, but it's significantly bigger than even the biggest shipping container. Although I vaguely recall reading about a train-mounted nuclear power plant that was designed to power civilian infrastructure in an emergency, and I think it was an American idea.

>>8542 Has anyone touched on where the funding for said wars originate from? I know that Brown Brothers Harriman (the bush family stems from this bank) along with Montague Norman who was the head of the bank of England ( BBH is a derivative of the Bank of England) funded Germany in WW2

An American ww2 propaganda film about the munition industry: https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=LYJRWTvJwoY It's not that informative, but some of you might find it interesting. >>8571 You can either print money or convince your population that they should pay extra in top of their taxes. The latter is usually done with war bonds, but there were charities too. E.g. Germany had a drive in ww2 for people to donate winter clothing for the troops in Russia. But what you really have to keep in mind is that money is not some magic substance that turns into whatever you want it into, it's merely a tool to convince others to do you bidding. With good enough propaganda you can convince large segments of the population to work some extra for free. Also, look up Mefo bills.

>>8568 >N/S railways mostly That's because Mao construction and co couldn't build railroads into Tibet/Qinghai because they couldn't build a train engine and had to rely on western (German/US/Canadian) ones, specifically the GE GE Dash 9-44CW In reality I'm pretty sure he got bribed by the CIA but doesn't matter. The plateau isn't exactly technologically stable either. >t. dumbass who almost died in an earthquake in tibet

>>8573 But how does that stop them from improving the rail connections in the rest of the country?

>>8574 >why doesn't china have more rail. 90% of China's population (It's somewhat lower now that "Chinese" han bought into the stronk women no family DINK meme) is east of the Hu Huangyong line shown here. Now take a look at the topographical map, and look at the various mountain ranges that criss cross the dens population areas. Compared to the US you only really have the rockies, appachians, and sierra nevada. You only have to cross these once going E/W or not at all going N/S. That's impossible in China. Modern day China tries to build a shit ton of rail (electric) and waterways (easier to load mass tonnage than say a semi) because China does not have a large reserve of oil. Also, earthquakes, landslides and mudslides, China gets a lot of them. Mainly because of the stupid monsoon climate, you'll be driving in the rain and the entire damn hillside with the road just vanishes. That's why they don't use rails. Finally, there's only so many rail lines you can build. Beijing has 4 fucking rail stations for civilians and it's such a clusterfuck trying to keep their shit together that it's hilarious . The Beijing-Shanghai line kept expanding (It was 2 rails except for a few places near the Dezhou county line) until recently because local farmers had enough and went and made jungleman vc proud by fucking dynamiting the rail bridges and tearing up the tracks and it took quite the PAP (Gendarmerie of PLA) presence to subdue it in 2010. Tibet is similar. Local tibetman (and even more so moderate headchoppers) take every opportunity they get to mess with the bridges (because the plateau is mostly permafrost so it has to be elevated) that the gov stations a "reliable" family every ~500m to do jack shit but watch for people messing with the bridges. Historically speaking, You also have to keep in mind the entire area south of the Huai river was fucking jungle/marshland until the late song, roughly 1300AD. The current watersheds in china are not reflective of the historical ones, because the river has changed course a great deal a number of time (the most recent when the ROC busted the dikes to try and slow the nips in WW2). pls no bully MSS taiwan part of china proper...

>>8573 >t. dumbass who almost died in an earthquake in tibet That sounds like a pretty interesting story, actually.

>>8575 When does CCP stop spamming passenger rail everywhere for poors that have no reason to exist with advent of automation?

>>8577 >When does China stop needless building projects to justify its GDP growth? Never.

>>8577 >rail for lolpoor never because its a cheaper way to move around infantry! Rail in china is used as a strategic transport for troop movements. >>8577 >dying in an earthquake. Thanks no thanks. I've been a fair share of landslides already. anyways storytime >be me, dumbass in the Hymalayas, on a shitty tier 3 (AKA localy county road, think the shitty dirt roams in the US/ the shit backwater roads). >potholes the size of a 12 inch wheel >In the middle of a valley for being tectonically unstable >raining >hear loud crashing noise like splashing water while resting under an outcropping, there's a large jolt around me >try stay still as fuck cause I don't want to get yeeted by a boulder >massive as fuck landslide just completely wiped out the next 5km of road ahead of me >boulder the size of a mini cooper flies by my head. >get thrown on the ground >boulder the size of my head comes by and grazes my helmet >mfw I later learned it was a 6.2 earthquake about a 2 km down the road It took em around 5 hours to dig out the damn road again. The chinese PAP (gerdamine) on that section of the road have manned excavators every ~2-4km due to frequent landslides and it being one of the major logistical routes into tibet.

>>8579 Heh, sounds like you're lucky to be alive through that one lad. Count your blessings. >It took em around 5 hours to dig out the damn road again. Impressive. I imagine their construction approach wouldn't meet OSHA standards.

>>8580 Its honestly just a dirt road thats a better red ball express, not too much mud and they just keeping digging away. The fact that damn near 70% of tibets imports go through there is asounding. I think it was a real wake up call to me on how fragile modern logistics is. Imagine NYC relying on a single pontoon bridge made of bamboo rafts that get replaced from the ends if one raft breaks

>>8581 > Imagine NYC relying on a single pontoon bridge made of bamboo rafts that get replaced from the ends if one raft breaks Good point. I imagine there are many miracles holding these fragile threads together we're all so dependent on. Well, have any other logistics-oriented tales to tell Strelok? Did you ever go up into Tibet BTW?

To add to the trains vs boats discussion: this couldn't happen with a competently managed railway. https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=qyiaisvmf_s

>>8579 > Rail in china is used as a strategic transport for troop movements. Could generals orchestrate a coup with this?

>>8584 >coup No. Not with out significant assistance from the party secretary. Ammo in China is directly controlled at the every level by the military party secretary (Rank is roughly captain or above) who reports directly to the CPC and their superior. Any armed force in China is not allowed access to live ammo unless at full combat readiness (Both the party sec and the commander of the unit must agree or explicitly authorized by a commanding officer at the division level in emergencies. Units above or at the company level require direct authorization of the corps level and must be reported to the Central military commission. And yes, if you are wondering, in times of peace, the party secretary have the final say over basically anything. Also, even in counter terror/ police ops, the ammunition is not LOADED and is kept in a locked container held by a senior enlisted with the captain with the key. The platoon leader must request permission from the party secretary before they may use it and the PS can deny for any reason. One exception is SF counter terror ops, they get free reign since their commanders are ALSO party secretaries in name (you must be a CPC member for some time and be vetted politically before passing their BUDS training evals) At least, that this /was/ back before the 2016 reform.

>>8585 All sounds deadly efficient. Why aren't you a red blooded ChiCom patriot?

>>8586 Knowing your enemy is the first step to beating them. >video unrelated, russian MOD video of a 955A missle test in 2018.

>>8587 >connection failed fucking damnit.

>>8587 I was asking the Chink janitor if he was the one answering, though MSS might put a bounty on his head.

>>8589 Yes but BO needs to give me janni role back still >.<

>>8588 What are those pink pouches everyone is carrying at their waists in the submarine?

>>8590 i already did a week ago pick up the can

I would like to know more about millitary warehousing and stockpiling. I find it interesting because logistics provide the first concrete indication of a strategic shift. Long before the South China Sea conflict China started warehousing naval mines, effectively telegraphing their assessment that a major power would attack them by sea before their own navy was established in the theater. To make a stockpile of millions of naval mines would take years to stockpile- and even before this space would be allocated for the expected deliveries. Are surplus weapons stored loose, in pallates? Could this indicate an intention to sell them on to secondary markets? What about tooling kits? Before China started making these cheap gookfaust launchers they had tool kits made- how many did they make? You may well end up with conclusions like "X plans to make more of Y than they can store, which gives a window of expected conflict between Z years"

>>8591 A guess given the situation : You are in a can of metal surrounded by water, with a whole lot of chemicals around you. If any of the fun substances starts leaking or some fire starts you probably can extract some mask + filter or oxygen combination out of the pouch in order to remain alive after a few dozen seconds. I have only spotted two guys not having them in the sub, but the camera does not show the whole body so they could still have it near themselves or on their knees. It cannot be radio as no wiring or ports and we are inside a sub so communication should not be a problem. It needs to be always on the person which means for immediate emergency use. The life west they use look way bigger in the first few shots. It's between 1-2L of capacity, so probably not an entire suit. Given Russia's recent history of deadly fire in sub it would be reasonable.

>>8592 >>8592 >pick up the slack I'm trying to fix my upload issues but right now I'm up shit creek without a paddle because I can't login or do anything. Sorry man. I think my shitty net actually broke the registration I created a fucking third account. hopefully third time is the charm. If it actually works properly I'll email you again >video unrelated

>>8594 Seems like a sensible conclusion. Upon digging a little, it does indeed seem like it is most probably a self-contained oxygen generator (SCOG) of some kind. I couldn't find any pictures of Russian ones in particular, but the ones I did find images of appear to be similar in dimensions.

>>8596 The russians have had a lot of awful accidents in recent memory involving drowning in a submarine, even for morale or PR purposes I can see why they'd issue them to every fucking person on the boat. Recovering notes from the Kursk from officers and shit who suffocated in air pockets after four hours has got to be a demoralizing experience for your navy. That and having all the oxygen generators catch fire and melt your face off with acid after contacting oily seawater AND nearly all of them were unused in some storage compartment probably pressured them to improve the resistance of their SCOG systems

>>8597 >catch fire and melt your face off Nothing about Russian naval history is confidence-inspiring, but god damn the submarine stuff... every time I learn more about it, I have to wonder how they even got people into those deathtraps.

>>8598 >I have to wonder how they even got people into those deathtraps. It's not like the soviets were open about accidents of any kind, expect if it was blatantly obvious for too many people to contain it. Jewfix's Chernobyl is far from a documentary, but I still recommend watching it, because the way the officials try to hide what is going on is pretty accurate. And you can easily hide accidents that happen on a submarine. I don't know of they were crewed by conscripts or volunteers (or conscripts who volunteered for subs), but the former usually just want to get out and don't care much, and the latter often have a somehow different risk assessment than the others. Tell both of them that submarines are inherently safe, make sure no contradicting news get to them, and they will get into the robot boat.

>>8599 >Jewfix's Chernobyl is far from a documentary You are better seeing the original docudrama BBC version of it, only one episode and actually tries at times to be accurate despite using britbong comedians as serious drama actors (they did pull it off). https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tufjj

>>8600 For those who want to jump into it, if you want extra drama start the video from 2:50-3:00 rather than the beginning.

The Suez Canal has been blocked by a massive container ship.

>>8602 The world economy is already in the shit due to Corona-chan, this is just the cherry on top. If it happened in the Strait of Gibraltar I can see a US submarine ramming her.

>>8602 Apparently, it's just that easy to completely disrupt trade. Anyone know if this is a Chinese ship? Flagged Panama, but a lot of ships are, due to looser regulations.

>>8602 >oil price increases via container ship "accidents" in congested shipping lanes instead of retarded proxy wars Is this part of the USN's master plan? Aren't shallow artificial canals really easy to mine by air? While mines would be quickly detected I wonder if it'd make sense for a power with enough resources to sustain some attrition to dump small limpet mines over the canal every night via stealth drones or mass produced cruise missiles to shut it down.

>>8604 It's a Taiwanese owned ship that was built by a Japanese shipyard.

>>8602 That's just beautiful. I hope it stays stuck there for a week. No, I hope a war breaks out near the canal and it stays shut down for a month or more due to >>8603

>>8606 >>8604 Bloomberg says it was travelling from China to the Netherlands (Rotterdam). https://archive.is/PQ0XR

>>8608 I saw offhand it was manned by Pajeets, but didn't look into confirming. A true globalist disaster.

>>8602 this is going to punish global supply chains hard. by the looks of the sheer size and how embedded the ship's bow is in the sandbank, its not going anywhere fast. this is going to violate EU countries. going round africa was never part of the plan

>>8610 >that gif Kek, nice one.

>>8602 >>8604 >Apparently, it's just that easy to completely disrupt trade. Could you just imagine how bad things would get if an actual war took place and one or more of the belligerents did things like this intentionally. Global trade would basically just grind to a halt instantly.

>>8610 https://archive.is/VT2BV https://archive.is/g3ZT9 Shit's fucked.

>>8612 Is someone taking inspiration from this like the Japanese from Taranto?

To add another layer of comedy the ship also drew a giant cock in its path before getting stuck in the Canal.

>>8610 >This is the final push Chinks need to ally with Pedo Joe >Together they grab Leafland by the balls and make them open up the Northwest Passage for Asian-European trade >WWIII will be fought in the new world between Burgers and Poutine with Asia as a secondary objective

>>8612 The power grid and internet infrastructure of most countries isn't much better. It's surprisingly easy to kill several thousands of people without ever striking a soft body in the age of global trade.

>>8613 I mentioned on /a/ but there's a specialist team showing up Thursday but due to Egyptian holidays, it probably won't re-open until Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.

>>8615 beetifull:DD

>>8615 >>8619

>>8620 So the wind was pushing the ship westward, and the crew tried to go back to their lane, but fucked it up and hit the side of the canal.

>>8620 >My Myocardium Will Continue starts playing

Can they offload individual containers using helicopters? Cargo airships when?

>>8623 I don't see why not, but it would be terribly expensive.

>>8623 I've always really liked the look of those crane helicopters. >>8625 What a clusterfuck.

>>8623 I wonder how long until someone oversized a quadcopter so that it can haul shipping containers. >>8625 With that many ships in one place, at least a few of them are bound to have technical difficulties, especially if they are forced to just anchor there for days. I can already seen them being forced to stay there and slow down the traffic once Ever Given is free to roam the seven seas again.

>>8627 The Yids are complaining about ebul Ir*nian missiles attacking cargo ships of their own. Could the Suez blockade be a setup to some kind of unintentional false flag a la the Beiruit harbor explosion from last summer? There's bound to be some Ukrainian crews there.

>>8628 Supposedly the crew are all Indians and the Evergreen had been at Chinese ports before sailing to the canal.

>>8629 Maybe, but as you can see there might be hundreds of ships waiting on both sides of the canal. I think you could reasonably find people from most non-African countries among the various crews.

>>8624 Also, I think those helicopters can only carry a single container at a go. The Ever Given has 20,000 containers. Even if they had a dozen of those cargo helis working 24/7, it'd still take forever.

>>8615 Ebin :DDDD

Due to the Ever Given situation, ships have now apparently started to sail the long way across Africa. Does the massive size of cargo ships make it easier to bear the rough seas along the Cape of Good Hope?

>>8633 Their mass distribution should make the trip perfectly fine. The bigger question will be how many world navies will have to temporarily be deployed to African waters for peacekeeping duties (and how many more will get raided by nigger pirates).

>>8634 >pirates The whole are of the Red Sea and the gulf are some of the absolute worst areas in the world for piracy. If navies are going to be deployed, they best hustle, because I bet every Somali with a skiff is gonna be aching to get himself a piece of the action.

>>8633 >Does the massive size of cargo ships make it easier to bear the rough seas along the Cape of Good Hope? No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Mw6L69b6Y

>>8636 >>8625 Wicked. Navies better be on overtime making sure bad actors dont take advantage of this. I saw rumours of a russian warship was in the area of the red sea, can anyone confirm? >>8616 get the icebreakers to work. Lord Franklin shall not have died in vain!

>>8638 >get the icebreakers to work. Lord Franklin shall not have died in vain! Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie the sea route to the Orient for which so many died...

>>8636 That map doesn't show it well, but West Africa is closer to America than any of the European countries distance-wise, hence the mass piracy in that pocket.

>>8609 Confirmed.

How long would it take to clear the canal if the ship is found to be unseaworthy?

>>8640 >West Africa is closer to America than any of the European countries distance-wise, hence the mass piracy in that pocket. Not likely to be even remotely correlated. A history of indigenous slaving among the niggers themselves between the tribes is far more likely the explanation -- if the claim itself is valid.

>>8642 >How long would it take to clear the canal if the ship is found to be unseaworthy? Don't know. Maybe the crews trying to free it will gouge a big hole in it. After all, they're Edgyptian.

>>8642 At that point, they'd likely be better off just making the canal wider. Even Egyptians would be hard-pressed to mess up digging.

>>8645 >mess up digging Considering they have to take into account elevation and inclination differences, I wouldn't be suprised if they DID.

>>8645 Maybe, but digging seems to be expensive and time-consuming: >In August 2014, the Egyptian government launched construction to expand and widen the Ballah Bypass for 35 km (22 mi) to speed up the canal's transit-time. The expansion intended to nearly double the capacity of the Suez Canal, from 49 to 97 ships per day.[8] At a cost of 59.4 billion Egyptian pounds (US$9bn), this project was funded with interest-bearing investment certificates issued exclusively to Egyptian entities and individuals. The "New Suez Canal", as the expansion was dubbed, was opened in a ceremony on 6 August 2015.[9] Although it would be nice if it provoked them to go overboard and join the old and new canals into a 100m wide artificial river.

>>8647 It may be expensive and time-consuming, but so is having your shipping lane clogged by the SS Pajeet. Oh lawd, they diggin' though. The Egyptian president's "seaport advisor" said Thursday the 25th that navigation through the canal "will resume again within 48-72 hours, maximum." However, the Dutch firm, Smit Salvage, hired by the ship's Taiwanese operating company, states "We can't exclude it might take weeks, depending on the situation."

>>8648 >The Little Digger that could These pictures are actually kind of inspiring.

>>8649 They're trying, that's for sure. One day, the Ever Given will be freed, and its precious cargo of hot pants can finally make it to those in need.

Cant help but think things would have been better had the British been left in control of Suez. The British would have done better maintenance and dredging, for a start.

>>8651 To some extent better maintenance would help, but the reality is that, much like how companies make even bigger fucking trucks when you increase the clearance under a highway, people would just make bigger fucking boats if you made the canal wider/more maintained. They already expanded it once in the last decade to accommodate more Chinks.

>>8650 >>8648 They're also scared that if they unbalance the Ever Given in the wrong way during offloading then the entire ship could break in half.

>>8654 Is she carrying any non-perishable goods in watertight containers?

>>8655 Are the goods the problem? The ship will still be sitting above the water even if it sunk.

>>8654 Fuck, that ship is jammed in there tight.

>>8656 It'd be a shame for any migrants heading to Europe via Turkey if they couldn't get some early reparations along the way.

>>8658 It'd be the only right thing to do, obviously.

>>8658 What did they mean by this?

>>8615 Stolen from smug

>>8660 LOL

>>8661 >(c)anal sex

Now there is even a site dedicated to the matter. suezcanalblockage.com

Anglin has an interesting article on the current Edgyptian/Pajeet boondoggle. http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/this-is-a-chokepoint-society-and-google-and-facebook-banned-the-heimlich-maneuver/

>>8665 >high civilization builds megascale projects >decadent civilization overuses and neglects them

https://archive.is/NRKYX >Why don't ships just have better management like planes? I think the writer of this article seems to think that boats piloted by Pajeets being paid pennies are equivalent to passenger airplanes piloted by college-educated Europeans/Asians with typically thousands of flight hours under their belts being paid garbage outside of regionals "six figures" at the major airline level.

>>8668 Jesus Christ it's like looking at a swarm of bugs. >>8669 That should read "garbage outside of majors."

>>8664 And an other one to help people imagine the size of this nice boat: evergiven-everywhere.glitch.me

Boat's moved, show's over.

>>8672 News said it isn't refloated yet as of about 10 minutes ago.

>>8673 https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1376379324291485697

>>8674 They freed the rudder. Last I checked there's concerns that it might not be fully floated due to deposits underneath the ship from when it crashed that could cause it to fuck up if they don't reduce the weight. That sucks if they did free it up, but I'll wait for more official news on the situation since this seems like a false alarm.

Where is global warming when you need it?

>>8676 That one aerial photo seems to show a pronounced list to port. Maybe it's just the angle? I have to wonder if it would straight-up tip over onto one side if the sediment keeps building asymmetrically as the water level drops.

>>8675 >>8676 So they've kind of got it loose but they've also jammed it harder at the same time?

>>8678 They say she's free, and being moved to the Great Bitter Lake for an inspection.

>>8676 They say that the full moon on the 28th rose the tides just enough to re float it.

>>8676 Digits confirm the canal will soon have an abundance of seawater flooding over it's banks thanks to the results of global warming which Anon himself single-handedly has now called forth :^). OTOH, seems to me that the mostly-peaceful-totally-not-islamists-perfectly-friendly regional sandnigger terrorists may now have ideas they never would have figured out on their own.

>>8681 >ideas they never would have figured out on their own If those peaceful silica moolies were to actually scuttle a ship in the canal, or otherwise break its ability to be moved, that'd be some game changing terrorism. That said, the target is somewhat nebulous for terrorists. Disrupting shipping would be a big "fuck you" to global trade, but doesn't have the impact of a stack of dead bodies, and doesn't fuck with any one nation in particular, except possibly Egypt itself.

>>8681 I'm pretty sure Syria was about to enter a crisis situation because they couldn't sell their oil to China due to the straight being closed. I imagine the only reason the Israelis haven't launched an American campaign against the strait is entirely because they know every Arab nation in a three country radius would bomb the shit out of them if they did.

>>8683 >I imagine the only reason the Israelis haven't launched an American campaign against the strait They already did it with the brits, the egyptians and libyans ambushed them so hard the brits were mocked for decades by all its allies. It was Dunkirk without the benevolence, both losing parties were so mad that they started bombing arab planes and the arabs started kidnapping and bombing planes back. Never trust a jew even when it's on the ground begging.

>>8579 >never because its a cheaper way to move around infantry! >chink fails to see oncoming freight train due to his squint China Looks to Slow Growth of Money-Losing High-Speed Rail >China is introducing guidelines to limit new high-speed rail construction along underused routes, as it seeks to prevent projects that give short-term boosts to local economies, but add to regional governments’ already huge debt piles. >If a high-speed rail route is operating at less than 80% of its designed capacity, then a second line shouldn’t be built covering the same route, according to guidelines jointly released by the country’s top economic planner and the transport authority on Monday. >The guidelines also say that new high-speed rail links should only be built to cities that already see more than 15 million total inbound and outbound trips per year. The guidelines also called for tightening scrutiny over traffic volume and punishing those who fabricate data. >Constructing new high-speed rail routes has offered local governments a straightforward way to boost their economic figures in recent years, with the provinces of Hebei and Shandong both previously bringing up the idea that all of their cities should have such rail links, though these plans have not come to fruition. >The total length of the country’s high-speed rail network jumped 91% between 2015 and 2020, compared with just 7% growth for standard rail, according to China State Railway Group Co. Ltd. (CR). As of the end of last year, high-speed rails account for 26% of the country’s overall railway network, said CR, the country’s national rail operator. >“During railway planning and construction work, some places have problems with purely pursuing high standards, high speeds and high investment,” the guidance said, adding the pursuit of costly high-speed lines has left some projects with poor business performance and heavy debt burdens. >With the exception of the busiest lines between the biggest cities, like that which connects Beijing and Shanghai, China’s high-speed rail network loses money. The goal of the new guidelines is to prevent further expansion, and existing projects will be unaffected, a person familiar with the matter told Caixin. >The specific targets in the guidance may indicate that the new five-year plan will also contain restrictions on new high-speed rail construction, said professor Zhao Jian, director of the China Urbanization Research Center at Beijing Jiaotong University. >CR is one of many state-owned enterprises cutting their budgets for 2021. The railway operator said its funding from the central government had dropped 98% from last year, as the number of projects approved by the National Development and Reform Commission had fallen. >The company’s Chairman Zhang Dongfu said earlier that China would build 12,100 kilometers of high-speed rail through 2025, down 32% from the five years to 2020. >The guidance said railway debt should be within a “rational range” by 2035, without offering a specific figure. CR’s total debt amounted to 5.57 trillion yuan ($849 billion) at the end of September last year, taking its debt-to-asset ratio to 65.8%. https://archive.is/3hrO9

>>8685 >jiaotong university Lol. Thats kinda like USC. It's where all the USLA and Berkley rejects end up. >freight train Jokes on you they don't run freight trains on high speed rail, thats why it looses money tbh the Shandong high speed rail meme is mainly due to a bigger backdrop of "fuck you" to the central government over taxes Think of it like Soviet healthcare. It's a cornerstone of the Chinese government public service, in other words, they stop building when the entire damn government collapses and we get warlord era mk 2.

>>8685 >punishing those who fabricate data. Isn't that... well, everyone as far as Chinese functionaries are concerned?

>>8686 >freight and high speed rail shit is basically to the chinese gov't what the F-35 project is to the US r-rooka rike we not so diffelent aftel all...

>>8686 >is mainly due to a bigger backdrop of "fuck you" to the central government over taxes Are they going into debt just to piss off Beijing for being the only entity legally entitled to the majority of revenue in the country?

>>8689 >re Shandong shitshow The old party secretary in Shandong in the late 90s was a man named Wu Guanzheng (吴官正). Back then, the GDP of the province was not number 1, but in the top three. Wu liked to boast that Shandong was number one for prestige and to curry favor so he could advance in rank, so the CPC would levy extra taxes from the state. This gave rise to the ironic saying "Lu (Shandong) bluffing to the no 1 spot". The locals obviously weren't happy about this since Shandong went from no 2/3 to no 8 in GDP growth due to being overtaxed, so now they try to spend as much government monies as possible and basically threaten to the central gov for more gibs or they ruin the agriculture of China (Shandong is like Ukraine, or the midwest USA, breadbasket of China). >>8688 >f-35 Thing is, the rails are actually useful outside of a purely military use. Mainly when spring festival comes and when you need to get somewhere fast (because air travel isn't an option in China).

>>8688 >>freight and high speed rail shit is basically to the chinese gov't what the F-35 project is to the US Heh, except the F-35 drops bombs and shoots shit up, Strelok.

>>8690 >because air travel isn't an option in China Is it too expensive for most chinks and so there isn't a developed system of airfields and whatnot; or is it some retarded commie policy?

>>8692 Your question made me look up maps of airports and railway lines in ol' China. Seems like there are plenty of each, so I'd have to make a guess that air travel is beyond the financial reach of your average Chinaman.

>>8693 >connection failed

>>8693 >air travel not feasible More like due to government restrictions. If we say that in the USA, 80% of air traffic is civilian, in China, 80% of air traffic is restricted to military. The government heavily discuourages air travel because they are afraid it will be used against them (think biden and muh get rid of gas cars but 100x worse, if the flight by plane isn't less than 3-5 hours than its not worth due to the delays). That and CPC officals landing always delay shit cause they gotta roll the good ole red carpet with the MSS, because when you are that hated, you never know when some asshole is going to try and throw dynamite at you tbh the US politicans are closely approaching that state too In regards to delays, it's almost 100% guaranteed, the joke there goes "What delay? You mean the actual ofical timetable?"

sage for double post Also, I forgot to mention, 60-90 % of the regional airports (almost 100% out west) are "military civilian dual use". So you run the risk of getting gulag'ed if you look at the CAP fighters and the jets on standby for interceptor duty. >>8694 if its not a large city (by chinese standards) like shanghai, Beijing, its a military dual use airport. The Lijiang airport has a set of interceptors right next to the tarmac stationed 24/7, for example.

>>8688 Don't even have to compare jets to rails when the US rail system is just as fucked. Look at how expensive it is just to add track to NYC, or how corrupt the Commiefornian high speed rail project is.

https://archive.is/2hsBR >Florida county under state of emergency as reservoir with millions of gallons of "contaminated, radioactive wastewater" could collapse "at any time" >Some residents in Manatee County, Florida, were evacuated from their homes over Easter weekend as officials cited fears that a wastewater pond could collapse "at any time." Florida Governor Ron DeSantis declared a state of emergency for the area on Saturday. >County officials said the pond, located at the former Piney Point phosphate processing plant, has a "significant leak," according to CBS affiliate WTSP-TV. The Manatee County Public Safety Department told people near the plant to evacuate due to an "imminent uncontrolled release of wastewater." >"A portion of the containment wall at the leak site shifted laterally," said Manatee Director of Public Safety Jake Saur, "signifying that structural collapse could occur at any time." >Manatee County Public Safety Department initially sent out emergency evacuation notices on Friday for those who were within half a mile of Piney Point, and by 11 a.m. Saturday, evacuation orders were extended to people within one mile north of the reservoir's stacks of phosphogypsum — a fertilizer waste product — and those within half a mile to the south of the site. Surrounding stretches of highway were also closed to traffic. >Mandatory evacuations were extended an additional half mile west and one mile southwest of the site on Saturday evening. Manatee County Public Safety Department said that 316 households are within the full evacuation area. >Phosphogypsum is the "radioactive waste" left over from processing phosophate ore into a state that can be used for fertilizer, according to the Center for Biological Diversity. >"In addition to high concentrations of radioactive materials, phosphogypsum and processed wastewater can also contain carcinogens and heavy toxic metals," the Center said in a statement on Saturday. "For every ton of phosphoric acid produced, the fertilizer industry creates 5 tons of radioactive phosphogypsum waste, which is stored in mountainous stacks hundreds of acres wide and hundreds of feet tall." >Manatee County Commissioner Vanessa Baugh said in a statement Saturday that the "public must heed that notice to avoid harm." >Officials are on site conducting a controlled release of water, roughly 22,000 gallons a minute. >The water that is currently being pumped out by officials in order to avoid a full collapse is a mix of sea water from a local dredge project, storm water and rain runoff. The water has not been treated. >"The water meets water quality standards for marine waters with the exception of pH, total phosphorus, total nitrogen and total ammonia nitrogen," the state said in a statement. "It is slightly acidic, but not at a level that is expected to be a concern, nor is it expected to be toxic." >Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Nikki Fried wrote a letter to DeSantis on Saturday urging an emergency session of the Florida cabinet to discuss the situation. She wrote that the leaking water is "contaminated, radioactive wastewater," and noted that this leak is not the property's first. >"For more than fifty years, this Central Florida mining operation has caused numerous human health and environmental disasters and incidents," Fried wrote. "There have been numerous, well-documented failures — which continue today — of the property's reservoir liner, including leaks, poor welds, holes, cracks and weaknesses that existed prior to purchase by the current owner, HRK Holdings, and exacerbated since." >Video of a Manatee County Commissioners meeting provided insight into what happened prior to the leak. On Thursday afternoon, Jeff Barath, a representative for HRK Holdings, the company that owns the site, appeared emotionally distressed while briefing the Manatee County Commissioners about the situation. >"I'm very sorry," he said. He told commissioners he had only slept a few hours that week because he was trying to fix the situation, and through tears, said he first noticed "increased conductivities within the site's seepage collection system" 10 days prior on March 22. This system, he said, offers drainage around the gypsum stacks. >He said he immediately notified FDEP of his concerns. >"The water was changing around the seepage. We went into a very aggressive monitoring program," he said, to find out where the seepage was coming from. >They discovered the south side of the stack system had "increased in conductivity" and that the acidity of the water, which is normally around a 4.6, had dropped to about a 3.5, which indicated an issue. >After a few days, the water chemistry had not improved and water flows were increasing from about 120 gallons a minute to more than 400 gallons per minute in less than 48 hours, Barath said. Last Saturday night, the flow rates increased to "rates that I could not even estimate to you," he said.

>>8698 >Water was filling the stacks so quickly that the ground was starting to rise, Barath said. This "bulging" was temporarily stabilized but then extended hundreds of feet. >Barath submitted a report to the state on March 26, according to the state-run "Protecting Florida Together," website, which was created by DeSantis to allow more transparency about state water issues. >"I was anticipating that the gypstack itself was destabilizing at a very rapid rate and recommended that we consider an emergency discharge," he told commissioners. He said he feared that "overpressurizing" the system would result in "complete failure." >"I've spent most of my days and nights constantly monitoring all aspects of this gypstack system and identifying failure points within it," he said, noting that failure points were happening "constantly, I mean hourly." >The Florida Department of Environmental Protection said that it ordered the company to "take immediate action" to prevent further leaks. On March 30, the department said that "pipes at the facility are repaired" and controlled discharges were initiated to prevent any pressure buildup. >However, based on Barath's testimony at the meeting, the situation was far from over. He concluded his address by saying they were doing "everything possible to prevent a true catastrophe." >On Friday, another leak was detected in the south containment area of the facility. Despite overnight work to attempt to stop this and other leaks, Manatee Director of Public Safety Jake Saur said on Saturday that the situation was "escalating."

I know it's old news, but wait a second... Articles got released today saying Egypt "cleared their backlog" but there's still hundreds of ships parked there compared to before if you check the maps. Did they really only finish clearing the midpoint and now everyone is claiming they cleared the backlog to manipulate stocks ease panic? There's a fuckton of ships passing through all at the same time still. https://www.vesselfinder.com/

>>8696 Is Beijing monitoring your posts janny? >China Signals Willingness to Further Open Up Its Military-Controlled Skies >China’s top leadership has set up a new air traffic management body in sign that the government is open to making more of the country’s tightly restricted airspace available to civilian use, which has long been blamed for chronic delays in domestic flights. >Although it remains unclear whether the new body is a replacement for China’s top air traffic control body, the Air Traffic Control Commission (ATCC), its creation could represent one of the biggest reforms of China’s airspace regulation in 35 years. >The new body, the central air traffic management committee, was reported Thursday by the state-run Xinhua News Agency. >Civil industry insiders cast the new body, which is led by Vice Premier Han Zheng, as a positive signal of policymakers’ efforts to speed up airspace reform in one of the world’s largest commercial airline markets, as the industry has long called for the military-dominated ATCC to allow more airspace for civil use to meet growing demand for passenger flights. >Unlike in many countries, where air space is restricted for military use only in limited areas, all of China’s airspace is entirely under military control, with only narrow lanes approved for civilian use. That has made it difficult for airlines to open new flight routes in the country, which is a primary contributor to flight delays. >Less than 30% of China’s airspace is available for commercial flights and other civilian aircraft, compared with about 90% of the airspace in the U.S. and Europe, Li Jun, a former deputy chief of the Civil Aviation Administration of China, the civil aviation watchdog, said in a 2018 article (link in Chinese). >In recent years, the clash between China’s military and its airline industry over the use of airspace have become increasingly evident amid growing demand from both sides, a midlevel civil aviation official told Caixin. >Li said that airspace management reform had already reached the point where it required fundamental changes. “Insufficient airspace has become the biggest bottleneck restricting the development of civil aviation,” he said. https://archive.is/2sA83

https://archive.is/6aZGh >A second possible breach has been spotted at a toxic wastewater reservoir that's on the brink of collapse in central Florida, authorities said Monday. >A drone spotted the potential leak at 2 a.m. EDT as engineers and crew work around the clock to pump wastewater to safety from the Piney Point Reservoir, about 40 miles south of Tampa, officials said. >"An infrared drone identified a signature that could indicate a second breach" that caused a temporary evacuation of engineers working at the site, Manatee County Director of Public Safety Jacob Saur told reporters shortly after noon. >But "seepage rates remained steady overnight" at Piney Point, Saur said, adding that engineers "are back out at the site now and they're reassessing that." >Congressman Vern Buchanan, R-Florida, said he appreciated the work being done to pump water out of harm's way, but is still worried about a possible collapse. >The reservoir holds a mix of saltwater, fresh water, wastewater and fertilizer runoff, and Gov. Ron DeSantis told Floridians on Sunday that crews are working around the clock to prevent a collapse and possible “catastrophic flood.” >A breach at the old phosphate plant reservoir could gush out 300 million gallons in a 20-foot-high wall of water, Manatee County officials have said. >Stretches of U.S. Highway 41 have been closed off and residents of 316 homes already evacuated. And a local jail a mile away from the 77-acre pond has been evacuated. How common would incidents like this become if general conscription were enacted in the US for whatever reason?

>>8699 That's an interesting one. I wonder if "radioactive" in this case is significant, or just being thrown around to lend gravitas to the situation. Lots of shit is radioactive. Much of it won't hurt you.

>>8703 The natural state of uranium and thorium isn't that significant a concern, given our 120 year maximum lifespans Strelok. That stuff is literally everywhere on the planet. The problem with phosphogypsum is that it concentrates them as residual byproducts of the processing, and then concentrates all that concentrate into yuge gypstacks. Long-term exposure to these stacks is a problem, and it's compounded by the fact runoff water carries this stuff around in solute form. The water is hyped by the commercial media to generate hype and fear, but running it off into the ocean has few concerns for humans -- just keep your kids out of it. The gypstacks themselves are the real long-term problem. You wouldn't want to dump a pile of depleted uranium rounds near your house, right? Kind of like that just lower Geiger counts. >fun fact Potassium is radioactive, too. Put a Geiger counter near a bunch of bananas after your next trip to the grocery.

>>8701 >monitoring me Probably not (One can never be 100% certain). It's been a discussion that's been ongoing in CAAC (Think FAA) for the last ~10-15 years. Originally they planned to do that around 2015-2016 but the whole trump trade war shenanigans fucked up the supply chain for aircraft (Chinese carriers are usually using Airbus/Boeing and not ILs or their domestic builds). It took them sometime to popularize the domestic brand. My guess they would do it in 2022, but it seems they are quite confident on the current president in the USA, or desperate because they think the GOP will take the house/senate in 2022, not sure which. The original plan was drafted back in around 2002-4 tbh but Hu Jintao (the former party secretary) wasn't strong enough to force a change through. Xi on the other hand certainly has the backing to force it through, question is will he survive the backlash from the military and the party secretaries? You have to remember in China there are four competing factions in general: The party (Which is splintered into factions and thus represented by the Politburo standing committee, the civilian non party (generally minor player, aka blue checkmark thots), the military (represented by the central military committee , the MSS (They are represented by the ministry of supervision/ justice systems). Xi's reforms to the CMC in 2015 shook up the military pretty heavily, I am not sure if they are filled with lackey loyalists like the great purge era under stalin, but there seems to be at least some degree of talent in military modernization as evidenced in the type 625 SPAGG prototype (it's a unmanned version of the ZBL-08 IFV). I don't know much about point air defence/ SPAAGS, so take the below with a grain of salt, the person who wrote this article seems to work at China National Electronics Import & Export Corporation due to his knowledge of the FCS and the electronic aspects of the weapon. I've translated the portion of the article in question below. Bear in mind some of these terms are quite technical so they might not make sense: The 625 protoype has a 6x25mm set of autocannons, is light, and has newly developed FCS [Skipping the propaganda talk...] The 25mm auto cannon carriage is 25x 287mm (Is that even an actual autocannon sized projectile???), The chamber pressure is higher than 430 Mpa, muzzle velocity up to 1150m/s, shell weight 670g 2ith 25g of HE, with a conical shaped fragmentation diameter of 5-6m. At the same time, due to the 25mm being smaller than the 35mm, the rate of fire is around 2000rpm versus the old 35mm SPAG (PGZ 88 and PGZ 63 iirc) of 888 rpm. [... More propaganda skipped] The 625 prototype utilizes a rotary barrel autocannon (Like a gattling gun), this new technology is also aided with 4 guided/infrared missiles (it's inaccurate here, I suspect its misses and not guidance systems as it could read due to the picture). It is planned for these new units to enter integration into the field at the brigade level as a point defense item. The estimated radius of intercept for small and light objects is expected to be between 3000-6000m. At the same time search, firecontrol radar and TV guided (literally: Electrical-probe system??) are mounted on the top of the vehicle, and thus can track and intercept a target at a max range of 10,000m in ideal conditions (which in tibet, is never), and can actively weapon track (By this I think it means track the flight path and thus engage at any time) 6-10 targets at once. It is expected there will be a centralized brigade HQ FCS and radar collator which should allow for the vehicle to engage targets without its radar. https://www.163.com/dy/article/G20STOKA05158C06.html tl;dr. PLA made a protoype of a SPAGG based off the tunguska concept with the M163 VADS gattling gun, and a possibly downsized crotale missle. (The 2K22 missles are optical/radar guided whereas the crotale is optical/ir/radar guided) Judging from the pictures, that's not in Lhasa because it's much more hilly terrain but lower elevation (and much more vegetation), I'd place it in བྲག་ཡིབ་གྲོང་ or Bayi, a town in ཉིང་ཁྲི་གྲོང་ཁྱེར། or Nyingchi prefecture. It's the only place to receive consistent rainfall that's also technologically stable enough to see trees grow that large, there's also not the characteristic rainbow stripe like soil coloration found in the far eastern end of Tibet In regards to the gif. Was the Tibetan Military region receiving new equipment of HQ-17s (Chinese version of Tor with IFF and better radar), it shows 4 Launcher units with radar, a reloading vehicle, a command vehicle (centralizing the unit radar coverage), and a possible ammo vehicle (it's at the far left end).

>>8705 >double post I made a few errors and I can't be damned to delete this because god damn it the upload speed is atrocious. I meant "tectonic stablity", not technologically stable in regards to the deployment location. It says the 265 is unmanned, this can mean completely autonomous, or that there is no gunner and there is only a driver+radio/radar operator, OR it could mean the turret is unmanned (This is implied). I also forgot to mention. Those vehicles in the gif seemed to be intentionally covered up. This would mean that the vehicles are domestically produced dongfeng and not the MZKT chassis. Why they would do this I do not know. Maybe to keep the russians from screeching about licensing? Very strange for the decision to cover up domestic logos when Xi has been pushing hard for domestic adoption of domestic vehcles.

>>8703 From what I'm reading the concern is mostly over radium and radon.

It looks like the Turks will build this, and that's fun because they can argue that this is not covered by the Montreux convention and they are free to let any ship they want to pass.

>>8708 They've been dabbling with this project for a while now haven't they?

>>8709 Because the international community has pretty strict rules about natural waterways, but you can do whatever the fuck you want with an artificial waterway and nobody can stop you since it's part of your territory. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Northwest Passage as the Earth gets warmer.

how would you fund and supply a nationless army? Middle eastern armies like the taliban and ISIS sell heroin but is there a better more organized way to fund armies? how does boko haram get funding? is it just randsom? who is selling them all their ammo? id like to get very in depth if possible.

>>8711 three words and two are "intelligence agency"

>>8565 https://archive.md/x53FW >The Holos generator is a subcritical nuclear reactor design uses fewer nuclear pebbles so that all of the nuclear material never reaches criticality. It is subcritical in operation and it remains subcritical in all emergency scenarios. There is never enough nuclear material for a criticality event.It never gets over 1,127°C. Steel melts at 1370°C. No matter what the steel structure never melts. Cheaper because it is fully integrated at the factory with fuel, reactor and turbine machinery in a shipping container. Costs are minimized by eliminating the balance of plant. The Holos generator solely relies on air cooling.

>>8713 cue retards screeching about dirty bombs

>>8713 Couldn't these be used to power fully unmanned merchant ships?

>>8715 Yes, and you could also use them to power fully manned merchant ships, or make fully unmanned merchant ships powered by something else.

>>8716 >tfw no hohols from the zone accidentally/deliberately throwing a spent fuel pebbles overboard in the Suez during sportsball practice >tfw no hueg scandal after livestock on carriers that passed through the Suez is found to be contaminated

>>8713 You could put that into a vehicle, mount a laser on it, and have a reasonably mobile AA weapon.

>>8718 Or replace diesel-electric trains with nuclear ones. Especially on very long routes (think of Russia), I can see a small nuclear power plant being comparably priced to electrifying the whole line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi >In 1926–27, Kishi traveled around the world to study industry and industrial policy in various industrialised states around the world, such as the United States, Germany, and the Soviet Union.[11] In 1929, he was deeply "shocked and impressed" with the Soviet first five-year plan, which left him a convinced believer in state-sponsored industrial development.[11] Besides the Five Year Plan, which left Kishi with an obsession with economic planning, Kishi was also greatly impressed with the labor management theories of Frederick Winslow Taylor in the United States, the German policy of industrial cartels and the high status of German technological engineers within the German business world.[12][11] >Kishi was one of the more prominent members of a group of "reform bureaucrats" within the Japanese government who favored a statist model of economic development with the state guiding and directing the economy.[13] From 1933 onwards, Kishi regularly attacked democracy in his speeches and praised Nazi Germany as a model for Japan.[14] Very similar in their thinking as regards the "reform bureaucrats" in their plans to do away with laissez faire capitalism were the "total war" faction within the Imperial Japanese Army who wanted Japan to become a totalitarian "national defense state" whose economy would be geared entirely towards supporting the military.[15] In the early 1930s, Kishi forged an alliance between the "total war" school in the military and the "reform bureaucrats" in the civil service.[16] >In September 1931, the Kwantung Army seized the Chinese region of Manchuria ruled by the warlord Zhang Xueliang, the "Young Marshal", and turned it into the nominally independent "Empire of Manchukuo" supposedly ruled by the Emperor Puyi. Manchukuo was a sham, and in reality it was a Japanese colony; Manchuko had all the trappings of a state, but it was not a real country.[16] All of the ministers in the Manchukuo government were Chinese or Manchus, but all of the deputy ministers were Japanese, and these were the men who really ruled Manchukuo. Kishi visited Manchukuo several times starting in the fall of 1931, where he quickly became friends with the leading officers in the Kwantung Army.[6] >As an important bureaucrat in Tokyo, Kishi played a major role in forcing out the private shareholders in the South Manchuria Railway company, which was the largest corporation in Asia at the time, so that the Kwantung Army could become a shareholder instead.[6] Kishi's uncle, Yōsuke Matsuoka, was president of the South Manchuria Railroad, and Kishi advised his uncle that making an alliance with the Kwantung Army was in the best interests of the corporation, and had the additional benefit of winning Kishi much goodwill from the officers of the Kwantung Army, who appreciated getting their share of the South Manchuria Railroad company's profits.[6] Besides the railroads, the South Manchuria Railroad company also owned oil fields, hotels, ports, telephone lines, mines and the telegraph lines in Manchuria, making it the dominant corporation in Manchuria.[6] >Right from the start, the Japanese Army planned to turn Manchukuo into the industrial powerhouse of the Japanese empire and carried out a policy of forced industrialization with a reckless disregard for human life; the model for Manchukuo was the Soviet First Five Year Plan.[16] Deeply distrustful of capitalism, the military completely excluded the zaibatsu from investing in Manchukuo, and instead all industrial development in Manchuria was carried out by state-owned corporations.[16] Reflecting the military's ideas about the "national defense state", Manchukuo's industrial development was focused completely upon heavy industry such as steel production for the purposes of arms manufacture.[16] In 1935, Kishi was appointed Manchukuo's Deputy Minister of Industrial Development.[16] Kishi was given complete control of Manchukuo's economy by the military, with the authority to do whatever he liked just as long as industrial growth was increased.[17]

>>8720 >After his appointment, Kishi persuaded the military to allow private capital into Manchukuo, successfully arguing that the military's policy of having the state-owned corporations leading Manchukuo's industrial development was costing the Japanese state too much money.[16] Kishi envisioned a "planned economy" for Manchukuo where bureaucrats such as himself would direct the zaibatsu into selected industries, which would create the necessary industrial basis for the "national defense state".[18] In place of the previous policy of "one industry, one firm" for Manchukuo, Kishi brought in a new policy of "all industries, one firm".[16] One of the zaibatsu that Kishi selected to invest in Manchukuo, the Nissan group, was headed by another of Kishi's uncles.[19] In order to make it profitable for the zaibatsu to invest in Manchukuo, Kishi had a policy of lowering the wages of the workers to the lowest possible point, even below the "line of necessary social reproduction" as he once put it.[20] The purpose of Manchukuo was to provide the industrial basis for the "national defense state" with Driscoll noting "Kishi's planned economy was geared towards production goals and profit taking, not competition with other Japanese firms; profit come primarily from rationalizing labor costs as much as possible. The ne plus ultra of wage rationalization would be withholding pay altogether-that is unremunerated forced labor."[21] >Kishi favored giant conglomerates as the engines of industrial growth as the best way of achieving economics of scale. The system that Kishi pioneered in Manchuria of a state-guided economy where corporations made their investments on government orders later served as the model for Japan's post-1945 development, albeit not with same level of brutal exploitation as in Manchukuo.[28] Later on, Kishi's statist model for economic development was adopted in South Korea and China, albeit not executed with anywhere near the same brutality as in Manchuria.[28] >In 1936, Kishi was one of the drafters of a proposed 3.13 billion yen Five Year Plan, which was intended to drastically increase industrial production both within Manchukuo and Japan itself to the point that Japan could fight a total war by 1941.[29] Kishi's "communistic" Five Year Plan created much opposition from the zaibatsu, who were not keen to see his statist Manchurian system extended to Japan; not the least because in Kishi's system, the purpose of private enterprise was to serve the state rather than make a profit, and in December 1936 following an extensive lobbying campaign by the industrialists, the Five Year Plan was rejected by the Imperial Diet.[30] However, the Five Year Plan, which rejected for Japan, went ahead in Manchukuo.[31] The intention of the Five Year Plan was to focus on heavy industry for military purposes and to vastly increase production of coal, steel, electricity and weapons.[31] One of the corporations founded for the Five Year Plan was the state-owned Manchurian Corporation for Development of Heavy Industry in 1937, which in its first year, had 5.2 billion yen invested in it by the Japanese state, making it by far the largest capital project in the Japanese empire; the total expenditure by the state for 1937 was 2.5 billion yen and for 1938 3.2 billion yen.[31] The Japanese historian Hotta Eri wrote that never before in Japanese history had the state ever embarked upon such a gigantic project such as the Five Year Plan.[31] >The Japanese conscripted hundreds of thousands of Chinese as slave labor to work in Manchukuo's heavy industrial plants. In 1937, Kishi signed a decree calling for the use of slave labour to be conscripted both in Manchukuo and in northern China, stating that in these "times of emergency" (i.e. war with China), industry needed to grow at all costs, and slavery would have to be used as the money to pay the workers was not there.[32] The American historian Mark Driscoll wrote that just as African slaves were taken to the New World on the "Middle Passage", it would be right to speak of the "Manchurian Passage" as vast numbers of Chinese peasants were rounded up to be taken as slaves to Manchukuo.[33] Starting in 1938 and continuing to 1945, about one million Chinese were taken every year to work as slaves in Manchukuo.[34] The harsh conditions of Manchukuo were well illustrated by the Fushun coal mine, which at any given moment had about 40,000 men working as miners, of whom about 25,000 had to be replaced every year as their predecessors had died due to poor working conditions and low living standards.[31] I wonder how these policies would work today. With automatization you don't need to draft millions of bugmen to run your industrial machine, but maintaining it during prolonged periods of peace seems to be an issue.

>>8720 Kishi sounds pretty based. Very practical minded person. Archaic a bit to contemporary age, I wonder how close his economic process was to Kantrovich.

>>8720 >totalitarian Any Wikipedia page that has buzzwords like that is obvious ideological bias. Best not to take such page seriously and look at primary sources.

‘World first’ as hydrogen used to power commercial steel production https://archive.md/BrSxb >Hydrogen has been used to power commercial steel production for the first time, replacing liquefied natural gas (LNG) as the source of high-temperature heat at a pilot project in Sweden. Swedish steel maker Ovako’s trial at its Hofors steel mill, in conjunction with hydrogen producer Linde Gas, showed that H2 had no affect on the quality of steel. >Ovako already uses electric-arc furnaces powered by renewable energy to melt scrap steel and produce its base product, but LNG to provide the heat at its rolling mills — where pre-produced steel is passed through pairs of rollers that reduce its thickness and makes the thickness uniform. >Both green and blue hydrogen are currently expensive to produce, available in limited quantities and would increase the cost of steel production, so companies are reluctant to make the switch — unless the clean H2 was subsidised in some way. With this technology you can completely eliminate coal from the equation, because to make hydrogen gas you need water and electricity, and both steel mills and nuclear power plants need a lot of water, so they are usually located next to rivers anyway. And you might even substitute iron ore with just scrap iron, especially in a total war situation where you draft large segment of the population, and you might as well melt down their cars to turn them into tanks.

>>8724 >because to make hydrogen gas you need water and electricity, and both steel mills and nuclear power plants need a lot of water, so they are usually located next to rivers anyway. Sorry mate, but no. There's such a thing as the laws of physics, you know (specifically the Second Law of Thermodynamics). Perpetual-motion Machines don't real. The energy cost of electrolysis to extract H2 + O from H2O far outstrip the energy potential stored in these products of the process. I imagine the article suggests otherwise (didn't read it lol b/c the great Cuckflare Wall pick a different archiver, strelok) and conveniently overlooks the basic fact that almost all hydrogen production comes directly from the natural gas itself.

>>8725 >The energy cost of electrolysis to extract H2 + O from H2O far outstrip the energy potential stored in these products of the process Electrolysis needs so much power that a nuclear power plant is just not enough?

>>8725 Did you even read the entire headline before writing that post? This has nothing to do with generating electricity.

>>8725 Coal is needed as a metallurgical component in steel retard, he isn't talking about hydrogen power plants.

>>8724 They say right in the article that it's extremely costly, faggot. Costly = requires infrastructure that attributes to the carbon footprint and affects the end user's bottom line.

>>8729 Friendo, we are on the board dedicated to weapons and warfare, not environmentalism and penny-pinching. A steel mill that only needs electricity, water, and either iron ore or scarp iron is easier to deal with than a steel mill that also needs a constant supply of coal. Water is available on-site, and you could power the steel mill with those miniature nuclear power plant discussed before, and at that point you only need to worry about the iron. If you remember what happened with German industry during ww2 once the Amis started bombing railway chokepoints, you might see why a significantly more self-sufficient steel mill is relevant to the thread.

>>8728 >as a metallurgical component The headline literally says "power". They're not talking about the metallurgy. It's being burned for heat. At least his misunderstanding of "power" as electrical power rather than heat is a reasonable mistake if he read the headline without being able to access the rest of the article, but your confusion doesn't even make sense.

>>8731 >a reasonable mistake if he read the headline without being able to access the rest of the article, >>8724 >Hydrogen has been used to power commercial steel production for the first time, replacing liquefied natural gas (LNG) as the source of high-temperature heat at a pilot project in Sweden.

How do Hohols and the current Russian military deal with распу́тица these days?

>>8730 I'll have to go back and read the thread, but based on my experience with industrial settings, there's virtually no difference in how you run the mill after you exceed about a million dollars worth of product. Once you get into those dollar amounts, energy costs start to become trivial and heat dissipation is actually a bigger deal. The thing about hydrolysis is that it doesn't upscale so good and requires more energy than you put into it to produce since you are creating fuel to burn, not just burning fuel. It works if you can gravity-feed the system or store energy using solar if you live along one of the two 35-45 degree global belts, maybe wind on particularly windy islands, but steel mills require a lot more energy and you would need a Frito Lay Sunchips sized solar power station to store that kind of potential energy. You know the one that's an old marvel of the world and got featured in New Vegas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin%E2%80%93Hokkaido_Tunnel How autistic would it be to use standard gauge for the tunnel? There are plenty of wagons with variable gauge axes that can switch between broad and standard in Europe, and the Japanese also have projects to develop wagons that can switch between narrow and standard. They could lay standard gauge in the tunnel, build container terminals in both end, and just have both kind of variable gauge wagons go back-and-forth, and around the terminals they both could build dual gauge tracks for themselves (narrow and standard for the Japs, standard and broad for the Ruskies). Of course, there is still the problem of the Japanese having their own specific kind of shipping containers.

>>8735 Or there is the significantly more sensible alternative of building a triple gauge track that can handle mixes all three of them into one. Although I can't find an example that combines standard gauge with 1067mm and 1520mm, but that shouldn't be that different from what is on the second picture. Even more, the 1067mm would be more of a bonus in that case, and you could use all around Russia. Although I have no idea why would a Japanese railcar show up in Poland.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pH0oafZKiDY This is some nice train autism, and helps you imagine why train schedules at the beginning of ww1 were so important, and why bombing the German rail yards in ww2 crippled their industry.

>due to Corona-chan's popularity waning the demand for oil and natural gas suddenly went up after it was about to hit rock bottom in 2020 >meanwhile the EU set up a new, completely speculative market for natural gas as an alternative to the old system of fixed long term contracts, thinking that Russians will have to constantly compete with LNG from all over the world >now all the LNG goes to Asia, as they pay a premium for it, mostly because Shina suddenly decided to get rid of coal burning power plants (causing frequent blackouts in the process) >Russia also delivered a lot less gas both in 2020 and 2021, so all the European reservoirs are empty >a lot of said reservoirs were also bought up by the Russian, as they were up for sale as part of setting up the new market >the cost of electric power is also up, as there's not enough gas, and all these fancy renewable sources were underperforming the last few weeks >and some 400 000 truck drivers are missing from Europe >and according to long term forecasts this is going to be one of the coldest winters in Europe in recent memory

>>8738 >all these fancy renewable sources were underperforming the last few weeks It's kinda funny that they installed them to "tackle" climate change but then they're vulnerable to the effects of a change in climate making them useless.

>>8738 Don't forget that Germany is shuttering some of its nukes, which make up 13% of their electricity produced, this winter because Merkel pissed herself over Fukushima. Blackouts are to be expected. As an upside, there'll be a lot less urbanites come spring. Country folk have wood stoves as backup. >>8739 They're useless as it is. Only reason they're "economical" is that cheap fossil fuels are used to produce them. Nobody could afford renewables produced with renewables. And that's leaving out the far, far higher risk of blackouts and brownouts with renewables because they're inherently at the mercy of mother nature and there's no way to build enough batteries to compensate for all that risk. For example, it's entirely possible to have a year with very little wind, or a lot of cloud cover. Replacing predictable energy sources with unpredictable sources is a losing proposition.

>>8740 >Replacing predictable energy sources with unpredictable sources is a losing proposition. Don't worry, you don't need a manufacturing base when you can just order everything that you need from China thanks to globalized supply chains(tm).

>>8740 Don't the northern cities have radiative water heating utilities powered by geothermal? Or am I thinking of Canada? >Year of little wind/sun While in general I agree that renewables are not a permanent fuel source nor are they even cost-effective as an alternative/auxiliary system most of the time, there are many places on Earth where you do consistently have solar (the two 35-40 degree belts outside areas of heavy rainfall, which are rare in those belts) and consistently have wind (Great Plains, parts of Scotland, etc.). Germany's problem is that they are north of the ideal solar area and they are also not along any major wind pattern areas, so relying on either is fucking retarded since only small parts of Germany are even cost-effective for windmills.

>>8740 I also haven't mentioned that the fertilizer industry uses natural gas as raw material, and many of the plants in Europe scaled back their production, or outright shut down to the time being. And of course the price of fertilizer goes up globally, and that will also make food more expensive. And I take I don't have to point out that the costs of energy and transportation directly tie to everything, and that inflation is also up everywhere. I don't think that we will see a sudden collapse, but if it keeps up then most of an average person's salary will go towards basic necessities, and maybe some segments of the population will be simply priced out of life.

>>8740 >Replacing predictable energy sources with unpredictable sources is a losing proposition. Even if you could predict that source, they can't produce enough energy. I went to a geothermal power plant where they were conducting a solar panel experiment, they had a lot of different types of solar panels with no movement, 2 axis movement, 3 axis movement. At the end, they needed a shit load of land to produce what the geothermal power plant was producing and of course batteries for the night. The 3 axis movement solar panel were great at producing more energy, but if something happened and it stopped working correctly, they needed to hire some guy in europa to come and fix it. Yes, it wasn't FOSS, so they let the damn thing sit there broken. Solar panels can be useful for some situations, in my third world shit country the domestic sector has a subsidy, because people are "poor," so they get cheaper energy. What the government should do is sell solar panels to the domestic sector at affordable prices along side a yearly maintenance so that they know those damn things are still working. That way they can slowly cancel the subsidy and steal the money for themselves. Anyway the solution for fossil energy is nuclear energy, but people too retarded to realize that.

Here is a random link from an academic that goes into logistics, very interesting site: https://www.hgwdavie.com/blog/2017/5/25/the-tempo-of-operations-in-the-railway-age Anyone have anything relating to the foraging operations in preindustrial armies? I am not sure how it works, most accounts I have found are vague in antidotal stories and general concepts.

>>8745 "Caesar's Legion: The Epic Saga of Julius Caesar's Elite Tenth Legion and the Armies of Rome" describes a harvesting operation of a Roman legion in Gaul that ends up going very wrong. In short, stores in a marching fort that's been occupied for longer than planned are running low and it's harvest time, so the commander (a legate, IIRC) sends out a unit of men (I think it was two centuries, but it could've been a cohort as well). They get a couple empty carts and sickles, but march out in full equipment since the enemy might ambush them. When harvesting, a platoon of men would stand watch with weapons, while the others grabbed the harvesting equipment and cut grain stalks and throw them on the cart (bundling them together too, I think). They then end up getting ambushed by cavalry, retreat with the full cart towards the fort, but end up forming up on a hill near the fort, where they get cut down to a man.

>>8745 >foraging in pre-industrial armies. A few of the older Chinese works go in to great detail since it was considered a key component. But they are in old Chinese. I'll give you an example. There is the "tuntian" system historically before the middle ages where soldiers would train in the winter, but work in the harvest and sowing in an area. These "Soldiers" (I believe the proper term nowdays would be auxilaries or reservists) would be called up as needed when conflict arose. There's a lot discuss about bluffing the enemy. One famous instance is where a general was matched up against someone who was very cautious (think Montgomery), so he got soldiers to build straw soldiers with weapons, got the drummers to drum louder than usual, lit up more bonfires. He then took the majority of his force to steal what would be the enemies harvest dressed in plain clothes during the night.

>>8738 https://archive.vn/Z8JYv It would seem Europe's plan is to act as a middle-man and either directly sell gas or supply gas to Ukraine via Slovakia instead of helping them to transition to an agricultural/industrial economy. More importantly based on what I'm reading, the Germans and French are planning long-term to siphon any talent left in the Ukraine off to other Western countries via educational/business programs, exacerbating the situation further. At this point I suspect the EU wants Russia to go to war with Ukraine in order to absolve themselves of their responsibility to try and help fix the Ukraine problem, but they can't say it outright else Ukraine might try fleeing to nearby states instead of only letting their talented slip through the cracks into EU clutches.

>>8542 Any anons ITT ever tried foxhole? It really soothes my autism to make guns and ammo and medical supplies and then truck them around to places.

3D printing is mostly just a meme if we are speaking about industrialized war, but could they have their small but important niche in making turbine blades? Of course those are not the whole story if you want to mass produce turbines, but maybe even a second or third rate power could make new blades to maintain existing turbines in everything from jet fighters to power plants.

>>8749 The logistics game has got really complex over time since the first alpha test, and you need to work in groups of other players. It used to be you had a bunch of scrap at spawn, carried that to a factory also at spawn, and made whatever you want. Now you'll need trucks, multiple players, and moving between multiple grids in the map for different factories to produce different weapons or supplies. It oftentimes ends up as a game that's just purely a zerg between chokepoints and fortifications if you play as a normal soldier. Whoever lasts the longest with their respawns and rifles, will probably end up defeating the others. The map was too large for the playerbase when I played in 2019 or so, think it had about 800 players then? It has over twice that now, so it's probably fine there. I think it's worth trying out but it's kind of meh playing alone. It's not very expensive when on sale, though. Think I got it for $15. I'll reinstall it again and probably get back to you in some time.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bH96yjd6BKU Long story short, Bosnians still have a few Kriegsloks that they use to this day to haul coal from the mines to the power plant. It's a very short route, and the trains need constant maintenance, but it seems to work.

>>8750 The places I've seen 3D printing used in military industry is in forming the outer tubing for missiles (since ABS and 3D printed PVC are both rigid but malleable enough for most short-range missile tubes) due to being significantly cheaper than metal equivalents even if it takes 2-3 days per missile, and in small applications in holding shit together on printed circuit boards. I could see turbine blades, but aluminum is cheap enough that it's still a better material for that kind of work. Guns and ammo would unironically be a good use of 3D printing since you could print most of the gun while using aluminum or ceramics for the rest, allowing for the quick creation of a "metal-free" guns for special case scenarios or just creating loads of disposable guns for poorly trained conscripts that only need to last some 300-1200 rounds of ammunition being fed through them. I think the place where 3D printing technology would shine the most is actually in construction. You can use 3D printing technology in conjunction with concrete to quickly throw up structures that you don't need to run wiring/plumbing through or if you do, you can drill out the hole as an afterthought and only expect to last a decade tops. The process is entirely automated and the machines for 3D printing houses out of concrete can already build a 6 person domicile in about 24 hours using track that can be thrown down in about 10 minutes. If you're using it as temporary barracks or refugee shelters, then you can fit 5x as many people into the same space. It's automated so the engineering corps can be defending the machine & concrete truck instead of doing the work themselves freeing up manpower, and it has both combat and humanitarian uses. Then again Edison's concrete house molds created in the late 1800s do the same thing just with a little more labor involved.

>>8753 There is the alternative of going full autismo with containers. You could even use foldable ones: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8Dv4hxWMfSk

>>8754 Wait, last one is a different kind of battlebox.

>>8754 Having lived in a decked-out shipping container for a few weeks, I think I'd prefer the concrete house. I do see the appeal of being easy to tow around, but it seems like an "even more temporary" solution for shorter conflicts. I'm thinking more structures such as walls or houses that need to last a few years. Plus shipping container shortages are an issue while concrete shortages are indicative of a much larger problem.

>>8756 Are they stuffy and either too hot or too cold? I guess with modern insulation and a heat pump you can solve the temperature problem, but that makes them way too expensive for what they do, and they are still stuffy. Not to mention that you could most likely stuff enough tents for a whole battalion into a single shipping container.

>>8752 For a short freight route such as this the Kriegslok is perfect. There have been rumors of second-hand EMD units replacing the Kriegslok but I find this unlikely. The Tulza mine company will almost certainly keep the JŽ 33's until the greatest expense of a steam engine (skilled labor) begins to rise. Hopefully the Porta treatment will be considered instead of outright replacement.

>>8757 Too stuffy and too cold. Sleeping in a shipping container with 13 other guys working hard gets real stinky and insulation on the walls only really helps in the spring/autumn evenings, not winter temperatures. We had a heat pump but it basically reversed the issue when turned on and the whole thing became an oven. Which was preferable to blizzard conditions outside, but not great.

>>8757 containers suck since they're made of steel so the heat conducts right out and you need 4 to 6 inches of insulation on every surface. They're basically hermetically sealed since they float, so with 6 dudes living in one everything gets mouldy and stuffy. These problems aren't insurmountable but the costs start to skyrocket and the fuel/energy costs in the field go up too. Personally, I'd rather have a canvas tent with an oil drip heater. Cheaper to acquire, maintain, and healthier.

>>8753 >I could see turbine blades, but aluminum is cheap enough that it's still a better material for that kind of work. Are turbine blades machined out of aluminium?

>>8761 Either titanium or aluminum. Sometimes with carbon mixed in.

>>8762 That's only true for the compression side. The decompression side uses nickle based alloys, mostly inconel.

>>8763 Huh. Learn something new every day.

When greenfags aren't screeching about Chernobyl and Fukushima, they try to deride nuclear power plants for not being able to follow the ever-changing demand for electricity. Which is much more true about their beloved renewable energy sources, but I digress. Nuclear fuel is used to heat water, and in turn that water turns other water into steam, then that steam runs some turbines. But couldn't you just reroute some of the steam to a steam accumulator, and quickly decrease the energy output that way, until the reactor itself gets less reactive? And when demand goes up you can use that excess steam to rev up the turbines until the reactor powers up again. Is there anything fundamentally wrong with just rerouting the steam? Costs are always an argument, but covering every field with solar panels and windmills is also quite expensive, and I imagine it might not be impossible to refit an existing nuclear power plant extra pipes and vessels so that it can reroute steam at a moment's notice.

>>8752 >>8758 I wonder if we will see steam trains in Europe now that coal is back on the menu. Although if you shuffle coal between a mine and a power plant, then you can just electrify the railway line and then you don't have to bring out museum pieces or develop modern steam locomotives.

>>8766 >Steam trains in Europe >The year is 2023 >Every form of refined Petroleum aside from bunker oil and small quantities of Diesel are unavailable commercially due to embargoes from Russia and OPEC. >The large UK and German heritage fleets have been put back into use pulling main line traffic. >The Duke of Gloucester now pulls the Flèche d'Or from London to Paris Daily and can be seen tearing out of Calais at 17:30. All fun aside steam will not be reinstated on the continent during this crisis. All main line water cranes, water troughs and fuel bunkers have been removed. Steam is seen as very outdated and would not be used even if the correct solution.

>>8765 I'm sure you could but not sure how the reactor gets less reactive unless you're adjusting the control rods or some automated safety mechanism is whenever the turbine slows. How efficient are accumulators at steam retention?

>>8768 >how the reactor gets less reactive unless you're adjusting the control rods By doing exactly that. Even after you adjust the rods there is still a lot of heat, and you just use that to create extra steam for the accumulator. And when you have a surge you use that extra steam to rev up the turbines until the reactor gets more reactive again. >How efficient are accumulators at steam retention? I do admit that I'm quite out of my depth here, but as far as I understand you just pump steam into a vessel, and it will remain high pressure steam as long as it retains enough heat. I'd be surprised if we couldn't make one with modern insulation that can keep the steam hot enough for about 8-10 hours.

>>8767 >Steam is seen as very outdated and would not be used even if the correct solution. To be fair, you can electrify a line, burn the coal in a power plant, and you have the same end result, except that you don't have to bring back all the infrastructure and know-how to run steam trains. And later on you can replace that power plant with something else (preferably hydro or nuclear). My question is more about small scale, very specific cases, similar to the one in Bosnia. E.g. a local train autist community somewhere in rural Germany decides to shuffle people and goods between two towns with a vintage locomotive. It might be more likely than we think: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=B7g7PRJowzo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molli_railway#Stock_List >In 2009, the locomotive 99 2324 was built for the Molli Railway at the Meiningen Steam Locomotive Works. It is a replica of a standard locomotive, the DR Class 99.32. This was the first steam locomotive to be built in Germany for regular operations in almost half a century. The reconstruction was based on historic plans using modern manufacturing techniques. To get the rush of photographers out of the way, the new engine bore the running numbers of its sister engines of the same class during trials before being officially accepted into service.

How hard would it be to set up a semiconductor industry from scratch to the level that you can manufacture 90s computers? And as an interim solution, could a country cannibalize pretty much anything from desktop computers to goyphones in order to run industrial processes? The more I think about it, the more it looks like that most of the developments since 2000 in this field are driven a lot more by consumer demand for entertainment boxes than by ˝serious needs˝.

>>8771 >The more I think about it, the more it looks like that most of the developments since 2000 in this field are driven a lot more by consumer demand for entertainment boxes than by ˝serious needs˝. You're not supposed to notice that. It also comes dangerously close to understanding that even a lot of so called "serious uses" are also unnecessary bullshit, like the fake crisis with car manufacturing and people claiming you can't build new cars without chips because it's illegal, when a rational person would just call for a repeal of regulations and let companies build old fashioned cars that aren't rolling computers. You could have cheap, easily built, easily maintained, reliable cars pumped out at a phenomenal pace if it was necessary.

>>8767 The solution is obvious: Nuclear powered trains. >>8772 >cheap, easily built, easily maintained, reliable cars Oy vey, think of the poor car manufacturers if cars lasted over a decade without shitting themselves in expensive ways you can only fix with them.

>>8772 You can even still have last-generation chips. It's just the last-generation chips don't have proprietary software with an active copyright. >>8773 That has more to do with subscription models of ownership rather than planned obsolescence. You can still have planned obsolescence while making things repairable.

>>8771 That's actually what China did. They bought up all the obsolete chip manufacturing stuff to build up their industry on paper, only to find its all dead end stuff.

>>8771 >And as an interim solution, could a country cannibalize pretty much anything from desktop computers to goyphones in order to run industrial processes? They could and they should but they won't because the goyphones conglomerates hold too much sway in the economy and at the same time 11 eyes nations, China and a bunch of other governments really like having tracers on everyone at all times.

>>8775 Could you elaborate, especially on the dead end part? >>8776 I'm thinking of a borderline post-apocalyptic scenario where you can hook up a goyphone to e.g. run a CNC machine.

>>8777 >Could you elaborate, especially on the dead end part? I'm not 100% sure on what he meant, but generally in the semiconductor industry it's not "one continuous march of progress" but rather discrete leaps and bounds in specific technologies when breakthroughs are discovered followed by a short period of optimization of that strategy. Transistors have a theoretical upper size limit (lower size limit?) for instance that phones/computers were quickly approaching since about 2015, but breakthroughs in vacuum tube technology in the last decade have allowed for vacuum tubes that are even smaller than the smallest transistor crystal arrays while functioning the same way as a transistor crystal array.

>>8776 Another issue is almost all processors are proprietary (the big reason RISC-V was a big deal with computer engineering students since it's the only open source architecture for learning processors) so unless that country is a big enough share of the market that can't be gutted or have a strong enough computer engineering team to reverse-engineer that shit (almost impossible for most companies as they add more hardware DRM year after year), the international megacorps can just walk away if a country demands the schematics.

>>8779 But even the Proprietary Meme does not really work since in the end it's all Taiwanese/Chink manufacturing that reuse the same schematics and just append a different owner on it. There's a clip about this floating around but I don't have the webm, basically western companies contract Taiwanese hardware manufacturers for similar products and rather than making them from scratch all the time they reuse like 99% of the assets, western companies notice that their counterpart is using a similar product and start suing each other. >>8778 I've heard a far harsher reality in that most of the computational tech developed extremely quickly because it was highly unregulated for the longest of time.

>>8553 The decline was inevitable once the New Deal State was born. The New Deal State immediately began to sponsor various puppets and stooges, including Germany and Soviet Union (and never stopped - who is the last Moderate Rebel, again?) This "help" sped up WWII the way it was. WWII (along with its prologue and epilogue stages) massively brain-drained Europe (consider little Hungary alone: https://newrepublic.com/article/71697/missile-man ) and then made USA hegemonic (between taking over British colonies and competitors being ruined). This made Harvard more important than Royal Society. Sure, Royal Society was halfway to Laputa, but they at least remembered what it was about. Harvard always was a theological institution. "Progress" is just another euphemism for "Predestination". "Mainstream Protestant" and "Progressive" were mostly synonymous for a while. Theology is not science, but it can pretend. Yet science and pseudoscience cannot just coexist in a stable equilibrium. Science was already brought too close to power by the Mugwumps. And power corrupts. Then nukes brought science even closer to power. Cold War (or rather its arms race) forced a big unprincipled exception for R&D, as long as it lasted. But once it ended, welcome to gender studies and other trash.

>>8781 >guys the US and Germans and Russians were on the same side!!!! Ukraine general was a mistake

>>8542 >A thread where we can sperg out share our thoughts about everything that goes into an industrialized war. >everything that goes into an industrialized war. Demographic homogeneity of culture. However, this no longer applies to Western nations, thus we have regressed to a society prior to the treaty of Westphalia (when nation states in the modern sense began to conduct wars on behalf of regional collectives). Henceforth, nation states are proxies with which to fight wars. Nation states are effectively contracted mercenaries of commercial entities. Thus discussions of "logistics" in the sense used in early 20th century conflicts is moot. Since differences between military and commercial resilient delivery are artificial. Pics related. Internal attacks on commercial rail freight logistics in LA, USA emulate the internal attacks on military hardware in Ukraine, resulting in kamikaze drones sold on the black market.

>>8783 >, thus we have regressed to a society prior to the treaty of Westphalia (when nation states in the modern sense began to conduct wars on behalf of regional collectives). What the hell "on behalf of regional collectives" even means? It's so much simpler. >> the nomos of the earth > The heart of modern international law is the right of the international community, which just happens to be shaped rather like the 200-year-old Anglo-American empire, to distinguish between ethical and unethical war, and use the former to stop the latter. > As Schmitt observes, this unipolar design is not just in conflict with the classical law; it is actually a resurrection of the medieval law of nations, with its concept of “just war.” Naturally it was the Vatican which decided whether a war was just—and shifting this onus to the Truman Building only reflects Washington’s role as the Fourth Rome. Conversely, under classical international law, the "jus ad bellum" is a necessary attribute of sovereignty. Almost by definition: there's nobody in a legitimate position to resolve disputes between any two arbitrary sovereigns. Or authority to interpret some sort of One True Teaching and enforce their adherence to it, etc. Without some equivalent of Vatican, that is.

Not strictly logistics, but how much specialized and hard-to-come-by equipment would a country need to make its own encrypted communication systems? You can send digital data through radio waves, and then question is how then data you want to send is turned into a series of 0s and 1s that only the target can decipher . Could one use free and open source software for that purpose, and then just have some generic single board computers with dumb radios attached to them?

>>8785 You'd need your own semiconductor industry, since you can't trust other countries to not backdoor your shit. Not just the final fab of boards them selves. There's only two countries on earth capable of that and it's the USA (albeit with the non profitable consumer parts outsourced to allies), and China (not as bleeding edge as US) Encryption in military is generally symmetric cipher I think. So unless quantum stops being a meme that means you will be using a symmetric stream cipher, where the the "key" is identical on both ends and changes constantly as you transmit, you take a very large (pseudorandom) hash and permute it based on the time of the device and then send small bits of the entire message at a time. This is a little different from say, and elliptic curve where you take a large random prime number and just MULTIPLY. That means you need: A functional mathematics/cryptography (educational) industry Semiconductor industry IT able to implement this as non retards (software industry) For semiconductors you need mining (raw materials), chemical (for the process to create wafers), material science (clean room) photolithography machines (laser), machinists (see before), design labs (for the instruction set architecture and the board itself), utilities. Metallic inputs are sillicon, copper and a bunch of rarer transition and metalloids.

>>8786 >you can't trust other countries to not backdoor your shit. Do backdoors mean anything if the only networking device a simple radio that is only supposed to receive a stream of digital data, and the manufacturer has no say in how you encrypt that? I just can't see how could they send instructions to some hardware backdoor when the program that handles the digital data should reject anything not encrypted the right way as garbage. >the "key" is identical on both ends and changes constantly as you transmit, you take a very large (pseudorandom) hash and permute it based on the time of the device and then send small bits of the entire message at a time. I'm not sure if I understand correctly, but does it mean that all devices share the same key, even if it is a constantly changing one?

>>8787 Strelok, a backdoor is a significant issue because for encryption there are two main attack vectors: A flaw in the hardware/software/algorythm which you can exploit to take the key A flaw in human cognition (read: retards) who get killed, or loose their key to an adversary. You can't really prevent no 2. but you can prevent no 1. The human factor is always the weakest but there's no changing that. A"simple" digital radio is in fact using a processor (albiet weaker than say your phone). They need that computational power to encrypt,decrypt, change the keys, and modulate the frequencies they go on (most digitals radios have frequency modulation). You can have multiple "keys" in most devices, or you can change the hash (the really large pseudorandom string, this is usually a military grade feature) used to generate the key but the algorithm remains the same usually. >I just can't see how could they send instructions to some hardware backdoor when the program that handles the digital data should reject anything not encrypted the right way as garbage. >Manufacturer has no say Stream ciphers generally require hardware implementation because it would be too computationally expensive software wise. Backdoors are extremely important as someone could just get the radio to send them your key. For example, a hidden command that you don't know which would give them full access to your radio (key included). Most likely the backdoor would be in the instruction set of the processor, and the spooks have been known to modify electronics of wiretapping victims to have hardware backdoors. x86 has a ton of "unlisted" commands for example, most ostensibly for "development" but there's definitely glow shit in there.

>>8785 Folks have been making encryption devices that plug into your headphone jack for over a decade now that the FBI struggles to crack since making encryption significantly difficult enough for someone to be unable to unencrypt it (without the use of incredibly expensive and limited equipment) isn't that hard. However, keeping the encryption keys secret is incredibly hard if you're relying on prebuilt computer architecture like Israeli-made CPUs as the most infamous example. >>8786 Several countries have semiconductor industries. Most of South-Central Europe like Croatia still has the infrastructure for it. It's just too expensive for those facilities to build consumer-grade semiconductors and compete with China/America so it's mostly national security-related items. The only area really incapable of producing semiconductor technologies for local purposes with the right investments are the majority of South America and Southern Asia because it's either too humid or too high-altitude (not that it can't be done small-batch, but never at export levels). >>8787 Some countries (China, Israel, America, Germany, allegedly Russia) have developed "smart hardware" that has built-in commands to hijack a NIC and transmit data abroad to some central intelligence server. This wasn't a problem when boards largely consisted of inductors, transistors, and capacitors, however anything at an encryption level that a laptop can't crack that doesn't cost six figures per unit is going to require microchips of one form or another which can be compromised quite easily. Even your standard Radio amplifier and tuner these days runs on a basic microchip instead of a dozen transistors acting as filters/OpAmps.

>>8789 >Folks have been making encryption devices that plug into your headphone jack for over a decade now that the FBI struggles to crack What are these devices and how they work?

>>8789 >Most Southern European countries still have infra for semis Strelok, forgive me for being ignorant but I thought NATO had bombed the absolute shit out of those in the former Yugoslavs during the wars in the 90s?

How many 14nm computers does one need to connect in order to make a big iron that can train neural networks in a timely manner?

>>8792 Depends on the size of the NN and the data set - how many parameters are you trying to train and how big is the training dataset? What does "timely" mean to you - an hour, a day, week, month, 6 months? 14nm computers can mean a lot of things, using general purpose CPUs versus GPU or TPU (basically GPUs optimized for machine learning workloads) will make a massive difference. There are plenty of examples/demo projects that will "train neural networks in a timely manner" (seconds or minutes) on whatever potato you used to make that post, but those NNs won't be that useful (e.g. classify pictures of dogs or cats with 90% accuracy).

>>8790 I don't remember the name of them (have a business card somewhere but can't find it at the moment), but they're basically little encryption devices that plug into the headphone jack on devices. The catch is both parties have to own one because it's encrypting the sound wave going out to the broadcasting tower so everything is encrypted the entire way through the process. They ran for like $50-$100 or at least that was their asking price back in 2016/2017ish and the sound quality was garbage/delayed by a couple seconds, but it was most definitely encrypted from glows. >>8791 Eh, we still get parts from Croatia from time to time at work so they've gotta be producing them somewhere. The Adriatic Sea has the perfect sand for doping facilities, the next best locations in the world being the Mekong Delta or the Sonoran desert. >>8792 I feel like this is one of those "how many apple branches do I need to graft to outpace the spread of an apple-killing fungus" questions. I'm sure there's a mathematical answer, but it's going about the problem wrong if I understand what you're saying correctly. It takes far too much processing power for even a supercomputer to actually run through all the processes it needs in real-time to handle a situation. As a news article once put it, it takes about 900,000 arithmetic operations to process a single hand-written digit on a piece of paper and several billion operations to recognize a 3-dimensional object. The size of the computer chip "matters" but when describing a 14nm chip we're describing the spacing between transistor nodes on the chip (on, off, and latching on/partial-on bits depending on architecture), E.G. the "speed" of the chip, not the capacity of the chip. "Smart" networks (such as neural networks) instead rely on building up massive databases of pre-obtained information and then looking for patterns in real-time. In theory you could do this with any old GPU and the better the GPU is the "faster" you can train the model and add more model data to your overall database/data tables to pull from. You can also accomplish the same goal by having a bunch of miniature microprocessors all processing tiny bits of information and sending it to a central server that matches collected data to appropriate databases. As the saying goes, "there are many ways to skin a cat" so I can't really give you a defined answer. Supercomputers used to work by brute-forcing through processing power, but these days most "supercomputers" are effectively just botnets that rely on a bunch of dumb really fast processors sending information to a central server that relays to a database to find patterns. Same thing that a crypto mining operation would use more or less. The downside to the server method is you are exchanging cost of stronger processing for cost of more electricity to power all the dumb devices.

>>8793 >>8794 I was just pretending to be retarded, so let me rephrase it: are there any real drawbacks for the military-industrial complex of a country if they cannot make chips smaller than 14nm? It seems like commercial products made with that level of tech are still plenty powerful for anything other than playing AAA shovelware games and training ”AI”. >whatever potato you used to make that post Don't bully X230-chan! She's cute and she's trying her best!

>>8795 >are there any real drawbacks for the military-industrial complex of a country if they cannot make chips smaller than 14nm? Yes, and no. If your military industrial complex is built around quality over quantity and you have the funding to afford it (America, Canada, Germany, Saudi Arabia, The UK, Israel, Armenia, Australia primarily), then there are real drawbacks to being unable to further improve the quality of the products you are using within your military. There is the drawback of brain drain with this process as you get two emerging "classes" of "the very few eggheads" and "the window lickers using egghead technology specialized in a single task" in your military. If your military consists of standardization to a certain level of quality that you can afford followed by quantity to make up for what you can't afford mixed military tactics (examples being Russia, France, the Emirates, Brazil, the Tatmadaw, Japan, Iran, Syria, etc.) then while there are some benefits to fast microprocessors, the price and availability drawbacks make it so that you can compromise with the understanding that you have to put a certain price tag on every soldier when going up against a quality-based military. In these cases you rely on economies of scale to offset the law of diminishing returns from faster processors and you focus more on experts/specialists instead of on honing technology to make mental expertise unnecessary. There is of course the third category of quantity as a quality of its own (employed by China. India, Vietnam, most of South America, Turkey, Yemen, Azerbaijan, etc.), but in those cases you're probably relying on guerilla tactics and counter-insurgency operations moreso than the quality of your equipment since lives are expendable so there is very little reason to improve your technological capabilities past a certain threshold to keep your military viable against foreign threats. tl;dr- The more you focus on quality over quantity, the more important faster microprocessors become to offset specialization of your military, but if you are willing to put a pricetag on your soldiers and/or have them in more generalist positions, than the law of diminishing returns mean that a 28nm microchip or potentially even a 90nm chip will get the job done just fine. Faster microprocessors only benefit defensive technologies past a certain point.

>>8795 >Don't bully X230-chan! No disrespect. t. Q6600 >>8796 >(America, Canada, Germany, Saudi Arabia, The UK, Israel, Armenia, Australia primarily) >Armenia Huh? >a 28nm microchip or potentially even a 90nm chip will get the job done just fine For what it's worth NASA mostly uses 150nm PowerPC chips in space, amazing how little it really takes to do real work when all the bloat is taken away. >>8795 >are there any real drawbacks for the military-industrial complex of a country if they cannot make chips smaller than 14nm? Not really. Quantum computing might become a game changer in the future for cryptography or data analytics but that's a speculative.

>>8797 >Huh? Armenia has managed to survive this long because they focus on quality of soldiers over quantity due to limited quantity of men. It's actually what fucked them in the Nagorno-Karabakh war because Azerbaijan which is a quantity-based military got drones from Turkey while Armenia did not have drones or drone-destroying tech. When you don't include drone kills the Armenians were killing about 20-30 Azeris for every Armenian lost, but drones balanced it down to about 3-7 Azeris per Armenian lost. The two have comparably sized professional military forces, but Azerbaijan has significantly larger conscript pools to pull from at any time while Armenia can only pull on conscripts in the event of a true existential threat like a full-on invasion.

And in reference to kikepedia numbers in case they get brought up, Azerbaijan completely lied about their casualties and because they are allied with Turkey nobody was actually allowed to go on the ground and investigate their losses. Footage and ground reports clearly show them taking significantly higher losses. The Armenian losses also factor in Artsakh conscripts who had much higher death rates and the Azeris intentionally fluffed their kill rates by counting murdered PoWs and genocided civilians as "combat casualties." In reality Armenia only lost about 500-600 professional soldiers while Azerbaijan lost closer to 7,000-8,000 professional soldiers but you can hide numbers using statistics and cooking the books.

>>8786 >since you can't trust other countries to not backdoor your shit. You can actually grind chips open and look with a microscope into it. Take some samples to check if they try to trick you. It might work with some fancy MRT-like devices as well, but I don't know.

>>8796 >then there are real drawbacks to being unable to further improve the quality of the products you are using within your military I disagree with this sentiment in regards to chip manufacturing capabilities. 28nm products are still 2010 tech, 14nm may be faster but I doubt it would lead to any tangible benefits other than less power/smaller die for a military. Especially considering how efficient these chips can be when you use basic instruction sets and cut out bloat from software. Plus, most modern process are really only used in high end compute and consumer products. Older nodes such as 28, 40 and even up to 90nm are still widely used, and TSMC is building new 28nm fabs and trying to get customers to move from older nodes to 28nm.

>>8799 Sorry but your figures are far beyond ridiculous, that is higher than 10:1 k:d ratio.

>>53015 >As of March of this year, China announced that they managed to create experimental tooling which is capable of producing 14nm chips, slated to go into some form of scale production sometime this year. Does it mean that in the future a country could buy some chinkonium tooling and happily produce 14nm RISC-V potechi? Of course, this is quite an oversimplification, because you need money and expertise, and raw materials, and so on, but it sounds like you don't need to be in the good graces of the US to buy stuff from that one Belgian company.

>>8803 >RISC-V The Chinese are already making RISC-V chips, but I don't expect the Chinese to sell the fab tools imho.

Assuming that a country can manufacture its own potachi, a good way of making a sustainable yet subsidized industry would be to give every student a computer made by that one domestic manufacturer. My idea would be a system-on-a-board in with an e-ink display in a tablet format, andit should be decent enough to play videos if an external monitor is connected. This way little kids could still use it for taking notes, but as they grow older they can switch to using it as a proper computer with a docking station. And even in a small country you (should) have tens of thousands of children entering school every year. And as it happens, the same SoB is what the military would use for nearly everything, even if in that context it's not a tablet.

>>8805 Seems a pretty rational plan. But you're not accounting for the globalist kikes in your scenario strelok. They certainly won't be pleased about you invading their turf with a cleaner, homegrown solution!

>>8805 >but as they grow older they can switch to using it as a proper computer with a docking station Nah, kids and adults alike will want nothing to do with it outside of government mandates or maybe the poorest of the poor. Foreign alternatives will be better/cheaper/sleeker because economies of scale, and inevitably "cooler". Another practical problem is brain drain, most of the homegrown talent in this field will emigrate at first opportunity, either because $$$, or to simply work on interesting/cutting edge problems (because let's be real these domestic programs will always be lagging behind and playing catchup rather than leading things forward). >>8806 >a cleaner, homegrown solution! >from a government-backed project Bless your innocence.

>>8807 >Bless your innocence. Kek. I freely admit I don't know every little thing across the entire universe, I'll strongly assert that even a banana republic is fundamentally more wholesome than (((Intel))), (((AMD))), or any other arm of the Globohomo. :^)

>>8807 >Nah, kids and adults alike will want nothing to do with it outside of government mandates or maybe the poorest of the poor. Foreign alternatives will be better/cheaper/sleeker because economies of scale, and inevitably "cooler". That doesn't matter if using these devices is mandatory during compulsory education, and then they get it for free*, and then they get to keep it, or they can give it back for recycling or reselling. With that many free* devices floating around, you'd inevitably have some hobbyists using them for various projects, and that could eventually lead to some cult following. *Free as in the taxpayers pay for it. >brain drain >lagging behind and playing catchup Neither of these is a problem if you set out realistic expectations and are honest about them. If people pay out of their pockets to learn the basics of anything related to this industry, then letting them go to learn even more is not a loss from a purely monetary perspective, and there is always a chance that one of them starts doing some industrial espionage out of pure patriotism. And the main goal of this whole program would be to make sure that the government doesn't have to rely on foreign tech companies to function, not developing bleeding edge experimental stuff in a l'art pour l'art fashion. Similarly, profitability is not the end goal, although selling stuff to niche markets could at least lessen the financial burden. On that note, other than education and military, I somehow completely forgot that the administration itself could use these computers. It's not like you need supercomputers to work with spreadsheets.

>>8805 >e-ink display in a tablet format >consumes little energy to run >keeps displaying the last image even when the device is turned off >does not need a backlight to work Isn't that perfect for the infantry?

>>8810 e-ink is so fucking cool. It needs to come back in a big way.

>>55992 > thought China (or it seems India) > Iran > Russia had a major deal recently to make a chunky straight railway going in that country order, Even if we disregard the geopolitics, such a railway would have to go through the Himalayas. An other route would be to go through the -stans, but then they'd have to play ball with all of them to make sure that the route works. Overall it is simpler to ship stuff between Iran and Shina through the sea, or send it through Russia. >I am now also realizing Russia's precarious position towards Azerbaturks despite being buddies with Armenia They can just ship stuff through the Caspian Sea. There is a break-of-gauge between Russia (including everything that was the Russian Empire) and Iran, so having to put everything on a boat first is not that great of a loss, because they'd have to put everything on different wagons anyway, and this way the boats can go through the Russian riverine routes, so that they can get quite close to their destination. Shina in theory is trying to build a route through the -stans as part of their belt and road program, but it doesn't seem to going anywhere anytime soon.

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Are tanks worth the logistical footprint?

>>8814 Yes. IFVs aren't though.

>>8814 Fair question in CY+8. In Ukraine both sides repurposed them as self propelled artillery for the most part. How many confirmed tank-vs-tank kills so far? In Palestine tanks are slow juicy targets, there's nothing for tanks to oppose that an IFV couldn't. Everyone else can't afford tanks

>Javelin Missile guidance computer - Part 1: teardown https://anontube.lvkaszus.pl/watch?v=11_5TB0-lNw >Javelin Missile guidance computer - Part 2: answers (in French with subtitles) https://anontube.lvkaszus.pl/watch?v=5JRbsv3TXt8 I think I can see why so many people claim that they could make an ATGM for the fraction of the price with off-the-shelf parts. Of course, it would be nice if one of then actually did it and stepped forward, but that is obviously not realistic.

Tanks are much less decisive than they were in WW2 or in the Cold War, mostly due to the ubiquity of Anti-tank weapons right now. Tanks will require another defensive innovation such as better ERA, armor tech, APS to counter Anti-tank weapons to be the decisive breakthrough tools they are. There is also a much more fundamental problem with tanks right now as well. As of right now, modern MBTs are suited to fight other tanks, not against entrenched and hidden infantry teams with ATGMs, Guided Artillery Shells, or FPV drones which are the main primary killers of Tanks right now. With all that said however, they still do their job surprisingly well since both Ukraine and Russia still wants more of them and combined arms tactics are still as valuable as they were in 1940. So, the answer is yes. >>8816 >In Ukraine both sides repurposed them as self propelled artillery for the most part. How many confirmed tank-vs-tank kills so far? More like they take a backseat to the forward infantry assaults, confirmed Tank-vs-Tank engagements are around dozens at most since 'confirming' it in the field is still hard even with all the drone footage. I'm surprised tanks don't seem to make use of personal drones to see what or where they're aiming at, seeing that it'll really help alleviate their weak situational awareness. Maybe because the commander is as pre-occupied as is that they're rather have a drone-equipped infantry be their spotter? >In Palestine tanks are slow juicy targets, there's nothing for tanks to oppose that an IFV couldn't. Tanks have the staying power than the IFV does not, and they can take more hits for the crew to escape than an IFV could. This is seen as a fair trade-off for the IDF seeing that they're so casualty-phobic and would rather waste dozens of tanks than having a squad getting wiped by a single RPG hit.

>>8818 meant for >>8814

>>8818 I think in this context anon means if a country with an economy like [insert country of choice] fighting [other country of choice] should bother with tanks if it plans to dig in for a war of attrition. All the resources spent on a tank fleet could be used to make your defences tougher and meatier, and you might just about be able to take the treeline on the other end of a field without any tanks once the enemy is sufficiently exhausted. I am not saying that this a surefire plan, but I can see why someone would came to this conclusion if we are envisioning a war between two relatively small countries that are on relatively equal footing.

>>8818 >I'm surprised tanks don't seem to make use of personal drones to see what or where they're aiming at, seeing that it'll really help alleviate their weak situational awareness. Maybe because the commander is as pre-occupied as is that they're rather have a drone-equipped infantry be their spotter? More or less. On the logistical side, a single vehicle would have a fairly small number of very vulnerable drones attached, so what to do when they are gone, steal/beg/borrow or do without? The sensible thing is to have a large pool for entire unit that moves together. But once you have it, what’s the point of cutting it into small parcels at any stage? On the functionality side, this: >>38807 Splitting it at a very low level would inevitably lead to various inefficiencies. From training to attention. It’s better to have slightly redundant set of specialists handling such a specialized task as their main job, than a massively redundant set of “amateurs” who have other things to do. There‘s no reason to have in each tank any of the functionality involved beyond request and end result. If the communications work well enough that drones are useful for real-time reconnaissance, they work more than well enough for remote specialists to take requests for what everyone needs to see and make sure they do.