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Walking Simulators Anonymous 11/24/2025 (Mon) 16:50:35 Id: 151435 No. 1961389 [Reply]
What walking simulators have you’ve seen recently?
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I just started playing Radiolight and it’s surprisingly really good. It seems like it’s based off of Firewatch on first glance but there’s no central base or anything like that, and it leans heavily into horror tropes pretty early. Also it’s the type of walking sim like Gone Home that has lots of little clues scattered around that rewards you for being vigilant / having a triple-digit IQ. Also, unlike Firewatch there are other characters in the game world. On the down side, the visuals are also at the level of Firewatch, so the woodland environment seems more cartoonish and barren so it can’t quite get that horror feel they were going for. The game relies a lot on audio / music cues to build tension.
>>1961389 May I ask why this got anchored? Is walking sim a no-no term?
>>1965190 I don’t know. I guess? But whatever, I figure that this board moves so slowly anyway that anyone who’s interested can find it and it’ll be up for a long time.

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Video Games from your childhood you can't find Anonymous 05/07/2025 (Wed) 10:37:56 Id: 28a1d9 No. 1327277 [Reply] [Last]
Last thread I talked about a game I played as a kid I couldn't find, it was Magic Dream (Волшебный сон), a Russian kids game on CD from 1997 by Nikita Online. How my father got his hands on this I have no idea, as I live super far from Russia. https://1c.ru/vendors/nikita/MAGDREAM/MAGDREAM.HTM I recently went around searching a game from my teens I played when I first got an Ipod Touch and was somehow able to find it despite modern search engines being mostly shit. It's was 2009-2010 game called Destroy 9, by a sole gook Jongha Back, via his company NaomicSoft. I can't even find gameplay footage of it anymore https://apps.apple.com/fj/app/war-game-destroy-9/id550881679 It was a complete clusterfuck of a strategy action game where you produced and controlled units in real time in a 2D view with tons of SFX on screen. The localization was so bad I don't even remember what the objective was. There were like 6 versions of the same game as well with slight differences. Just complete insanity to the point I thought it was a fever dream The gook is still making games and his blogspot is still open, https://naomicsoft.blogspot.com/2010/04/destroy9_18.html Ask anons about games you don't remember or the ones you did end up finding here.
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>>1961227 >shooting down bibles Are those bibles in german or something?
>>1961295 It was the '80s when making a goofy porn game was a way of revolting against the loony christian fundamentalists.
I did just re-remember Lucky & Wild recently after playing Road of the Dead 2 again and having vague memories of playing a similar arcade game at a supermarket. Never finding any cabinets, though. Same for Maze of the Kings; only place I found that was at the Excaliber casino in 2003. Mid-2000s Newgrounds had a scif-fi Tower Defense game where its gimmick was this simplistic chatbot. It had a limited set of responses based on your input, but you got the game's story through it. It seemed to have disappeared in the early-2010s and it couldn't possibly be due to copyright like >>1348678 mentions.

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Racing games thread Anonymous 04/17/2025 (Thu) 01:30:48 Id: a6c605 No. 1105859 [Reply] [Last]
What racing games have you guys been playing recently?
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Been playing Nail'd recently. It's pretty alright, amazing verticality like Excitetruck, but needed a better boost system. Soundtrack is great though~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNQZ9VNZeXI
Wreckfest 1, just really fun. The online can be good too. >>1877914 nice vid
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>>1955872 >big air atv game >no stunts What an absolute tragedy. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=YW53M0UmDvM Now this is a great atv game. Great soundtrack, great racing, and good stunts and unlike most racing games, it actually rewards you with boost by successfully doing them. Best racing game I've ever played in fact with NFS Underground being second, and hydro thunder being a distant third. Yet all people ever want to talk about are boring ass racing simulator games in the early 2000s as far as atv games are concerned and I 100% blame the critics for that and that is a time when critics mattered a lot despite them all being paid off to make games look good/bad

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Games suffering from NSTFU syndrome (Never-Shutting-The-Fuck-Up) Anonymous 08/27/2025 (Wed) 14:00:06 Id: 0ba501 No. 1697108 [Reply] [Last]
This doesn't mean games that have a lot of dialogue or large dialogue trees, like New Vegas or Disco Elysium. We're talking games with the characters will not stop talking. Constant banter, verbose conversations, quippy dialogue, characters explaining and repeating what to do next; commenting on everything they see/think, puzzles being explained before you even grasp them, and so on. Suffering from NSTFU syndrome doesn't mean a game is necessarily even bad, but the writing is often be the worst part of them.
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>>1959706 It's the whole point of that game may as well complain that your pokemon game has to many pokemons in it
>>1698119 I like fuckin' niggers as much as the next guy, but surely there are other Nubian queens you could go for.
>>1698119 This may be the single worst take I've ever seen on this website.

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3D Printing Anonymous 02/16/2023 (Thu) 06:18:41 Id: 0ef303 No. 784384 [Reply] [Last]
A thread for anything related to 3D printing and video games: figurines, controller stands, battery covers that keep getting lost, cool cases, mods and enhancements, etcetera. What cool enhancements, whether practical or just aesthetic, should I print for my old consoles? Say, for example, my Sega Genesis model 2?
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I want to buy a 3d printer someday, it looks incredibly useful for pretty much all aspects of life
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Sister knows best sometimes.
>>1960049 Wouldn't a 3D-printed gun be pretty flimsy unless you use one of those printers that use metal for printing

Minecraft General - The Ride Never Ends Anonymous 10/09/2025 (Thu) 22:59:32 Id: f677a5 No. 1832885 [Reply] [Last]
In celebration of the second movie getting announced, and also the previous thread (>>1059987) being anchored and almost dead. What are you building? What mods are you running? What's your preferred resource pack? Will Mojang ever actually add something of worth to this godforsaken brick builder? Will this nightmare ever end? Also, reposting the OP from last time since it's a lot of useful information: >Frequently Asked Stupid Questions Q: I stopped playing months ago, what's new in Minecraft? A: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Version_history Q: What launcher should I use? A: PolyMC is the current flavor of multiMC fork. Q: How do I install mods? A: Download the Fabric or Forge modloaders, install for the version you want, and launch the game to generate the necessary files. then go through Curse's awful shitty search system until you find a mod you want, download it, and put it in your new mods folder in the minecraft directory. Check the mod's curse page for more specific installation requirements and dependencies. >Official stuff: * Website - http://minecraft.net

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>>1959445 Bugrock has been suffering from multiple severe bugs that make the game pretty much unplayable recently, better wait for an update
>>1959460 Well at least the 4J version works relativly better. Biggest bug (aside from the rare X-ray) is villager trades not refreshing
>>1959635 the console editions were great and run really well too, shame mojang cut the support for them

/v/idya Summer/Beach Art thread Anonymous 07/05/2024 (Fri) 20:31:53 Id: 708e56 No. 986760 [Reply] [Last]
Post /v/idya characters in beach attire and the like. We used to have artdump threads like these on an annual basis but this place caught the gay so let's change that. If you want to request season-appropriate art the drawthread is next door >>986513 yes OP pieces are from a preexisting thread
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>>986760 >>1639230 >>1639306 >>1643799 >>1643805 Damn, son. Looked around X & saw that new Shantae game-in-development announcement on October 29 https://nitter.net/WayForward/status/1983577975292354573 showed a still image of Shantae & Risky with their hair tied in twintails.
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>>1954829 There are retards who don't believe this because we've been told for 11+ years that this isn't true.

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日本語学習スレッド (Japanese Learning Thread) Anonymous 03/18/2025 (Tue) 20:30:44 Id: 939691 No. 1080622 [Reply] [Last]
In collaboration with >>>/lang/ Step 0. Resource Acquisition Go here to get Anki, a flash card program: http://ankisrs.net/ Here are some suggested decks: Core2k/6k: https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU KanjiDamage: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/748570187 Kana: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1632090287 Tae Kim's grammar: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/242060646 Other Resources RealKana: http://realkana.com/ (alternate version) https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html Click the column of characters you want to study and type the corresponding romaji into the box as they appear Kana Invaders: https://learnjapanesepod.com/kana-invaders/

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what do you do to get N1 grammar down. do you just read the n1 sou matome and the 文型辞典/DoJG and rawdog it or...?
>>1920772 I am somewhere between N3 and N2, so I don't know much about N1, but I can give you advice as an ESL with a Cambridge C2 Certificate, meaning I am about as good as you can get for a non-native. Going at least once or twice through a grammar book, to at least be familiar with the concepts will definitely help. Now it also depends on what your goal is, if it's simply watching anime, reading manga, and playing games, then you can just look up terms/grammar points whenever there is something you don't quite get, I mean it's what I do right now, so it will work. If your goal is to pass the N1, then I guess you should grind the books, until you can pass those mock tests. One small caveat about me and the english grammar. A lot of English I learned though immersion, as for whatever reason, the cartoons that were on TV were just in English, so I was doing immersion ever since I was born, plus videogames and much later Youtube, movies always had subtitles so they weren't good for immersion. At school I was very good at vocabulary, listening, essays, but shit at grammar. I was doing things "intuitively", but I was bad at it. Basic stuff like, "after did use verb in present tense, instead of past tense" was something the teachers had to spend years trying to correct me on, because I felt like it had to be the past form, it was what felt "right" to me. My father who thought I was good in English, because I could speak some words after years of watching TV, was horrified when I said stuff like "He go" or "She go", instead of "He goes" and "She goes", so he sent me to private lessons as well. What I am trying to say is that, it's possible to make wrong grammar connections, when just doing immersion. I basically grinded ground apparently "to grind" is an irregular verb, and I was unaware of it Grammarway 4 for years, before taking the Cambridge English Proficiency test.

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Enemies that unnerve you Anonymous 04/21/2025 (Mon) 01:17:50 Id: 0f85f1 No. 1185002 [Reply] [Last]
After all these years the turning around zombie from the original Resident Evil still creeps me out the most.
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le generic response xd
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>>1195156 This was made worse with the music and shuddery breathing audible from them as they get closer >>1185002 For me it was the moose head, the crocodile head, and the entire stuffed bears that came to life in Gex 3s Mystery Channel level. The bears even leave their pedestals to chase and attack you while growling loudly. As a child this spooked me pretty badly. I only found out later that they're a reference to Evil Dead, and was incredibly unnerved by the deer head in that movie as well.
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As a child, those small spiders in Harry Potter 2 on PC. I don't think they actually harmed you, but if you stayed still, they would crawl on your back, and that scared me shitless. The big ones, weren't a problem ,since you had spells to deal with, and I treated them as regular enemies, but the small ones you had to walk on them to crush them. As an adult, everything regarding Silent Hill 1. Maybe it's the psx aesthetic, that was too much for me, as after I did the school and got to the hospital I had to drop the game, it was way too intense for me. I should also note that I don't usually watch horror movies, not did I play all that many horror games, so maybe I am just not used to it, but fuck man, those kids and doctors were too much for me.

Favorite Vidya OSTs Anonymous 10/25/2025 (Sat) 17:29:35 Id: 6cf782 No. 1880663 [Reply]
Talk about your favorite bideo jame soundtracks and why, and maybe even post some tracks from it. One of my personal recent favorites is the soundtrack to Kurohyou (great game btw, check out the sequel too). It's a Yakuza spin off game that focuses on deliquents and underground ring fighting. It has a bit of a gritter tone than the mainline games and the soundtrack is pretty gritty to match. The highlights of both games soundtracks are the songs composed by Hideki Naganuma (JSR, Sonic Rush). He did make some pretty funky tracks for the game, but he also made some harder sounding tracks as well, my favorite being THE NAKED PANTHER. Here's some other OSTs I enjoy. >Ys: Books I & II (Chronicles Edition) Most of the town themes are meh in my opinion, but the overworld and dungeon themes in the game are great. Every track that plays in Darm Tower (Tower of the Shadow of Death, Dreaming, Tension) are all spectacular. The version of Feena's theme that plays at the end of Book II deserves a mention too, it's beautiful. >DBZ: BT3 BT2 has a more diverse soundtrack, but I just love the mix of rock and horns in 3. Evolution is my favorite track. >999 I can't think of a single bad track in the entire soundtrack. It fits the gritty and psychological tone of the game perfectly and the tracks here are pretty varied. Ternary Game and Morphogenetic Sorrow are my favorite songs. >Pokémon Emerald Trumpets.
>>1880663 The Berserk game on the Dreamcast has a damn good soundtrack for how shit the game is to play It feels like the soundtrack of the alt universe 1997 anime adaptation where it adapted The Black Swordsman arc to early Conviction, and I'm pretty sure most of it is by Susumu Hirasawa as well. It fits perfectly
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I’ve been thinking back on what got me into certain kinds of music, and almost everything, if not everything, traces back to video game soundtracks. Castlevania is a huge reason I fell in love with classical music, especially stuff that features harpsichords or piano. Curse of Darkness and Lament of Innocence might not be fan favorites, but I love both of those games. Curse of Darkness https://mega.nz/file/B7NAXZhB#KSyOdN4HWjlKu86O3jNG0Rtyz1M4wQoSOJMUMgjSFPY Lament of innoncence Part 1: https://mega.nz/file/p21ymRhL#pZn_a_ezkEvnb6hNimbguEAN5KAmaDgRYlGmj7MUerg Part 2: https://mega.nz/file/Ji9TyYhT#Qaq7wgxth2UFMc1vZeKk7y_z0IzZfZAuQIjT73sGe2M

Can a video game be 'bad' objectively? Anonymous 11/13/2025 (Thu) 01:48:02 Id: f89ed6 No. 1929235 [Reply] [Last]
I got into a discussion the other day with someone defending Halo: Combat Evolved and TES: Skyrim as great games. This wasn't a normalfag from what I could tell, it was someone who would otherwise be considered a rather competent gamer. That's why I was surprised such a conclusion was made. I recall a time not too long ago when these two games were considered bad. Not bad in the same way as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde NES, Big Rigs Over the Road Racing, or Mystery of the Druids, but bad in the sense that these two games are degenerative from what came before. Will explain what I mean here. Starting with Skyrim. Take for example what came before it. Oblivion, and then Morrowind before that. For anyone who played Morrowind, you can tell that Oblivion itself was a step down from it. Skyrim being a further disconnect from even Oblivion exacerbates the departure that the Elder Scrolls series took. The only metric that one can say the series has improved on is graphical fidelity. Gameplay suffered, without a doubt. Soundtrack stayed the same quality, as Jeremy Soule is always amazing >Less spells >Skills dumbed down or removed >Conversations dumbed down and made into quick one-sentence summaries >Quests dumbed down to the extreme >Copy + Pasted dungeons and fetch quests With this said, you'll still get people who say <But I had fun with it! Skyrim is my favorite RPG! People who have played Oblivion and even Morrowind might say this. Not just normalfags who have never played any of the older entries. They will argue that streamlined mechanics make a game more accessible and thus more 'complete'. Well, besides the bugs that are inherent to any Gamebryo game, you can say that Skyrim is worse than Oblivion and Morrowind, but can you really say it's a bad game? Let's look at Halo: CE next. This was released on Xbox first in 2001. It's an FPS game, first game in what will be later known as the Halo Series. I cannot compare it to previous 'Halo' games as such so I'll instead compare it to other FPS games that came before it. Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half Life, Counter Strike, among others. What did Halo fail to do that its predecessors did?

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>>1951779 How exactly were they depicted in the lore, then?
>>1957925 Originally Cyrodiil had a far more tropical climate with most of the region being dense jungles full of beast-men, cults, tigers and endless dangers. The Imperial City was originally envisioned to be far larger than its final incarnation, a massive holdout of civilized power in the center of pure wilderness with each district practically being its own smaller city surround White-Gold Tower and full of numerous cults and subcultures. The entire region and its people were far more exotic and unique compared to generic medieval knights in armor, and ranged from more Hellenic-looking soldiers conquering and taming the wild lands to sometimes nearly shamanistic battlemages, many of the people in between incorporating materials like chitin and newt hide into their armor to reflect their adaptation to the region over centuries of conquest. It all has far more in common with Morrowind than other RPGs of the time, but we ended up getting one of the most generic looking bloom-filled fantasy worlds ever because that's what sold games in 2006. Mind you I love Oblivion and grew up with it but knowing what it could have been hurts.
>>1957925 >How exactly were they depicted in the lore, then? Pic rel. The context behind it is that when The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard released in '98 one of the extras was a little booklet presented as an in-universe travel guide with sections covering almost every part of Tamriel. With Morrowind they sort of side-stepped the issue of having to include everything by setting it in an established sub-section with little discrete lore but even what was there they got right - about Vvardenfell, the PGE 1E basically says "it's a big island in the middle of a flooded crater with a huge volcano in it" and as a sub-region you can feasibly fudge or ignore a lot of what's there in the lore. The Morrowind section doesn't mention anything about the Telvaani being murder-happy ancap wizards but it does mention that they're clannish xenophobes even by Dunmer standards. In that case you can say "well, maybe only the Vvardenfell Telvaani are crazy about magic" or "maybe the writer didn't interact with them enough to get an accurate idea of them" or something. There's some plausible deniability there for the lore in the book not matching up precisely 1:1 with the lore in the game. Those arguments cease to hold water when the inaccuracies and mis-matches go beyond any possibility reconciliation with established lore, which is what they did in Cyrodil and why their explanation is basically "a wizard did it".

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/tf2g/ - (𒅄) Team Fortress 2 General Anonymous 04/16/2025 (Wed) 03:42:36 Id: 55263d No. 1093504 [Reply] [Last]
4CHAN IS KILL EDITION >News New Community Workshop Project: https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=241042 TF2 SDK Released: https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=238809 >Official Sites Blog: https://teamfortress.com Wiki: https://wiki.tf >Frag With /tf2g/ When: Friday & Saturday Afternoon. Check for posts in the thread or be the one to announce. tf2g's Official Server: 78.46.128.115:27015 (EU) Ready Up: https://tf2gfragready.b4k.dev/ >Other 4chan Servers Weeabootique: 198.245.61.57 (NA) Castaway: Castaway.tf (NA/EU/AUS/Asia)

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>>1901662 >And by that, TF2's audience isn't meant for that young to begin with. TF2's audience is exclusively autistic children.
>>1948847 autistic manchildren anon

DEEP INDUSTRY CORRUPTION FOUND Anonymous 11/10/2025 (Mon) 19:09:44 Id: d7b2a7 No. 1922771 [Reply]
I've stumbled upon such a disgusting level of fraud that I can't legally publicly implicate anyone, so bear with me... >A certain neoteny-themed consulting firm based in a foreign country is using blackmail and self-dealing to gain money and power from the gaming industry. >They have a paranormal-themed shelf company, which they use for embezzling non-profit investments and for illegal self-dealing practices (investment fraud). >They are relatively large, with dealings across most of the current AAA studios. >The main company's CEO has openly admitted in past interviews to using blackmail as an investment tactic, through paper-thin doublespeak (like rewording "blackmail" as "scaring companies"). Do what you will with this information.
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>>1922771 like SBI threatening the marketing team or companies paying journos to do hit pieces ? Other than I'm drawing blank.
What I find doubtful about SBI blackmailing Remedy is that Remedy themselves are turbopozzed and corrupt. >Yeah, we're gonna blackmail you to do the thing that you were already going to do.
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>>1922771 >Do what you will with this information. What information? No evidence is presented. For everyone bringing it up, SBI openly encouraged intimidation / extortion (on video) yet SBI still exists. So the bar of what is required to expunge these conniving parasites is high making non-substantive threads like this, if anything, a mockery of everyone who already knows by providing nothing that could be used to stop it.

Deus Ex remaster Anonymous 09/24/2025 (Wed) 21:57:01 Id: 5375e7 No. 1786063 [Reply] [Last]
It looks absolutely fucking horrible! Yay~ Also general Deux Ex thread? I've been meaning to make one anyway
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>>1947964 Cause I've eaten enough vidya shit before to recognise it when I see it.
>>1947964 >I have no money and yet I must shill Hang yourself. If you can't see how the remaster looks worse than the original just from the publicly released footage, you are beyond help. Stop insisting everyone needs to take it up the ass first before they can judge whether or not it's awful even though the obvious signs are already there. Ass-kissing fags like you deserve to get shot because it'd be doing the human race a favor, but how about you do us all a favor and neck yourself already?
>>1947964 Imagine a recipe with different ingredients. You then think 'this could use even more salt' so you add salt to it. Before you realize it, the recipe has been thrown out of balance because you added too much salt and it conflicted with the other ingredients. This is how I see all these remasters and remakes. Yes, people demand them so that's why they exist, but it has been overdone in general, and games like Deus Ex never needed them to begin with. I still do respect the work that goes into them though.

FRIDAY NIGHT MUTHAFUCKA! Anonymous 07/04/2025 (Fri) 21:10:14 Id: cdb649 No. 1532986 [Reply] [Last]
WHATCHA' >PLAYAN >WATCHAN >LISTENAN >READAN >EATAN >DRINKAN >FAPPAN >FEELAN
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>>1883644 >PLAYAN Fallout 4. >WATCHAN Dragon Ball Z Kai >LISTENAN Magdalena Bay >READAN Taking a break from literature. >EATAN Nothing. >DRINKAN Coke. >FAPPAN Not tonight dear, I have a headache. >FEELAN Pic related.
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It's saturday but fuck it >PLAYAN KCD2. Enjoying it a lot so far - about to head to the wedding that I assume signifies the end of act 1. >WATCHAN Nothan >LISTENAN The Strokes >READAN Not tonight >EATAN >DRINKAN Just did a big costco run - gonna make some brussel sprouts and maybe chicken for dinner Also got a peppermint cold brew. Rarely get any coffee with sweeteners in it but felt like treating myself today >FEELAN Good - been pretty consistent in running 2-3x a week (only a mile each time but may try increasing that). Hoping to drop 10 or so pounds in the next couple months - may buy a used treadmill sometime as well. >>1954879

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>PLAYAN The Binding of Isaac and I Wani Hug That Gator, mostly. Warframe's got an update down the pipes so I'm..not looking forward to grinding it. >WATCHAN Usual weekly animes. >LISTENAN A video essay(?) about the plastic-gen beyblade anime. (refreshing, since Metal Fight gets so much more attention) >READAN Shamefully self-indulgent fiction on AO3 >EATAN Chicken sandwich with sharp cheddar. >DRINKAN Coffee. Gonna make some hibiscus tea once I convince my legs it's worth getting up. >FAPPAN Lolis, mostly aloe from pokemon, for some reason. >FEELAN For the first time in two weeks I've managed to sleep a full night without waking up and hacking up something gross. Feels like I'm finally back up the upswing and just in time for the weather to become absolutely terrible so I can't go outside. Been working on another "Body horror eroticism" type character that's making me realize I do NOT know enough about music to write a character who DJs at raves. I only know about makina by accident.

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Video game tropes that you dislike and why. Anonymous 07/20/2025 (Sun) 20:47:50 Id: 3ddd73 No. 1586479 [Reply] [Last]
I hate this trope where any creatures are a byproduct, feeds and is affected by the human mind. It worked on gods for numerous reasons, but there's no reason to add that to cryptic's akin to a mothman, a kappa or a fucking goblin, being created by humanity's (un)conciousness or some dumb shit. Because by that, you can basically turn them into anything you want as long as you have a fine sized community who shares the same thoughts as you i.e porno, there's no real characteristics or anything interesting about it outside of some psudo-psychologist nerds on Reddit tells you so. Since they're preset anyway. It's worse if said creatures have personalities and their own society, culture, even religion and mythology. Imagine being infested in their world for a really long time, that in the end it's all fake, and I don't mean if it's real or not. It's as bad as "It's all a dream, bro". A huge cop out because hack writers have no idea what they should do with their settings anymore. So instead they choose the safest option. And it's not just any of these stuff I said above. If you make a "big plot twist" on a already established settings then it automatically turns into dogshit. For example: Final Fantasy IV: The After Years.
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>>1953796 >his name literally means Dark Father, and I think that's a pretty glaring piece of evidence. The retcon is Darth being a title among the Sith since it's pretty obvious in A New Hope "Darth Vader" is treated as a proper name (Or at least Obi Wan does.)
>>1953987 >But I love it and I consider it part of the series That's the first time I ever encountered that statement.
>>1955125 Obi Wan's intent with that line could be interpreted different ways. You could imagine he was using it as a title. Hell, it almost comes across sarcastically. But yes, I do not think that was at all the intent that Guinness had when he delivered the line. Still, that's a pretty minor retcon and I don't think it's one of the ones people get really mad about. When people say Star Wars got too convoluted, I don't think they mean they're mad about there being other guys who are sort of like Darth Vader so that they can tell a story about how he became Darth Vader. >>1955337 The Holiday Special is hilarious. Yeah, if it was still 1978 and I was a kid waiting a year and a half for the sequel to Star Wars, and this is what I got, I'd be pretty mad. But now we have six movies. There is a big time skip between IV and V, and The Holiday Special fits well in there. It shows you what life is like for regular people in The Empire, even if those regular people are unsubtitled wookies who communicate exclusively in roars. And like I said, you get to see the introduction of Boba Fett, which helps me give a damn about him later. And you get to see Chewbacca's father watching VR porn. Can't beat that. I said we have six movies, but I also count the two Ewok movies, and the 2D Clone Wars series is basically a movie if you marathon it. Part of me wants to get into the 3D Clone Wars series more since Lucas did seem to count it as a sort of canon, but I just can't bring myself to not hate Ashoka.

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