idc about dox being banned but the amount of times I was banned for posting flesh images that were either from stream, or from a twitter post on 4chan was unbearable

>>65830 can you point out some "good faith PL discussion" ?

>>66131 At least 8moe actually bans threadshitters and not you for reporting threadshitters which was common on /vt/.

Quick update. After a long discussion, the vols have set up guidelines. I'll post the full breakdown here, but a summary is posted on the Rules page. Rule 1: Dox is forbidden. a. Hard dox is forbidden per the the global rules. b. Images of vtubers' real-life bodies and especially faces may only be posted behind spoilers, and only if posted on their vtuber-related accounts or streams. c. Discussion of vtubers' previous incarnations, ("PL"), is generally permitted, on a case-by-case basis. d. Emissions of private information are forbidden and will result in a ban. e. Outside of these circumstances, pictures and information not related to vtubers' public persona is generally discouraged and in many cases forbidden. This should cover most circumstances while still allowing real life information released by streamers to be discussed and posted. The volunteers understand there is some complexity with determining what is officially posted and what isn't and are committed to putting the effort in. If mistakes happen, they can be appealed and the content restored. In many cases the mods will be fans of the thread themselves and will know what crosses a line. >>65954 IDs are handled server-side and are based on your IP and/or bypass. (You)s are entirely handled with JavaScript on the user's side, so if you clear cookies you lose track of your posts. 4chan used to do (You)s server-side but this means generating a custom page per-user which is incredibly expensive.

>>66169 Discussing past vtuber identities is fine on a case by case basis, just don't treat it as a weapon or "gotcha" to attack a particular fanbase or thread. People doing so can be reported as usual.

>>66197 I think this is good.

>>66197 Sounds solid too me.

>>66197 Very reasonable.

>>66197 Looks solid but might be hard to enforce unless mods just know a lot about every vtuber

>>66197 >>66268 these are perfect, it feels good to have a mod team that actually knows what they're doing

>>66197 Can screenshots from handcams be posted unspoilered? Is it exclusively bodies (ie torsos, upper legs, chest, face, etc) that must be spoilered or is all body parts including appendages like hands wrists and arms? Many vtubers regularly stream handcams, be it gloved or ungloved.

I got a warning but I don't know what for or how to view it (checked the mod logs)

In what circumstances would it be justified banning discussions of PL?

Do we need to spoiler screenshots of handcam streams?

>>66351 Obnoxious spam and malicious behavior, threads can decide for themselves how much their vtubers' PLs are discussed. >>66355 No.

>>66376 Thanks, that seems reasonable enough.

>>66268 does this mean we can talk about senazawa after the 1st of may?

Asking again that staff take the idea of cycling IDs every few hours into consideration for the benefit of smaller, slower threads.

seems like IRL threads are banned now? pretty sure there was one up earlier

>>66345 it can be ignored, it was probably a mistake and probably mine if so, sorry for being a faggot we suffer from the "fills in ur forms for u LUL" nonsense, too you're not in danger of getting randomly vacationed for days here and even if you were, you could appeal it

>>66414 yes, they are

>>66449 ok thx, it was just a popup that said "you were warned". big fan of the way things are done here

enable id's only for certain threads

>>66400 senzawa's been fine forever if people have been openly talking about them for ages (and not just to threadshit), assume it's still fine if it would upset a bunch of people, it's probably not

>>66197 actually yeah what >>66324 asked handcam streams are very common and weren't even punished under /vt/'s stricter rules

>>66496 8moe's not built for the level of traffic it's experiencing now. Esoteric requests like this will have to wait. IDs will stay as is for now. We can always change or get rid of them later if that's the better decision.

>>66324 >>66543 >>66376 (66255) generally, yes (as in can be posted without spoilers) new meta thread btw if a particular general wanted it enforced fully, we can, but most people think it's fine it's hard to write every single exception in the rules and you're not getting banned for fucking it up

>>66575 any plans to change the bump limit / post limit? 250 would be nice

>>66575 Please, never get rid of IDs, they are a blessing to this general the way they are right now.

>>66803 this, as it is now IDs are a fucking blessing, only shitposters and catalog shitstirrers want them gone or changed

>>66575 definitely do not get rid of IDs at all, the only people against them are malicious actors

>>66803 >>66843 >>66855 I'm not asking the staff to make anymore changes right now because they're obviously doing a lot trying to adjust to the influx of new people, but the moderation alone is doing more than enough to get rid of any schizos. IDs + competent moderation make things too boring, there's plenty of people don't want to make outlandish/interesting posts because it's connected to their usual chuuba posting. The threads feel like Discord group chats now, and that's gonna drive a lot of people back to 4chan if it comes back up

>>66915 >too boring if you're a schizo yeah

>>66957 I think you'll come to find that a majority of the board are "schizos" then

>>66915 part of this I think is anons would rather mope and whine about the IDs or be lazy instead of taking the hit to the autism of adapting as long as they think 4chan will be back up there are many not very difficult ways to circumvent them and be less boring and it feels like a few more have been doing that recently you could try showing them the light of maximum shitposting

>>67030 It is possible that the more sheepish posters could become accustomed to them >you could try showing them the light of maximum shitposting I've considered it, and done a little bit here >>45367 (39737), but to go maximum shitposting would backfire if I don't wait for the right moment

>>67076 many sheepish posters have, especially the sheep posters which are some of the most sensitive it was slow at first, but they're mostly functional again I did have that post bookmarked

make complaining about IDs a bannable offense

>>67132 Eh, I don't think so. Maybe if it reaches the point of spam, otherwise it's just pissing in the ocean of piss.

>>67123 actually I've been wondering, since it was you in that screenshot earlier, what is your policy on rebelearthsky/RES? are we finally free of him?

>>67132 sir, this is the meta thread if it's outside the meta thread >technically, it's meta >and technically, it belongs in the meta thread >but technically, moderation is by request so either filter it or convince your thread that they've all had enough of it and id complaints should be reported so the posters can be directed here

>>65182 >they change per thread anyways ...which for some threads is an entire week or more with the same identity attached to every post you make across potentially 100+ posts. We're just trying to say that some kind of compromise for these types of threads makes the whole thing a lot less unbearable, and your ID resetting a few times a day while using the same IP would be a good compromise. The usefulness of an ID to "filter out schizos" or whatever really doesn't extend that far into their lifespan at all and having IDs that exist for that long disproportionately affects the anonymity of certain threads more over others.

>>67501 >We

>>67703 Yes, "we" as in the people who are posting in favor of the compromise.

>>67721 anon, you're a batposter, besides you're opinion going into the trash, your "argument" that IDs lose usefulness over time is naive considering the worst schizos on /vt/ keep going on even if they have to plap their routers every second if needed, and sadly they're not edge cases, though I won't also say they are the norm If you're scared of being identified by your thread, why not ask if it's possible for your thread to autolock itself at certain periods of time?

>>67937 >your "argument" that IDs lose usefulness over time is naive considering the worst schizos on /vt/ keep going on even if they have to plap their routers every second if needed You literally just agreed with me that IDs have no real usefulness to track schizos over long periods of time because the malicious users would have already done something to hop...

>>67030 >>67123 Codexx said it was more or less uncontroversial and no one was complaining about them. Isn't this sort of contradicting that...? And staff wants us to circumvent them? IDGI

>>67983 >though I won't also say they are the norm The norm is the myriad of schizos who start small but escalate when they notice there's nothing that can stop them from doing so. Removing IDs will just be a public safety issue in the future. And if you say that's not going to happen, it's pretty much one of the factors in how /vt/ ended up so shit if you see it that way.

>>68050 Bro really said that schizophrenia is a gateway drug. No moderation is how /vt/ got that way

Is this site falling apart?

Is this site falling apart?

>>68050 I didn't say anything about removing IDs anywhere. I don't like IDs and I would rather them not exist, but I've given up on that battle and am instead trying to come to an equal ground that can restore some of the anonymity I hold dear to the threads I use without compromising the experience that apparently many other anons prefer here and are seeing in threads that I don't use like /lig/, /pcg/, and whatever other massive conglomerates that people are seeing success in. Schizos aren't waiting 8 hours for their ID to reset to post again after everyone filtered them, and if they do you just click one button and filter them again. They're also not a big enough occurrence in a majority of threads that that's even something that really needs to be considered, even the threads where the IDs are most useful don't even last that long. My home thread hasn't had one single person in the 5 days since we started who really needed to be mass filtered. At most there were one or two weird posts from different (1)s who were just ignored as they would have been even without IDs. >>68169 the backend dies somewhat regularly

>>68008 >Codexx I don't see where he's said it's uncontroversial, but if it is, it's amongst the vols at this point in time if he did say it, he's not entirely in the loop on everything and running off what he can skim over between putting out fires elsewhere we are entrusted to find agreement among ourselves that said, for me, I was very hesitant on IDs and was one of the people who abused full anonymity on 4chan for funposting, having multiple personalities, etc and was also really afraid we would lose a lot of those posters, potentially forever if 4chan does come back up a shit show however, anons are returning and some anons seem like they're being more silly >encouraged to circumvent this is 8chan, not 4chan, things are a little different here bans are easy to evade by design ids might be, too, I haven't asked, but considering how easy it is, I would assume so we're also not interested in power tripping and ruining your day, just keeping the peace for those that want more or less of it you are allowed to have fun here others just don't have to put up with it if they don't want to, so you might have to stop after a while, take it to a thread that appreciates it more, or find a new bit the only people on the major shit list are the forever nuisances that only exist to ruin everyone else's day

>>68176 This shit is future planning, anon. I think you hold anonymity to a higher standard than it's usually done. I'm already cynical to the sad reality that in most, if not all, cases, anonymity is just a fiction for a certain kind of masses. There are ways to anonymize yourself, but they aren't here, at the very least not since >literally who testified in a court case. You're pretty much hoping for the return of something that hasn't existed in way over a decade, even two if you're as cynic as me. And in any case, as >>68305 mentioned, the rules are different here. Maybe if 4chan does come back, I'll also start posting there again even if they launch with pretty much nothing changed, due to inertia more than anything else. But in the meantime? This particular hellhole is the best replacement site for it, and I suspect it'd be at worst a bunker for a few anons.

>>68346 That's an entirely different context of anonymity that's not being discussed here. We're talking about anonymity on an image board which comes in four forms: Anonymous, ID, Namefag, and Tripfag. We're not talking about court orders or Fog Data Science here

>>68518 Hello, second flen. If you're sure about that, I already said in >>67937 that those concerns are better taken to the mods with an alternate solution, because, if you go with the posture of anonimity you've said, surely you could see how having a super special thread with different rules fuck with everything else. But if you insist on that anonymity, what's exactly wrong with IDs as is? They serve their purpose as a deterrent for fun-to-shitposting escalation, and again, unless you advocate for special rules for threads, either by mods or by the ops, which I already said why it'd be a bad idea, there's pretty much nothing else to mention on the matter, I think.

>>68618 >fuck

>>68618 The alternate solution is literally what we are suggesting with IDs having an expiration based on time. Honestly what you suggested there has so many problems with it I don't even really know where to begin, and it overall just makes everything a worse experience. Hell, even if I'd prefer them to filter out much sooner, you could literally just put the date in the hash for the ID >>44429 and then they change every 24 hours. It's better than nothing.

>>68305 He said originally he was looking at user reaction, but only as told to him by BVs. I was told it was a matter of what the majority wanted and not just the hypothetical pros and cons. He said he asked you to check out the generals and collect their thoughts. This contrasts pretty hard with this suggestion IDs are just simply something BVs voted for based on their personal views and people complaining are just gay fags bitching. I hope you can see how this is frustrating since we were just asked to wait and see how public opinion develops, but you're telling me the decision was already reached. I was kinda worried already that this was the case (since it just tends to happen, not due to any malice), but that would mean Codexx was just being wishy-washy and non-confrontational in his explanation, which is, I have to say, not a great way to communicate with the public. TL;DR - Nobody told us we had to convince you, just be clear about our stance and it would be taken into consideration. I'm open to the possibility this has all just been miscommunicated, but using the capcode makes it look like an authoritative ruling from both of you. I would have thought Codexx's opinion trumps you, but he has now said the opposite and it was your call, so nobody is actually accepting responsibility for the decision. I'm also not sure why BVs were going around arguing with people directly and influencing the decision, which at least two have now confirmed they were doing (good going, IDs). Anyway, this is a dead debate and it seems a little bit tangled politically now, so I'm not saying you have to do anything about it, but I wanted to relay in good faith how the decision actually looked from the opposition's POV.

>>68678 ok so which small threads have problems with IDs not expiring ? Any examples or are you just arguing over theoritical bullshit with no substance?

>>68940 >problems The problem is maintenance of anonymity. It's an innate consequence of IDs existing. Every thread has their anonymity affected by IDs but threads that are up for considerably longer periods of time than others have this feature affected more than threads which cycle quickly. The point is that there is virtually no necessary reason for IDs to be maintained that long other than potential limitations of the system itself which it sounds like board owners on this site have some form of control over to modify at least, even if not natively supported. I really feel like maintaining anonymity on an anonymous image board should not be something I should have to explain the importance of. The entire reason I use these websites is because anyone could be anyone and that is what's appealing. In a thread that cycles in some few hours that is still mostly upheld because they'll be changing from thread to thread and most people probably don't even break 10-30 posts in that time, but if your thread lasts for a long time that's really just not the case anymore. If someone has 150 unique posts all tied directly back to them over the course of a week you can barely call that anonymous. This is not a problem that you can just "point to an example" of it happening. It's something that deals with the core philosophy of the website itself.

>>68940 I get the feeling it's bad actors trying to subtly shit up the place, since surprisingly this hellhole is by far one of the best alternatives.

>>69070 >This is not a problem that you can just "point to an example" of it happening. It's something that deals with the core philosophy of the website itself. Again, I said it before, but it seems like you hold anonymity as if it was some kind of god. It isn't. It's just a concept that was new-ish in its time, and later helped differentiate the site when revealing your personal info became pretty much mandatory everywhere. You're saying that kind of anonymity is being threatened by an anonymous poster being identified as a specific anonymous poster in the pool of anonymous posters. If you're as cynical as me, this could be an issue since everything already tracks you, but if that's the case, why are you even bothering with your anonymity philosophy?

>>68681 your reasoning is really hard to follow and has a very suspicious bent maybe you struggle with the idea of delegation and accountability codexx is not a /vt/ native, hasn't used 4chan in a long time, and doesn't know the ins and outs of the board, so he opened applications for volunteers to represent the interests of the board--accepted based on the vibes we gave in the app and can be obviously be replaced and yes, you may have argued with us, much of it before being accepted, because we're concerned invested posters trying our best to not fuck it up for everyone else if you ever thought it was going to be a poll or something, that's on you for assuming if you ever thought a guy who doesn't know us was going to unilaterally make decisions for us after not having time to sit through our thousands of posts of autistic drivel, that's also on you for assuming me arguing points here wasn't to exert any kind of control over the process, I've argued from damn near every angle of it so that I know I'm not being a retarded autistic faggot, just an autistic faggot I'm sure all of us (BVs) have also paid attention to other arguments about them across the board, and this might blow your mind, but we can see the post history, too we all agreed this was the best way forward for now if it had to be decided two days ago, I would have argued tooth and nail to give us a few days to settle in and then try removing them before 4chan comes back up so maybe people won't run off and maybe the skittish posters would come back public opinion did develop, the ones screeching the most about it ran in circles and out of steam, their arguments stopped holding water as shy anons started posting again, and everyone else on the board has been very pleased

>>69127 Because the idea of anyone being capable of being anyone is threatened? I don't care about whatever NSA secret agency has my information, that's not the point that's being made and it's not somethin that's solved by anything done on this site. The point is that IDs completely enforce the idea that each poster is uniquely tied to all of their posts in ways that go far beyond general identifying information like filenames (which oldchan had ways of randomizing filenames to circumnavigate that were very popular, along with manually altering md5s to not be tracked on archives) or something as vague as posting habits. It's a concrete and definite link between posts. I do not want that link to exist for long periods of time. Really I don't want it to exist at all, but again I understand why some anons in certain threads which are hotpots for bad faith activity can see a usefulness in recognizing things like that easier. It's really just not a big change at all and I just simply do not see what problem you could possibly have with the IDs auto cycling after enough time. Genuinely, what is the argument against it, other than implementation issue? I see a lot of you asking why it's important to me and I think I've explained that pretty fucking well by this point and I'm running in circles trying to get it through your heads that I care about posters not having strict identifying information in their posts, but, I ask this genuinely, how does it negatively impact anyone? If someone wants all of their posts to be linked there are already methods to do that, and if the IDs were to cycle regularly it just gives a way for users who do not want a forced tripcode to do so.

Just popping here to say this whole thing has been very entertaining to see unfold, that's all. no contribution to either arguments from me, as I'm fine with whatever it goes

>>69200 I mean there's a lot going on with the 4chan migration happening, I think the id thing you're proposing is just not a priority right now, the site was attacked yesterday and lost a node(it's already back up), and just today there was a schizo on /v/ spent the entire day using a custom botnet to spam the final fantasy xiv threads, so there's a lot going on right now I would guess

>>69158 if there's any ground I'll give here, I do recall the vols recruitment post being phrased as help with cleanup and the like, but also you're not privy to conversations that happened after that go read through the site meta thread >>>/site/5423 to get a taste of what they're dealing with trying to keep the functioning and operating better for us (and the rest of the refugees)

>>69249 I get that, I'm not saying I want it now I just want the idea of it to be something that is considered instead of having people screaming at me for being a falseflagging schizo or whatever for wanting a different and more nuanced solution. I've made it clear I do not like IDs at all but I'm willing to compromise at the very least because overall there are a lot of other nice features here and I'd like to continue using it.

>>69273 I see, just bring the idea with the modd on >>>/site/ later when there isn't so much going on, right now there's a influx of users, and let me tell you I already saw a lot of very disruptive schizos (some shitposting multiple boards on 4chan for more than 10 years) popping up here and there, thankfully they got delt with by the moderation pretty quickly.

>>69273 I'm not opposed to rotating IDs if it would help, the points for them are pretty reasonable the point against, though, is anons could just learn how to abuse vpns and that's a lot easier to code

>>69323 Looking through there I really don't envy what they have to deal with. Looks like there was a point somewhat recently where they just banned uploading of PNGs because people were mass dumping cp in dead boards. >>69335 Doesn't seem that hard to me to just add a date parameter to the ID hash at minimum, but it's probably not supported currently to have unique ID hashing per board so it would change how they work across the whole site which is definitely not wanted. >anons could just learn how to abuse vpns and that's a lot easier to code That's fair enough I guess for now.

>>69158 >>69251 My biggest concern at this time is that if codexx pulls from /vt/ users who sent apps he might onboard jannies or staff from large indies or corpos and might lead to some long term ops being run without anyone realizing. Yes I am a paranoid schizophrenic but that's beside the point.

>>69410 yeah I don't think it's necessarily complicated, either, but you never know with this stuff also theoretically just storing an extra datetime and adding it to the hash function should just work tm across the entire site if it's not difficult to add an extra param? so I'm not sure that's an issue in the case, just need a board toggle and an extra check/rehash on posting, but I haven't seen a single line of imageboard code in many, many years

>>69450 Working in the entire site would be good anons on /a/ are pretty divided on the id thing too looking at the meta thread there it's all they can talk about

>>69423 I share it, thankfully most mod actions are logged to some degree, so stalk the logs and if you start noticing anything really weird, compile it and email concerns to codexx I have some ideas I'll ask about later on to maybe help further prevent it

>>69158 WTF is this vitriolic response? Your overall point seems to be that I'm too stupid to argue with, but you're also suggesting sinister intent and that's it's some kind of trick... Which is it, dude? The only bent you're seeing is that I'm trying to approach this calmly, even though some of the points and accusations are not exactly nice. It has to be this way. We are being mature about this, or I'm trying to be. The way I see it is this: the actions from staff are going to determine whether or not people stay. Full stop, I'm not trying to damage the board by convincing people to leave or by convincing the BO to make rulings. I only wanted the issue made clear to the fullest extent possible with every important defense stated, simply because what people claim to want isn't always what they actually want. I was very sympathetic when I got here and my only concern was a happy ending where everyone stays including me. I have no idea what evil hidden intent you think you're detecting, but it's just simply not there. Most people I see making counter-arguments seem to have the opposite intent and demand any dissenters leave the board, claiming a great deal of investment in this board's way of doing things but taking the actual approach of rapidly killing it. I think what I'm seeing here is a total lack of social awareness. For example, I stated how I thought the decision was reached, and you've just confirmed that I did understand it correctly. The contradiction was with what Codexx said about it, but I observed and correctly concluded how it actually worked and that the mistake was his. I do not see any reason why you felt the need to re-explain the process after I already explained it and both explanations were the exact same thing. I guess this is some kind of tone thing, not an issue of fact. We should agree on this point, but you have taken the most hostile and pedantic approach to it possible and refuse to move on from it, despite... criticizing my tone. Word to the wise - you are too angry to be posting as staff. Like I said above, in the interest of people actually wanting to the use the board, you really ought to delete this shit and never act like that again. Your role gives de jure freedom to post whatever you want, but you have to consider the impact of your actions in reality. My overall observation has been that people aren't getting used to this, they're getting used to gatekeeping and telling people to leave and never return. People lost interest in arguing about it, but that doesn't mean they have changed their minds at all. I can't see any reason why you would think otherwise, and you allude to this being the case, you just seem to view at as a victory. What people don't say is just as important as what they do say, if not moreso, and you need to be able to see this and not just vague shadowy malintent. The ultimate conclusion I have seen everyone on both sides reach in discussion is: if you don't like it, leave. Is that really what you want?

>>69480 I think it's something that honestly just more control over would be nice. It's obviously going to be the most contentious issue with most of of the userbase right now. Obviously they have more on their hands than just one board and a solution that works here might not work for somewhere like /a/, I'm not sure if they would be satisfied with a once a day reset on the ID just with how different the board is. /vt/ always saw a majority of the posting localized in different generals, it's very different from something like /v/ and /a/ where catalog threads make up a big part of the board. Maybe that's just me projecting because the /vt/ catalog was a shithole hellscape and I avoided it like the plague, but it was very rare to see a catalog thread at the top of board speed. Giving people more control over how IDs are handled might make them less divisive and more likely to stay.

>>69629 Yeah honestly the ideal would be a toggle and any board owner could decide how the IDs would work there, as for /v/ and /a/ as a regular of both Id are necessary, less so on /a/ to some degree, but those place where the breeding ground for schizos that terrorized multiple boards on 4chan for years, I mean really disruptive people. And just today someone used a custom botnet to shit on a thread on /v/ for more than 8 hours,

posting to show approval of new rules and stuff, so far seems reasonable to me.

>>69450 i like the idea of the rotating IDs, something like every 4-6 hours, anons are used to being anons but the IDs are doing a lot of good. though the issue i've seen with the static ID in smaller generals is that they just don't want an ID tied to them for days. i don't exactly know how this will effect the larger, more schizoridden threads as i don't usually go to them but they're also fast enough that the timed IDs would likely coincide with the thread getting bumplocked and a new one getting made >inb4 use a vpn i guess if someone wants a new ID every few posts then they can, but something more baseline would probably go a long way as anons, in some degree, like the anonymity to go both ways, it's felt a little off knowing who im talking to

>>66197 I think handcam stream content should be posted unspoilered because it's the most common type of hybrid stream vtubers do, otherwise good calls.

>>70077 Never mind, I didn't backread everything.

>>69618 Willing to bet that this guy got sexually abused by his dad.

I just lurked around in holotower and jesus christ... this place is honestly good as it is. Rotating IDs still seems stupid. I'd just leave everything as it is right now for at least couple of weeks/months and then we can talk about maybe changing something if it's an issue. Jesus christ holotower is just like one of those super restrictive discords, no fun allowed at all. >>66197 >b. Images of vtubers' real-life bodies and especially faces may only be posted behind spoilers, and only if posted on their vtuber-related accounts or streams. I'd just allow it if it's a passing mention honestly. Enforcing this rule is a pain in the ass and it only makes shitposters want to post it more. In 4ch/jp/ people would just post, laugh (if it's something somewhat embarrassing) and forget shortly after. This rule only exists to protect the feelings of giga schizos anyway and IRL personas themselves are VERY friendly with fans of their vtuber personas. RMs themselves seem fine with fans of their vtuber personas flooding their RM accounts. >c. Discussion of vtubers' previous incarnations, ("PL"), is generally permitted I'd just permit it and only ban it when some tard just won't stop talking about PL in a thread where that person is now someone else and schizoing over it for days/weeks. Generally less rules = less schizos and less work for you. The more you coddle whiny dipshits the more schizo and/or demanding they get, and I mean both fans and shitposters. Shit/funposters would get pissed and start evading bans to shitpost harder for getting banned just for venting and having a bit of fun. Fans would start spam-reporting everything that hurts their feelings. If I was a mod, I'd only ban people who are legit annoying (like spamming, samefagging would be here too but it's stupid with IDs, constantly talking about RM/PL in a "current persona" thread etc, also global rules). If people want to have a "no PL, RM, negativity allowed" safe space then they can just go to holotower (they are already having problems due to having too many strict rules). Mentioning them is fine and when some tard won't ever stop talking about them, then he's in a wrong thread and is more interested in a PL than the current persona which is the whole point of the thread. In that case he's just lost unless he spams something unrelated just to get a rise. I dunno, it's just that /vt/ discord tier mods ruined the board and it's still annoying me. This place seems superb (there's IDs, I can post multiple pics, I can post vids with audio, mods seem to be less mentally ill than 4ch ones etc), wouldn't want it devolve into the same

>>70259 >IRL personas themselves are VERY friendly with fans of their vtuber personas. RMs themselves seem fine with fans of their vtuber personas flooding their RM accounts Claiming something like this is unequivocally true is not only disingenuous but straight up retarded. No, on /jp/ they didn't just laugh at it, back then it was bannable while lately they were making naked deepfakes of their irl personas. Do you people really miss nyfco that much?

>>70259 "Let retards shitpost or they are going to be even worse" isn't a good argument.

>>70259 >I just lurked around in holotower and jesus christ... this place is honestly good as it is wdyn? the /lig/ refugee thread is normal there besides tribal spam that gets cleaned up.

>>70468 Holotower is waiting for you, as I said. And I don't know about JPs, but ENs like fwmc, Kiara, Mori were more than fine with tards who have their vtuber personas flooding their accounts. Also just because some shitposter was making deepfakes (which I didn't see and I frequented /jp/ at least once a week) means nothing, people will shitpost and making deepfakes is just shitposting. If enough people report it aka find it annoying then it's fine to ban whoever makes that, I though that was obvious. >>70586 Yes? Are you new to the internet? Letting some shitposters make a post or couple is fine. He gets it out of his system and moves on and as I said, that applies to most regular shitposters, and I'm not talking about retards who food the board with "1 IP by this post" bait. If it turns into spamming then it's legit annoying and is banworthy. If you want a completely "no shitposting allowed" zone, then holotower is waiting for you on the other side.

>>70607 >Holotower is waiting for you >holotower anon not everyone watches hololive, you're better off finding where the hlg thread on /jp/ went

>>70607 >You didn't like nyfco? Holotower is waiting for you! This anon is glowing.

>>70607 i don't think you're really reading the spirit of the new rules. basically, if you shitpost WITH the thread, you will be fine. if you shitpost AGAINST the thread, you will get reported and deleted, and if you continue doing that too much you get banned. shitposting is fine if you can read the room first

>>65182 >>65289 >>65387 >Another girl made a hard cut to her PL It's easy to find her dox if you know her PL, so one of the few good things the halfchan jannies did in 4/pkg/ was nuking mentions of her PL as dox on sight. Meimi's is a unique edge case and I hope the mods here will also deal with this the same way.

>>70659 That's what I was implying, I thought it was obvious. But on top of that, if a person for example makes one or two shit/fun posts somewhere, but otherwise is a decent poster then that shouldn't be banworthy either is my point. I've seen over many years how biggest schizos started out by being banned for one or two funposts, which annoys them, they then proceed to shitpost a bit more to "vent', are banned, and from there it turns into genuine obsession. Enforcing so called board specific rules religiously and to the extreme never ends well is my point. It always births the most obsessed and annoying ban evading schizos who never leave and will follow the topic literally anywhere. That's why imo posting a pic of MR or PL doing something interesting won't be theend of the world and posters will just ignore, in turn who ever posted that will realize that people legit aren't interested (unless the other posters start whining about it endlessly). In that case shitposters also take note and will use it to annoy people. That's my other point, and it's that moderation is something that anons themselves can influence by not being whiny mentally ill spergs. The more you cry about something, the more attention it will gain, in turn that will be used to annoy literally everyone and it will be spammed, including the mods who will be flooded with reports of something.

>>70259 >If I was a mod, [...] that's essentially what we were doing from the start for the most part enforcement is left up to the thread's discretion and it's not a major offense to piss them off, the post just gets trashed and everyone can move on, warned if they don't get it, and then only temp banned to cool down and take a few minutes to find some other thread to play with one guy in a catalog or big thread trying to play thread police with the report system and rules just gets noted and closed unless it's something egregious because threads have different tolerances and it's not been difficult to accommodate everyone so far

>>70783 > It always births the most obsessed and annoying ban evading schizos who never leave and will follow the topic literally anywhere. what is this beaten wife mentality? you deserve to live in happiness and safety, bb. don't settle for being treated like shit to avoid escalating violence.

im dumb what does the "global report" option do

>>70783 and I agree with this, too it's an imageboard on the internet, being annoying isn't a crime, especially if your post history isn't just a bunch of random garbage just don't be persistently and terminally annoying like the jurardcuck, kiki/shon schizos, camuischizo, RES, simon/blackjack, pkgschizo, paraschizo, and others

>>70845 sends it directly to global vols for violations of global rules mostly to be used for pizza of the cheese variety as far as I know we can't delete content from the site, so we have to report it up the chain to get it fully removed, too otherwise I believe we're expected to handle most things ourselves, though I could be mistaken

>>66197 reasonable

Please edit the other sticky to add a link to the board rules page so it's easier to find.

>>71351 ok

>>66268 can we pls have a confirm that Exodia in the cosplay thread gets you a 3 day ban when you complete it tho? thats the whole fun of it and kinda defeats the point if there is no risk involved at all

>>71471 Note that that post refers to past *vtuber* identities, it's not free license to post IRL images from non-vtuber alts they haven't publicly associated with the persona.

Any other generals got some weird bot posts last night? Pretty sure /pcg/ got hit by 1-2 bots that were posting random nonsense every minute or so. Apparently the FFXIV thread on /v/ was hit by an insane bot attack, so probably not a coincidence.

>>71587 I don't think that guy's actually a bot I think he just wanted to schizo out for fun and get banned to go to bed or something it's 4/20 after all, who knows what he might've been on

>>71587 I couldn't post at all because the site wouldn't let me get an ID by solving the captcha.

>>70694 Yes, that's exactly who I was talking about and you obviously understand why. Meimi is a special case and any discussion of her PL should be pruned.

>>71641 wew that's good to know

>>71693 yeah, would've put him on ice faster, but it's pcg so I try not to intervene with threads like that, cleared or unanswered reports don't necessarily mean what they're doing is okay, they just haven't met whatever nebulous threshold for dealing with them is yet

>>71471 >Begging for more rules.

I don't care about flesh personas at all. I just want to be able to know where to continue to follow a vtuber after she graduates. I don't keep close tabs on every vtuber I watch to know their alts, PLs and sabus. I rely on places like here.

>>71838 Yeah, discussing "[recently graduated vtuber] has reincarnated on [new vtuber channel]" is pretty much always going to be fine. Try to be respectful of thread culture if they would prefer you take extended discussion outside of the group thread or something, but otherwise you're good.

>>71912 Good to hear! I was a little worried about the "case-by-case" part.

>>71988 Mostly by that we just mean that we intend to take context and established thread culture into account. Some threads are going to be more friendly toward that kind of discussion than others, and there's a difference between good faith discussion and people spamming stuff specifically to troll or attack fanbases they don't like. I know the wording on some stuff may seem a bit vague right now, but keep in mind the current rules are meant to be a kind of best fit compromise between many different threads that traditionally have had very different tolerance for that stuff and different preferences for how they would like things to be, so we are doing our best to be as respectful of that as possible from a moderation standpoint. Everyone should rest assured we don't intend to go around hunting for minor infractions to punish people for when they're clearly not bothering anybody.

any update on the refreshing IDs every so often thing? or changing the post/bump limit. would be a godsend for a lot of generals, especially smaller ones. having to go through 1,000 posts to change them is a major deterrent for anons who value their anonymity more, & creates a negative feedback loop of not wanting to post leading to slower threads leading to wanting to post even less.

>>72063 >established thread culture Speaking of which, my home thread discusses /vt/ board events like Divegrass and Ogey Calibur again, life goes on. It's unironically a huge part of this community. Other threads host CyTube watchalongs of movies which may be unrelated to the vtuber herself. Just to be clear, I assume that this is fine, right?

>>72211 >any update on the refreshing IDs every so often iirc that'll be a no for the time being because the small team operating 8chan has more important problems to deal with, check the sticky at >>>/site/

>>72224 Yeah sure, that stuff should all be fine.

>>72231 the next best thing then is lowering the post/bump limit so generals die faster. anything on that?

>>72245 I don't see anything about that, but I'm pretty sure that will have to be discussed by the community first. I'm pretty sure /news/ would oppose it, for example.

>>72245 it's possible, but the catalog is 450 threads max and we don't have functional archives beyond archive.today so the question is do we want to try keeping as much around for as long as possible in case archives can get worked out for those that's important to (me, I'm biased) or do we want to risk losing more stuff once it fills up I need to ask what happens with merges and post limits to see if it's possible to lower it, but then merge the old threads to combine 4x 500 post threads into 1x 2000 post thread that could buy us a lot of time that's not important to everybody and some would actually prefer a more ephermal board, but I'm gay, sentimental, and sometimes they're really useful

>>72290 >we don't have functional archives beyond archive.today even there, archiving the thread page isn't enough, one would have to open every image in a new tab and archive them, too

>>72288 /news/ was lasting >10 days on /vt/ with 300 posts, they'll be fine, we don't have nearly as many threads baked per day as /vt/ since there's not 50 holo/niji threads getting artspammed to limit I also wouldn't mind /news/ getting special treatment to find a format that suits it better if it wants it and people actually contribute

>>72311 /news/ was doing ghost bumps (bump anchor, delete post), which was less than optimal I got tired of doing it after a while

>>72311 >I also wouldn't mind /news/ getting special treatment to find a format that suits it better if it wants it and people actually contribute /vt/ would NEVER. wow. I'm actually impressed by your work, keep it up.

>>72290 my big concern is anons avoiding the site altogether because they don't want to end up with 50, 70, 100+ identifiable posts in a thread. That is a massive deterrent to a lot of anons (just ask in /zords/ on holotower; I think /jidf/ anons in particular are reluctant about IDs+very long threads, but there was also talk in /tsunx/ about the dilemma earlier). here's some data from the biggest threads that haven't died ONCE since 4ch went down /数字/ 855 posts, 151 UIDs /tsunx/ 761, 93 /mint/ 690, 82 /HAHA/ 680, 82 /BIG/ 651, 88 /vrt/ 624, 108 /mans/ 545, 104 /tingles/ 486, 119 /shon/ 462, 80 /corpo/ 437, 109 /asp/ 430, 115 /pcgen3k/ 398, 46 /sloppies/ 365, 48 I think this problem is important enough to either remove IDs (which I personally don't think would be a problem assuming competent & active meidos), or to put a higher priority, maybe an active call to arms, on figuring out an archival solution so the bump/post limit can be lowered. "Buying time" is an active detriment for anons who want new IDs more often than once a week (or longer) in their threads.

>>72311 As the other anon said, someone had to keep /news/ alive by constant bumping and even then sometimes it just died. But if preferential treatment is possible, simply pinning it would solve the issue.

>>72311 >>72327 news, and by extention most small threads, were also fighting against the holo + niji threads and a 10 page limit, but now that the speed of the board is much slower and threads don't seem to even die, even if we moved back to the /vt/ bump limit of 310, even the slowest threads would still likely be able to hit post limit before falling off the board

>>72424 and to be clear, the problem will be MUCH worse for even slower generals, like wool, vrex, v4m, gsg, vsinger, pkg, anya-petra, lia, wvt, brg, choc, freak, cbdct, esmol, jidf, ppg, pink, fig, etc. no one wants (300) next to their post. so they'll go to holotower, or in the worst case, /vt/.

/news/ also has its own archive so it isnt affected by that issue https://vt.rita.moe/news.xml I think a pin would actually be beneficial as it would be way easier to find in general and that might prompt jannies to observe it a bit more closely and keep it as clean as possible.

>>72424 Speaking of /mint/, that Guraschizo visited again and again and used to ban evade every 5 minutes or so just to continue spamming. I'm pretty sure you all saw his thread, tourists from other boards dropped in just to laugh at him. On /vt/, the usual threadshitters were mods that banned actual Wisps when they dared to report them. IDs have made it very easy to filter retards like this and the thread is extremely in favour of IDs.

>>72479 >so they'll go to holotower, or in the worst case, /vt/. I'd only leave if /vyt/ added flags, which doesn't seem to be on the agenda, fortunately.

>>72479 I fully understand, and I'm very sympathetic to it I'm not going to try to hold a change up if that's what the people want, just represent what we're losing in the process the second part of the argument is there's a big gap in what the IDs are actually doing / how much effort and change it really is to adapt and how much people who've never tried it perceive it to be, so so far I've been trying to educate people and maybe get more warming up to it I'm not sure I'm personally having any effect, but the difference in small general posting from day one to now is huge--warkop even came back today the other aspect we're really missing is being able to change the art and op for events/rotation/etc and I'm really sympathetic to that, too, even if anons haven't talked about it much

>>72424 >>72479 >>72516 I honestly wouldn't be opposed to slower threads choosing to rebake earlier and reporting the previous thread to request a lock, as long as it's something the thread collectively agrees on. It's kind of a clumsy solution but could maybe help ease some of those issues while we figure out something more permanent.

>>72516 a question, how hard would it be to code for mods to only set IDs with timers per thread based on subject? as in, set it that only the threads that have, say, "/wool/" in the subject have timed IDs, otherwise it stays as is it could be made that only mods enforce that, and only for specific threads

>>72583 could be doable now and then, but I don't want to be locking and maybe merging a dozen threads a day because they want daily bakes or something

>>72590 we just don't know as far as I know none of the vols know anything about 8chan's backend or lynxchan there's been a lot of *id ideas* floated, so it really depends on what's feasible, worth the trouble, and codexx actually has time to do

>>72479 You don't speak for /wvt/, IDs have only improved quality

>>72479 As someone who participates in a few of those threads, IDs have been a blessing.

>>72608 The vols don't, but some posters and visitors might. 8chan is open source, so anyone who can and wishes to contribute should be able to fork and then submit pull requests, obviously communicating with Codexx on the appropriate channels.

>>72642 that's a selection bias; the anons who are uncomfortable with IDs are significantly less likely to post where there are IDs. I wasn't saying that everyone opposes being highly identifiable; just that the anons who do oppose being highly identifiable shouldn't be brushed off.

>>70851 Please also ban camui himself as well as camuischizo, they are both extremely annoying and made asp completely unusable on /vt/

>>72697 is he the one that's been making those weird obvious playing nice posts

>>72679 >the anons who are uncomfortable with IDs are significantly less likely to post where there are IDs. That is true, but that also means you can't accurately estimate their numbers and are just guessing that there must be a lot of them somewhere.

>>72747 you can browse holotower for an idea zords is pretty poppin a lot of the other niche communities might just be hiding in their oshi's discords, but I swear I see new ones pop up every day

>>72747 You can look at generals that are both here and at the holotower, trying to guesstimate the userbase on the latter.

>>72747 i'd say i can make a pretty educated guess since i've been on /zords/ since it popped up. maybe a majority of them are /jidf/ anons, while /jidf/ here is completely dead, & they've talked occasionally about being reluctant to being identified here. the same conversation beats also came up in /tsunx/ earlier, so I have to assume many (not all, most) generals are having a similar issue. on the other hand, /pcgia/ came here and was never really in /zords/, so while there's clearly no one-size-fits-all attitude towards IDs, it's clear to me that a large quantity of anons ARE being filtered by them.

Are we free to use languages other than English on threads such as >>2946 or should we go to >>>/vt/ I wouldn't like to lose IDs given the schizo problems we have

>>72516 >the other aspect we're really missing is being able to change the art and op for events/rotation/etc and I'm really sympathetic to that, too, even if anons haven't talked about it much this would also be a good reason to reduce the post limit and merge with old threads. >so far I've been trying to educate people and maybe get more warming up to it i understand that you're trying to educate on IDs but i think the issue is that in the smaller threads that weren't full of issues, the slight hit to quality was worth the anonymity so something to alleviate the issue would still be appreciated >>72747 >and are just guessing that there must be a lot of them somewhere they're in /zords/ on holotower for now, it's where seemingly the majority of /jidf/ has ended up >inb4 they can just stay there most generals don't want to fracture any more than they already have

>>72424 Speaking for /haha/ and /mint/, we're extremely in favor of IDs.

>>72812 >it's clear to me that a large quantity of anons ARE being filtered by them yeah I know it's just an anecdote, basically, but still. /mint/ is on Holotower and here, it's completely dead on Holotower while it's thriving here. Apparently Holotower has huge issues with schizos which just isn't a problem here. Over here, it's 2 clicks to hide or report an ID - done! Especially considering how /vt/ jannies *were* the threadshitters we had to deal with, usually, IDs are seen as a blessing.

>>72812 >on the other hand, /pcgia/ came here and was never really in /zords/ /pcgia/ is an exceptional case. They've always had a strong culture of avatar use and basically every regular poster in the thread knows one another by a name, so adding actual IDs to the mix didn't really change anything for them and made their transition to this board smoother than basically any other general.

>>72720 Yeah, the guy that talks like a redditor and uses stuff like ^^ Also I'm not sure if it's 8chan failing to connect or my own internet

I think the bump/post limit should be 350/700 to speed the board up a bit.

>>72919 >new id I guess it was my own Internet then

>>72424 >assuming competent & active meidos why would you ever assume this, just reduce the number of posts per thread before it archives/gets bumped off

>>72812 >>72900 >/pcgia/ came here we're in both but we've got a fast enough thread that the ID system effects us less, the other thing is /pcgia/ has very rarely needed moderation despite it's speed even back on /VT/, most poster recognise each other so tourists are usually spotted pretty easily. but even then there's are anons even there who aren't happy with IDs >>69522 (60174) >>69746 (60174)

>>72925 The board being slow is a good thing in my opinion, no need of being on "bumping duty" for example is a nice change of pace.

Please ban the numbers general so they understand they need to use their containment board here https://8chan.moe/num/res/2.html They are a bunch of very ill people who have nothing in common with the rest of the vtubing audience who watch streams to have fun.

>>72887 >>72892 I think single-chuuba generals will have a different viewpoint because linking multiple posts to one anon will be less meaningful. In a small corpo general, "Oh, anon 849382 is a fan of X, Y, and Z, he must be [name]" is a real fear. /jidf/ anons in particular, lovers of children that they are, probably will not appreciate their non-anonymous identities to be linked to their /here/ postings. and again, i think the most pro-ID anons would still be satisfied by just having competent moderation. i'm personally of the belief that the vast, vast majority of problems /vt/ had would've been solved if the meidos just banned the worst 15 or so posters, and i REALLY doubt the call for IDs would've been so strong if we lived in the parallel universe where that happened. >>72937 it's a concern regarding archiving threads >>72290 >>72964 there are two directions in which a board can be slow; threads & the catalog itself. what you're describing is "a slow catalog is good", but i think a lot would disagree with "a slow thread (with IDs) is good".

>>72842 right now we'd be okay with you doing that to see how it goes as long as it stays contained to relevant threads. for the sake of helping us though we ask that you give as much context as possible in english if you're going to report a post in another language. we may also walk it back if it becomes a moderation nightmare, or if most people don't want it just as a heads up

>>72583 I remember some talk from the Codexx about separating bump limit and post limit so that bump limit doesn't have to be half of the post limit. Did anything come out of that? Having a lower bump limit and higher post limit would allow slow generals to have shorter threads, while faster generals wouldn't flood the catalog with threads.

>>72979 >"a slow catalog is good" >"a slow thread (with IDs) is good". I agree with both, actually. ID reset can be implemented, see previous discussion. >"Oh, anon 849382 is a fan of X, Y, and Z, he must be [name]" is a real fear. You have a point there, which is also why I'm vehemently against flags.

>>72979 >i'm personally of the belief that the vast, vast majority of problems /vt/ had would've been solved if the meidos just banned the worst 15 or so posters I agree. Again, /mint/ has a great time on here because over at /vt/, those threadshitters were the jannies. They seemingly get banned on sight here which is nice and IDs are seen as a very convenient tool for a small, but active and tight-knit community like /mint/ to filter troublemakers.

>>73039 initially i thought periodic ID reset was a good idea, but i'm drifting away from that. any anon that worries about having too high a number can just change their IP or use vpn. the more common and systemic situation is with anons that don't even like having (5)

>>73039 if they actually care they can just use a vpn or phonepost

>>73062 >>73069 the significantly more likely scenario is that they just go back to /vt/.

>>72642 I'm from /wvt/ and I'm kind of iffy on id's. The two biggest problems with the thread were Rebel and Rin, and now with proper moderation they're not issue anymore. Without them I think id's are unnecessary and can stifle potential discussion. I mean, just look at the state of the thread now, there were barely a dozen posts within 24 hours. Yes the thread quality is better than when Rin would throw his tantrums, but I still wouldn't call it great. Id's also pretty much make self posting a guaranteed thing of the past because no chuuba can make a selfpost and then continue posting in the same thread as an anon. I just miss 2020/early 2021 /wvt/ and I miss the privilege of having anonymity while not having schizo antis

>>72976 I'm sure the jannies are aware of the concerns but also don't want to exile them until they actually start shitting things up.

My question is for the most pro-ID anons is: would you be unsatisfied if you felt like meidos were doing at least a competent job in removing the shitters of your general?

>>73091 Yeah, my feeling is it's better to moderate actual patterns of behavior we see here than to just preemptively exile entire communities based on offsite behavior.

>>72979 >pro-ID anons would still be satisfied by just having competent moderation I don't think this is the case there are some small and medium threads that are big fans of it and they'd still be served okay by the same active moderation, but it's been helping them police themselves because believe it or not /vt/ is the newfag board it also adds some friction to the mouthbreathers being mouthbreathers to further reduce the moderation load the big issue with expecting moderation to handle it is the big threads like pcg, #, and lig where there's a lot more anons sharing a space and many of them have grudges against each other and their posting styles removing ids makes that harder to filter and especially pcg is having a much better time moderating for themselves while we only handle extreme cases # is also much more civil and way less of a shit fest, but that might partially be due to the children wanting to eat tower bans instead of 8chan bans lig is still divided, many like them, some are ambivalent and haven't figured out how to recapture the days of unfiltered shitposting, some are still whining and wanting to go back but between those threads, they dwarf the rest of the board in users and activity and I'm worried what taking the limiters off means we gain a bunch of shitposting that we now get called to moderate (which won't be so easy) and we lose a chunk of activity from anons that were enjoying the way things were and not having to click hide post+ dozens of times a thread when a filter id+ or two was giving them the thread they wanted

>>72989 that's something we could circle back to. we did touch on the idea but the important thing last night was settling on clear rules regarding dox.

>>73081 >I just miss 2020/early 2021 /wvt/ Herd and Bunzel forever killed that early unity

>>73080 Let's be honest, once it's back, everyone is going to go back. I don't want to, but the majority of the discussion will simply take place there and this place, along with every other splinter, is going to become a ghosttown in a few weeks. That's why it's so pointless to argue about this so much, it's all just temporary and even if miracle happens and this place stays alive even after 4chan comes back, we are going to need entirely different rules because the population won't be the same.

One thing IDs have been helpful with is filtering posting clearly gayass things but not quite in "janny-sama please save me" territory. Basically filtering irritating but otherwise lawful posters.

>>73121 To give a concrete example, 5e569e in /pcg/ right now. His posts are cringe but benign if you just ignore.

>>73108 I think that's just a division of meido labor thing. you're not going to have meidos that are familiar with every community, so it's fair to have some meidos that focus on cleaning up smaller, busier parts of the board while others focus on cleaning up larger, slower parts of the board.

>>73081 >there were barely a dozen posts within 24 hours outside of forced bumping, that was the case on 4chan, too, from what I saw >make self posting a guaranteed thing of the past some would argue that's a good thing, but also they're vtubers, they have phones make your self post with your phone, open up vts, go live >miss 2020/early 2021 /wvt/ you can rebuild it, especially without the major barriers in the way that caused people to run from it if 4chan hadn't gone down, I was thinking about helping since it seemed the schizos were fucking off more often >the privilege of having anonymity Consider using the tor platform to connect to 8chan for a more anonymous experience while watching some VODs on 8TV.

>>73108 >/lig/ It's completely sterile in /lig/ now. There's just liveposting and porn dumps. No discussion, no sillyposting, even batposting is more or less gone when it can't just be an offhand post but needs an ID attached. Ironically most that is actually discussed is people sperging out about IDs in either direction.

>>73105 I think it's a mistake to put more load on the human part of moderation. It's optimal to offload as much as possible to something automatic.

>>73105 I felt IDs were needed because of my general's experience back on /vt/, now that the volunteers here have proven to be very competent at dealing with schizos and threadshitters I'm not as bothered if they're removed. I still think they're useful in self-moderation though and I'm still not entirely happy with placing all my trust on meidos - they're doing a good job now but if in the future the board becomes busier inevitably it's going to become more difficult for them to responsive and inevitably if more are hired they're be at least a couple who are going to be similar to the /vt/ jannies. I like the assurance that if moderation does suddenly go to shit the IDs are still there to fall back on.

>>73163 more load also means more jannies also means more opportunity to recruit a turbo faggot it'd be easier to deal with here, but it'd be nice to avoid

>>73165 >>73169 Unlike /vt/, there's actually a plausible process where a turbo faggot meido can be identified and replaced, right?

>>73105 i think id's causing people to think before they post is a good think actually, and you would see more bad behavior from good posters otherwise. they wouldn't go full schizo like the notorious ones, but they would become functionally indistinguishable to other anons, which would then complain that moderation isn't doing a good job.

>>73184 the logs are there, the posts go to the trash bin, not deletion, and codexx's email is open there's probably holes in the system, but if you feel like we're up to some fuck shit, you could try addressing it here, or if it's really fucked, compile your schizo manifesto and email it to the BO

>>73162 The batposters and a couple of mumei avatarfags were terrorizing /pcg/ daily in the last months of vt. Happy to see they all went to the retardtower or roped.

>>73184 the ban and delete logs are public https://8chan.moe/logs.js?boardUri=vyt

>>72288 >>72311 /news/' regular OP and archiver here. I appreciate the thought of helping us. I am slightly concerned about the fact that we're going to have a very looooong-lasting thread. I'm happy that we don't need to bump like on 4/vt/, but not being able to refresh the OP with a new pic and round-up after a few days (even if it's two weeks) doesn't seem good to me. Especially if we consider that we've recently been doing round-ups when nearing the end of a thread, or that looking for the latest round-up mid-thread isn't as easy as seeing a recent one right at the top.

>>73169 >opportunity to recruit a turbo faggot speaking for /mint/ once again, that's basically the biggest fear given the experience we had on /vt/

>>73118 no, the holothreads are even less likely to go back, /vt/ is dead and it's corpse can rot for all i care >>73137 i think you don't quite understand how bad /pcg/ can get, the average post there was unironic shitposting that couldn't be differentiated from an anti or straight up schizo, if there's ever the case for a thread needing IDs it's that one

>>72424 >>72479 /#/ improved drastically after the implementation of IDs

Also, I think holotower is a pretty strong argument that no IDs doesn't necessarily mean cesspit. frankly, my ideal outcome thus far would be them making a 2nd board for non-holo threads.

>>73207 what is the context on this???

>>73210 there's no crime in a weekly rebake the old threads can be merged or purged or you could be a cyclic thread that stays at a steady 500 posts and never dies then periodically post the round up and report it to get the op replaced with it I'm not sure we can edit OP images, thoughever, so the former might be better and having the old news thread around until someone can get to it won't hurt

>>73212 I'm just thinking a couple of non-faggot meidos that know /pcg/ well would be a sufficient alternative to IDs. gathering sufficient meido manpower seems more practical to me than dealing with the drawbacks of IDs (but I'd be perfectly fine if the drawbacks of IDs are addressed, to be clear) >>73214 If removing IDs means we have to get rid of /#/ then we may just have to keep a stiff upper lip, grit our teeth, and say thank you for your sacrifice as they're ritualistically thrown into the volcano. & frankly I think they're the ones most certain to go back to /vt/ anyway, so they probably won't be a factor anymore when they do.

>>73252 tingles native poster shitposting in /asmr/ about being glad they're back and having to slum it in tingles those threads have maaaaad beef and /asmr/ wants none of it it was just a heads up

>>73231 i've heard multiple anons both here and on HT complain about eating bans after innocuous stuff over there as holofags are some of the most tribalistic posters you can interact with and it's showing, the HT modteam are making a hugbox where even friendly banter can get you the hammer

>>73260 I'm not sure any of us actually know pcg that well and I've read multiple posts while lurking them about how that's what they want they have meido ptsd or something and they don't want us in their hood except to take out the nuclear waste could that change eventually? maybe, but it'd still suffer from having to choose how much to let their various factions decide the policing

>>73295 I don't think that'll be an issue here with Codexx & these meidos. & /zords/ hasn't had that issue as far as I can tell, which is the most pertinent data point.

>>73271 >those threads have maaaaad beef and /asmr/ wants none of it I'm impressed you actually concern yourself with thread culture and such. Incredible.

>>73335 I'm an autistic retard that likes learning about shit with nothing better to do in life than do it for free don't be like me

>>73324 >/zords/ hasn't had that issue that's because /zords/ is cool, even the HT mods say they like that place the most as it's not full of dipshits who'll report you for saying their oshi isn't number 1 at everything

>>73210 As I suggested earlier a pinned cyclic thread like this one would eliminate all the issues, roundups could just be posted weekly in the thread if necessary but in general it would make the archiving process seamless and simple. The only issue is tagging certain pieces of news to different anchors but I'm sure there's a solution to that.

>>73212 >/vt/ is dead and it's corpse can rot for all i care Eh, I've seen the resurgence of altchans several times in the past and it never lasted long. People will go where the traffic is. But we'll see.

>>73395 4chan has never been down for more than a few days at most before, this time might have more impact and it will probably not come back in the same form

Why did you delete the first thread about Flayon raiding someone? https://8chan.se/vyt/res/71268.html It was clearly a joke thread and about vtubers.

>>73352 https://warosu.org/vt/thread/97290087#p97299585 you might appreciate this thread (as in, multiple posts). anon did some archive diving into the schizo(s) of like, half a dozen indie/small corpo generals, including a bit of /tingles/. /corpo/ and /pkg/ in particular were absolute wastelands on /vt/ from meido-supported schizospam.

>>73439 I haven't seen the anti-male schizo in a long time now that I think about it

>>73376 I use the backlinks on the anchors to read the news and later make round-ups. Unless there's a way to pin posts in a cyclic thread (which would be a cool feature in general), they're going to be eaten, and it'll be a pain to (a) find the content and (b) look for the new anchors mid-thread to properly contribute.

>>73434 report + that's the jurard cuck spammer I'd like to know what redeeming value you think a person who constantly spams the board with shiori/jurard porn and twitter screenshots is bringing with >Not even single mom is saved from holostars cock

>>73466 he wasn't anti-male really, far from it. he'd deliberately exaggerate & promote the presence of men because he loves NTR.

>>73516 and for reference, I repeatedly argue for more lenience with catalog threads in general, but when your post history screams "I'm only spamming this low effort shit to make people mad" and people report it, then they're going to get the leeway

>>73552 I think there were multiple, there was the turk, one was Rin, there was one /wasp/ one that made it into the /asp/ divegrass team, and at least one more maybe

>>73489 depending on what you guys have going on with the archives, you could switch to a tag format and then have the archive automatically spit out all the entries ordered by tag so you can copy/paste and edit in place >[News] Senawa returns! >https://yaddayadda would save time, too, if it automatically removes the tags, then any news you or trained reporters post could already be formatted for headline inclusion and need virtually no editing

>>73309 IDs pretty much killed the attempts to make it look like the thread has a certain opinion on something. That massively improved thread quality.

>>73516 sometimes i see that faggot spam cuck porn in /#/ with a new ID

>>73641 Yeah, way harder to manipulate opinions now. Those psyops essentially need to stay and be visible to either trick outsiders who skim a thread or to be used as falseflagged "evidence". Functioning moderation allows regulars to mass-report sus posts and have them gone, and IDs immediately reveal raids since you suddenly get a wave of (1)s obviously pushing for an opinion.

>>73615 I'm a developer, so I can always make things work out with some scripts, sure. But currently the archives are not automated, the only thing that is semi-automated is converting the round-up to the table in picrel (except the links, which I would manually add and format).

>>72462 Actually, the biggest threat to small threads on /vt/ was bumpschizo, who would regularly bump every single catalog bait thread on /vt/ from page 10 because he wanted to kill /hlgg/ and force his own OP, while never bumping generals. So he would cycle generals faster off the board while also keep bait alive and he would also make additional bait threads if bumps weren't enough. Now that global has been quarantined in its own space there's no longer that issue.

>>73892 fair, but that still just backs up my point that now threads are probably fine with a 310 bump limit

>>73584 the turk and the /asp/ one are the same i am pretty sure him being gone is a godsent and why i will probably stick around even if halfchan returns since he made threads just unusable

/NePoLaBo/ doko...

>>74083 Holotower

Is there a thread limit on the board? If so, it might not be a bad idea to lower it since there is about 30 threads at the bottom of the catalog that have hit or are close to post limit.

>>74170 that's the onsite archive anon

>>74170 max is 450 supposedly and I'm guess that's what we're set at highly recommend keeping your catalog in creation date sorting, we're not going through that many threads a day fullchanx or something might be working on easier catalog hiding (you can enter and hide the op, but that would take forever to do all of them)

>>74202 could the catalog be paginated? 50 or maybe more per page? or would that also leave it open to spammers?

just dont scroll down?

>>74220 wouldn't know, probably not and also wouldn't know what that'd have to do with spam

>>74234 I mean, it loads all OPs, could get heavy especially on toasters, though that's on me so not really bothered if it can't be done. >>74268 Damn. >wouldn't know what that'd have to do with spam Kinda because some shitposters liked to bump threads off the catalog in 4chan, and I would imagine pages would be similar enough for them to try to bump threads off the first page of the catalog.

>>74291 thats a separate issue. someone else suggested before that it shouldn't be loading all images in the thread when you open it, and the same makes sense for the catalog.

>>74301 >it shouldn't be loading all images in the thread when you open it Eh, it does? I thought it only loaded thumbnails.

>>74376 thats what i meant but i'm retarded

>>74537 (229) well, that's good news apparently you can merge threads over the post limit to... infinity and beyond? as much as poeople's browsers and ram can handle? that gives us another means of live archival at least, so I don't have any lasting opposition to a post limit change the current catalog is almost halfway full

>>73210 Maybe use a keyword and have anons CTRL F to the latest issue?

>>73516 can you pls keep deleting these kinda threads, we don't need those BVTM and parrotcuck farm threads all these twitter screenshot threads or >what did she mean by this >now that the dust has settled etc threads were a big part of why /vt/ became shit, no one wanted to even look at the catalogue anymore and bunkered down in their generals because it was just shit like this all the time and actual funposting just died

>>76054 It was worse than you think, because for those tourists, that WAS funposting. Since they usually came from bottom-of-the-barrel communities where irony was king.

I think reports are broken

>>73417 it >>73417 >>76190 i think you just answered it wrong

>>76054 I never paid much attention to the catalog, so for a lot of it as it currently is, personally I've just been watching and seeing how things develop some of the other vols are more strict on them, but I know what you're getting at because so many generals are much tighter with what they want moderated here, I'm inclined to argue that the catalog should be more free for to be more hostile and talk about things that would upset others so they can get it out of their system and not cause problems elsewhere, but obviously the other side of that coin is it become a breeding ground for problems

>>76239 it's hard to tell because its extremely unresponsive and will close before that comes up like 10 seconds later

>>76276 i do not mind there being hostility or negativity, there for sure are places for that, but these "now that the dust has settled" threads are not made for that they are only there so faggots can take screenshots and post them on twitter or make youtube videos and be all like "look at these crazy people on 4chan" for their 5 minutes of fame look at >>>/vyt/60094 or >>>/vt/65627 for example, OP right off started to samefag and once they noticed the ID were never seen in the thread again here is another example >>>/vyt/67445 OP made low effort thread and then never once engaged with it ever again, because OP never wanted any actual discussion, its just there to return to later and make screenshots from they are low effort threads to a point many are not just a single sentence but these sentences are even pre prepared and just copy-pasted >now that the dust has settled >what did she mean by this? >APOLOGIZE >do you forgive her? >nijinigger/holobrony/phasecuck deflection thread >>OH NONONONONO ____BROS? >say something mean/nice/rude about my wife/this bitch/etc >do you believe her? usually with some twitter screenshot, generic front facing vtuber image or whatever the quickest image they could google was

>>76514 thanks for the education

>>76514 i understand the general trend with threads baked this way but rather than shoot on site it's probably better to give them a chance to *maybe* spawn some sort of real conversation, as low as the odds of that are. if it devolves entirely into bait, dramafarming or whatever then you know how to report and we can clean it up

>>76656 this was actually me btw i just fucked up and forgot to log back in switching to se. point and laugh

>>76656 >if it devolves entirely into bait, dramafarming or whatever then you know how to report and we can clean it up and that is exactly what will not happen, if you let these kinda threads fester and overtake catalogue then everyone will just stay bunkered down in their generals and not look back everyone already knows what these threads look like so why should we click on these anymore? these are not new, we seen them for years at this point and what their content entails

>>76190 Captcha is broken today. Sometimes doesn't load at all or will give me a wrong answer response but still complete anyway.

>>76867 I think moe might have lost a host earlier causing some hiccups, se might be more reliable

<Happy Easter, anon~ 1. ID expiration/timed reset is now on the to-do list if possible <Codexx >Okay, I can look at a board setting to cycle IDs by time period >But it will take an addon so it might be a minute >my main focus short-term is teaching my new devs where stuff is >and getting some quick frontend fixes in >You can tell them it's on my to-do list 2. some anons have floated the idea of a post limit decrease to refresh ids and ops faster please suggest what post limit / thread lock limit you think would work best at this point bear in mind: >simply posting more will also do this >threads are slower than they used to be without all the unchecked spam and forced bumping >the catalog holds 450 threads, we're currently using almost half of it, and while it can be cleaned up, this will accelerate us to threads actually dying however, we can merge threads to make megathreads 2k+ posts long to keep them around longer and we can prune generals that would want to donate their archive space there's probably a limit to how much curation work we can be expected to do here, so the lower the limit, the more it's wanted, the more the work I'm not sure how important this is to most people, but I wanted solutions in case it came up and we can always adjust again later or find other means 3. some anons are still making their way over, some may be here but not up to date please check the updated dox rule and please know that so far moderation is mostly by request unless it's a global rule/dox >some generals prefer we let them completely self-police with the IDs outside of extreme circumstances >some are more unanimous in what they consider unwanted and prefer to keep a relatively clean space even if something's "allowed", it can still be threadshitting if someone's only doing it to shit the place up they're free to take it somewhere it belongs unless they're persistently malicious, then they're free to fuck all the way off

I saw that Gurashizo thread come up again and some other thread discussing how bad actors used to be involved in how /vt/ was run. In short, reporting threadshitters could get you a 3 day vacation and such. Quite a few communities are thankful how swiftly and effectively you deal with known schizos and that you seem to do your research about the communities on here. May I ask, how do you deal with the extremely mentally ill who confess that they buy burner prepaid SIM cards just to ban evade, who even attract tourists from other boards just to laugh at them, and how do you prevent bad actors from becoming vols and mods? >>76947 <Happy Easter to you, too!

>>76880 I was on se and still having problems

>>77017 >how do you deal with the extremely mentally ill who confess that they buy burner prepaid SIM cards just to ban evade whatever gets them to stop, there are various approaches, some that take more time and effort than others sometimes you might see more posts from them than you'd like to, sometimes that's intentional, filter them >how do you prevent bad actors from becoming vols and mods? not my job, though if I did notice anything really weird, I'd forward it up if you see things that are weird, ask about it here for an explanation and if you think we're bad actors, compile evidence and email it to codexx

>>77109 >sometimes that's intentional, filter them Alright, will do. >if you think we're bad actors I don't, but given past experiences, please understand that certain communities are VERY distrustful. You do a great job so far.

>>76947 I'd say 350/700 is ideal, with 375/750 a close second.

>>76947 Keep IDs and keep post limit where it is. 1000 seems to be a healthy amount for /pcg/ but I can't speak for other generals. If anything, I think raising the bump limit to somewhere around 750 would help to signal the oncoming need for a new thread.

>>77336 codexx has floated the idea of uncoupling the bump and post limits, though this is the first time I've seen an actual argument for doing it also by id expiration, we mean you get a new one after X hours without having to jump through hoops

>>76947 IMHO the turnover rates are too slow. Not because IDs but just cause we don't have the torrential post rates of halfchan /vt/ which causes zombie threads to linger well past their time. IMHO a bump limit of 500 and a post limit of 750 would probably be ideal in getting solid turnover. I'd also suggest lowering the file limit down to 10-15 to speed up loading times and make things more sustainable. Probably shorten the catalog too. We have a pretty good level of activity but it doesn't look as fast as it could because so much detritus is taking up the lower half. Idk. Things.

Funny that you cowardly reddit dorks moved here instead of any better imageboard. >>8620 (OP) >copypasting redditchan's 'rules' This board was made by one of the seething 4trannitors wasn't it.

>>77394 Anon... Your blood pressure.

>>77017 >In short, reporting threadshitters could get you a 3 day vacation and such. Spoiler: every board on 4chan was like this. The CP spammers on /pol/ and /biz/, the "no fun allowed" posters on /a/, the schizos on /tg/- all of them were protected by 4trannitors.

>>77392 I'd rather have a large catalog that keeps our threads alive for going back and yoinking things than "looking" fast just sort by creation date and don't scroll down

>>77367 It's my opinion that IDs should expire with the thread. I don't think there needs to be any modification to the current system as far as ID are concerned. But as only one anon it's with a grain of salt.

>>73434 mods=gods If it were up to me, I'd have any mention of male VTubers outside their containment generals deleted on sight.

>>77415 Seethe, you little redditor cuckold.

>>77439 Ah fair. My home thread archives things on their own already so it didn't cross my mind.

>>77336 /pcg/ is much faster than almost every other thread on the board, as you might have noticed. The changes are being considered are for the benefit of smaller threads that might go weeks before hitting post limit. Do you think that /pcg/ would be significantly worse if the post limit were lowered?

>>76947 >decrease to refresh ids and ops faster What's the point of this, especially with rotating IDs coming soon? Most OPs stay the same for months if not years. Do we really need to decrease the post limit so slower threads can change the OP pic more often? Feels like a change just because that's how things were on 4chan. If anything, once ID expiration is added the board should go back to 2000 post limit.

>>77548 Obviously, which is why I specified that from /pcg/'s perspective, leaving the post limit where it is would be okay. I don't think leaving it at 1000 would significantly worsen the quality of other threads.

>>77439 honestly i like this, its comfy not having to think about bumping and depending on how things go i am also curious to see what other threads could form in an environment thats slower and comfy

>>77591 don't know how soon "soon" will be I wouldn't mind 2k posts either, but that's a force op culture change (though it's probably not that much different from what's already occuring) >>77641 lowering the post limit probably wouldn't make bumping a thing again unless we had like 400 active generals which I can't imagine happening

>>77548 Lowering the post limit wouldn't have much impact on the thread, but it would of course result in more /pcg/s down at the bottom of the catalog, though I don't know how much of a concern that is. I'd say 800 would be a good number but I'm not sure if that change would affect smaller threads very much.

>>77548 I think the 1k post limit is beneficial for /pcg/, but it would still be completely fine with 500. So if the limit were to be lowered until expiring IDs are implemented, that shouldn't be an issue.

>>76947 Thank you for considering the ID cycling. I'd still rather not have them but it's much better than having 150 different posts all attributed to me in one thread. >Please suggest what post limit / thread lock limit you think would work best at this point honestly one of the least contentious issues for me. My home thread's original thread is still going and only like 2/3rd of the way through the 1k limit. Maybe it would be nice to be able to have a bit more relevant OPs to current happenings but it's not a big deal. I feel like if we wanted to we could just jump ship to a new thread after bump limit anyways, no one explicitly said you had to wait for post limit right? the 1k post limit seems like it accommodates the larger threads pretty well, personally the 2k ones just start taking a noticeable increase in time to load for me, and because the auto update seems to break semi regularly I tend to full refresh a lot. It's also easier to find reactions to things with smaller post limits. Like if you wake up and realize something happened and want to see the threads reaction, you don't have to scroll through as many posts to find it.

>>77826 good points >had to specifically wait technically, no, but it would spam the catalog if people do it regularly theoretically they could report the thread, ask for it to be locked and maybe merged into a megathread if the post limit was something like 5-600, you could smash 4-5 threads together to save them, which is over a month worth of posts for really small threads

>>76947 ID cycling would make the nonstop gay ops simply slower. I get why it's inconvenient for many, but the sheer amount and (often literal) religious determination by bad actors in this scene makes it generally worth it. People are REALLY determined to drive discourse into the dirt over hurt feelings sometimes for upward of 6 years. Giving them a free restart every couple hours isn't gonna let the system do its job. Again. I get why people don't like it, but it's utterly surreal just how fast a hate campaign can become an endemic plague. Please don't turn on the feature once it drops. It would give people who believe they're on a literal mission from God in character assassinating anime women the exactly wrong signals.

>>77890 >technically, no, but it would spam the catalog if people do it regularly yeah I just meant for the slow threads. Like it took us 5? days to get to bump limit, I don't think anyone would really be complaining if we made a new thread if we wanted to, but maybe I'm wrong. Still, don't think anyone plans to do that. >>77916 >a free restart anyone even slightly dedicated already has that, and a majority of those people are posting in threads where the thread has already moved on to the next one anyways. No one who believes they're "on a mission from God" is going to wait like 6 hours to just get immediately filtered again, and if they do you literally just filtered them again for the next 6 hours (if your thread even lasts that long). People willing to wait that out to shitpost again are a non issue as far as I'm concerned. The system is not in place to stop people like that, otherwise IDs would be persistent across threads and not be so easily spoofable by bad actors. it's just an idea to make it so that honest users don't have to abuse the system with VPNs to stay anonymous

>>76947 Please don't add ID expiration within the same thread. It defeats the purpose of IDs altogether.

>>77916 If /pcg/ is anything to go by, IDs that last for 6-8 hours are already very effective.

>>78098 I don't know what this image is supposed to be proving. That guy made a bunch of posts all within like 15 minutes of each other. Absolutely nothing about this would change at all. And you would immediately recognize when he swaps IDs anyways because you would see a (1) going >haha yeah so true OP I hate that bitch! I don't understand what your point is.

honestly i feel like if the bump limit is at 300 for example but the post limit might even be 1500 then this is a good mix where fast threads do not need to bake again all that often while small threads should still circle fast enough to not make expiring IDs a necessity

>>78098 >Posts an image where all of the samefagging happened in just over 10 minutes

>>77619 >I don't think leaving it at 1000 would significantly worsen the quality of other threads. as someone from smaller threads a smaller limit would greatly benefit them >>78098 >all in 10 minutes the rotating IDs wouldn't have changed that

>>78186 the problem is we're not at the end of the catalog yet and we don't have real archives, so while I do think there's a bit of cleverness there, you're asking anons to deal only with archive.today

>>78356 and it'd probably require shortening the catalog to even make threads fall off in a timely manner I don't think that's a goal most people really want, they just think the big cata is weird, which is fair

>>66915 agreed, tying posts to who posted them is antithetical to anonymity and makes it feel like reddit lite. i want to engage with the post not the poster. vols and mods can take care of the schizos.

>>78415 have you tried hiding them for yourself and seeing if it changes how you feel?

Does anyone know where the 4chan admins/staff put updates on the site?

>>78548 The IRC.

>>76514 >>76276 Here's an idea: screenshot thread OPs should be held to a higher standard to encourage healthy discussion. Basic screenshot threads starting with a common vague catch phrase, multiple screenshot threads that barely offer their own take, catalog flooding, or engaging in "drama farming" will either be removed, or merged with a relevant non-general thread for discussion. >>76947 Thank you for putting ID expiration into consideration. Ideally, it can work as a middle of the road solution that can reap the benefits of both systems while minimizing drawbacks. Having this system in place may also help other boards that are sitting on the fence about IDs. For post limits, I'm used to 4chan's limit of 1500 posts with 300 bumps and I think it's fine that way. 300 bumps is usually enough to cover most catalog discussions and the 1500 post limit is enough to keep a thread lengthy while also navigable. I'm generally fine with changes either way as long as they aren't past half or double these values >>78098 On a related note, are OPs allowed to bump their threads? If OPs replying to their own post was autosaged on an IP basis, then that can also help deter samefagging. Bumps by an OP for a legitimate purpose usually aren't that common, especially outside of generals, but they are abused by dramafags because their goal is to farm engagement or send a message and they do that by competing for a place on the first few pages where the most people will see them.

>>78561 It says i have to make an account. Do i really have to do that? I just wanna read any updates on the site rewrite. Im not gonna talk to them or anything

>>78431 i've thought about that, it would fix how i feel about other posters but it would still make me apprehensive about funposting (not schizoposting or being malicious, mind you) since it's tied to my serious posts. IDs are just a pseudonym, or a thread specific account if you will. consider that regulars of a thread will quickly be identified by their posts and since their identity is tied to an ID, it is effectively the same thing as namefagging. this makes it far more likely to build cliques around posters instead of just content. i'm just worried about the chilling effect on funposting and thread/board culture. i don't know what IDs actually solve (what the point of them is), since schizos and spammers will just change their IPs or buy more SIM cards and can keep trolling anyway. if IDs won't be disabled then i guess a periodic changing is the next best thing for long threads, but i still don't see the point.

>>78612 (me) oh and i think it will also encourage groupthink / discourages sharing dissenting opinions for the same reason, since people will just go "oh look it's faggot >>X, fuck off retard" if they don't like an opinion. like redditors and their gay looking at post history instead of engaging with the post itself faggotry.

>>78612 I just grab my phone and make really egregious posts while pissin tbh

>>78612 >the chilling effect on funposting You mean how if I post about my oshi, I then am compelled to not be a threadshitter because then otherwise people will say my oshi's fans are threadshitters and then try to expel them like jews from the holy land?

>>76947 <happy Easter :3 >1 based >2 yeah a lower bump limit would help some threads, im thinking something around 300-350. as for the archiving issue: while i also care about having an archive, i think it's a little more important to foster a better posting environment as a meaningful archive won't exist without one

>id cycling i was initially in favor, now less so, but its fine as a compromise. i just don't see there being many people that are specifically anxious about having 50-150 posts, they'll either hate having an id all together or not care. >bump/post limit i asked in my bread (slow to medium) and baker answered he likes not having to bake once or twice every day. changing op's is fun but overall we'd probably prefer the total post per bread is higher than it was on halfchan. >archiving i'm not sure about the stance of my bread on this, but most of it is just chit chat and there might be a possibility we would volunteer for being deleted or merged or whatever for archive space. dunno.

>>78933 >bump limit why? bump limit doesn't do much with our bake rate? > i think it's a little more important to foster a better posting environment as a meaningful archive won't exist without one that's a really good point

>>79006 >why? bump limit doesn't do much with our bake rate? the bump limit is tied to the post limit from what i saw, so a 300 bump limit makes the post limit 600 if im not mistaken

>>78980 well actually one of the reasons IDs were suggested was because of longer lasting threads, so implementing both that and shorter threads makes less sense.

>>79019 that is true currently, yeah, was just confusing to put it that way

>>79058 i guess im more used tom bump limits being the issue for thread life than post limits, my bad

>>79131 I've typed bump limit every time I've meant to type post limit for the past couple days, I feel the pain

>>78612 >>78890 >Post about how much you like a vtuber >Then make 1 shitty joke >Some anons NOOTICE and have a laugh about it >Le funni maymay guy puts it in his wild wacky /vt/ greentexts video >Retards hear about it >Next several months every time someone from that fanbase wants to talk about that vtuber some smartass goes "HURR DURR ALL OF X FANBASE ARE Y" because they are middleschoolers with the creativity of a tape recorder

I think cycling IDs can work fine if they don't cycle too often. I also think waiting and gathering some data on how long threads last on average with new post limits before implementing such a thing would be prudent.

>>79248 this already happened on /vt/ all the time

>>79297 It was EASIER on vt because of falseflagging.

>>66843 >as it is now IDs are a fucking blessing, only shitposters and catalog shitstirrers want them gone or changed Just reposting this for no discernible reason.

>>77336 >>77548 >>77619 >>77717 >>77803 I'm still on the opinion that /pcg/, related generals and their catalog trash should just move to >>>/pcg/ the same way holos and nijis don't use /vyt/ for the most part. They can then speed along however they wish, enable flags if they want to call each other ethnic slurs etc.

>>80088 >/pcg/ pushed to their own board literally why? /vyt/ is fine with /pcg/ here

>>80088 nigger

>>80088 Awful opinion

>>80088 I have the opposite opinion. I'd rather that Nijis and Holos come to /vyt/ and we all stay here together and hold hands. It isn't like /pcg/ is killing semi-active threads.I don't see why they should have to leave. Is there a way to implement special rules for /pcg/ threads so that they don't clog up the catalog? Where old ones at 1000 posts are pruned after X amount of time, or something?

>>80224 I still remember phase beggars shitting up every other general on 4/vt/. Begging for collabs, begging for chuubas to join, begging to be "friends" until one told them they weren't interested, then they'd always schizo out and become attack dogs.

>>80265 almost like there were concerted shitpost falseflags or something, possibly by (((your favorite boogeyman))) >>80263 yeah, read the last posts up to the happy easter posting

>>80265 >phase beggars >implying it wasn't the usual falseflaggers Let me guess you're from /pkg/?

>>80308 >>80292 >there were concerted shitpost falseflags Were they? It wasn't limited to halfchan either, clip channel comment sections, twitter replies, even discord servers were full of this shit, so much so Shondo had to post picrel when Justice was debuting. Don't even get me started on all the shit the likes of Lisa and Sayu have gotten.

>>80323 the halfchan ones seem like they might have been phase has a huge reach outside of imageboards

>>80383 mostly because most phasefags come from kiwifarms and the like

>>80323 Hey, I've seen this image before. Dozens of times. Frequently in raids on /pcg/ as well as spammed in every catalog thread about us. He is indeed a frequent /pkg/ poster, and pretty much every other negative epithet you could say about a /vt/ poster. He's an unironic schizo anti who threadshits regularly... https://warosu.org/vt/?task=search2&search_filename=+1718744746136 He is, in his own words, >literally the biggest ph*se hater on this board.

>>80442 You are severely mentally ill.

>>80442 I mean, they just don't, but pop off

>>80442 That too, phasekeks are way too comfortable with doxxing, as well as turning vtubing into yet another political battleground.

>>80476 /pcg/ got raided near daily by doxxers (mostly ruffians and holofags), but obviously you are the victim and it was all phasefags doing it to you and they love their doxes. Totally anon, totally.

>>80563 Ruffians weren't the ones "joking" about "that Asuka cosplayer" either, it was pink pippa.

>>80456 Not only the same hash but same filename. What a retard.

>>80592 Yeah, they're just brown schizos with the collective iq of 70 who constantly doxpost but piss themselves if you bring up their onii-chan

>>80612 Thanks for reminding me of one more thing that annoys me about you fags, which is evading user filters on purpose by changing image MD5 or wrïŧẗňg wörđš lïkë ŧħïs, for then your pet janny to remove "intentionally evading spam and post filters" on halfchan from the report options.

>>80088 >on the opinion >on

>>80088 For what purpose? None of the small corpo groups have really an issue with /pcg/ and /pcgia/, just go take a fucking look at /ZORDS/ It's always Niji/Holo only people that cry about Phase

>>80683 I just can't wait for fullchanX to be finished, then all your avatarfaggotry will get filtered along with the word phase like back on halfchan.

>>80740 If you had us filtered, why were you posting in the catalog about us as recently as a week ago? https://warosu.org/vt/thread/99116862#p99152444

>>80740 >filtering phase/phase imagery no you're not, you know you won't because you like having an opponent in your mind to fight against, /pkg/anon Is that why you were seething so hard about flags, that you'd be easily outed by that?

>>80772 That wasn't me. Did you seriously delude yourself into thinking that only one person on the entire globe can't stand your corpo? >>80785 >outed If you mean stripped of my anonymity, then mass flagged off social media and maybe even hard doxxed, then sure.

this is /meta/, not /phasemeta/ contain yourselves please bake a catalog bait or something

>>80592 >this fucking retardation again We've already been thru this multiple times on halfchan, brownoid. There were never any mention of any specifics or connection between IRL, PL or current persona, or iow, not even a violation of the rules /here/. Most normal (and sane) people reading that would consider it a throwaway remark and the more dedicated one would, at best, find the video and don't bother any further. The fact that you fags keep chimping out over it have done more to signal people to make the connection, and thus ousted you, doxfag.

I like the idea of adding flags.

37ae8a never learns, and here he comes to cause chaos in 8chan. It's all so tiresome.

>>80909 It's really something just seeing his posts slowly turn from relatively normal stuff to schizo seething about phase.

>>80952 Maybe if your community took responsibility for its bad apples instead of enabling and amplifying them, people wouldn't hate your corpo as much.

This thread itself is now my argument against resetting IDs

so yes, I maintain my position from my previous posts itt: have flags, but not just country flags, but also regional/subregional (multinational) flags, and meme flags, and give users the ability to toggle between the 3 as well as the ability to filter by flag. That's would be a good compromise for both sides of the flag argument and add yet another layer of defense against schizos and threadshitters, raising the barrier to entry, as well as acting as redundancy should IDs fail and/or jannies/mods become more like 4jannies

>>80971 past suggestions have been like a 4-6 hour timeframe, which has nothing to do with their antics, just give usual posters a new id the next day

>>80986 I don't care if people assume me to be SEA because I'm using a meme flag, I don't want fags especially phasefags to see my real flag and find out who I am based on who I watch and where I'm from. Sure, I could avoid it by using TOR, but if I remember correctly I can't post files that way.

>>81088 >Sure, I could avoid it by using TOR, but if I remember correctly I can't post files that way. works for me

>>66526 >senzawa's been fine forever Thank God. Fuck holo ivory reddittower.

>>66748 >250 No. Fuck off. 500 is fine.

>>81017 A thread like this has single conversations which last over multiple days making it still relevant to see which people are trying to force their gay opinions the most. I know this isn't a typical thread for this board but it just made me think about the difference. Making them per thread makes perfect sense except under the concept that threads are not really threads at all but more like their own boards where everybody yells over each other. Slow long running generals need the most protection from samefagging dipshits anyways.

>>81111 nice digits and good to know

I posted a list of banners over at >>81187 (2) Going forward, please use the banner thread for new banners so it's all contained. I think there were some banners posted here that got cycled off during the first couple days. If that was your post, please repost them over in the banners thread and I will be sure they get added.

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>>81377 What the fuck happened here?

FYI, /tubero/ is in >>>/pinoy/, which is under new management who is aware of vtubers. That is all.

>>81443 Why not bake here? What's the point?

>>81457 /vt/ is Spanish, /vyt/ is English and /pinoy/ will probably be Tagalog

>>81480 I'm still pissed that they stole /vt/ from us. /vyt/ doesn't roll off the tongue very well.

>>81483 >they stole /vt/ no they didn't retard

>>81489 Explain

>>81418 Some thread got reported and deleted. Probably a shitpost thread. Without further context there's not much else to think about it.

>>81493 the fullchan /vt/ board has been around for a long time, way before we came here

>>81493 iirc, /vyt/ was the original thread on 4/jp/. Both /vt/ and /vyt/ have existed way before the 4/vt/ mass exodus

>>81505 > /vyt/ was the original thread on 4/jp Okay. That makes sense. Guess I'm gonna have to get used to saying vee-why-tee instead of vee-tee.